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Malev Ceases Operation Part 2  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13120 times:
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This is a follow-up thread of part 1 which can be found here: Malev Ceases Operations Part1. Please feel free to contribute to the the discussion as per the airliners.net forum rules.


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User currently offlinereifel From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 1360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12911 times:

Flew out again on BUD today with LX. Same strange situation. The Malev check in area was empty, only the LY flight to TLV was checked in there.

The Malev ticketing office is open and looks like everyday. Difference is that the poor ladies inside can't do anyhting than give you a useless certificate that your flight is cancelled due "situation in BUD". In front there is a counter of a travel agent (??) which had the bright idea to make print some banners within minutes which says "Wizzair booking office, Rescue fare of 35 EUR for Malev passengers only". Plus there is a sign to "free internet computers (for flight booking only)", but I guess they've been taken away already. No ones comes to the MA check in area. Ticket office was empty.

Malev lounge is still open (as they serve basically all airlines with exception of LH/LX/OS I guess, even SN and other Star partners). Malev ground handling is still working and taking care of i.e. AF.
The Malev Ground handling transfer counter airside is still open, too, as someone they are handling could need assistance in case of misconnex or an onward boarding pass. The single lady here seems to have no work all day... Not that there were big queues there in the past anyway, when MA was still operating (unless there was an irregularity mabye).

I guess Malev catering has probably not much to do anymore (I mean, all carriers turning around in MA would get the catering at their home airport).

Other than that, the skycourt was quite full with flights to Prague, Düsseldorf, Frankfurt, Paris, Zürich, London and Tel Aviv departing. However after that bunch of flights there would have been no flights for 2 hours or so.

I was wondering what Base Airlines operating the E120 for MA i.e. to BEG would now do? Their 2 aircrafts are covered in snow on a remote position of the apron and have protection things on the props. I guess although Base will technically not be bankrupt there is no customer to fly them anymore...
There is a 737 (beneith the 767) of Malev also in front of the Hangar. Thought they were all flown to Ireland.


User currently offlinekrisyyz From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12757 times:

Some more depressing pictures from MA's crew centre, taken today....

http://www.airportal.hu/spotter-forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6592

I've spoken to a few of my family in Hungary today (most of who worked for MA at one point or another). Apparently there is a rumor floating around that a group of Hungarian companies/investors are planning a rescue deal for MA, they are hoping to restart the airline on a drastically reduced scale. Although I would dismiss any rumors about MA restarting unless there is solid information coming from the Government itself.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlinekrisyyz From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12745 times:

Sorry, double post...

[Edited 2012-02-05 07:53:59]

User currently offlineTommyBP251b From Germany, joined Apr 2006, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12245 times:

It is a sad day for Hungary.

I also would have expected a new Malev, although I think in the current economically enviroment it is hard to believe.

For me the most heartbreaking was, that they flew all the planes immediately to Shannon leaving BUD empty. Like Malev would have never existed.

Let's wait and see what will happen in the next weeks.

I dont like the idea of BUD becoming a LCC heaven.

I hope economy will go up within the next years.

My thoughts

Tom



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User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12113 times:

Quoting TommyBP251b (Reply 4):
It is a sad day for Hungary.

It does not have to be. It is sad for Malev employees, but as others have stated there are new carriers starting and excisting carriers adding capacity and frequency.

Quoting TommyBP251b (Reply 4):
I dont like the idea of BUD becoming a LCC heaven.

Honestly, for us in Hungary that would be a blessing. The wages here are ridiculously low compared to the rest of Europe. Now Ryanair will open a base many more will be able to fly to nice holiday destinations.


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5712 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 12045 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 5):
Now Ryanair will open a base many more will be able to fly to nice holiday destinations.

This is just usual baseless FR cheerleading. There's already U2 and W6 serving quite extensive network so it's not like Hungarians are waiting for low cost carriers to discover Budapest and FR will have no qualms to charge rip-off rates where possible.
Typical Ryanair flight from BUD to the middle of nowhere twice a week will not replace the void left by MA bankruptcy.


