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What Is JAL's 'Plan B' For NRT-BOS?  
User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 11204 times:

Let's say the 787 can't go by April 22, for whatever reason, on the much-ballyhooed NRT-Boston run.

Do they:

Postpone start of service?
Use a 773?
Tag Boston onto another flight, say, NRT-ORD?



[Edited 2012-02-07 18:51:30]

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User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 11044 times:

No accouncement from JAL at the moment.

More than likely a postponement.
Unlike, NH, JAL really isn't flush with extra widebody aircraft at the moment.
Their fleet of 13 773ERs are pretty much accounted for on flying their trunk routes like NRT-LHR, CDG, FRA, JFK, LAX & ORD. They could use the two remaining 773ERs on the NRT-BOS but that means no spare aircraft. Probably not the best option considering it would affect their other main services is something irregular happens.
Then there are the 11 772ERs of which 8 are fitted with crew rests. Three are needed to fly the HND-CDG & SFO runs. The other five fly NRT-BOM, DME & Asia missions and they could take them off those runs as a possibility.

Hopefully, Boeing can get the GE-powered 787 certified and delivered to JAL by end of March. Otherwise, the April 22 start-up will be in jeopardy.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10864 times:

Postponement seems like the best option, as much as I'd like to see a 787 for the time being. As long as they start the route, I don't care when they do, but I want to see it as soon as possible.


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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8366 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10289 times:

I'm not sure posponment is a great idea considering the amount of publicity that's been unleashed for Boston's first non-stop service to Asia. This route is a huge deal around here. I'm not sure what they would do though but there are options. Has there been a precendent like this before?

Quoting carpethead (Reply 1):
Unlike, NH, JAL really isn't flush with extra widebody aircraft at the moment.

BOS-NRT will start 4x weekly service only. That should allow them to sub for a spare 772/3ER.


User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10248 times:

Well, the selfish side of me wouldn't mind seeing a delay of a few days because I'm scheduled to be at a big Defense/Security trade show in Baltimore from the 22nd through the week!

I've never met the great spotting community at Logan, but I would certainly love to be there for the first JAL 787 if it happens a week or so later than scheduled! Great bunch of people who crank out fabulous photos and astounding videos.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30981 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10223 times:
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A 777-300ER would be too large a plane to send on that run if they plan to start with a 787-8.

I expect they'll use a 777-200ER.


User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10190 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
A 777-300ER would be too large a plane to send on that run if they plan to start with a 787-8.

I expect they'll use a 777-200ER.

I agree   

The 773 might be OK for a 'tag-on' flight, but then it's not a non-stop anymore. People who've already booked the flights won't like a stop along the way when they didn't expect one.


User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9967 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 1):
The other five fly NRT-BOM, DME & Asia missions and they could take them off those runs as a possibility.

I'm assuming BOM and the Asia mission ones can be subbed out for one of the aircraft that don't have crew rests to free a couple of 772s if need be? Or are the non crew rest 772s the domestically configured cattle trucks?



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8366 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9923 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
A 777-300ER would be too large a plane to send on that run if they plan to start with a 787-8.

No doubt but JL's 773ER's have about the same number of seats as their 772ER's due to the low density configuration of their 773ER's. So what's worse, send a 773ER and sell a bunch of low "introductory" fares just to break even until the 788 is available, or pospone the service and have to rebook or reimburse everyone who has already booked, plus penalties? Don't forget that for the first year JL is getting significant incentives from Massport so the break even point for the route is less than "normal". If capacity is too great there's also the option of operating the route only 5x weekly instead of the planned increase to daily.


User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9782 times:

If JAL amends their plan for this route, about how much advance notice do you all think they are obligated to give...a month?

User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9761 times:

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 9):
If JAL amends their plan for this route, about how much advance notice do you all think they are obligated to give...a month?

They aren't obligated to give any advance notice at all.

As long as they pay the due compensation, they can cancel 5 minutes before scheduled start if they want to.

That would be terrible PR and they would never do that, but it's an option...



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User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9756 times:

Aside from not knowing a 787 from a bottle of milk, Boston Mayor Menino would likely shriek with howls of protest (along the lines of, "How DARE JAL do this to ME!").

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8372 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9620 times:
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JAL would probably launch the route with a 77W and then rotate in whatever 777 is available until the 787 can operate the flight. JAL has been waiting to fly to Boston since 1992.

User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3635 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9310 times:

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 11):
Aside from not knowing a 787 from a bottle of milk, Boston Mayor Menino would likely shriek with howls of protest (along the lines of, "How DARE JAL do this to ME!").

He'd say that alright, but you'd never really fully understand what came out of Mayor Mumbles mouth!



