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787 Test Flight In The Air Right Now...  
User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2693 posts, RR: 15
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20721 times:

Any ideas as to what they'll be 'writing' or trying to pass over every state or what this one will be?

17 hours left in the air!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE236

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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20754 times:

Wow.... So that means they SERIOUSLY planned for a flight that long? Pretty cool!


Finally made it to an airline mecca!
User currently offlineUnited727 From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20663 times:

Is this one of the GEnx frames?


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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21507 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20666 times:

"787-8" looks plausible right now. The 7 is formed, and they are working on the 8?


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User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20633 times:

It looks like they're going to write 787. They might be writing more than that, but the filed route doesn't make any sense yet...



EDIT: The purple line (with the dots) is the route already flown. The green line is the planned route.

[Edited 2012-02-09 16:11:01]


Last Flight(s): YHZ-YYZ-YHZ.....Next Flight(s): YHZ-YYZ-IAH // IAH-SEA-YYJ // YYJ-YYZ-YHZ
User currently offlinepoLOT From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2158 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20628 times:

Quoting GoBoeing (Thread starter):
Any ideas as to what they'll be 'writing' or trying to pass over every state or what this one will be?

Based on the filed flight path "787" followed by the Boeing logo. Zoom out a little.

[Edited 2012-02-09 16:11:17]

User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20580 times:

Quoting poLOT (Reply 5):
Based on the filed flight path "787" followed by the Boeing logo. Zoom out a little.

I'm glad to see the sense of humour!   



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User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2693 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20550 times:

I see it displaying on mine now. This is cool. 787, next to the logo, on a 19 hour domestic flight!

User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 20544 times:

Quoting poLOT (Reply 5):
Based on the filed flight path "787" followed by the Boeing logo. Zoom out a little.

NOW it makes sense...



EDIT: The purple line is the route already flown. The green line is the planned route. Ignore the other red/orange lines (the red is the flight plan for another flight while the orange is a time zone divider).

[Edited 2012-02-09 16:18:45]


Last Flight(s): YHZ-YYZ-YHZ.....Next Flight(s): YHZ-YYZ-IAH // IAH-SEA-YYJ // YYJ-YYZ-YHZ
User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 20517 times:

Flightaware has the full flightplan mapped out now:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...6/history/20120209/2100Z/KBFI/KBFI

Make sure to zoom out for full detail.

Tom.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21507 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 20493 times:

It's obviously "787-Arghhhh" as the flightplanner died as he was working it out.

And if anyone claims they wouldn't write "Arghhhh" as they died, I think Monty Python proved that he would...



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User currently offlinedavs5032 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 20401 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 10):
It's obviously "787-Arghhhh" as the flightplanner died as he was working it out.

I was thinking it looks like my notes when I fall asleep writing. lol


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9595 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 20292 times:

That sounds like a miserable flight test to work on. The only good think is that they'll be paying the engineers overtime to sleep! 19 hours with no hot food and a spartan flight test interior is no fun. There's only so much pacing up and down the aisle, tinkering with the lights, and review of the flight test instrumentation that can be done.


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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21507 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 20260 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 12):
That sounds like a miserable flight test to work on. The only good think is that they'll be paying the engineers overtime to sleep! 19 hours with no hot food and a spartan flight test interior is no fun. There's only so much pacing up and down the aisle, tinkering with the lights, and review of the flight test instrumentation that can be done.

Still better than flying LAX-SYD in a UA 747 in Y...  



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User currently offlineCM From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 20153 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 12):
19 hours with no hot food

Most of the 787 test birds have a microwave strapped down somewhere among the test equipment, but that's little consolation for being airborne for that long without a SQ lie-flat!

Quoting United727 (Reply 2):
Is this one of the GEnx frames?

With the obvious need to kill hours being addressed by this flight plan, it definitely looks like an F&R test - I'm with you, it looks like a part of GEnx cert.


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6287 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 20074 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 13):
Still better than flying LAX-SYD in a UA 747 in Y.

Better than LAX-HNL in a........well anything.



Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21507 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19920 times:

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 15):
Better than LAX-HNL in a........well anything.

I don't get it...



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User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19829 times:

Quoting United727 (Reply 2):

Is this one of the GEnx frames?

Yes it is, General Electric GEnx-1B engine.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5747 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19762 times:

THis may be the final F&R/ETOPs flight required for certification but I am trying to find out.


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User currently offlineSpeedbird217 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19724 times:

Thats really awesome! 

I guess they're doing this just for us (and them of course), as there are not many people in the world that care about this. Or ever see this on a flightmapper...


User currently offlinekalvado From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19651 times:

Quoting Speedbird217 (Reply 19):
I guess they're doing this just for us (and them of course), as there are not many people in the world that care about this. Or ever see this on a flightmapper...

Can it be something related to flight control software demo? For example, demonstrating capability to program and follow complex flight plans with bunch of options in a few clicks, which will be included in training videos - or something along these lines...


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6887 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19625 times:

THAT is so clever. Good on Boeing!   

User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5421 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19612 times:

That is a hoot...No need not to have a chuckle at work....


What the...?
User currently offlinemorrisond From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19595 times:

At the end of the 7 which there fling right now, do you think they'll do a loop followed by a roll (Shades of 707 Barrel Role) so the end of the 7 is clear?

User currently offlinestevenlee505 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19606 times:

Awesome. They did the same thing with the 747.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20110802/1330Z/KPAE/KPAE


User currently offlinecatdaddy63 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 20488 times:
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http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE236

It looks like they will be writing 787-8 from looking at the map. 19 hours total flight time!


User currently offlinekalvado From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 20295 times:

Quoting stevenlee505 (Reply 24):


Awesome. They did the same thing with the 747.

"747" looks much more rough compared to "787" - is that just planning thing, or some difference between the planes?


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5421 posts, RR: 30
Reply 27, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 21063 times:

Quoting kalvado (Reply 26):

A guy can get mighty parched on a long flight...you need something strong to wet the whistle.

[Edited 2012-02-09 19:45:16]


What the...?
User currently offlinestevenlee505 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 20905 times:

Looks like they're not drawing the Boeing logo anymore...

User currently offlineAirlineReporter From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 20936 times:

This is epic. Flight Aware is not showing the logo anymore and looks like it is heading back to KBFI. Lame.

I called Boeing and they would confirm a 787 is not in the air, but not what it was doing.


User currently offlineagpatel From United States of America, joined May 2008, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 21042 times:

Pic of the flight plans before they where changed for those wondering how it looked.

Here is the orginal flight plan with the logo for those who want to see it before it got changed.



-AnK
User currently offlineAirlineReporter From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 20815 times:

My bet is Flight Aware is wrong and the 787 is still making the full logo.

Any ideas on which aircraft this is?

David


User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 20758 times:

Quoting AirlineReporter (Reply 31):
Any ideas on which aircraft this is?

ZA236/LN35 N1015B for Air India. The GEnX aircraft being used for final testing.


User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 33, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 20656 times:

Quoting AirlineReporter (Reply 29):
This is epic. Flight Aware is not showing the logo anymore and looks like it is heading back to KBFI. Lame.

Flightaware has been on-again/off-again with respect to mapping this flight plan all day. Compared to a normal flight plan this one is *extremely* complex...it wouldn't surprise me if both fligthaware and ATC are having a tough time keeping up. At the moment they're not headed for BFI and they just executed a step climb (flightaware altitude plot) so they sure don't look like they're headed home or diverting...the filed time also hasn't changed on flightaware.

I'd bet on the mapping getting messed up again. Have to wait until the morning to see what they actually get done.

Tom.


User currently offlineintsim From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 20479 times:

Are they returning home via their previous routings or how does that part work?

