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AS To Launch SEA-PHL, SEA-FLL Service  
User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 978 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 11887 times:

Service begins in June. SEA-MIA gets axed.

Press Release here:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Alaska...unching-prnews-1551553684.html?x=0

[Edited 2012-02-07 05:42:18]


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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 901 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 11885 times:

ahhh...you beat me to it...   I thought it was interesting that AS is dropping MIA and shifting to FLL they state due to the cost of serving MIA. I think they will do well with both routes and happy to see AS expand!


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User currently offlinesafetydemo From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11774 times:

Congratulations to Alaska Airlines. I hope they'll add a second SEA-PHL service in the future - perhaps a redeye? The current schedule arrives SEA around 9:00pm. What types of connections can be made at that point in time?


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User currently offlinedoug From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 847 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11707 times:

Does AA make up for the lost with a MIA-SEA flight a route that they have served before.

User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1411 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11684 times:

Interesting...

So MIA doesn't work but FLL would? How are passengers supposed to get off the boat onto the airline by 825am? They are certainly not gonna wait another 24 hrs when they are "done" cruising...at least not most of them you would think.

The big picture tells me AS is knocking on its ceiling of growth. There's only so much you can do and be from SEA. I know AS is more than just SEA. Just saying.

What does this MIA move tell us about any cooperation with AA? Just wondering out loud here...

This whole FLL and MIA with the airlines is like playing musical chairs...

[Edited 2012-02-07 06:17:44]


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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11565 times:
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Quoting peanuts (Reply 4):
This whole FLL and MIA with the airlines is like playing musical chairs...



Operating costs from FLL are much lower than MIA, and are more in line with AS's goal of earning at least 10 cents on every dollar of revenue.

Looks like SanFan will be happy with the additional OGG service! Right BB?

Tom SJC



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User currently offlinelhpdx From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11517 times:

Congrats to Sea/tac and Alaska! When Seattle and Portland grows in reagards to more air options, the whole pacific northwest region benefits......

User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11470 times:

Quoting doug (Reply 3):

I wonder the same thing. Warrants a daily AA 738 at the least, but then again, so does SAN.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11471 times:

PHL is currently served 1x daily using a US 321. I wonder if US will add another frequency/spark a fare war.


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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11414 times:
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Quoting safetydemo (Reply 2):
Congratulations to Alaska Airlines. I hope they'll add a second SEA-PHL service in the future - perhaps a redeye? The current schedule arrives SEA around 9:00pm. What types of connections can be made at that point in time?

There is a 1030pm bank on QX to most everywhere in the Pacific Northwest and as well as YVR, YYJ and YLW..

[Edited 2012-02-07 06:51:27]


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User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1411 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11401 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 5):
Operating costs from FLL are much lower than MIA, and are more in line with AS's goal of earning at least 10 cents on every dollar of revenue.

I understand that but it also clearly demonstrates AS' limitations, including willingness to cross certain lines of expenditures.
Fiscal discipline is great, but many times it can be a double edged sword, so to speak.

Giving up MIA means giving up code share and/or interlining opportunities as well, right? Not that a Florida morning departure would help much though, in that regard (referring to caribbean traffic)...But AA could feed into it with morning arrivals from Latin America.

[Edited 2012-02-07 07:23:49]


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User currently offlineJasonCRH From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 282 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11350 times:

I would imagine that there is enough of a local market south Florida- SEA and beyond so that AS's flight was not too dependent on the connections from AA to be successful. If that flight absolutely needed the connections to survive, then they would not move it from MIA to FLL. The fact that they are moving it from MIA to FLL suggests that the flight does not need the connections at MIA, that AS feels that the market can go to/from either South Florida airport, and that the lower costs offered at FLL will ensure success. Time will tell.

Quoting peanuts (Reply 10):
Giving up MIA means giving up code share and/or interlining opportunities as well, right? Not that a Florida morning departure would help much though, in that regard...But AA could feed into it with morning arrivals from Latin America.


