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Why Is There A Delta 747 At BWI Today?  
User currently offlineCMK10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12756 times:

Title says pretty much everything, there's a DL 747-400 at BWI today and I'm curious as to why. Sporting charter maybe?


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User currently offlineSJUSXM From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12712 times:

That is ship 6310, the new ship with the Lie-Flat Seat mods. Our flight remarks show is is in BWI for the next few days finishing up MX and testing on those mods.


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User currently offlineDL WIDGET HEAD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2093 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12647 times:

Military charter ops.

User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12254 times:

DL currently operates 2 Channel missions for AMC

BWI-RMS-KWI-RMS-BWI
-and-
BWI-RMS-AVB-IUD-AVB-RMS-BWI

One of the missions will go to Atlas in March.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3144 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12221 times:

Quoting CMK10 (Thread starter):
there's a DL 747-400 at BWI today and I'm curious as to why
Quoting DL WIDGET HEAD (Reply 2):
Military charter ops.

This appears to be it http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8964 Arrived Thursday afternoon from Ramstein AFB Germany.

[Edited 2012-02-10 18:12:48]


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User currently onlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 12005 times:

I know the bird that came in on Thursday was 6309...not sure if this is the same one or a different one. Unless 6309 went out on Thursday evening I would assume it's the same one, although if it's 6310 I'm going to see if I can get some photos of the new seats!


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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11989 times:

I see her almost everyday when I work our inbound international flights (FL) CUN-BWI and MBJ-BWI flights 4 and 1061.
She looks massive when up front and personal! I do wish DL had at lest their jumbos in the classic Widget theme. I wouldn't even have minded a combination of the classic widget livery on the fuselage and the "Wavy Gravy" tail treatment.
The current mostly white body especially on a bird such as the 747-400 looks too generic like it's an afterthought.
BTW a couple weeks ago I got to tour her and see those cool seats. Even the main economy cabin looked inviting!
The one I toured looked like it had some years on her.


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User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 808 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11420 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 6):
The current mostly white body especially on a bird such as the 747-400 looks too generic like it's an afterthought.

They're not the only carrier doing this and I sometimes wonder if that is intentional so that should the aircraft go to another carrier or the carrier merge, it is cheaper to paint; you replace the name and do the tail. Or, maybe it is just cheaper to paint? Or maybe the airlines have lost their imagination?



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3081 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 11140 times:

Quoting flylku (Reply 7):
They're not the only carrier doing this and I sometimes wonder if that is intentional so that should the aircraft go to another carrier or the carrier merge, it is cheaper to paint; you replace the name and do the tail. Or, maybe it is just cheaper to paint? Or maybe the airlines have lost their imagination?

Like the new UA charter 744 ...

http://youtu.be/4AAhfbmm5eY



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10426 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10230 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 6):
She looks massive when up front and personal! I do wish DL had at lest their jumbos in the classic Widget theme. I wouldn't even have minded a combination of the classic widget livery on the fuselage and the "Wavy Gravy" tail treatment.

When DL first came up with this scheme, I didn't like it at all......being an old, DL veteran, I wished to see something closer to the old Widget scheme. However, I have grown to like it......I don't LOVE it, but it's ok. On a plane the size of the 744, I think the Widget and the font should be larger, though.



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User currently offlineJoshu From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9854 times:

Delta ran a 764-ER on this route a couple weeks ago into BWI.

User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10426 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9474 times:

I find it odd that DL would use the first 744 converted to the lie flats to do military charter work. You'd think they'd stick it on the TLV run, or something like that.


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3081 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9357 times:

Do we know that it's 6310?

Acars showed 6309 coming in Thursday and still there.



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User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8896 times:

Well I'm even more confused as according to flightaware N669US (ship 6309) hasn't flown since it arrived in DTW on 01/24, and N670US (ship 6310) hasn't flown since it arrived in DTW on 02/05, having flown DTW-NRT-MNL-NRT-DTW as it's inaugural flight with the new flat-bed seat mods done. So if it is ship 6310, then flightaware needs to update it's flights!

[Edited 2012-02-11 10:35:23]

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3081 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8718 times:

FA is a little behind. Acars shows 6309 flying out of BWI for the last few weeks. 6310 shows flying DTW - NRT but nothing since landing in DTW on Feb 5. If it's there, it could have ferried to BWI and just didn't show up on tracker.


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User currently onlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8574 times:

There is only one 747 here, so I am willing to bet it is still 6309. I have been here every day since it landed and it has been sitting in its usual spot.


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User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 808 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8377 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 8):
Like the new UA charter 744 ...