User currently offlineandytb77 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 20627 times:

Looks to me like they are definitely still doing the logo; FlightAware map just not keeping up. They currently look like they are flying the lower portion of the logo. Compare this shot with the one by agpatel (Reply 30):



User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2783 posts, RR: 4
Reply 36, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 20575 times:
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Boeing this would be an ideal time to practice diversions, especially when you're around say GFK. Ill be there at a moments notice .
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User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20383 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 36):
Boeing this would be an ideal time to practice diversions, especially when you're around say GFK. Ill be there at a moments notice

I'm in my PJ's but there is NO chance I'd miss it is she decided to grace GFK with a visit!



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User currently offlineamwest2united From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20173 times:
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Someone should send this to CNN and see if they would pick it up.


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User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 542 posts, RR: 3
Reply 39, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 20103 times:

Looks like I got off work at the center a bit too early to work the flight. Would have been a fun one.

Quoting amwest2united (Reply 38):

Its CNN, I can already hear the report: "A Bombardier A797 is flying the Airbus logo on a test flight. Wait, this just in, CNN has obtained an exclusive interview with Al Sharpton who has just filed a lawsuit against Boeing for the flight only covering the northern states."



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User currently offlinetimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 19920 times:

They are still at it on flightaware and working on the logo. Cool.

Wonder if fox is reporting on an a380 making an airbus logo right over the ICBM fields of the Dakotas and threatening american liberty, with NORAD moving to defcon 2 over the stunt, sending the bombers to Toulouse as we speak....   


User currently offlineSpeedbird217 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 16400 times:

Quoting kalvado (Reply 20):
Can it be something related to flight control software demo? For example, demonstrating capability to program and follow complex flight plans with bunch of options in a few clicks, which will be included in training videos - or something along these lines...

I doubt you will ever need to program a flightplan that complex in daily service 
And since you need to enter all the waypoints into the FMC as coordinates anyway (it would be scary if you could write that with existing navaids) this will take forever in any case. I guess somebody at Boeing testflight-dispatch created this on his computer and they just loaded it via Co-Routes into the FMC.
We will probably never know what Boeing was doing there, most likely it's just for fun

Quoting timpdx (Reply 40):
Wonder if fox is reporting on an a380 making an airbus logo right over the ICBM fields of the Dakotas and threatening american liberty, with NORAD moving to defcon 2 over the stunt, sending the bombers to Toulouse as we speak....

This made my day 


User currently offlinedsaf From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2009, 77 posts, RR: 5
Reply 42, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 16255 times:
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http://www.dsaf.co.uk/boe787.jpg

Making the full logo - very clever!



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User currently offlineSpeedbird217 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 15972 times:

If they would have expanded the lower right triangle a little further, they could have connected Seattle with Chicago 
I love Boeing, shows some serious dedication and a good sense of humor.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 44, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 15995 times:

The B-787-8 is a most wonderful aircraft. I enjoyed every minute of the flight while I was on board the first inaugural long haul flight from Frankfurt to Haneda. It's all in my trip report.

This is wonderful of Boeing that they worked this 787 in the sky with the logo. It was probably most difficult to put in place. I am happy to see that they have reached their goal.

I loved flying on the very first long haul B-787-8 passenger flight with ANA!

        

ANA 787
We Fly 1st!

Congratulations to Boeing!



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User currently offlinekl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 14856 times:

This is amazing, who would thought that an airplane can draw better than me.

And trust be I would do anything to be on this flight than IAD to ACC on UA 767.



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User currently offlineunited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 14286 times:

Quoting dsaf (Reply 42):
Making the full logo - very clever!

That is awesome!


User currently offlineBEG2IAH From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 955 posts, RR: 18
Reply 47, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13390 times:
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I wish this could've been a mileage run. I would do it in a heartbeat. I see they spent quite a bit of time at 43000 feet. Nice.

BEG2IAH



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 48, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13289 times:

Quoting BEG2IAH (Reply 47):
I wish this could've been a mileage run. I would do it in a heartbeat.

Oh... me too... but only with the ANA 787 as it is the only one taking passengers at this point in time.

Fat chance we get the possibility to fly on a Boeing testing aircraft!