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11333 times:
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Quoting peanuts (Reply 10):


I understand that but it also clearly demonstrates AS' limitations, including willingness to cross certain lines of expenditures.
Fiscal discipline is great, but many times it can be a double edged sword, so to speak



Looks like MIA has not been performing as well as expected:

From AS's internal website:

"With the start of Seattle-Fort Lauderdale service, Alaska will discontinue flights to Miami, which the carrier has been serving since 2002. Although passenger loads have been strong, the Seattle-Miami market has been underperforming in comparison with Alaska’s other transcontinental routes"

"About the same number of people travel between Seattle and Miami as between Seattle and Fort Lauderdale, even though the airports are only 28 miles apart. That’s about the same distance separating Los Angeles International Airport and Burbank. Airport costs are much higher in Miami, however, so Alaska can continue to serve the same geographic area at a much lower cost and offer low fares by switching to Fort Lauderdale."



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User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11331 times:

I wonder is AS will rent a gate and employee their own people to work the flights or contract with a partner such as AA or DL to handle them? AA is rumored to be moving to Terminal D in the spring and taking the 4 vacant gates currently available.

User currently offlinepeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1411 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11288 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 12):
Looks like MIA has not been performing as well as expected
OK. So MIA-SEA was basically mainly MIA originating traffic, I would have to assume. Now they shift that to FLL, to save on operating costs. Still not sure how cruise traffic can catch that morning departure flight out of FLL. (only mentioning this since they spoke about cruise ship traffic in the article)

I'd speculate AA could be more inclined to start a MIA-SEA now. That would certainly not help AS either. So, what gives?

[Edited 2012-02-07 07:13:29]


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User currently onlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11185 times:

Very nice for PHL, two new airlines in a month.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 8):
PHL is currently served 1x daily using a US 321. I wonder if US will add another frequency/spark a fare war.

Is this the current Feb schedule? If I understand correctly SEA is pretty seasonal and I think US may run 2-3 daily during the summer.


User currently offlinecotparampguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11171 times:

Awesome. I was hoping they'd start here so I didn't have to fly to LAX or JFK to get to SEA anymore. With regards to gates, in the F concourse they are putting up new jetways where AA used to be (they took theirs) so I wouldn't be surprised to see AS set up shop in F.

User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11175 times:
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Quoting peanuts (Reply 14):
OK. So MIA-SEA was basically mainly MIA originating traffic, I would have to assume. Now they shift that to FLL, to save on operating costs. Still not sure how cruise traffic can catch that morning departure flight out of FLL. (only mentioning this since they spoke about cruise ship traffic in the article)



The FLL times are basically the same as they were from MIA. It was a forced overnight in MIA for Cruise passengers as well.

The thing that will be missed are the inbound connections to MIA on AA from deep South America.

Tom SJC



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5830 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11122 times:
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Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 5):
Looks like SanFan will be happy with the additional OGG service! Right BB?

I didn't see it in the press release. Is AS adding a 2nd RT on the SAN-OGG route?


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11093 times:
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Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 18):
I didn't see it in the press release. Is AS adding a 2nd RT on the SAN-OGG route?



4 more a week from SAN and 3 additional frequencies weekly from SMF to OGG.

Tom SJC



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2879 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10993 times:

I'm sure PHL surprises on-one. It was about the top of everyone's speculative list including mine. Now I just hope that garbage that Horton is stating about more industry consolidation and AS and B6 not remaining independent is, in fact, garbage.

I have known people who have been leaving FLL on a cruise and took the SEA-MIA flight but then had to overnight and find transportation up to FLL. I'm sure this will attract more of that traffic from SEA.

So what's next? RDU? OKC? SAT? DTW? MEM? CVG? TPA? MSY? YYZ? MEX?

I'm wondering how many more cities can sustain daily non-stop service from SEA. They've got most of the big hitters already.

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 9):
There is a 1030pm bank on QX to most everywhere in the Pacific Northwest and as well as YVR, YYJ and YLW..

Yes, every time I fly back to SEA on an evening arrival (from SJC, AUS, etc) there are lots of people transferring to the likes of YLK, YKM, BLI or even RDM or EUG.

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 17):
The thing that will be missed are the inbound connections to MIA on AA from deep South America.

Yes, but the problem is the outbound SEA-MIA flight didn't connect to much of AA's Latin American and Caribbean flights without an all day layover in lovely MIA. AA's former SEA-MIA flight connected well in both directions (besides connecting with SEA-NRT which it was intended to do).

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 12):
Airport costs are much higher in Miami, however, so Alaska can continue to serve the same geographic area at a much lower cost and offer low fares by switching to Fort Lauderdale."