User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11933 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 6):
Typical Ryanair flight from BUD to the middle of nowhere twice a week will not replace the void left by MA bankruptcy

Budapest to: MAD, BCN, BLQ, DUB, MAN, OSL, BHX etc etc are not middle of nowhere airports, but the main city airports. You might not like FR yourself, but for instance BUD-MAD is a route I travel often, and I just booked it for 5990 HUF, which is about 20 Euros. I dont have any other charges then the CC fee.

I personally wish FR all the best at BUD, and I for sure will use them a lot.


User currently offlineHonza From Czech Republic, joined May 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11650 times:

Poor HALOP is on his way now, too...



User currently offlinemagyar From Hungary, joined Feb 2000, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11208 times:

Here is a question which may be stupid. Why only LCC can set up a base in BUD? Why not a large legacy carrier?
What if BA would base a few A320/319 in BUD and take over the Malev network, or whatever part of it that was useful for the OneWorld alliance?

There were many arguments for not having a national carrier for every single EU countries.I agree, but then why not allow big legacy carriers establish hubs/focus cities wherever they want in the EU?


User currently offlineflyingAY From Finland, joined Jun 2007, 702 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11129 times:

I feel saddened by the sudden loss of Malev. I used to fly them and their partner BASe (Budapest Aircraft Service) to Hungary, Athens and Slovenia a few times in the last couple of years. Their 737-600 is also the only one I have flown.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 7):
I personally wish FR all the best at BUD, and I for sure will use them a lot.

You maybe, but no serious businessman will use them. I fly FR sometimes personally, but handling cancelled flights, lost luggage, overweight luggage etc. is a nightmare with them. Not to mention that connections are virtually impossible with them. When I fly for business, I need some flexibility and my company is willing to pay for that. My time is valuable for the company when I'm working, not when I'm queueing at the airline counter. This applies to most business travellers. If your time is charged from the customer at a rate of 200 euros per hour or more, trying to get the last 50 euro saving by travelling with FR is just plain pointless.

I guess AY will increase their connections to BUD as well. There is a significant Nokia operations in Hungary and when flying between HEL and BUD, there was always Nokia people onboard. There has been 4 daily flights between the cities (2 AY and 2 MA flights).


User currently offlineEY460 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11092 times:

Quoting magyar (Reply 9):
but then why not allow big legacy carriers establish hubs/focus cities wherever they want in the EU?

There is full cabotage in Europe, so within the European Union there is nothing stopping an European airlines to set up a base and operate wherever they want within the EU (including domestic flights), unless there are slot issue but this is not the case in Budapest. It they want to operate to a country outside the EU it is more complicated because of bilaterals.

For instance Lufthansa started Lufthansa Italia and Air France has CityJet in the UK. Air France was even able to start flights from London to the USA thanks to the Open Skies agreement between the EU and the USA.


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10390 times:

Quoting magyar (Reply 9):

Here is a question which may be stupid. Why only LCC can set up a base in BUD? Why not a large legacy carrier?

They are allowed. Just like LH started Lufthansa Italia in MXP. There is no (legal) difference between a LCC or network-carrier.

Quoting magyar (Reply 9):
What if BA would base a few A320/319 in BUD and take over the Malev network, or whatever part of it that was useful for the OneWorld alliance?

They'd find it very hard to make it profitable. That's the reason we don't see network carriers creating new bases.

Quoting magyar (Reply 9):
or whatever part of it that was useful for the OneWorld alliance?

With MA bankrupt, the OneWorld aspect in Hungary is not really relevant anymore, except (maybe) a slightly higher share of BA Executive Club or Finnair Plus members. Duna Club miles became worthless, so no difference here.

Quoting magyar (Reply 9):
Why not a large legacy carrier?

So far, legacy carriers have not been successful in setting up bases outside their main hub. Actually, there is a trend of dismantling minor hubs rather than setting them up.

In a way, the Budapest-case is a first-timer in Europe: a nation's primary carrier, operating a medium-sized hub, ceases operations. However, when looking at some other airports that have found themselves in a (more or less) comparable situation, BUD's situation doesn't look bright.