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineairplanenut From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12827 times:

Just watched it land a few minutes ago... great day to be working 10 feet from a window across the street from the BFI tower!


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User currently offlineBEG2IAH From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 955 posts, RR: 18
Reply 50, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12760 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 48):
Fat chance we get the possibility to fly on a Boeing testing aircraft!

That would be even better. A ton of space and bunch of engineers you can bug with questions about every bolt and switch on that beautiful plane. I guess they wouldn't stop the testing to kick me out.  

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User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 51, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12698 times:

10,408 mile flight, very impressed.


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12543 times:

787 Permalink
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...6/history/20120209/2100Z/KBFI/KBFI


The 748 also had a long flight when it crossed over every state lower 48,
in case anybody missed it,
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...0/history/20111102/2100Z/KPAE/KPAE



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 53, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 12529 times:

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 51):
10,408 mile flight, very impressed.


I am not surprised. The Trent equipped 787-8 is a most amazing aircraft. I am sure the GenX equipped machine must be just as efficient.

Our JA805A was fast. We were put on hold doing the rounds before they gave the go for landing at Frankfurt airport. We could have landed much earlier if not for the holding pattern.

Our HND-FRA went like a breeze with the brand new beauty.

Also the pilots on a highly publicized passenger flight will not to take the same freedom flying their plane as the Boeing test pilots.

Congratulations to the Boeing team!

[Edited 2012-02-10 09:12:23]


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User currently offlineBEG2IAH From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 955 posts, RR: 18
Reply 54, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12121 times:
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Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 52):
787 Permalink

The 748 also had a long flight when it crossed over every state lower 48

71Zulu, thanks for the links.

BEG2IAH



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User currently offlinekurbitur From Iceland, joined May 2010, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12054 times:

This is cool but WHY? .... is there a reason for this why they are drawing 787 on the radar? ..or is it just for fun?

User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2510 posts, RR: 7
Reply 56, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11924 times:

Quoting dsaf (Reply 42):

That's awesome - what a creative way to conduct a test flight. Hats off to the folks who planned this and kudos to the crew that flew it. And of course a thumbs up to the wonderful 787 for performing the flight. The day is getting closer when I'll be able to enjoy a journey on one in commercial service leaving right out of my home airport of SEA


User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 57, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11954 times:

So far I have checked the BBC site and a couple other EU sites and they have not yet reported that EASA in conjunction with Airbus, NAACP and other bodies establied to protect discrimination intend to file legal action against Boeing for doing such a despicable event, it is not that they wrote 787 with the Boeing logo in the sky but the fact that they only did Boeing, all the Federal aid that Boeing receives is supposed to protect the innocents against such callous corporate behaviour 

On a serious note, I do not know if Airbus or any other OEM has done such, but one must give hats off to Boeing and their staff for not only coming up with such a PR thought but management also signing off on it, I'm certain they knew that us aviation buffs would have seen the flight up and eventually picked up on the intent, after all, it's what we do.

Now how the hell did they fly that upside down or in a mirror to have the writing legible like that?

Cheers


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30886 posts, RR: 87
Reply 58, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11823 times:
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Quoting kurbitur (Reply 55):
This is cool but WHY? .... is there a reason for this why they are drawing 787 on the radar? ..or is it just for fun?

Well they needed to log that many miles and hours, so they decided to have a bit of fun doing so.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2095 posts, RR: 4
Reply 59, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11614 times:

Quoting kurbitur (Reply 55):
but WHY? .... is there a reason for this why they are drawing 787 on the radar? ..or is it just for fun?

If they tried a picture of Bart Simpson, Fox would have got them for copyright infringement.

Things like this happens. Back in the time when the company directory was still printed out on paper, "they" slipped in many fictional characters into the company directory just for fun.

bt



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User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5049 posts, RR: 15
Reply 60, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11577 times:

Can you imagine the tower controller when they called for clearance....."Boeing two three six heavy,

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 52):
The 748 also had a long flight when it crossed over every state lower 48,
in case anybody missed it,

Make that 46. They completely dissed West Virginia and missed Rhode Island by just a mile or two.  