I had heard this too. DL used to have (maybe still does?) an evening ATL-MIA-FLL flight. The FLL tag-on was cheaper than the high RON fees at MIA, I was told.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5830 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10962 times:
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Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 19):
4 more a week from SAN and 3 additional frequencies weekly from SMF to OGG.

Am I understanding this correctly? These 4X weekly SAN and 3X weekly for SMF...are these in addition to the existing dailies?


User currently offlineJayinKitsap From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10947 times:

It may be a price point issue with AS. A quick look on Orbitz indicated a late Feb trip there were only 2 nonstop filghts offered, AS and AA. However, in the 1 stop flights the masses were at fares in the mid $300's, and AS was nonstop at $680. It looks like it is at about the same time as the current MIA flight, interesting the AA non-stop is at a similar time - both basicall red-eyes to MIA, arriving around 7 AM.

It seems like the arrivals into the Florida market are early for the directs, to get the people to a cruise ship, or flights to the islands, or for business that day. As AS does code share with AA, but why would you code share if each has the one non-stop to/from MIA leaving around the same time. Now, AA and AS can codeshare to both MIA and FLL.


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10910 times:
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Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 21):
Am I understanding this correctly? These 4X weekly SAN and 3X weekly for SMF...are these in addition to the existing dailies?




Yes. in addition to the existing daily service.



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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10877 times:
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Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 20):
I'm wondering how many more cities can sustain daily non-stop service from SEA. They've got most of the big hitters already.



Time to increase frequency on the existing transcons when the new -900ERs arrive!