- FlyLal operated a small network out of VNO, aimed at connecting Europe's major cities in a business-friendly schedule. They also codeshared on the VNO-AMS flights to tag onto KL's intercontinental network. After their demise, Star1, BT and OV tried to operate such a network, but all failed. Now, VNO is a W6 base, a FR destination, and is linked by only a few network carriers to their hubs. (BA, KL, AF didn't start service to the airport). A main difference is that Vilnius' catchment area is smaller than Budapest's (explaining the lack of connections to LHR/AMS/CDG), but starting a new network seems very difficult.

- In Spain, BCN has a sizeable catchment area, but no network carrier. BCN's catchment area is arguably bigger than BUD's, but still IB has found that it was not profitable running a full-service network carrier from BCN, and the same goes (unfortunately) for JK. Now, for BCN, we'll see that they are linked perfectly (high frequencies) to all European hubs, they have a fair share of long-haul connections, and a "main-airport LCC" (Vueling) offering business-friendly routes to main airports (7x daily BCN-ORY, 4x daily BCN-AMS, for example). And FR and U2. But no "home" network carrier.

- In the UK, main airports like MAN or EDI see a similar network to BCN: good connections to the main hubs, and 4 LCC-like carriers (BE, U2, LS, FR) fighting for market share. But no BA network.

FlyBE is, in a way, an interesting carrier. Their on-board product and price-structure resembles an LCC, but their network - for a number of routes - is aimed at business pax. Also, they are willing to get involved in interline agreements and code shares. If well-played, FlyBE *might* be an interesting option for Budapest. I don't expect them om main routes (AMS, CDG, FRA), but on abandoned routes in central and eastern Europe.


User currently offlinelauda777 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10116 times:

Well guys words can't express it's like losing a family member, I was born in Budapest and my first ever flight was on Malév in 1986 on probably a TU154 or 134 I was only 6 years old too young to remember, I have been living in Australia since I was 7 years old and haven't flown Malév since but it it was always something I was proud of being Hungarian and knowing it was a much loved airline with great service and caring staff that looked after you, what saddens me more is I have a trip planned this August and booked tickets 2 weeks ago, I couldn't believe it when I heard the news I was so looking forward to fly with Malév again and now I'm afraid it will never happen again, I'm holding out hope for a restart before I rebook my flights but whatever happens I hope the employees get their entitlements I can't imagine the sadness and hardship for them at this difficult time.
I don't want to fly a LCC it's just not the same, my whole trip was planned out with Qatar,BA and Malév  



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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9926 times:
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A few more pics of the Malev fleet at SNN I took yesterday

http://www.flickr.com/photos/65739000@N08/?saved=1

Apologies if they're not great. I only just got a new Sony NEX5 before Christmas and haven't quite got the hang of it yet! I also don't have a particurarly powerful lense and the SNN weather made it nigh impossible to get some good pics for everyone but the most talented photographers. Note also the BA747-400 abandoned on the taxiway near the MA fleet that can be seen in the shots taken from the terminal. This was one of the diversions due to the snow at LHR. There was also a BA 777 parked at the terminal while I was there.



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User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Kazakhstan, joined Dec 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9822 times:
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Sorry A.Netters for this question:

After reading much about Malev's Ceases Operation and much more I wondered what the reason is (was) to "ship" almost the hole fleet from BUD to SNN. Maybe I missed reading something also in the previous post?


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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9702 times:
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Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 15):
After reading much about Malev's Ceases Operation and much more I wondered what the reason is (was) to "ship" almost the hole fleet from BUD to SNN. Maybe I missed reading something also in the previous post?

International Lease Finance Corporation who are the leasing company has a base at SNN. Apparently they wanted to get their aircraft back to where they had control over them ASAP in case they got impounded at foreign airports as a result of MA not paying airport charges. SNN has plenty of remote parking area and is frequently used for short term storage of aircraft returning from lease. I think the plan is to keep them in MA colours for a short period in case some angle investor decides to bail MA out. After that, they will likely be repainted at SNN and redeployed to new leasors. There are rumours that the B737-600s may be sold or even scrapped as there is little demand out there for them.



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User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9687 times:

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 15):
I wondered what the reason is (was) to "ship" almost the hole fleet from BUD to SNN. Maybe I missed reading something also in the previous post?

