vhtje From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 306 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6967 times:
Thanks for posting.
The links says,
Quoting Linked Article (Thread starter): all Iberia flights operating between London Heathrow and Madrid will depart from and arrive at London Heathrow Terminal 5 and will have a new BA flight number
Does that mean they will not have an IB flight number?
downtown273 From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 263 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6804 times:
Quoting vhtje (Reply 1): Does that mean they will not have an IB flight number?
If the flight is operated by Iberia it should definitely have an IB flight number, right? From what I understand, they will keep their IB flight numbers, but the BA codeshare flight numbers will change. Probably this will allow BA to say flight numbers BAx000 to BAx999 depart from T3 - the rest from T5.
commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10193 posts, RR: 62 Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6350 times:
Well I guess this should put to rest the oft-repeated claim that somehow T5 is incapable of ever handling flights by any airlines besides BA. Yes, I realize that Iberia is owned by the same holding company as BA, but Iberia is still legally and operationally a different airline. When I suggested that in order for AA and BA to fully harness the value of their high-frequency joint "shuttles" to a few U.S. cities, AA would need to move some flights to T5, I was told over and over that it was
(a) impossible to fit any additional flights into T5, and (b) T5 was so specialized for BA's operations that it couldn't possibly handle any other airline's flights. Hmmm ...
lhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6272 times:
Quoting commavia (Reply 6): When I suggested that in order for AA and BA to fully harness the value of their high-frequency joint "shuttles" to a few U.S. cities, AA would need to move some flights to T5,
Moving a long haul aircraft of AA and a short-haul aircraft like IB are totally different things. AA have lounges and have a good base in T3, IB do not. Ticketing and lounges are handled by BA so its very simple to move, what. 5 flights over to T5 that are spread thru out the day and are on the ground for a very short time.
skipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 2381 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6240 times:
Quoting downtown273 (Reply 4): Probably this will allow BA to say flight numbers BAx000 to BAx999 depart from T3 - the rest from T5.
Alas no, it's not that simple.
Quoting commavia (Reply 6): When I suggested that in order for AA and BA to fully harness the value of their high-frequency joint "shuttles" to a few U.S. cities, AA would need to move some flights to T5, I was told over and over that it was
American would need to self handle as per union agreements, BA handle Iberia on the ramp, they have in house staff over wing though. Iberia will have a single Airbus on the ground at any one time, American would have 2-3 B777s on the New York shuttle. Given T5B and T5C are maxxed out most of the day, they would have to shift three comparable BA long haul flights to T3. Moving a single Iberia Airbus flight would be able to use T5A and only displace one BA A320 series aircraft. You are not comparing like with like.
commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10193 posts, RR: 62 Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6231 times:
Quoting lhr380 (Reply 7): Moving a long haul aircraft of AA and a short-haul aircraft like IB are totally different things.
No question. A 767 or 777 will require different gates, and take up more space. But I was told repeatedly that T5 could not possibly ever handle any flight by another airline - widebody or otherwise - for a myriad of reasons. Again, apparently not.
Quoting lhr380 (Reply 7): AA have lounges and have a good base in T3, IB do not.
... but that doesn't stop AA from moving a few flights to high-frequency "shuttle" cities to T5.
Quoting lhr380 (Reply 7): Ticketing and lounges are handled by BA so its very simple to move, what.
Right, and ticketing and lounges for any AA flights moved to T5 could also be handled just as well by BA, as these Iberia flights will be.
Quoting lhr380 (Reply 7): 5 flights over to T5 that are spread thru out the day and are on the ground for a very short time.
I suggested, as an example, that AA move its five flights per day to JFK over to T5, and was told that was impossible.
lhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6150 times:
Quoting commavia (Reply 9): Right, and ticketing and lounges for any AA flights moved to T5 could also be handled just as well by BA,
I very much doubt AA unions would want BA staff taking over their work. IB is different as they are owned by the same company, and in T3, all res and lounge is done by BA. AA is a different animal.
Quoting SuperCaravelle (Reply 10): Also, doesn't IB bring A340's to LHR? If they can bring them to T5, there shouldn't be a space problem for AA either.
I dont think teh 340 can go onto a T5 stand? If not, it would be coached im sure.
Quoting commavia (Reply 9): ... but that doesn't stop AA from moving a few flights to high-frequency "shuttle" cities to T5.
Pray tell, where is the space going to come from. Thats one of the reasons an airline with an operation like AA wont come to 5. There is no long-haulspace, lounges would be even more busy then they are now, AA unions will not allow other airlines staff to handle them. Short haul IB, no problems! AA have dedicated lounges dedicated check in etc and use a totally different system to BA. There is no need for them to come to 5
skipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 2381 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6055 times:
Quoting commavia (Reply 9): Right, and ticketing and lounges for any AA flights moved to T5 could also be handled just as well by BA, as these Iberia flights will be.