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User currently offlinetrigged From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 11210 times:

Quoting kurbitur (Reply 55):

This is cool but WHY? .... is there a reason for this why they are drawing 787 on the radar? ..or is it just for fun?

Maybe because writing a giant "FUAB" across the North American continent might have been a touch provocative and confrontational? This pattern seems much more civilized.  


User currently offlineSpeedbird217 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 11271 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 58):

On a serious note, I do not know if Airbus or any other OEM has done such

Nah, Airbus thinks painting stuff in the sky is a waste of time. They rather demonstrate the VTOL capabilites of their aircraft for everybody to see, like on this A346 before delivery in TLS a few years back...WHOOPS! They almost got certification for Aircraft Carriers...
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/aircraft-pictures/etihadlarge.jpg

[Edited 2012-02-10 10:57:39]

[Edited 2012-02-10 10:58:41]

User currently offlineGingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 63, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10833 times:

Quoting Speedbird217 (Reply 62):

Nah, Airbus thinks painting stuff in the sky is a waste of time. They rather demonstrate the VTOL capabilites of their aircraft for everybody to see, like on this A346 before delivery in TLS a few years back...WHOOPS! They almost got certification for Aircraft Carriers...

I laughed harder than I probably should have.



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User currently offlineBEG2IAH From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 955 posts, RR: 18
Reply 64, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10606 times:
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Quoting Speedbird217 (Reply 62):
Nah, Airbus thinks painting stuff in the sky is a waste of time. They rather demonstrate the VTOL capabilites of their aircraft for everybody to see, like on this A346 before delivery in TLS a few years back...WHOOPS! They almost got certification for Aircraft Carriers...

I almost chocked on this sandwich I'm eating. Awesome! 

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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10491 times:

Quoting Bruce (Reply 60):
Make that 46. They completely dissed West Virginia and missed Rhode Island by just a mile or two.

The FA map must not have recorded the track exactly. In Randy's blog he talks about it and shows the Google Earth map with the track showing hitting them all.

http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archives/2011/11/ive_been_everywhere.html

Quote:
Some of you pointed out that this map from our friends at Flight Aware shows we missed West Virginia and Rhode Island. But we’ve double checked our own telemetry to verify that we did indeed pass over all 48. That includes flying into the eastern portion of West Virginia— and grazing the state of Rhode Island with the airplane’s left wing. Now that’s what I call a detailed analysis!



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User currently offlineglideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9828 times:

Love it!   


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User currently offlinedavs5032 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9611 times:

Quoting Bruce (Reply 60):
Make that 46. They completely dissed West Virginia and missed Rhode Island by just a mile or two.

I think this came up in a thread a couple of days after the 748 flight but it did actually cross over those two states, but a Flight Aware mistake made it look otherwise. I think Boeing actually confirmed in a blog that they had in fact included WV and RI.

...ah yes! Found the article giving the correct route:

http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archives/2011/11/ive_been_everywhere.html


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 68, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9653 times:

Quoting Speedbird217 (Reply 62):
Airbus thinks painting stuff in the sky is a waste of time.

They like deconstructing aircrafts...

 

though I heard the 346 had Etihad pilots in the flight deck and got it chopped off from the body!

 



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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2095 posts, RR: 4
Reply 69, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8763 times:

Just curious,

Could Airbus done some thing like this? Is there space enough above Europe to file such a flight plan without impacting flying traffic? Would they have to do it over the mid Atlantic?

bt



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User currently offlineSpeedbird217 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8558 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 69):

Could Airbus done some thing like this? Is there space enough above Europe to file such a flight plan without impacting flying traffic? Would they have to do it over the mid Atlantic?

I don't think it should be a problem to do something like that in Europe. Of course it's busy like hell in the airspace, but looking at the 787 flightpath, they must have passed some pretty congested areas in the Northern US as well.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 68):
though I heard the 346 had Etihad pilots in the flight deck and got it chopped off from the body!