Tom SJC



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25 JasonCRH : AA does not fly nonstop- that's an AS flight you see with the AA code on it.
26 ERJ170 : That's my question.. where on the list is RDU.. unserved. Untested. Available. Incentives. Sounds like a good match to me!
27 Tomassjc : The city of San Jose was trying to lure AS with incentives to fly SJC-RDU a few years back...don't know what happened to that.
28 threeifbyair : ANC as well. Yes. I thought US usually had 2x daily, but apparently it is down to 1x for February. SEA sees big cruise traffic in the summer. Winter
29 ERJ170 : Considering AS hubs/focus and traffic to RDU... I could potentially see this (in my own rose-colored world): 1 daily SEA-RDU 738 4 weekly PDX-RDU 738
30 miaami : The MIA-SEA flight was operated by 767-300 or 757 depending on the time of year. The MIA-SEA leg left MIA around 800a allowing connections from South
31 cschleic : Maybe there are enough....I've been on early morning DL flights out of FLL...including 6:00 am back when it was a 764, and it was packed, and a lot o
32 Tomassjc : When AS initially started MIA, the flight departed SEA around 8am and returned from MIA at around 5pm. About a year after start of service it went to
33 Post contains images SANFan : Huh? Boy, am I late to this party! Where was THIS announced, Tom? Needless to say, I am completely thrilled and surprised! (What's the start date Tom
34 hiflyer : The newer cruise megaships are using FLL (the port made a deal to modify for them if the ships were based there)....far better connection to/from the
35 Post contains images rotating14 : WN must not be taking this very well, I wonder what they might do to counter this move?!?!?
36 flymia : FLL just has lower cost. Miami still has a busier cruise port than Fort Lauderdale even though both are huge. A bit of a surprise, but makes perfect
37 Post contains images SANFan : I guess the switch to FLL makes some sense. For a carrier with only a couple of flights, it seems they could get lost in MIA but FLL just seems like a
38 n471wn : Sadly my favorite airline is reacting now instead of being pro-active------WN seems to have lost it's way a bit during this merger-----see my other t
39 Atrude777 : Why? None of these routes are flown non stop on either side with WN or FL? I saw this as a move against Virgin America, so AS can try to steal the PH
40 jetsetter629 : I remember US flying PHL-YVR in the summer for cruise traffic. Was this opperated last year? With US dropping ANC-PHL, AS makes it easier to get to Al
41 Roseflyer : I don't think Southwest is really going to care. They don't compete on the longer transcon routes with no nonstop options. Their fares are typically
42 USAirALB : I looked at some of the markets non served by AS nonstop, and here are some of the largest with PDEW counts. I'm sure these numbers aren't exact. 1. B
43 will777 : While the Port of Miami may have more ships based year round, Port Everglades is by far the busiest during the winter months. As many as 24 ships eve
44 Atrude777 : However, Delta already flies DTW-SEA as you point out and the Alaska code-share is already on it. That's why I don't believe DTW-SEA will start on Al
45 threeifbyair : PHL will also cut into the BWI catchment area. If a 3rd SEA-DCA slot is in the cards for AS, BWI is not going to happen anytime soon. DL runs 2x/3x d
46 Tomassjc : I'm thinking so too! Tom SJC
47 Tomassjc : No AS on SLC-SEA as yet....
48 flymia : Ok great, that means? AS flys to South Florida year round, Port of Miami has more Cruise Ship passengers. FLL does work for the Miami area traffic. M
49 Roseflyer : AS codeshares and has close relationships with AA and DL, but that doesn't stop them from flying to DFW, MSP, ATL and ORD. It might cause them to fav
50 southwest737500 : What about CLT Sure it is served but there is only 2 flights
51 phllax : I also saw this as a pre-emptive move against VX, but on both routes, not just PHL! US does operate up to 3 non-stops in the summer on SEA-PHL. As fa
52 southwest737500 : I really think CLT has a good chance. I love how people are crying about RDU. Its not going to happen anytime soon Look at LAX n delta its gone season
53 southwest737500 : They do 3 from CLT and PHL in the summer
54 southwest737500 : I truly agree with u if they can't support a yearly flight to lax there's now way this will happen
55 GentFromAlaska : Worked fine for WN 6:15 AM FLL-BNA-SEA departure. 8:25 AM is a bonus. I flew the BNA-SEA segment many times with hoards of cruise ship pax returning
56 hatbutton : In the end it's all about cost and the fact that the codeshares and connecting pax never materialized like everyone had hoped. The flights are always
57 SurfandSnow : WOW! The folks at PHL have done a great job lately - first VX, and now AS! A nice change of pace for an airport that has recently lost AF and a major
58 BoeingGuy : Yeah, I did the AUS flight last week and the gate agent had DL identification on, but put on a small AS pin on her shirt for boarding. Nice touch. It
59 yeelep : N536AS is in service, N537AS is having wifi and pulse lite mod installed, should be in service before the weekend. Both are -800's, and the first wit
60 USAirALB : I'm sure MIA-SEA makes a profit(after all, if it weren't they would probably axe South Florida), but I wonder how much of the routes profit is cut do
61 Post contains images EA CO AS : PHL has been on AS' radar for a few years now; this new service has zero to do with VX.
