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Qatar Airways Network Changes S12  
User currently offlineojas From United Arab Emirates, joined Mar 2008, 3080 posts, RR: 25
Posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10075 times:

According to the GDS, Qatar Airways has made the following changes to their network from S12.

New Destinations:

1) KGL: From 21MAR the existing DOH - EBB route will be extended to KGL using a A320. It will have rights between EBB and KGL.

2)ZAG: From 09MAY the existing DOH - BUD flights will extend to ZAG using an A320

3) PER: From 03JUL DOH - PER will be started using a B777-200LR. The route will go daily in W12.


Schedules for HEL, ELQ, MBA, ZNZ, BEG, LED, KBP to be announced.

Existing Routes:

1) DOH - TIP resumes via HBE 3 times a week

2) DOH - MAN reduces from 14 weekly to 10 weekly, will return to 14 weekly in W12

3) DOH - CEB route suspended from S12 which was a 3 weekly operation

4) DOH - ALG increases from daily to 11 weekly A330

5) DOH - CGK increases from daily to 10 weekly using A330

6) DOH - STR will now be operated via ZRH. 3 of the existing flights to ZRH will continue to STR

7) DOH - YUL increases from 3 weekly B77L to 3 weekly B77W

8) DOH - MXP increases from 11 weekly to 14 weekly from 01MAY

9) DOH - LHR will have a 5th daily flight using a B77L.

10) DOH - CAI increases from 9 weekly to 12 weekly from S12

11) DOH - KUL increases from 14 weekly to 16 weekly from S12

12) DOH - BCN will increase to 11 weekly from W12

13) DOH - MAD will increase to 10 weekly from W12

14) DOH - ICN will switch from daily A332 to daily B77L from 01AUG


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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9966 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
12) DOH - BCN will increase to 11 weekly from W12

13) DOH - MAD will increase to 10 weekly from W12

With EK increasing MAD to double daily, QR should seriously consider that.

To note that QR will recieve 5 787 this year, most probably used on the UK routes, it will free up some needed A330s for new destinations. Can the 787 make it DOH-SFO, or DOH-LAX nonstop?

Thanks Ojas as usual.



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User currently offlineojas From United Arab Emirates, joined Mar 2008, 3080 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9856 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
With EK increasing MAD to double daily, QR should seriously consider that.

To note that QR will recieve 5 787 this year, most probably used on the UK routes, it will free up some needed A330s for new destinations. Can the 787 make it DOH-SFO, or DOH-LAX nonstop?

QR is going at an extremely fast rate, they need to reach the target of 120 destinations with 120 planes which they have been publicising all these years.

I'm really keen to know whether AAB will actually keep his word and start 3 new points in India!



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4561 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9838 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 2):
QR is going at an extremely fast rate

In its quest to mimick EK, QR is spreading itself too thin. The airline's main focus seems to be on network expansion, whereas more attention to frequency and schedule symmetry in order to offer better and more consistent connectivity is really what is needed to be able to attract more premium traffic. Of course, improved connectivity at DOH is unlikely to gain as much attention from the press as yet another 10 new destinations.


User currently offlineojas From United Arab Emirates, joined Mar 2008, 3080 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9728 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
Of course, improved connectivity at DOH is unlikely to gain as much attention from the press as yet another 10 new destinations.

Absolutely and they do know that their network can never be as dense as EK which is why increasing the number of points in the network will give them that satisfaction. But as you rightly point out, schedule integrity is something that QR gives a toss.



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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 3177 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9618 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
12) DOH - BCN will increase to 11 weekly from W12

13) DOH - MAD will increase to 10 weekly from W12

With EK increasing MAD to double daily, QR should seriously consider that.

Plus EK is starting BCN too with 7 weekly 77Ws. It all seems slightly too much.



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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9041 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
6) DOH - STR will now be operated via ZRH. 3 of the existing flights to ZRH will continue to STR
Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
3) DOH - CEB route suspended from S12 which was a 3 weekly operation
Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
14) DOH - ICN will switch from daily A332 to daily B77L from 01AUG

I think with all these changes, one could perhaps emphasize what AAB has been saying all along regarding the delays of the Boeing 787's. I think it shows how QR is trying to spread itself thin announcing all these new destinations, while trying prioritize new routes.

I think however, that most new routes in recent years, have been A320's and have been operated with a stopover. A320s keep on coming like hotcakes thus opening new destinations. The area which QR lacks completely is Australia, with only 1 destination served-- in addition to the West Coast of both the USA and Africa.