It's in reply 86:
Malev Ceases Operations Part 1 (by keuleatr72 Feb 2 2012 in Civil Aviation)#86


User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9686 times:

Basically ILFC wanted it out of the way, various possible reasons include
-to avoid BUD parking fees, possible impounding
-to avoid someone "nationalising" the fleet
-to have them at an airport where needed mx care (even for parking) can be provided
-maybe to have them readily available in case some airline decides they need a 737 and they need it now.



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User currently offlineB738FlyUIA From Kazakhstan, joined Dec 2009, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9406 times:
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Quoting joost (Reply 17):
It's in reply 86:
Malev Ceases Operations Part 1 (by keuleatr72 Feb 2 2012 in Civil Aviation)#86

Thank you joost and is clear now.


User currently offlineCO38 From Norway, joined May 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9398 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 16):
There are rumours that the B737-600s may be sold or even scrapped as there is little demand out there for them.

Would be a shame if they get scrapped.

Maybe theres a market for them as BBJs? According to reply number 8 in the "2011 Aircraft Values and lease pricing." thread they have a market value between 11.0 and 19.5 mill USD.
Could be a cheaper way to aquire a BBJ with a 4000NM range and nearly the same cabin space as the original BBJ.

Or a current 735 operator could perhaps be interrested in these birds. Replacing aging aircraft with a similar capacity NG model. SK comes to mind.


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9364 times:

Its always sad seeing an airline close down, I hope MA will get back in the air again and soon.

User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5712 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9365 times:

Quoting Fabo (Reply 18):
Basically ILFC wanted it out of the way, various possible reasons include
-to avoid BUD parking fees, possible impounding
-to avoid someone "nationalising" the fleet
-to have them at an airport where needed mx care (even for parking) can be provided
-maybe to have them readily available in case some airline decides they need a 737 and they need it now.

That makes all sense, however why did MA bother to allocate its own scarce resources to ferry them to SNN? Why not let ILFC sort it out themselves?


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 9304 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 22):
That makes all sense, however why did MA bother to allocate its own scarce resources to ferry them to SNN? Why not let ILFC sort it out themselves?

ILFC did. ILFC paid fuel, eurocontrol and the (ex-Malev) crew. For the crew, it's simply work. If MA-crew would not be willing to fly the planes (and get paid for doing so), ILFC would hire another crew right away.

Quoting CO38 (Reply 20):
Or a current 735 operator could perhaps be interrested in these birds. Replacing aging aircraft with a similar capacity NG model. SK comes to mind.

I doubt SK is interested in second-hand 736s. SK just ordered second-hand 737-700s and A320NEOs (new of course). In fact, their 1999 SE-DNU 737-600 has already been scrapped at Kemble in 2010.

Quoting CO38 (Reply 20):
Maybe theres a market for them as BBJs?

Except for airlines looking for the specific characteristics of the 736, or need an aircraft really quickly, the only sensible destination for a 736 is for Business Jet conversions or to be parted out. Interesting enough, Boeing doesn't even offer 737-600 BBJs new, but the second-hand market is different of course. The current economic climate doesn't help, though.


User currently onlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9069 times:

Is their ENTIRE fleet now at SNN? Or are some planes still stuck somewhere else?

