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UA To Launch EWR To Bozeman (BZN)?  
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16859 posts, RR: 51
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9939 times:

The local media in Montana are making it sound like an announcement is imminent, as in later today.

http://www.kxlf.com/news/bozeman-air...irect-flight-to-newark-new-jersey/

http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/30403088/detail.html


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9847 times:

Wow. I cannot believe this one. As if flights to SFO, DEN, ORD aren't enough. This must operate a few times a week. My guess is it's going to be on an A319


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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9818 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 2):
Wow. I cannot believe this one. As if flights to SFO, DEN, ORD aren't enough. This must operate a few times a week. My guess is it's going to be on an A319

Doesn't the article say Saturday only out of EWR ?


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9732 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 3):

You are right. 1x weekly. I'm calling it as a 319/320 though.



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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9676 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 2):
My guess is it's going to be on an A319

I think that's a good guess  


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9678 times:
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Okay, currently BZN gets a mix of CR2s and Q400s to DEN; Q400s to SEA; CR2s to SLC; CR7s to ORD; and one 319 to MSP . In all cases fares into BZN are through the roof (almost $700 one-way from ORD). However, I'm guessing from the wording of the announcement that Bozeman -- really a college town -- now fancies itself as a Jackson Hole replacement.

Even Billings -- to the east of Bozeman and Montana's financial center -- hasn't been able to sustain direct service to the east coast.

So I'll be the first to ask it: "What's Bozeman's draw for New Yorkers?"

[Edited 2012-02-08 06:58:23]

User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9638 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):
What's Bozeman's draw for New Yorkers

It's *only* 120ish seats each way per week. It's not like they've started daily service.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9635 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 4):
You are right. 1x weekly. I'm calling it as a 319/320 though.

Probably correct. I think that's the smallest plane in the UA/CO fleet that have the range for the route reliably westbound? E-jets are listed with a still air range of just above EWR-BZN, but can't imagine them not running into headwinds.


User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 650 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9624 times:

I don't understand why UA insists on cramming passengers into regional jets on the Chicago to Montana flights! I've taken the ORD-FCO flight when going to Glacier Park (beautiful by-the-way!) and the outbound actual flight time was 3:25 (corrected after looking at my flight log) ... we were all pretty anxious by the time the plane landed. Does anyone think that the flights out of ORD will ever go mainline?

[Edited 2012-02-08 07:09:24]

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9589 times:

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 9):

I don't understand why UA insists on cramming passengers into regional jets on the Chicago to Montana flights! I've taken the ORD-FCO flight when going to Glacier Park (beautiful by-the-way!) and the outbound actual flight time was 3:10 ... we were all pretty anxious by the time the plane landed. Does anyone think that the flights out of ORD will ever go mainline?

Maybe up to it E-jet? It's a major upgrade in pax comfort without a ridiculous jump in seat count


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9541 times:
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Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 9):
I don't understand why UA insists on cramming passengers into regional jets on the Chicago to Montana flights! I've taken the ORD-FCO flight when going to Glacier Park (beautiful by-the-way!) and the outbound actual flight time was 3:10 ... we were all pretty anxious by the time the plane landed. Does anyone think that the flights out of ORD will ever go mainline?

Pray that it remains a CR7.

One of the IAH-IAD round-trips has gone from CR7 to CR2 (I know, I know -- frequency rather than size -- but geez louise) .


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9482 times:

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 9):
I don't understand why UA insists on cramming passengers into regional jets on the Chicago to Montana flights! I've

They do longer than that. Try MCI/OKC-SFO with strong headwinds on a CR7! At the very least, the CR7 is a very fast regional jet.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 8):
I think that's the smallest plane in the UA/CO fleet that have the range for the route reliably westbound? E-jets are listed with a still air range of just above EWR-BZN, but can't imagine them not running into headwinds.

Yeah a 170 wouldn't be able to do EWR-BZN at least reliably. They can do 3.5-4 hour runs but that's really stretching the limit. They could use a 73G maybe, but those birds seem to be desired in other parts of the UA network (ORD/IAD caribbean, most recently.)

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 11):

One of the IAH-IAD round-trips has gone from CR7 to CR2 (I know, I know -- frequency rather than size -- but geez louise) .

