emirates202 From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 237 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9376 times:
I read in an article that EK is just once daily out of IAH due to Dallas. I didn't believe it at first, but it is true. It shows on the EK website only 1 daily flight IAH-DXB. Do you think it was a good idea? I thought they were doing well out of IAH. The only flight now is the evening one, not the morning one. Any ideas if they're gonna bring it back? Maybe with a A380?
yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5172 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9301 times:
Yes the second flight was moved to DFW. Personally I think the market was not able to absorb that much capacity that quickly especially with the strength of star (LH) providing Indian connections to the loyal CO market in IAH and the arrival of QR.
I have no doubt that EK will bring back the second daily....but they have to give the market some to grow a bit more.
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1279 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9219 times:
Actually I think it was a good decission... Dallas is a huge city and to attract really high yield pax EK has to flight directly to there and one daily to Houston should be ok, maybe in a short future we could see like 10xIAH and 10xDFW... however maybe the cost of the crew layover is too much, and they decide to go for a second daily to any of the cities.
yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5172 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9118 times:
The second flt did ok but on an ULH like IAH-DXB it was trashing the yields. you should see the remaining flight back to 95% LFs. IAH really needs an 773 but it can make it without a penalty.
Someone mentioned the 380....at IAH card is huge...if you see a 380 then I would expect to see some kind of sky cargo service to supplement.
EK also noticed that a lot of their IAH pax were connecting from DFW, so I guess their figured to get the best of both worlds by moving the second flight up the road.
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wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5534 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9049 times:
Perhaps the competition from Qatar Airways might have something do with EK's flight reduction also?
whiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 682 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8932 times:
Quoting emirates202 (Thread starter): I read in an article that EK is just once daily out of IAH due to Dallas. I didn't believe it at first, but it is true. It shows on the EK website only 1 daily flight IAH-DXB. Do you think it was a good idea? I thought they were doing well out of IAH. The only flight now is the evening one, not the morning one. Any ideas if they're gonna bring it back? Maybe with a A380?
Don't think the 380 can do IAH non stop without weight restrictions.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15734 posts, RR: 48 Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 8091 times:
The 2nd flight was added and the load factor pretty much halved. QR didn't help either. The second flight basically doubled seats without many incremental passengers.
KU747 From Kuwait, joined Mar 2008, 368 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6419 times:
Quoting klwright69 (Reply 8): I had a friend who took the EK DXB-IAH nonstop. She took it when there were two daily flights. She said one direction the flight was totally empty.
I was on EK to IAH last Oct. and it was empty as well.
Quoting klwright69 (Reply 8): I thought 2 flights in the market was complete overkill on EK's part since QR is already there.
I agree.
One of EK employees told me that the reason for the second flight to IAH is to book a slot to the US, in other words, this flight was planned to have the DFW route!!! This doesn't make sense to me.
Why should EK operate a second flight to IAH with a possible loss for months and months just to book a slot to secure DFW route !!!
DariusBieber From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 128 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4534 times:
ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4009 posts, RR: 23 Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4312 times:
Quoting DariusBieber (Reply 10): A common misconception. In fact, San Antonio is a bigger city than Dallas. The metropolitan area with Fort Worth is what makes DFW a major hub.
Most don't take in account individual city size. Yeah Dallas itself is around 1.2M whereas San Antonio is around 1.3M...but the D/FW metro area is at almost 6.4M compared to San Antonio at 2.1M. When most people say "Dallas" they typically mean the entire area, like in most cases when referring to an area - go with the biggest city. Not many are going to break it down to include Plano, Arlington, Irving, and such unless they are go to the area quite often or are local.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5534 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4226 times:
Quoting KU747 (Reply 9): Why should EK operate a second flight to IAH with a possible loss for months and months just to book a slot to secure DFW route !!!
EK has plenty of money to support one temporarily, money-losing flight if they know they have something coming. Could be a clout thing too.
hohd From United States of America, joined May 2008, 266 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3551 times:
I agree. I came on the second flight a few months from DXB to IAH, it was nearly empty, I had all 4 seats for myself in the back of the plane. Needless to mention, it was one of the best flights I had even taken on a long haul flight. And yes, I saw many passengers connecting to DFW area, primarily to cities other than DEL and BOM.