25 tonymctigue : I think all but two of the B737 fleet are not at SNN. There was one B737 stuck at DUB and another at IST when they ceased operations. As far as I kno
26 eicvd : One 737 was still in DUB as of last night.
27 raffik : Very sad and such a shame that a national carrier should go under like this. Do you think there is a chance that the airline could relaunch with less
28 joost : Every day they aren't relaunched makes it less likely. LH and AB already started HAM and TXL routes today, and practically all carriers are adding ca
29 raffik : Ryanair are going to do very well in Budapest.. they must have been planning a base there for a while to come up with such a comprehensive schedule so
30 Post contains images PezySPU : My thoughts exactly! If this new airline was to launch, it would have to launch immediately after MA's demise. Yes, they had quite a few aircraft gro
31 Post contains links joost : Of course, although not necessarily MA. They probably have out-of-the-box schedules like this available for many other European airports, in order to
32 Post contains links krisyyz : Just saw this article. I hope it's more than wishful thinking. A government official states that the chances of new national carrier will being launc
33 PezySPU : The government official needs to understand that it's not just about the launch itself, it's about capturing the market share after you start. And if
34 Post contains links Humberside : Smartwings have today announced a new BUD operation. Booking engine currently just has CDG/ATH/BCN/LCA available from BUD. Press release also lists AM
35 joost : As many carriers are chasing after the market left by Malev, there will be a short period of overcapacity. After the summer months, this will probabl
36 fpetrutiu : RO might be interested in some of those B737's, not the B736, but the B737 and B738's. They had just returned 2 B738's to Air Berlin, and are looking
37 ju068 : Thanks for that!! Budapest-Larnaca starts at €220 tax included which is not that bad. Unfortunately the arrival time to Budapest is horrible (00:50
38 PezySPU : Sounds like a base, 2 or 3 aircraft. Are they going to receive additional aircraft from Travel Service? And they didn't include start dates in the pr
39 joost : These planes can practically go anywhere. When looking at airfleets.net at the fate of 737NG aircraft from European carriers who went bankrupt in the
40 MH017 : What happened to the Q400's: still stored at BUD or also flown to SNN ?
41 tonymctigue : They are not at SNN anyway so presumably they are still at BUD.
42 Post contains links and images PEET7G : There is so much to say, and so much to argue with some of you, especially those with the air of patronage claiming why and how this is right and this
43 ju068 : I asked you in the previous thread that got blocked, what kind of things the newspapers are writting now? I remember that before the demise of Malev
44 bennett123 : tonymctigue I did not know that there was a B737 stuck in IST, but I thought HA-LOA was in TLV. Honza Is HA-LOP in SNN yet.
45 tonymctigue : It is possible that I'm mistaking. I cannot confirm the registerations of the B737s at SNN as I don't work there. I can only report what I can see fr
46 Post contains links ContnlEliteCMH : Per http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...ev-stoppage-idUSTRE8121JS20120203, Malev had 2,600 employees to operate 22 aircraft. Per Wikipedia, they op
47 Revelation : Wouldn't it be more correct to say the ones that have the air of patronage are the ones who presume full-service airlines are a god-given right, even
48 reifel : On a side note, VY is operating a "hub" in BCN. It's absolute possible to book several VY legs in one ticket, i.e. if issued with IB flight number in
49 Post contains links and images PEET7G : Sorry, must have slipped my sight, I hardly have mood to even read thing around here The media is full of personal stories, fotos of crews crying and
50 PEET7G : You are correct, HA-LOA is still in TLV while HA-LOI is stuck in DUB. HA-LOP returned yesterday evening to SNN, and there is HA-LOB still in the Aero
51 ju068 : Thank you very much for the reply. I guess that no newspaper in Hungary saw this coming hence why they were sending out so much negative publicity ab
52 akiestar : I raised this in the previous thread, but it could feed the curious mind very well: what motive did the W6 CEO, who was a former MA CEO, have to compl
53 Post contains images PEET7G : Well he and his team where kicked out from MA management, he then pledged revenge...it is a Hungarian mentality unfortunately. We have a saying here,
54 ju068 : Well he probably knew that it would bring Mal Ah what a shame, I doubt anyone would be interested now... I guess this will have a negative impact on
55 kl911 : That does not make sense. Why would any government want to run an airline nowadays and bleed tax money on it?? let smart private investors decide if
56 Post contains links art : "Hungarian-based Wizz Air (W6) announced it will invest HUF25 billion ($100 million) into expanding its Budapest operations after state-owned Malev Hu