Yes, and I would like to know more about that aircraft and UA's charter operation but we'll get yelled at if we hijack this thread.



...are we there yet?
User currently offlinekhpn From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7988 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 8):
Like the new UA charter 744 ...

http://youtu.be/4AAhfbmm5eY
Quoting flylku (Reply 16):
Yes, and I would like to know more about that aircraft and UA's charter operation but we'll get yelled at if we hijack this thread.

this plane looks like it was an 5Y plane with their logo painted over, you can tell because the tail paint line slopes forward.
not to hijack the thread but i also would like to know more about this plane/ opperation


User currently offlineRising From United States of America, joined May 2010, 272 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7568 times:

Just drove by and it's still there, parked on the ramp off the WDS International Terminal. Oh how I wish regular customers could ride that beauty over the Atlantic from BWI!


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User currently offlinealphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7506 times:

Quoting khpn (Reply 17):

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 8):
Like the new UA charter 744 ...

http://youtu.be/4AAhfbmm5eY
Quoting flylku (Reply 16):
Yes, and I would like to know more about that aircraft and UA's charter operation but we'll get yelled at if we hijack this thread.

this plane looks like it was an 5Y plane with their logo painted over, you can tell because the tail paint line slopes forward.
not to hijack the thread but i also would like to know more about this plane/ opperation

It was actually always a UA a/c, but Atlas leased it from UA and just returned it a few months ago - I guess UA took the opportunity to do a quick repaint instead of the PMUA colors. I thought this a/c had the UA interior and Atlas left it that way. DL and UA will take a lot of the remaining charter business from the all-charter airlines - part of what is putting WO and NA under. The military (and anyone else out there) likes the forward cabin and is a nice change from the cattle cars especially when you have a DV onboard.


User currently offlinesyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2032 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6880 times:
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Quoting mayor (Reply 11):

I find it odd that DL would use the first 744 converted to the lie flats to do military charter work. You'd think they'd stick it on the TLV run, or something like that.

I can't back this up, but I'm willing to bet this is the case because it is the only bird with the new seats and they may be looking to do something like they did with LHR and being able to say all aircraft flying there have these new seats. Until they have more, this could obviously be difficult. But also like I said, I have nothing to back that up with.


User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6703 times:

According to flightaware, N669US (ship 6309) is flying DL 268 from JFK-TLV this evening. So surely someone can find out which aircraft is at BWI and whether it's still there.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N669US


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6525 times:

The boys at the MAA always assign F-17 for DL when a bird is resting between AMC trips.
All one need do is drive across Aviation Blvd to see the bird having a nap on the ramp.

An interesting side note: DL has ASIG doing the ramp work (including cleans) not their own
staff.



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3081 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6472 times:

Quoting audidudi (Reply 21):
According to flightaware, N669US (ship 6309) is flying DL 268 from JFK-TLV this evening. So surely someone can find out which aircraft is at BWI and whether it's still there.

Probably just ferried it to JFK and no 747 is there now.



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User currently offlineDLATLOpsSup From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 78 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 22):
An interesting side note: DL has ASIG doing the ramp work (including cleans) not their own
staff.

ASIG is acutally the contractor that has all the AMC military contracts, they sublet it to the commercial airlines.

Quoting FI642 (Reply 3):
DL currently operates 2 Channel missions for AMC

Acutally, and I don't have the exact number, its much more than two. We have two that go through ATL, and ASIG took them both from Atlas. The line runs DFW-ATL-HHN-KWI (and about every other one goes on to KBL), and returns the same, KWI-HHN-ATL-DFW. They've been running every other day since the last week in January. We ferry an aircraft to any number of bases then through a port such as BWI about every 5 days, and in between the reg one in ATL, we ferry another to HHN that makes a separate leg to the middle east from there. The regular legs are 76Ds (767-400s), and the ferrys are usually 76Us (767-300ERs with winglets). We've sent two 747s from ATL since starting the runs.

In ATL, ASIG handles the check in process and accepts the psgrs bags, then passes them to us for loading. There agents actually come to the gate to handle the boarding process, ususally assisted by a DL Redcoat.


25 Post contains images jetblast : I lost my own bet It's 6310, N670US. She's preparing for an 0030 departure.
26 Post contains links Joshu : There's one in the air now due to land at BWI in about 45 minutes. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8963
27 Post contains images 71Zulu : You were right all along! Yeah I was wrong too. Acars says 6310 coming back in.
28 jetblast : 6310 was back today and will be flying back to DTW at some point on its next leg.
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