But don't they have 757s on IAD-IAH too?



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9483 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 11):
One of the IAH-IAD round-trips has gone from CR7 to CR2 (I know, I know -- frequency rather than size -- but geez louise) .

So "mainline only" for hub-to-hub is not a requirement I guess.

I've once tried DL JFK-ORD on a CR2 as well.... WTH


User currently offlineunited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9423 times:

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 9):
I don't understand why UA insists on cramming passengers into regional jets on the Chicago to Montana flights! I've taken the ORD-FCO flight when going to Glacier Park (beautiful by-the-way!) and the outbound actual flight time was 3:25 (corrected after looking at my flight log) ... we were all pretty anxious by the time the plane landed. Does anyone think that the flights out of ORD will ever go mainline?

I am guessing you mean FCA  

If UA could fill an A319 daily ORD-FCA, I am sure they would do it. I flown the CR7 ORD-ASE many times and don't mind it all...I will take the non-stop anyday over a stop in DEN (nothing against DEN, great airport, prefer non-stop), even if my ORD-DEN flight was a 763 or 772...

I will be doing ORD-FCA this summer with my wife and 21 month old...3.5 hours of travel time with no chance for a missed connection vs. 5.5 hours of travel time (best case scenario) with chance of missed connection...

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 10):
Maybe up to it E-jet? It's a major upgrade in pax comfort without a ridiculous jump in seat count

Of course the E170 would be awesome as I prefer the 2-2 layout over a 3-3 737/A320 layout anyday!


User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9365 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 13):
So "mainline only" for hub-to-hub is not a requirement I guess.

Each subsidiary UA/CO has the provision in their pilot contracts of "mainline only" on hub to hub routes. However, this only means they can't fly between EWR-IAH, not necessarily EWR-IAD, or as was previously mentioned, IAD-IAH. I would imagine that the Hub-to-Hub restriction of ML only would be reinstated after the merger, with the possible exception of EWR-IAD as that is such a short flight.


User currently offlineAS739BSI From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9352 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):

DEN has 1x daily 320 on UA and E90 on F9. SLC now has E75 for 1x and SFO is up to CR7. ORD is going to 3x daily and ATL is going to 2x weekly. BZN has Big Sky Resort which has no crowds, that is a better draw than crowded Colorado. In the summer, there is a massive addition to capacity with mainline to ORD and MSP additions.


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5403 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9309 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):
However, I'm guessing from the wording of the announcement that Bozeman -- really a college town -- now fancies itself as a Jackson Hole replacement.

Bozeman has access to Big Sky, which boasts superior skiing vs. Jackson and could easily be a good, cheaper competitor... if only it weren't so damned hard to get there.


User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9293 times:

I just flew into BZN yesterday (MSP-BZN) and I'm watching the local news right now, and an ad just came on that said G4 is starting BZN-OAK in April. Was that previously announced, or might that be the new flight?

Edit: Whoops, I see that was announced on January 24. However, looking at BZN's website, they are branding themselves as a Yellowstone airport. Could this be partially behind a flight to EWR?

[Edited 2012-02-08 07:50:43]


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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2221 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9212 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):
So I'll be the first to ask it: "What's Bozeman's draw for New Yorkers?"
Quoting Web (Reply 18):
However, looking at BZN's website, they are branding themselves as a Yellowstone airport. Could this be partially behind a flight to EWR?

Web, I think you are correct.

BZN is the closest airport to the northern part of Yellowstone National Park. I flew to BZN 2 1/2 years ago, and I was in Yellowstone via the West Yellowstone entrance (which is not the closest entrance to BZN) less than three hours after my flight landed.

JAC is a little closer to the south end of Yellowstone, and it is within sight of Grand Teton National Park, but most of the main attractions / lodging in Yellowstone are closer to BZN than JAC.

[Edited 2012-02-08 08:03:49]


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User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 650 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9133 times:

Quoting united787 (Reply 14):
I am guessing you mean FCA



Yes, I did ... thanks for pointing it out!   I can't even imagine flying ORD-FCO in a CRJ!