However DFW probably cannot sustain any more than a daily flight, even in the distant future. And, for now it is going to once daily to IAH also, for a long time. Price wise, EK is generally not the cheapest especially to cities other than DEL or BOM, but for tickets at the last minute (within 3 days of the flight), EK or QR are generally the least expensive.
migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1279 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3117 times:
Singapore airlines is also reducing the SIN-DME-IAH.... so maybe now with QR and EK Houston is a bit saturated... and EK make a very clever move moving from a second daily IAH to a new destination serving a huge market like Dallas Area...
I´m sure part of the cargo they had in IAH they can also get that in DFW because is not that far away and DFW is a huge hub for AA as well..
San Antonio is larger than Dallas the same way Jacksonville is larger than Miami or that Louisville is larger than Atlanta. The city propers have more people but also encompass much larger land areas. The city of San Antonio has 25% more land to work with. That's why city proper stats are useless. Even with out Fort Worth and it's burbs, the Dallas area is around 4.5 million which is roughly twice as large as the San Antonio area.
But I digress on that. As for the topic, this made total sense for EK. I was told that yields went in the crapper after the addition of the second flight and that they saw a huge number of passengers connecting from DFW (particularly to BOM, HYD, and BLR). Given the growing ties between India and DFW coupled with the fact that DFW has the fastest growing Indian community in the US per capita (having passed Houston and Atlanta in the last decade) and the fact that AA canned ORD-DEL ( which was popular here) this flight is poised for success.
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jr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 958 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2913 times:
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15):
San Antonio is larger than Dallas the same way Jacksonville is larger than Miami or that Louisville is larger than Atlanta. The city propers have more people but also encompass much larger land areas. The city of San Antonio has 25% more land to work with. That's why city proper stats are useless. Even with out Fort Worth and it's burbs, the Dallas area is around 4.5 million which is roughly twice as large as the San Antonio area.
Well said. Don't know why this item keeps coming back. Gets tiring to hear this same thing again and again off actual context. San Antonio will never get a DFW sized airport period.
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15): Given the growing ties between India and DFW coupled with the fact that DFW has the fastest growing Indian community in the US per capita (having passed Houston and Atlanta in the last decade) and the fact that AA canned ORD-DEL ( which was popular here) this flight is poised for success.
I can't help but think this route will succeed. I already know 2 people from the Dallas area that have flown the DFW non stop and a couple more that have bookings in the immediate future. Makes me wonder if KLM will really come back. People in general are excited about EK... KLM never had that wow factor that EK jsut seems to illicit for some reason... inspite of 10 abreast in coach.
ojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2787 posts, RR: 23 Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2787 times:
Also one must not forget the significant population of Pakistani origin who reside in DFW. For whom EK is a one stop option to KHI which no other airline provides.
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LAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5085 posts, RR: 48 Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2595 times:
Quoting ojas (Reply 17): Also one must not forget the significant population of Pakistani origin who reside in DFW. For whom EK is a one stop option to KHI which no other airline provides.
Add to that Indian American population of over 100,000 in Dallas area(MSA). My rule of thumb suggests demand for over 100,000 seats on DFW-India routes. EK is well positioned to garner a large chunk of this demand with its extensive network to India via Dubai.
AA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1113 posts, RR: 7 Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2548 times:
Quoting DariusBieber (Reply 10): A common misconception. In fact, San Antonio is a bigger city than Dallas. The metropolitan area with Fort Worth is what makes DFW a major hub.
Not this again...
Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 11): Most don't take in account individual city size. Yeah Dallas itself is around 1.2M whereas San Antonio is around 1.3M...but the D/FW metro area is at almost 6.4M compared to San Antonio at 2.1M. When most people say "Dallas" they typically mean the entire area, like in most cases when referring to an area - go with the biggest city. Not many are going to break it down to include Plano, Arlington, Irving, and such unless they are go to the area quite often or are local.
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 15): Most don't take in account individual city size. Yeah Dallas itself is around 1.2M whereas San Antonio is around 1.3M...but the D/FW metro area is at almost 6.4M compared to San Antonio at 2.1M. When most people say "Dallas" they typically mean the entire area, like in most cases when referring to an area - go with the biggest city. Not many are going to break it down to include Plano, Arlington, Irving, and such unless they are go to the area quite often or are local.