62 YVRSpeedBird : While the FLL schedule doesn't allow for same-day connections to/from the cruise ships in Miami and Port Everglades, there is a flip side. I think peo
63 Atrude777 : Oh I don't deny/doubt it has been on Alaska's radar, I suppose the wording should be Alaska saw Virgin announce PHL and thought "oh shit we better ge
64 commavia : It was a 762 for a long time.
65 hatbutton : We've been sitting on a lot of things for a while that have been put on the back burner due to the explosion in Hawaii. Those routes took first prece
66 point2point : I would think that the well managed airline that AS, is. they had their numbers people do their numbers crunching on the last several years of data t
67 RWA380 : Not unless that cruise ship is registered in the USA, 99% of ships are registered in Liberia or the Bahamas, just like airlines cabotage exists in th
68 Post contains images SANFan : I'm still wondering and "worrying" about AS having enough a/c for PHL. I know there were/are (supposed to be) deliveries in Jan, this month, and May
69 RWA380 : I like the way you think Bob, If AS gets a new DCA slot exemption, I'd imagine AS would drop a frequency elsewhere, or a route completely, if it came
70 BoeingGuy : I don't remember that. I only recall it being a 767-300 or 757 as the other poster indicated. Did that flight a number of times.
71 commavia : Yep - it was definitely a 762 as recently as the fall of 1999. The October 31, 1999 timetable was: AA26 SEA 1230 MIA 2101 AA27 MIA 0745 SEA 1108 (Inc
72 RWA380 : I know the SEA-NRT flight operated with M11 or 777 aircraft, didn't the SEA-MIA leg ever operate with the same aircraft as the over water segment, or
73 CONTACREW : [quote=RWA380,reply=72]I know the SEA-NRT flight operated with M11 or 777 aircraft, didn't the SEA-MIA leg ever operate with the same aircraft as the
74 BoeingGuy : Always change of guage at SEA. The 777 or MD-11 never operated east beyond SEA, AFAIK. It was a different story for the dearly departed 128/129 SJC-N
75 BoeingGuy : Always change of gauge at SEA. The 777 or MD-11 never operated east beyond SEA, AFAIK. It was a different story for the dearly departed 128/129 SJC-N
76 Post contains images SANFan : Yeah, I know Chester would look under the couch cushions and in the backs of all the desk drawers and find a plane somewhere to send to Reagan Airpor
77 steeler83 : Terrific news for Philly! Too bad this service couldn't have existed last year when my wife and I went to Seattle. $190 each way comes to about $380 r
78 RWA380 : OK, Thanks guys, I always wondered that, I know CO did the same thing as AA then, with CO 742's never going east from SEA. Guess I was more rememberi
79 YVRSpeedBird : Not sure how familiar you are with the cruise industry now, but Seattle is already overtaking Vancouver. They have been for the last few years. Today
80 Post contains images BoeingGuy : What, you mean SJC? Does AA still do SAN-MIA? The only western cities that I know of that have lost AA MIA service are SEA, and the very short lived
81 commavia : To my knowledge, AA has never flown SAN-MIA as a regularly scheduled route. They should, though (along with SEA-MIA).
82 dartland : As far as I can tell, this changes the longest flight within the lower 48 states from SEA-MIA to now SEA-FLL, still maintaining it's (shrinking) lead
83 Sinlock : I hope your not refering to AA at FLL, because if you are thats 100% wrong. AA just did a major renovation of the "old" Airtran gates and operations
84 njdevilsin03 : I would assume He means PHL, cause there is no way Delta would give up 4 gates in the D terminal at FLL. Plus AA just moved a few months ago from F to
85 RWA380 : Yeah it could be rather short notice from when AS receives it's well earned nod until they start the route, hopefully PDX-DCA, but I'll give my secon
86 boberito6589 : Actually its 4x PHL and 3x CLT
87 BoeingGuy : Yeah, that regularly scheduled BLI-EYW flight beats it though.
88 Post contains links and images planesntrains : http://blog.thenewstribune.com/busin...-196-ship-calls-885000-passengers/ "The port’s two cruise terminals, one on the waterfront near the Pike Plac
89 southwest737500 : Thx for the correction I always check CLT becuase I live there
90 olddominion727 : I flew on that 1am arrival into fll. It was an L10, then 762, it was packed! I think AS should create a focus city in AUS, CLE or STL. I would like t
91 SANFan : AA flew nonstop SAN-MIA June of '92 thru April '93; the flt left Lindbergh ~ 8am, the return left MIA ~ 5pm. The PDEW is consistantly well over 200,
92 CONTACREW : Wouldnt DL do the ground handling in FLL since they already handle AS in ATL, MSP, BOS, EWR etc?
93 BoeingGuy : When I did it, it was a 757. I was actually on the AA SEA-MIA flight and it got canceled at the gate. Those of us with carry-on only were told to run
94 cschleic : Perhaps hopefully not. The Delta terminal is absolutely horrible on weekends with all the cruise traffic.
95 laca773 : Congratulations to AS on the new PHL route and the transfer to FLL from MIA. I'm sure many will be happy to have the people of FLL serve them over the
96 wedgetail737 : Chances are that VX doesn't offer connection opportunities between SEA-PHL thru SFO or LAX, just like every other east-coast city that VX serves. Als
97 Post contains images peanuts : It's Half Time, America! Airliners are in their locker rooms discussing what they can do to win this game in the 2nd half... [Edited 2012-02-07 21:21
98 slinky09 : Is VX hurting AS? Seems a bit copy cat ...