[Edited 2012-02-08 08:15:39]

User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 650 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9090 times:

Quoting united787 (Reply 14):
I will be doing ORD-FCA this summer with my wife and 21 month old



You will love it! Glacier Park is one of the most beautiful places I have ever been. My family and I try to go back every three years. Have a great time!


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8887 times:
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Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 12):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 11):

One of the IAH-IAD round-trips has gone from CR7 to CR2 (I know, I know -- frequency rather than size -- but geez louise) . But don't they have 757s on IAD-IAH too?


Right you are.

But the last bank of the day (meeting latest connects from the west coast) gets a CR2 for the 1182 sm flight.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 17):
if only it weren't so damned hard to get there.

No doubt why it's not talked up more around here in the DC area.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25124 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8829 times:

Its a SCASD route.

Bozeman has about $1.7mil over two years to develop air-service link to NYC - which is the regions largest generator of tourism without current nonstop air-service.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8748 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 22):
But the last bank of the day (meeting latest connects from the west coast) gets a CR2 for the 1182 sm flight.

Haha but that's easily avoidable. It's the same with ATL-IAH. There's a CR2 on that route (not sure why though.)



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3059 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8752 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):
So I'll be the first to ask it: "What's Bozeman's draw for New Yorkers?"

Lots of tourism. Close to Yellowstone National Park; ski areas; fishing; wild Montana.

As others have noted, FCA is close to Glacier National Park. JAC is close to (actually within the boundaries of) Grand Tetons National Park.

All three airports have excellent tourism potential for additional service.