IDK to be honest who was in the flight deck. I tried to read the accident report, but it's only in French and 4 years of French in school and not speaking that language afterwards doesn't really help 

Back at the time I heard they did override a lot of safety systems and forgot to set the parking brake while performing engine testruns... I don't know if that was indeed the case but it would be very embarrassing. The brand new aircraft in question was written off and I read somewhere that the last engine stopped running only 7 hrs after the accident happened when fuel run out, since there was no system connected anymore to control the engine with the complete cockpit section gone...


User currently offlineFlyingCello From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8408 times:

Well done Boeing...good to see a corporate sense of fun!

User currently offlinekl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7648 times:

I am not a big fun of AC but I can't wait for them to get their 787. I will book a flight with them to anywhere just to be on this amazing A/C. By the way does anyone knows when they are to get theirs?


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User currently offlineairlineecon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7544 times:

This was really cool. I sent the link to all my non-airline buff friends and they liked it as well.

Couple observations
1. Looks like the flight did too much double tracking along the 8. They could have left it unfinished on the east bound portion and finished off the 8 on the west bound portion after completing the boeing logo. Maybe a math guy could calculate the most efficient route to draw this design without "lifting the pen off the paper"

2. Pretty neat to look at the the groundspeed plot, you really get a good sense of headweight, tailwind, cross wind effects. Linear flight plans have a more or less constant groundspeed.


User currently online4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3011 posts, RR: 9
Reply 74, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7416 times:

Quoting airlineecon (Reply 73):
Couple observations
1. Looks like the flight did too much double tracking along the 8.

I'm more surprised that they nicely rounded the logo and did a square 8! Guess that would have made the flight planning just too messy!



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21507 posts, RR: 60
Reply 75, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7275 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 57):

At least they didn't enter Canadian air space or they would have been prosecuted for not spelling out 787 in French...

Quoting 4holer (Reply 74):
I'm more surprised that they nicely rounded the logo and did a square 8! Guess that would have made the flight planning just too messy!

Me too. 8 is really lazy work, but maybe they needed to do it that way for some reason.



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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 76, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7055 times:

Quoting kurbitur (Reply 55):
This is cool but WHY?

If you have to fly for a particular period of time or distance, you need something to do. Flying a holding pattern for 18 hours achieves the same testing objective but is far less interesting and doesn't do much for publicity or goodwill.

Quoting Speedbird217 (Reply 70):
looking at the 787 flightpath, they must have passed some pretty congested areas in the Northern US as well.

The Northern US doesn't really have any congested areas at altitude until you get farther over to the East. Although there are a couple of busy airports near that flight plan, all that action is down low.

Quoting airlineecon (Reply 73):
1. Looks like the flight did too much double tracking along the 8. They could have left it unfinished on the east bound portion and finished off the 8 on the west bound portion after completing the boeing logo. Maybe a math guy could calculate the most efficient route to draw this design without "lifting the pen off the paper"

If you have to fly for a particular period of time or distance, you do what you have to do to "fold the path" into what you want. Flight testing is almost never about getting from A to B efficiently.

Tom.


User currently offlineredrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 229 posts, RR: 2
Reply 77, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6918 times:

ZA236 landed on fumes when she was done, she landed at 126kts speed. Talk about being empty!


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User currently online4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3011 posts, RR: 9
Reply 78, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6567 times:

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 77):
ZA236 landed on fumes when she was done, she landed at 126kts speed. Talk about being empty!

I'd noticed that on the 748 flight that spelled 747, the "messiness" of that may have been caused by a realization that they didn't have enough fuel to do it right and had to "cut some corners" and head back more directly.



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User currently offlinemusang From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 864 posts, RR: 7
Reply 79, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5556 times:

Quoting airlineecon (Reply 73):
Pretty neat to look at the the groundspeed plot, you really get a good sense of headweight, tailwind, cross wind effects. Linear flight plans have a more or less constant groundspeed.

I would think the reason for the low speed parts was to reduce the turn radii.