Quoting jr (Reply 16): Most don't take in account individual city size. Yeah Dallas itself is around 1.2M whereas San Antonio is around 1.3M...but the D/FW metro area is at almost 6.4M compared to San Antonio at 2.1M. When most people say "Dallas" they typically mean the entire area, like in most cases when referring to an area - go with the biggest city. Not many are going to break it down to include Plano, Arlington, Irving, and such unless they are go to the area quite often or are local.
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 18): Most don't take in account individual city size. Yeah Dallas itself is around 1.2M whereas San Antonio is around 1.3M...but the D/FW metro area is at almost 6.4M compared to San Antonio at 2.1M. When most people say "Dallas" they typically mean the entire area, like in most cases when referring to an area - go with the biggest city. Not many are going to break it down to include Plano, Arlington, Irving, and such unless they are go to the area quite often or are local.
As all these guys well stated, you gotta check out the MSA numbers, not to mention the business connections that make this route a slam dunk.
ojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2787 posts, RR: 23 Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2485 times:
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 18): Add to that Indian American population of over 100,000 in Dallas area(MSA). My rule of thumb suggests demand for over 100,000 seats on DFW-India routes. EK is well positioned to garner a large chunk of this demand with its extensive network to India via Dubai.
Yes of course, it's not and add on but the first thing that is taken care of ... that is connections to India. Although this flight will connect well in both directions to BOM, DEL, MAA, HYD, CCJ; connects only in one direction to DAC, CCU and does not connect to COK, TRV, AMD, BLR, ISB, LHE, PEW, DAC.
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IrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1731 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2480 times:
The futile San Antonio vs. Dallas arguments is getting painful to read at this point. It needs to be dropped.
Quoting jr (Reply 16): KLM never had that wow factor that EK jsut seems to illicit for some reason... inspite of 10 abreast in coach.
Funny how true this is. My guess would be that EK is a newer airline, and only flies to four other US destinations aside from DFW, whereas KLM has flown to many points in the western hemisphere over a longer period of time. Plus, it is DFW's first nonstop link with the Middle East, which is unprecedented compared to Europe.
yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5172 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2452 times:
EK also does a helluva job getting the word out to the target markets in the respective cities. It is something most carriers should try to emulate.
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aznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3542 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2272 times:
Quoting migair54 (Reply 14): Singapore airlines is also reducing the SIN-DME-IAH
I just recently took SQ on SIN-DME-IAH and I did not see anyone continuing on to the Indian Subcontinent. J was definitely full both ways. In Y, the majority of the passengers were Vietnamese with just a handful of Russian passengers going to either Houston or Singapore.
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thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3723 posts, RR: 25 Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2265 times:
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 21): The futile San Antonio vs. Dallas arguments is getting painful to read at this point. It needs to be dropped.
Agreed, these Texas, pissing matches get really old after a while, especially when they sway the conversation away from the original subject.
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25 Pbb152: That flight does not target the Indian subcontinent at all. I would not expect you to see any pax going there.
26 blink182: Especially by advertising on anything they can get their hands on. Frankly, I'm shocked they haven't bought the naming rights to any stadiums in the
27 tayser: The City of Melbourne is under 100,000 yet the metro is over 4.1 million. The City of Sydney is under 200,000 and the metro is over 4.6 million. Of c
28 gdg9: What's the difference in seating between the EK 777-200LR and 777-300? A -300 came to DFW the other day as an equipment sub. I'm wondering if the rout
29 migair54: B77L---8-42-236---- total...286 B77W--12-42-304--total...358 (assuiming B77W 3-class config) I don´t thing they will keep the B77W for now... I woul
30 SurfandSnow: Yes, when the new DFW service was announced it was publicly stated that one of the daily IAH flights was getting cut so as to fund aircraft for the r
31 hohd: EK does have some competition at DFW. BA flies to many destinations that EK does and LH flies 6 times a week (near daily serive). But AA would probabl
32 lightsaber: That is, IMHO, the root cause of why EK was willing to pull an aircraft from IAH to service DFW. Lightsaber
34 MaverickM11: They're going to want to keep every last passenger on oneworld possible; I assume they'll close off as much interline traffic to EK as possible.
35 sq_ek_freak: EK's marketing machine is a force to be reckoned with. Wholeheartedly agree. Equipment sub. Most likely the 77W would also take a penalty versus the
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