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User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9079 times:

I would probably agree, most will not know the difference between the 787 and 772, as an armchair CEO i would go that route.

User currently offlineJHCRJ700 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8315 times:

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 4):
Well, the selfish side of me wouldn't mind seeing a delay of a few days because I'm scheduled to be at a big Defense/Security trade show in Baltimore from the 22nd through the week!

I've never met the great spotting community at Logan, but I would certainly love to be there for the first JAL 787 if it happens a week or so later than scheduled! Great bunch of people who crank out fabulous photos and astounding videos.

I agree those photos from Boston are some of the best ones on the site IMO. With the flights to Boston so cheap from Baltimore hopefully i can take a day off work to go see her first arrival!



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User currently offlineSpunker From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8254 times:

Still hoping for the 787 on 4/22 but who know's what will transpire. Everyone come up and see us there are a multitude of places to spot around Logan. Here's our group
http://www.meetup.com/BostonAirlinerSpotters/
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User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8179 times:
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Given ATI with AA, can AA fly the route with a 767 or 772 until JAL's 787s arrive?

User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2489 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7735 times:

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 17):

767 doesn't have the legs. Does AA have any 772s to spare?

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User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7537 times:
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Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 18):
Does AA have any 772s to spare?

Don't know for sure.
ORD-DEL will be ending so that's two and the first 77Ws will be flying DFW-GRU so there's another one and eventually two more 772s that will become available. However, not sure if they will be needed to replace outgoing 767s on some routes, or if those aircraft have already been allocated to other routes, or if AA has plans to start refurbs on it's 772s once the 77Ws start arriving.

Maybe someone else has more details on aircraft utilization with the schedule changes and declined leases.

I'm thinking the most likely outcome will be JAL postponing the start of the flight.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6406 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
A 777-300ER would be too large a plane to send on that run if they plan to start with a 787-8.

What's JL's configuration on the 787-8? Their longhaul 4-class 77Ws only have 246 or 272 seats depending on configuration.
http://www.jal.co.jp/en/aircraft/conf/777.html

Many carriers have that many, and often far more, seats on much smaller aircraft. For example, KLM's A332s haved 243 seats and their new A333s have 292.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30981 posts, RR: 86
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6243 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 20):
What's JL's configuration on the 787-8?

Looks to be 42J and 144Y for a total of 186 for the initial service to Boston.

[Edited 2012-02-08 18:24:43]

User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6176 times:

Quoting Spunker (Reply 16):
Still hoping for the 787 on 4/22 but who know's what will transpire. Everyone come up and see us there are a multitude of places to spot around Logan. Here's our group
http://www.meetup.com/BostonAirliner...ters/

Best people I've never met.

I want to spend a day with these people as they shot videos and photos around Logan. The stuff they come up with is awesome. Their YouTube channels are brilliant...well-shot, accompanied by music...the whole nine yards. I'm going to make a vow to myself to meet up with them this spring.


User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6052 times:

The funniest thing would be if a 77E is subbed, and when a newspaper publishes a photo of it calling it a 787.


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User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6020 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 23):
The funniest thing would be if a 77E is subbed, and when a newspaper publishes a photo of it calling it a 787.

Well, if a 777 comes in initially followed by the 787, it'll give the fire crews two opportunities to spray water & have fun...once for the debut of JAL in Boston and the second one for the debut of the 787.  


User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5828 times:

Very pleased to hear that JAL will open up San Diego-Narita with the 787 as well.

I'm pleased because the 787 was conceived as a plane that would open up 'long-and-thin' routes that other (bigger) aircraft wouldn't be able to serve profitably. Now, JAL has announced plans to open up Boston and San Diego with the 787. Al Nippon did so when they announced San Jose, CA.

The hope is that our own flag carriers open up 'long-and-thin' routes with the 787 as well. The fear is that they will assign it to existing trunk routes (e.g. JFK, ORD, et al) rather than use it for new markets that really could use the service if only for a plane such as the 787.

Speaking as a New Englander, I hope Boston-South America routes are seen as 787-worthy. There is next to nothing going from/to Boston from anywhere in South America right now. We automatically think 'east-west' when conjuring up 787 routes, but north-south routes are goldmines, too!


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5793 times:

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 25):
Speaking as a New Englander, I hope Boston-South America routes are seen as 787-worthy. There is next to nothing going from/to Boston from anywhere in South America right now. We automatically think 'east-west' when conjuring up 787 routes, but north-south routes are goldmines, too!

JL used to do fifth-freedom flights from Brazil to JFK and LAX. I asked in the thread if that was possible for the BOS flights and was told that while the market is there, the yields are awful and the fares would have to go up quite a bit.