Nope you're assuming this and you are wrong. AA metal needs AA handling as per union agreement. There is NO ROOM in T5B and T5C without kicking more BA metal into T3. Also you are adding costs to the LHR operation as you now have a split terminal operation handled by two different parties.
skipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 2381 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6019 times:
Quoting SuperCaravelle (Reply 10): Also, doesn't IB bring A340's to LHR? If they can bring them to T5, there shouldn't be a space problem for AA either.
Iberia is one gate on T5A at a time, American have 5-6 heavies on the deck at once, at least 2-3 B777s in from or out of JFK. That is clearly not the same thing regarding parking space. Does anyone know if Iberia will contine to self handle over wing or will it be all BA handling at T5?
Also moving JFK only to T5 means that American would no longer be rotating the fleet through LHR as the JFK flight would be going back to JFK rather than massive nuisance of towing from T5 to T3 then bring another B777 back with you. it dents operational flexibility having a multi terminal operation.
realsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 476 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5985 times:
Great news. Now all 13 flights from IAG to MAD will depart from T5, including 3 widebodies (at least today).
Quoting lhr380 (Reply 7): Ticketing and lounges are handled by BA so its very simple to move, what. 5 flights over to T5 that are spread thru out the day and are on the ground for a very short time.
IB today operates 8 flights to LHR: 1x 340, 3x 321, 3x 320 and 1x 319.
LHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 740 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5930 times:
Quoting richardw (Reply 13): Does LHR-MAD really need such a high frequency?
Yes, for connections to/from LHR & MAD and to compete against the LCCs.
It's taken a long time to make this move happen. Something odd seems to be going on with BA flight numbers for Iberia services which are moving from BA codeshare numbers to BA operated numbers (even though they are not actually BA operated) may be related to T5 systems issues.
GCPET From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2012, 189 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5542 times:
Wasn't expecting Iberia to move to T5 yet because I was under the impression that there wasn't enough capacity for the whole of the BA network and that was the reason that some LH flights are operated out of T3.
skipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 2381 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5321 times:
BA long haul at T3 is restricted to joint venture services with QANTAS, three flights out late, three in early. T3 short haul is A320 and B763 only on a normal day and is split between alliances like Finnair to Helsinki already in T3 and those with low connectivity to long haul.
Speedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 847 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5049 times:
IB in T5 will be treated as a BA flight for departs....the prime flight number will be a BA flight number and an IB codeshare, only difference is that it will be operated by IB. IB will follow all BA processes in T5 and staff will treat the flight as they would a BA flight.
As for the A340, this can and will be accommodated at T5.
BA has moved flights to T3 at the start of the winter schedule to make room for both the BA and IB flights, just that the IB flights didn't move at that time and will not move with the start of the summer schedule.
skipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 2381 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4953 times:
So are Iberia dumping their LHR staff?
25 lhr380: It looks like it? I guess there will be more news on that soon.
26 EricR: What are the longer term plans? Is there a plan to add a new terminal between T5C & T3 and could this new terminal possibly accomodate AA? Or is
27 nclmedic: So to all intents and purposes this is just a BA flight with an aircraft painted a different colour, nothing free onboard and completely miserable ca
28 skipness1E: Dear God no, it's way too far to walk. The way some people go on, you'd think it was a moon mission to connect between terminals. There would be litt
29 skipness1E: It's what it's always been, an Iberia aircraft offering Iberia service levels code sharing with BA. Don't over complicate matters, it's the same with
30 Tristarsteve: Do you understand why the IB flights have a normal BA flight number out of T5? Is there a legal reason? I see they have an IB flight number from MAD.
31 AIR MALTA: i think BA and IB should offer the same onboard product on those flights as people would get confused on how A BA service is BoB
32 skipness1E: The same is true of American Airlines flights internally in the US, the clue is the lack of the words "British Airways" on the side, code sharing is
33 APYu: BA will soon be BoB anyway on the short haul routes. Give it 12-18 months.
35 Speedbird2155: IB have very few staff at LHR. These largely consisted of ticketing agent, who have already moved over to BA. The agents you see presently in IB unif
36 realsim: How many times have you travelled on board an IB aircraft? I've done it many times, and I can count with the fingers of my hand the times I've met a
37 laca773: The A340 flight will probably board via a remote stand. Will any other IB cities be added to T5? I think we'll see IAG eventually drop this BOB stuff
38 skipness1E: No, it really won't. As has been stated above, it's mainly the A343 we see and even the A346 fits onto T5 nicely. I would imagine that where possible
39 ATL: T5 is a beautiful terminal, with the airline occupying it being a great airline as well. Am the only one who would have a problem with an airline in t
40 nclmedic: My better half lives in MAD so I've been flying back forth 7-8 times a year, admittedly not always with IB, but often enough. Of course, there have b
41 SKAirbus: I was part of the testing of T5 back in 2008 and back then there were Virgin A340-600s parked alongside T5B and also T5C when it was being constructe
42 lhr380: You must be flying a different BA then me then
43 SKAirbus: I fly Club a lot with work and you expect a certain level of service that just isn't there. Crew having general chit chat over the drinks trolleys, r
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