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User currently onlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 2414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8996 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
12) DOH - BCN will increase to 11 weekly from W12

13) DOH - MAD will increase to 10 weekly from W12

yes, amazing... MAD will be 24xweek B777 and BCN 17xweek A332 and B77W

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
In its quest to mimick EK, QR is spreading itself too thin. The airline's main focus seems to be on network expansion, whereas more attention to frequency and schedule symmetry in order to offer better and more consistent connectivity is really what is needed to be able to attract more premium traffic. Of course, improved connectivity at DOH is unlikely to gain as much attention from the press as yet another 10 new destinations.

Exactly... but it seems that they want publicity only opening new routes, but they really need to work out the schedules and freqs...

Even turkish is doing something similar.... opening so many new routes....

Can they really manage to organize, and get profit all of this new schedules with tag ons and layovers... ????


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1088 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8986 times:

The rumour mill is strong regarding a new DOH-GIG-SCL service by QR. Any news on that? EK seems to be satisfied with the early performance of their new DXB-GIG-EZE flight.


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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 3177 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8864 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 7):
yes, amazing... MAD will be 24xweek B777 and BCN 17xweek A332 and B77W

BCN will actually be 18/week.



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User currently offlineSepulTALLICA From Niger, joined Sep 2009, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8837 times:

QatarA340 guy, i have been hearing rumours from some folks in the travel industry in Zimbabwe that QR have been considering starting HRE at some stage in the future. Do you have any info on that mane?

Thanks in advance.



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User currently onlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 2414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8783 times:

Quoting SepulTALLICA (Reply 10):
QatarA340 guy, i have been hearing rumours from some folks in the travel industry in Zimbabwe that QR have been considering starting HRE at some stage in the future. Do you have any info on that mane?

Thanks in advance.

the only problems i see for that is that EK just start flying there via LUN and that to operate that route they will need an A330 because taking off from HRE with an A319 and so much fuel they will be very restricted.

What about operating via NBO?? currently QR does, DOH-NBO-DAR but loads are very low because they direct flights they also offer to both destinations, why not re route DOH-NBO-HRE??


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6114 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8731 times:
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I was hoping we would see more of Qatar Airways in the US.

User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5145 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8731 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
In its quest to mimick EK, QR is spreading itself too thin. The airline's main focus seems to be on network expansion, whereas more attention to frequency and schedule symmetry in order to offer better and more consistent connectivity is really what is needed to be able to attract more premium traffic. Of course, improved connectivity at DOH is unlikely to gain as much attention from the press as yet another 10 new destinations.
Quoting migair54 (Reply 7):
Can they really manage to organize, and get profit all of this new schedules with tag ons and layovers... ????

= Absolutely. Remember, QR is NOT run as an organization that needs to make a profit - it is just an arm of Qatari foreign policy. Sort of like Al Jazeera TV proselytizing democracy without a look at its backyard. QR's yield and RASM numbers are below what some LCC's around the world get.

Saludos,
A.



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2274 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8645 times:

When is BEG starting, they announced that just after the ZAG flights?


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User currently offlinesoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8573 times:

Still waiting DOH-ACC to break the ek monopoly to asia


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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6303 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8562 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):

LAX/SFO are both well in range for the 787. I took would like to see Qatar expand into California, specially SFO.



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User currently offlineflyboy_se From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 867 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8433 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Schedules for HEL, ELQ, MBA, ZNZ, BEG, LED, KBP to be announced.

When was BEG,LED and KBP announced?? i have completely missed that



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User currently offlineSepulTALLICA From Niger, joined Sep 2009, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7711 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 11):
the only problems i see for that is that EK just start flying there via LUN and that to operate that route they will need an A330 because taking off from HRE with an A319 and so much fuel they will be very restricted.

What about operating via NBO?? currently QR does, DOH-NBO-DAR but loads are very low because they direct flights they also offer to both destinations, why not re route DOH-NBO-HRE??

I'm sure its a possibility man. From what some pals at EK have told me, EK's intention is to eventually graduate DXB-HRE and DXB-LUN to their own individual flights, should loads pick up as they are expected to come December time. If this should happen, i don't see why QR should have any problem operating flights to HRE using something bigger than a 319 (excuse my armchair executive thought process here).

Back to the original topic: the reason i ask is that many people i know of who travel to Europe use QR because, despite having to go HRE-JNB-DOH-LHR for example, they (QR) are far better quality and relatively cheaper than even ET for example. I know many Italian diplomats who use QR instead of ET to go from HRE to FCO for thsi very reason.