I found Massport's presentation that had a slide detailing the largest markets without service. Some of these might work with the 787:

www.massvacation.com/governors-conference/2011/.../massport.ppt



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User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5919 times:

Does anyone know how bookings are looking on NRT-BOS?

I don't think filling a plane from BOS to South America would be tough at all, especially to Brazil. But the profitability would be another thing. A lot of VFR traffic.


User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5897 times:

That link would have been a terrific one to look at, but it's a dead-end.

But you look at some of the Boston-area communities...Framingham, for example...you could fill a Boston-Brazil 787 every day of the week, if someone had the sense to do so. I cannot speak to how profitable such a route would be, but wasn't the 787 designed to bring the break-even point down a whole bunch?


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8366 posts, RR: 10
Reply 29, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5809 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 26):
JL used to do fifth-freedom flights from Brazil to JFK and LAX. I asked in the thread if that was possible for the BOS flights and was told that while the market is there, the yields are awful and the fares would have to go up quite a bit.

It will never happen because of the need to clear customs and immigration for connecting passengers at BOS.
I think there's demand and money to be made in BOS-GRU, but without unrestricted access to GRU it will never happen. The problem is not so much demand. It's the fact that US carriers are only allowed so many frequencies into GRU and it's better to maximize those frequencies with bigger planes from their hubs. Maybe LATAM will start such a route.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5786 times:

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 28):
That link would have been a terrific one to look at, but it's a dead-end.

Was it a bum link? It's a powerpoint. Check your computer settings to see if it's blocking it from opening, it should open, it might take a while.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 29):
It will never happen because of the need to clear customs and immigration for connecting passengers at BOS.
I think there's demand and money to be made in BOS-GRU, but without unrestricted access to GRU it will never happen. The problem is not so much demand. It's the fact that US carriers are only allowed so many frequencies into GRU and it's better to maximize those frequencies with bigger planes from their hubs. Maybe LATAM will start such a route.

Not to mention, as I've thought about it longer, the need for an extra 787. There's no way a plane can do NRT-BOS-GRU-BOS-NRT in one day.



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User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5584 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 30):
Was it a bum link? It's a powerpoint. Check your computer settings to see if it's blocking it from opening, it should open, it might take a while.

Yes, you are right. It is a PPT doc that I was able to download but my 2011 version of Powerpoint won't open it. I will keep trying. I have a MacBook Pro with the application Keynote on it; sometimes that will do the trick.


User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 11):

Aside from not knowing a 787 from a bottle of milk, Boston Mayor Menino would likely shriek with howls of protest (along the lines of, "How DARE JAL do this to ME!").

787 is much faster. The typical bottle of milk won't go bad until several days after it is manufactured.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5330 times:

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 28):
That link would have been a terrific one to look at, but it's a dead-end.

here's the actual link:
http://www.massvacation.com/governor...ce/2011/presentations/massport.ppt

As for the list, AI was studying BOS-DEL-BOM on the 787 the last time I checked... That might happen once the 787 fleet gets into operation.

[Edited 2012-02-14 19:49:54]


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5431 posts, RR: 12
Reply 34, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5323 times:

I'm trying to figure out whether or not the announcement of SAN and HEL (being discussed on a separate thread) gives us any insight as to the arrival and deployment of the first Dreamliners by JL? I can't really imagine that JL would continue announcing additional routes with the a/c if they don't have a pretty good handle on the first routes' expected starts.

Of course there has been no inaugural date suggested yet for SAN or HEL (other than "FY2012".) For that matter, there hasn't even been a formal announcement of either route by the airline or by either city yet.

Needless to say, I'm trying to be as positive as I can about all these JL expansion plans with the Dreamliner (one route in particular   ) but this seems encouraging to me that things will go as hoped and planned.

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User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5000 times:

Looks like Massport is going to make connecting via Logan easier. They have now have plans for a post security connector from Terminal E over to Terminal C. This should work nicely for the JL/B6 tie up.

User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 35):
Looks like Massport is going to make connecting via Logan easier. They have now have plans for a post security connector from Terminal E over to Terminal C. This should work nicely for the JL/B6 tie up.

Not to mention transfering B6's own international flights to its domestic ones. There already is a hallway from what was Terminal D to Terminal E, so I imagine that it would be part of this connector, and then I assume that they will connect that with the rest of Terminal C.



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8366 posts, RR: 10
Reply 37, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 35):
Looks like Massport is going to make connecting via Logan easier. They have now have plans for a post security connector from Terminal E over to Terminal C. This should work nicely for the JL/B6 tie up.

Is there a link with this news or project details? This would be awesome. Keep in mind that B6 and LH also have a code share agreement.


User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3635 posts, RR: 2
Reply 38, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4092 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 37):
Is there a link with this news or project details? This would be awesome. Keep in mind that B6 and LH also have a code share agreement.