Another reference in case there's anything to add....

http://www.airlinereporter.com/2012/...-787-is-making-designs-in-the-air/

Regards - musang


User currently offlineCM From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 80, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5521 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 78):
may have been caused by a realization that they didn't have enough fuel to do it right

Neither Boeing, Airbus, nor any reputable operator would ever find themselves in a situation where they have dispatched an aircraft with inadequate fuel to complete the primary mission - doing so would be a massive breach of both the law and professionalism. Exceptions to this would only be in the case of some unplanned event like exceptional unpredicted winds or an aircraft problem which resulted in higher fuel burn. Any legally operated flight (whether a test aircraft or not) departs with carefully planned trip fuel, plus reserves for holding, plus contingency fuel to support an alternate.


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2095 posts, RR: 4
Reply 81, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5429 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 75):
Quoting 4holer (Reply 74):
I'm more surprised that they nicely rounded the logo and did a square 8! Guess that would have made the flight planning just too messy!

Me too. 8 is really lazy work, but maybe they needed to do it that way for some reason.

Me three. I mean, if they were fastidious enough to re-trace the logo flight to avoid extraneous lines as they made their way back to Seattle, they could have at least do a double octagon for the 8's.

bt



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User currently offlinesolarflyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 1045 posts, RR: 3
Reply 82, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow...cross-north-america-163127660.html

User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5005 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 52):
The 748 also had a long flight when it crossed over every state lower 48,
in case anybody missed it,
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B.../KPAE

They seemed to have missed Rhode Island!



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

Quoting KBUF (Reply 83):
They seemed to have missed Rhode Island!

Randy says they got them all.

http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archives/2011/11/ive_been_everywhere.html



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User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 85, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

Pretty cool stuff.



User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 86, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4503 times:

*bump*

Maybe this will avoid one or two new threads on this flight.  



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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 87, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

Quoting CM (Reply 80):
Any legally operated flight (whether a test aircraft or not) departs with carefully planned trip fuel, plus reserves for holding, plus contingency fuel to support an alternate.

That's not exactly true. The legal requirement is that you've got adequate fuel for the mission. For testing, it's usually much easier and more practical to just carry way more fuel than you need than do a detailed dispatch calculation for every flight.

Tom.


User currently offlineCM From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 88, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 87):
The legal requirement is that you've got adequate fuel for the mission.

Of course, you are correct that not every rule attached to an AOC applies to a test flight program. You have to admit, however, the notion of a Boeing F&R test flight limping in on fumes or diverging notably from the filed flight plan due to miscalculating trip fuel is a bit unrealistic. I'm pretty sure the FAA would have an opinion on it if that was how an OEM ran its flight test program. Incidentally, I flew on three ZA001 flight tests last year, including one where I took a look at the fuel uplift calculation. It had reserves for ATC hold and alternates in the plan. That flight happened to be in Europe, but I assume that practice is pretty routine?

[Edited 2012-02-16 23:29:33]

User currently offlinejuced From Australia, joined Feb 2012, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4258 times:

Hah, that is awesome, this has to be one of the biggest sky writings ever  

User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 90, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4219 times:

Quoting CM (Reply 88):
You have to admit, however, the notion of a Boeing F&R test flight limping in on fumes or diverging notably from the filed flight plan due to miscalculating trip fuel is a bit unrealistic.

Agreed.

Quoting CM (Reply 88):
I'm pretty sure the FAA would have an opinion on it if that was how an OEM ran its flight test program.

F&R is certification...not only would they have an opinion, they'd be onboard.

Quoting CM (Reply 88):
Incidentally, I flew on three ZA001 flight tests last year, including one where I took a look at the fuel uplift calculation. It had reserves for ATC hold and alternates in the plan. That flight happened to be in Europe, but I assume that practice is pretty routine?

Internationally, yes. Domestically, no, unless you're doing something really excessive (like a 19h flight). I do this type of fuel planning on a regular basis.

Tom.


User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5516 posts, RR: 18
Reply 91, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

I saw this on FB and could not believe it. That is SO cool!

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