57 kl911 : Noooo, please stay at Terminal 1. Its a much better terminal with easy ground transportation by train to the citycenter. Terminal 2 is a long ride by
58 L410Turbolet : Does it really make such difference as to what terminal they use rather than what airport services they order?
59 ju068 : Well I do not know how it works in Budapest but in Belgrade the usage of Terminal 1 (older) in stead of Terminal 2 is cheaper no matter what services
60 lauda777 : Like I said I had flights booked with Malév for my holiday in August but after reading some of the posts here I will not be flying with any of these
61 chrisrad : I have similarly had to re-book my FRA-BUD-FRA flights. Air Berlin ended up being the cheapest and most convenient going there, and LH going back. I'
62 Post contains images lauda777 : Yeah well there's 3 of us going so KLM is gonna cost me around $670 where as I had the tickets booked on Malév for $500 Wizz Air wanna charge me $500
63 kl911 : Ryanair has 9,99 euro one way fares now Eindhoven - Budapest. Also Smartwings will start Amsterdam - Budapest soon, they are Czech, I flew them Amste
64 Revelation : It's interesting to compare: to: Not hard for me at least to reach the conclusion that MA wasn't charging what it takes to run a full-service airline.
65 ju068 : Based on what? One guy's booking to one of 50 destinations flown by Malev?
66 Revelation : Well, that, and the bankruptcy...
67 ju068 : If you read carefully what was written before Malev was making money and the only reason why it went into bankruptcy is because it had to pay back th
68 Tupolev160 : Another airline victim of EU's double standards... In the 1990's BUD profited from the wars and sanctions in ex-YU and took away from BEG the role of
69 kl911 : So it wasnt making money then if the €350 million was illegal aid that other carriers didnt receive.
70 Revelation : If that were so, then I have to agree with PEET7G: One would think if there was the core of a profitable business there, someone would be waiting to
71 PEET7G : Not really fair, what you guys are playing here... Revelation was suggesting, that MA under-priced their service... Ju068 asked what is the basis of
72 Post contains images PEET7G : There where many coming and going and interested in buying MA. The Hainan Group was the most serious taker. I know of IAG looking very close at them,
73 JL418 : Thanks PEET7G. The government's idleness is incredible, I'd expected Orban to act way quickier or, however, to do something at all. Instead, accordin
74 Revelation : Yes, that's why the quick trip through bankruptcy you described above would be needed. Under US laws, the existing shareholders get wiped out. If VEB
75 thenoflyzone : Now that HU is left with no codeshare partner in BUD, what will happen to its flight PEK-BUD? Will it share the same faith as AA's JFK-BUD, which i he
76 Post contains links and images rj777 : Sadly, this photo right here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/75911361@N03/6818062579/in/photostream/ reminds me of this:
77 krisyyz : Agreed, although BUD becoming a LCC hub is looking more likely, this sort of move towards basic service will hurt Hungary's business community. I for
78 Post contains images akiestar : Saw it on FlyerTalk and I confirmed it through the website: Duna Club has been terminated!
79 Post contains links krisyyz : There was a relatively large rally held in Budapest in support of creating a "new Malev". The CEO of MA said that the company is still looking for inv
80 IndianicWorld : Very true. As for base opportunities, the LCC's will take that role, ut the Legacy carriers will find their position feeding their main hubs. I agree
81 LJ : The fact that MA was supported illegally in the 2007-2010 era which ended the life of MA. MA would have been long gone if the illegal aid in the year
82 Post contains links and images PEET7G : Not really, if the outcome is the total parting out of the assets of the company. Actually one of the scenarios in my head was that they filed for ba
83 ju068 : I still think the Hungarian government gave up too fast. Let's not forget that subsidies are possible for some routes under special circumstances. Eur
84 krisyyz : That really gets my blood boiling..... To watch the disastrous demise of our national carrier is one thing, but to watch O’leary dance on the grave
85 Revelation : But a lot of time has passed since SN and LX ended up in the LH group, and since that time, a lot of consolidation has happened in Europe (LH group,
86 L410Turbolet : And then you hear him trolling in newspaper interviews about subsidies being the "worst thing ever". I guess that must be subsidies to airlines other
87 LJ : Yes the situation is the same. Sabena (2002), Swissair (2001) and Alitalia (2008) could restart because they knew they had the backing of a few multi
88 joost : Since 2009, BUD has been using an incentive scheme to promote the launch of new route. So for new FR routes to LBC, FMM and RYG, they will get financ