As well as EI, if I am not mistaken

Edit: I lied...I think its only though JFK

[Edited 2012-02-18 22:33:06]


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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 37):
Is there a link with this news or project details? This would be awesome. Keep in mind that B6 and LH also have a code share agreement.

It's only a one-way deal. LH puts its code on B6 flights from BOS and JFK.

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 38):
Edit: I lied...I think its only though JFK

Nope, it's just interline with EI and it's through both BOS and JFK.

We seem to have strayed off the topic quite a bit. But hopefully the 787 flights start on time.



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User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 40, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 39):
But hopefully the 787 flights start on time.

It will be quite the day when that first JAL 787 touches down at Logan. I the first revenue flight NRT-BOS or BOS-NRT? I would imagine NRT-BOS since it doesn't make much sense to ferry the plane here empty.


User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3759 times:

Also, I read somewhere that Boeing will send one of their tour 787s to Logan on March 4. Is that confirmed?

User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

Yes it is confirmed. Arriving March 4th for event and leaving March 5.

User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 40):
I would imagine NRT-BOS since it doesn't make much sense to ferry the plane here empty.

I would imagine the same.

Quoting jcarv (Reply 42):
Yes it is confirmed. Arriving March 4th for event and leaving March 5.

Oh, cool! That's a Sunday, so I'll have to go see it if I'm not busy.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 44, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 13):
Quoting chrisnh (Reply 11):
Aside from not knowing a 787 from a bottle of milk, Boston Mayor Menino would likely shriek with howls of protest (along the lines of, "How DARE JAL do this to ME!").

He'd say that alright, but you'd never really fully understand what came out of Mayor Mumbles mouth!

Fortunately Mayor Mumbles has nothing to do or say about BOS. Logan International Airport (BOS) is owned by MASSPORT, a state agency.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 45, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 44):
Fortunately Mayor Mumbles has nothing to do or say about BOS. Logan International Airport (BOS) is owned by MASSPORT, a state agency.

Well, sharp observers will recall how 'Loud' Mumbles got several years ago when Hainan Airways was 'considering' Boston as a destination. The Honorable declared it as a done deal.


User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3008 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 37):
Quoting MAV88 (Reply 35):
Looks like Massport is going to make connecting via Logan easier. They have now have plans for a post security connector from Terminal E over to Terminal C. This should work nicely for the JL/B6 tie up.

Is there a link with this news or project details? This would be awesome. Keep in mind that B6 and LH also have a code share agreement.
http://www.massport.com/doing-busine...Programs/detail.aspx?proj=L1129-C2


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 2955 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 36):
Not to mention transfering B6's own international flights to its domestic ones.

won't those pax get dumped outside the secure area after they clear customs, though? an airside connection wouldn't help them.

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 46):
http://www.massport.com/doing-busine...Programs/detail.aspx?proj=L1129-C2

that makes it sound like the C-E connection would only be to gates that WN is using - are those then connected airside to the rest of E? I never explored back there.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (2 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 47):
won't those pax get dumped outside the secure area after they clear customs, though? an airside connection wouldn't help them.

Hmm. Good point. I wonder if that will be changing soon. It would be great if it was. At least it works when going the other way.



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User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3635 posts, RR: 2
Reply 49, posted (2 years 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 44):
Fortunately Mayor Mumbles has nothing to do or say about BOS. Logan International Airport (BOS) is owned by MASSPORT, a state agency.

Doesn't matter really...he's the first one to welcome you to Logan when you walk through the Terminal C walkway to/from the parking garage   Via recorded message, of course

Quoting jcarv (Reply 42):
Yes it is confirmed. Arriving March 4th for event and leaving March 5.

Any idea when they might be arriving give or take? Flying out to FLL that day...might try to get their early to check it out



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User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (2 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

Tentatively it's a 0900 arrival.

User currently offlinebomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (2 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Quoting tharanga (Reply 47):
won't those pax get dumped outside the secure area after they clear customs, though? an airside connection wouldn't help them.

Wouldn't this save you from transferring terminals via walking or bus? You could just check back in through security at E and then walk to C all inside security. No being a pedestrian, no waiting for a bus.

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Reply 52, posted (2 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 34):
Of course there has been no inaugural date suggested yet for SAN or HEL (other than "FY2012".) For that matter, there hasn't even been a formal announcement of either route by the airline or by either city yet.

Hey SANFan, you might want to take a look at http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201202/002028.html. The dates are still vague-ish, but JAL says that NRT-SAN-NRT will start from December 2012, and NRT-HEL-NRT will start from March 2013.

SAN flights will be 4x weekly until February 2013, then they become daily. HEL flights will be 4x weekly until sometime during the first half of FY13, then they will become daily as well.



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