25 redzeppelin : I've been lurking on A.net for a long time, and finally subscribed so I can speak up about my (current) hometown airport. BZN opened a major new termi
26 Buddys747 : They are also expanding the terminal when I was there last January. Nice little airport, and yes, Big Sky resort is some of the best skiing out there,
27 AS739BSI : Most summers UA bumps ORD to mainline and BIL will still be top dog for a few more years but BZN is expected to pass BIL. If EWR is added, I am betti
28 gothamspotter : It's official, and it will be on a 737-500.
29 LAXintl : Yeah I just saw - Saturday service commencing June 9 - September 1st. EWR-BZN 0825-1107 BZN-EWR 1200-1800 Low risk route for both parties, and have th
30 TOMMY767 : I see that too. A sucky plane to be on for 4.5 hours. I recall when CO did EWR-TUS on a 735 and it didn't seem all too appealing.
31 Post contains links redzeppelin : You could be right, but I've heard conjecture that BZN will take over this year. According to this article, BZN already has more passenger service to
32 Post contains images CODC10 : Pretty miserable in back, but better than an RJ or no service at all. Even F on that airplane is no bargain with only 2 rows at 37" pitch. At least E
33 BoeingGuy : A lot less sucky than having to connect at MSP and maybe taking 9 hours to get there rather than 4.5 hours. What were you expecting, a Boeing BBJ fit
34 BEG2IAH : Big Sky has 150 runs (21 lifts). They always have snow and it's amazing skiing. Jackson Hole has 116 runs (15 lifts). None is cheap, but Big Sky is b
35 TOMMY767 : What was said earlier in the thread -- an A319 or an A320. This has to be one of the longest 735 routes out there.
36 gigneil : Nah. They flew them further in the past, for sure. NS
37 Post contains links bjorn14 : I heard a lot of them belong to this... http://www.yellowstoneclub.com/
38 Post contains links LAXintl : Yellowstone Mountain Club is getting its own air-service Yellowstone/Big Sky To Gain Air Service (by LAXintl Feb 1 2012 in Civil Aviation)
39 AZNCSA4QF744ER : I believe this is a "CO" operated flight flown by "UAX"! Under the current contract for UA, IAH is not yet define as a hub. Going forward we know tha
40 kgaiflyer : Years ago, EWR-SLC was a 735 -- the even further.
41 RDH3E : No, it's not. You're mis-interpreting the meaning of either what I said, or what the contract says. Management and the Unions have come to agreement
42 jblua320 : The -500 isn't a bad airplane for this route. I think it's Y seat is a lot more comfy than the newer seats being installed on the -700, -800 and -900
43 EWRkid1990 : back in July of '02 I flew EWR-SLC on a jam packed CO 737-800...I always wondered why they drew it down to a 500 and eventually ended the service...
44 kgaiflyer : Some may be thinking of the old "Shuttle by United" 735s which didn't have E+ and were a bit cramped. When the CO planes are reconfigured with 8 F se
45 RDH3E : Are we sure they are reconfiguring the 735's, or at least sure they are doing all of them? I thought they were retiring 19 of the 26 this year?
46 dsuairptman : That argument of frequency over size is BS. Smisek has RJs running routes they shouldn't be on simply because it supposedly saves him $, that he can
47 drerx7 : Not yet, 738 (maybe an occasional 739) is the largest. The 757 is supposed to start April 1st. Not exactly... Since the merger is not fully complete
48 fshplns : Have been on the CO735 several times SJO-EWR, makes it easily. CO used to run the 735 all the time on that route
49 Stapleton : Delta's website is showing they will operate 757s between BZN and ATL this summer on Thursdays and Saturdays. Don't they usually use 737-800s?
50 JasonCRH : That is SO wrong. It's not like "greedy executives" just take money and stick it in their pockets by operating a smaller rather than a larger airplane
51 RWA380 : I think some NY elite have homes in the area, I believe David Letterman lives in MT and works in NY, he can't be the only wealthy city worker/dweller
52 fshplns : Just verified it, at the present shows CO1547 leaving EWR at 825am with a 735.
53 TOMMY767 : wonderful. Really? Some people are stating that the A319/A320 aren't as nice as the 735? Are y'all smoking something?
54 drerx7 : Well, the 319/320s have overhead monitors and they are a little (and I mean a little) more spacious. They also have E+. Once the 735s get E+ it'll be
55 kgaiflyer : From reply #44: "When the CO planes are reconfigured with 8 F seats and 24 E+ seats, they should accommodate 108 passengers."
56 TOMMY767 : With the 319/320 versus the 735 it's a no brainer. The Airbuses have newer and better seats, overhead LCD screens, E+ and channel 9. The 735s don't h
57 RDH3E : So technically, there won't be an issue until the Pilots sign a combined agreement right? I'm not familiar with the CO Pilots agreement, but the UA a
58 CODC10 : Not to my knowledge. UA is trying to unload them (and the 762ER) as fast as they can. 7 737-524s are leaving the fleet in 2012, along with 5 757-222s
59 TOMMY767 : As far as I'm concerned, they cannot leave fast enough.
60 ORDBOSEWR : It is my understanding that 737-5 will NOT get E+. This is based on the current upgrade thread. another 737-5 just left the fleet in the past week...
61 RDH3E : Are we sure that having the 735 in there isn't just a placeholder for a later change? June 9 is still a long way out.
62 Post contains links AS739BSI : http://bozemanairport.com/news-detail.php?id=143 aircraft confirmed A319 w/ 8 F and 112 Y seats.
63 RWA380 : [quote=RDH3E,reply=61]Are we sure that having the 735 in there isn't just a placeholder for a later change? June 9 is still a long way out. Guess you
64 Post contains images TOMMY767 : Kewl. I was right
65 CONTACREW : I wouldnt jump right to excitement about having an A319 on the route. Both Continental.com and United.com are still listing the aircraft as 735. A 73
66 TOMMY767 : And UA is the king of dummy schedules 90+ days out.
67 Post contains images kgaiflyer :
68 TOMMY767 : But then again it's no superior to a US Airbus of classic 737, AA S80, DL Airbus or M88 either. Definitely the lowest grade mainline aircraft in the
69 koruman : No wonder every US airline goes bust every few years. This is insane. What a shame that when they do go bust they are allowed to "reorganize" instead
70 Post contains images kgaiflyer : I'm guessing ones closely allied to those who take the AC 319s to Banff (well . . . actually Calgary) year-round or the ones who fly EWR-EGE on CO 75
71 TOMMY767 : It doesn't matter because it's likely going to be an A319 instead.
72 RWA380 : Lot's of elite NY celeb types have huge properties in the Rocky Mountain West, I said before, David Letterman has his home in Montana, Ralph Laurens
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