89 ju068 : The EU specified that all subsidies given to Malev from 2007 to 2010 were illegal ''...flag carrier Malév between 2007 and 2010 in the context of it
90 joost : I see what you're saying. But in this case, the Hungarian government must be able to demonstrate that these subsidies were available to any carrier w
91 Tupolev160 : Why shouldn't a state help its carrier? The EU is responsible for Malev's demise.
92 thenoflyzone : Was to be expected, alongside AA's cancelation. Thenoflyzone
93 Post contains links and images krisyyz : Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse! I'm not disagreeing but perception is reality, and the perception in Hungary is that the government
94 rj777 : Ok, that website seems to be a contradiction. At the beginning it says they want to: " take action that is meant to result in Malev Airline’s reviva
95 kl911 : You are not serious right? I have clients from a large Dutch oil company who often use FR ,U2 and W6 when they are the only point to point carrier. A
96 Aleksandar : What is going on with Budapest Aircraft Service and their Brasilias? Can they resume some flight, at least to neighboring countries such as Croatia, S
97 krisyyz : Some will and some won't. I can't conclusively say that all business "elites" will stop flying to BUD because there is no premium service but you can
98 PezySPU : Technically, yes, they have their own AOC, but they don't need to. They did some flying for MA, but that's about it. It's not their business, most of
99 Aleksandar : Well...I thought if they could be the starting base for a new airline...something like Crossair when Swissair went out of business
100 joost : Because it creates unfair competition. It's not fair to other carriers, if one carrier (for example Malev) can use tax payers money to start services
101 clydenairways : It's been reported over on the Irish thread that all the Malev 736's stored in SNN, are going to depart SNN today to GYR for scrapping.
102 LGWflyer : Yes, I know that 2 have left already for the US this morning. HA-LOJ left SNN at about 8:20am local time and HA-LOF around 9am.
103 krisyyz : For sure, and if MA does restart in some shape or form, those routes will be its backbone routes as the other markets will be swallowed up by LCCs. a
104 LJ : Those "elites" can always charter a private jet if they don't want to be seen in a FR or W6 plane...
105 Post contains images LGWflyer : In total six aircraft departed from SNN today bound for the US, they were: HA-LOD HA-LOE HA-LOF HA-LOG HA-LOJ HA-LON I guess more will be leaving SNN
106 L410Turbolet : Sort of like when public money are used to subsidize FR's flights to middle-of-nowhere airports?
107 Post contains links joost : There is an important differences: 1) Subsidies that are available for a specific service, available for any carrier willing to offer this service 2)
108 topgun3 : Had HA-LOF and HA-LOJ fly over my area on Feb. 14 (CYXU). Anyone know what was the final destination?
109 bennett123 : Think that you will find that it is Goodyear, to be parted out.
110 LOWS : Because in the Single Market, certain state subsidies can distort the market. If MA got illegal subsidies, that gives them an edge over LH, OK, OS, e
111 LGWflyer : Yup they were flown to Goodyear, Arizona via Bangor.
112 B738FlyUIA : A real pity about the way they have to go now!!! But I wonder about the cost of them all flying from BUD to SNN and now further to GYR who will pay f
113 LGWflyer : Yes it is a shame, the aircraft are only 9 years old! The aircraft were only flown by Malev but owned by a US leasing company, so I guess the lessor
114 ju068 : Budapest airport announced that it will have to fire about 250 employees and will postpone all the planned projects for 2012.
115 bennett123 : I understand that they had a single CRJ200ER, (HA-LNA). What I do not understand is why just 1 aircraft. Also it is not clear what has happened to it.
116 LGWflyer : It seems as they had another three CRJ-200's: HA-LNB, HA-LNC, HA-LND. They went to other airlines, and it says that HA-LNA is stored. Also they had a
117 Post contains links akiestar : I saw this while browsing through Facebook. I wonder how many people turned out to march for Malév in BUD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tni48AlwHBU
118 Post contains links bennett123 : http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-crj-7032.htm According to airfleets, the CRJ100 was operated briefly in 2002.
119 krisyyz : There are conflicting reports as is usual. Some media sources said "hundreds" while other said "thousands" were in attendance. I wonder what will hap
120 fpetrutiu : Looks like they are scrapping the entire Malev 737-600 fleet. I doubt they had any interest for leasing deals, or purchase, for these birds. Sad day
121 Post contains images LGWflyer : Yeah, they are worth more being parted out than being sold intact to another airline. Shame it has to end that way! Im sure LNA can be easily picked
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