Anyway, if anyone knows anything about this potential routing, i'd appreciate your thoughts.



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User currently offlineojas From United Arab Emirates, joined Mar 2008, 3080 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7318 times:

HRE, ACC and FIH are three destinations which are eventually going to be on QR's map as soon as 2013 start.

I expect HRE to be a tag on destination using an A320.



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User currently offlineSepulTALLICA From Niger, joined Sep 2009, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7144 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 19):
HRE, ACC and FIH are three destinations which are eventually going to be on QR's map as soon as 2013 start.

I expect HRE to be a tag on destination using an A320.

Well very interesting news there mayne - thanks for your help!



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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4304 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7091 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 5):
Plus EK is starting BCN too with 7 weekly 77Ws. It all seems slightly too much.

You'd be surprised - we thought that in Dublin too. EY started off with 4 flights a week, then it was daily, then 11 times a week, then EK came in with an A330, and just three weeks after they started flights, it's now going 777-300 on foot of one of their most succesful launches ever.

The MEB3 just seem to have tapped into pent up demand by taking out one of the stops en-route to SE Asia and Oz. They've just made it easier, and cracked open the pent open the pent up demand.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4561 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6034 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 14):
When is BEG starting, they announced that just after the ZAG flights?
Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Schedules for HEL, ELQ, MBA, ZNZ, BEG, LED, KBP to be announced.

QR462/463 DOH ESB DOH is currently scheduled with a ground time of over 7 hours at ESB. I presume that this flight will be extended to one of the yet to be announced destinations. BEG and KBP seem prime candidates.


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 5081 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5407 times:

QR should initially fly to HRE via DAR on an A320 as the DAR market size is not big enough to warrant a double daily A320 nonstop terminator service.

As far as FIH is concerned, I would propose QR operate an A333 over there via NBO. What about QR getting into ADD? That market segment more so than any other African destination has the biggest potential for QR to exploit both in terms of volume and yield as the labor market demand to/from the Middle East + VFR/leisure Ethiopian traffic bound to India/Europe/BKK/IAD/IAH/JFK is massive.


User currently offlineojas From United Arab Emirates, joined Mar 2008, 3080 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 22):
QR462/463 DOH ESB DOH is currently scheduled with a ground time of over 7 hours at ESB. I presume that this flight will be extended to one of the yet to be announced destinations. BEG and KBP seem prime candidates.

I'm not sure if the rotation would fit in. Also with the de-linking of NBO and DAR on one of the flights, it is anyone's guess we are looking at ZNZ and MBA to be tagged to these destinations.



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25 IndianicWorld : Abit early to be declaring success just yet. Time will tell where things settles. Boosting EK capacity might just drop EY's frequency in the end, but
26 QatarA340 : QR is a semi-private Company, and of course it needs to make a profit. QR an arm of foreign policy? I would get the rationale if you said AlJazeera,
27 carpethead : Still no de-linking of the NRT/KIX flight from DOH. QR must know what they are doing & paying for landing fees.
28 migair54 : QR just announce the new schedule and you might be right... Doha – Dar es Salaam eff 01JUN12 All 2 Daily flights operating on NONSTOP basis once ag
29 SurfandSnow : Great to see QR pioneering the way into underserved niche markets. So still no SYD? I realize that QR wants to avoid the heavy competition there, but
30 jetlag73 : CEB is cancelled, but seems DPS is doing good, with a mix of 77W and 77L. Yields not sure, but loads are great (I know, I know, loads mean nothing. St
31 QatarA340 : Checking the log books, QR has about 8 A320s, 1 77W, 5 787, and 1 777F to be delivered for this year. I might be wrong, however. That means there is r
32 kiramakora : QR is owned by the State of Qatar. Why don't you do do some due diligence on who are the "private investors" owning the rest of the 50% of the stakes
33 Post contains images sq_ek_freak : If galley gossip is to be believed, FIH is high on EK's list too. To be honest, I disagree with this. It seems as though even AAB doesn't make much e
34 QatarA340 : No its not, as much as the "Qatar is so rich" fever spreads the globe, QR is NOT fully owned by the government. It is owned by senior members of the
35 abrelosojos : = Seriously? And, the senior members of the Royal Family is not part of the government? = You don't have to believe anything you don't want to. Some
36 Post contains images QatarA340 : Nope. Propery, land, airline companies, grocery shops owned by the members of the Royal Family are NOT part of the governement. Lol, ok fine. You hav
37 ojas : Qatar Airways as an entity that is being used to extract businesses/tourism into Qatar as they know natural gas revenue is not going to last forever.
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