99 BoeingGuy : I hardly think that AS has to copy VX to be successful. And AS is doing it out of their primary hub and headquarters, SEA. VX probably siphons off a
100 HPRamper : I don't think what WN had at PHL was anything close to a hub...and in WN terms it really wasn't even "major."
101 mah4546 : I would absolutely hold my breath, and I bet AA launches MIASEA 14JUN12, if not by Thanksgiving weekend. AA was very quick to replace US on MIAPHX, a
102 planesntrains : I would not be a bit surprised, and hope it comes to pass. -Dave
103 PHLJJS : Nope, PHL. I have no idea about what's going on at FLL, nor do I care.
104 hatbutton : VX doesn't make money....AS turned another record annual profit and the highest pretax margin of any airline the US. So...no.
105 Post contains images BoeingGuy : Do you know something we don't know yet? What equipment? 757 or 737-800? Same schedule as the old 25/26?
106 GentFromAlaska : Seward, Alaska but close enough its roughly a short 4 motor coach ride, a little longer by train.
107 Post contains images EA CO AS : So if ANY airline announces service to PHL from ANYWHERE, it's automatically a "copycat" move after VX? Do you see black helicopters everywhere you g
108 RWA380 : I like the fact AS is not afraid of going head to head with other big carriers on their home turf, I doubt VX was much of a consideration in AS's PHL
109 Post contains images crAAzy : Not that it matters, but I tend to agree AA will not let this route be vacant for long. Additionally, AA can probably demand more of a premium for th
110 flymia : These days it's the opposite. Been a while since you been to MIA, if your not connecting from an International flight MIA is one of the most user fri
111 wedgetail737 : Your statement seems contradictory. You ask "Why would anyone want to fly to FLL over MIA?" But you state the benefits of flying into FLL over MIA. I
112 hatbutton : I think he was setting himself up with the question as to why anyone would want to fly to FLL since quite a few people think this is a bad move for c
113 HiFlyerAS : That's so cute...VX hurting AS. Thanks for the giggle. PHL has been on the radar for at least a couple of years, along with DTW, MSY, DTW, OMA, TPA,
114 wedgetail737 : I'm actually hoping that AS would slow down adding new cities and work on the ones that have limited service like 1X daily. The 1X daily flight can b
115 HiFlyerAS : Agreed. AS especially needs another SEA-IAH in particular. The second BOS and MCO out of SEA seem to come and go...would love to have them back year-
116 RWA380 : Thanks for guessing, I incorrectly conveyed my thoughts. I'm sure you have done it at some point, so try not to be too hard on me. What I was trying
117 laca773 : We see these routes increase and decrease because of SEA being a seasonal market all around. Perhaps we'll see SEA-FLL increase during the winter sea
118 flymia : The main thing is location of the resident/visitor. Don't get me wrong connecting from an international flight in MIA can be horrible (not that I hav
119 HiFlyerAS : There are three scheduled for this fall then more in 2013. They plan on using them where they need increased capacity but not necessarily an addition
120 rotating14 : I could be wrong but here's a shot. Flying back and forth from MIA to ANC I couldn't for the life of me figure out why they (AS) only operated a dail
121 wedgetail737 : AS has flights between ANC-SEA pretty much 24 hours per day. In addition to the Alaska market, they also have the entire PNW. I think FLL is more con
122 Post contains images rotating14 : Agreed but I was referring to your statement of the cities of where AS has a single frequency, in this case MIA. Leaving ANC is not problem as AS has
123 threeifbyair : What about SEA-DCA and SEA-EWR? DCA in particular seems to go out full on a regular basis with some juicy yields. I haven't seen DCA included in an A
124 BoeingGuy : I thought I heard early on that this was the weakest of AS's new routes. Is that no longer the case? I was on the AUS flight and it was fairly full e
125 HiFlyerAS : That could very well be but if so I think the cause is the lack of a morning departure on both ends. It's a bit hard to attract any local boards in I
126 ASFlyer : I think this is the weakest of the new routes that AS is operating. That said, I wonder how much of that is a product of a weak schedule. CO/UA opera
127 GentFromAlaska : Would it be feasible to move a QX airframe to MCI and have it operate between MCI-IAH to supplement AS new SEA-MCI service?
128 HiFlyerAS : QX seems to have their hands full with all the new flying inter-California and PDX-Montana. I'm hoping to see some new routes out of LAX on QX after
129 drerx7 : It was when it started. Delta codeshares on it and when I saw it operating it looked like it had a decent load a year ago. Tonight's bird was a 73G b
130 cjpmaestro : Just dreaming here, but with the new route announcement to PHL I was thinking if a code share agreement with US would be good for both airlines. AS lo
131 Post contains images planesntrains : Cjpmaestro, I like your thinking in some respects, but the ultimate challenge is that AS already is in bed with AA (oneworld) and DL (SkyTeam). Adding
132 HPRamper : His quote read "why wouldn't" not "why would." It makes a lot more sense that way.
133 AS739BSI : At first I was thinking US codesharing would be crazy due to AS trying to squeeze UA out as much as possible. Now if there was a merger with AA and U
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