dogbreath From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4282 times:
It's gonna make flying in/out of Madrid Barajas a more pleasant experience! Getting mighty tired of their childish 5kt taxying around Barajas, and their inane arguments to ATC when asked to expedite vacating the runway when you're at 2-3nm on final, despite rolling past 2 or 3 high-speed exits.
These guys and girls will want to tread carefully, as I'm sure their aware of the dire position their country is in with relation to unemployment. My question is what does IAG and Willy Walsh think of all this? He must be very disappointed, and possibly willing for a fight (BA cabin crew and BASSA - ring a bell with anyone).
The timing of Spanair's collapse is not helping SEPLA's case here either I'd imagine. On the one hand fighting to protect Iberia's T's and C's, and on the other assisting ex-Spanair crews into new employment (Iberia Express!!).
How are passengers taking it and is it affecting Iberia?
If I were in Madrid and needed to fly somewhere where another airline flies, I'd take the other airline for the next couple of weeks, even if it's easyJet or Ryanair. I'd rather get a lower service than no service at all.
I hope they launch IB Express soon and the pilots get over this and start doing what they get paid for doing: flying the planes.
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6184 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1912 times:
Quoting seven3seven (Reply 5): What would you do if you were an airline pilot and instead of working with the pilots management just created another airline? You think thats fair?
The company is trying to hurt the pilots. The pilots have very little to fight back with if management isnt playing fair.
Sorry it hurts the customers but this is the management's fault, not the pilots.
I would agree with you if these were normal economic times. Thing is, Spain is in its worst economic shape since their Civil War and at times like these, a company needs to do whatever it takes to survive. The number of companies going under in Spain on a daily basis is far out there and their unemployment rate, already one of the highest in the world keeps rising.
Everyone in Spain is hurting and suffering, and things won´t get better soon. Everyone is doing their part. If it takes to build a new airline to survive, then so be it. As far as the company trying to "hurt the pilots" that is just ludicrous. When were these things personal?
The only people being hurt here are the IB pilots, by their own hand. Brinkmanship is never a good negotiating tactic, unless one part has the winning card and knows it. The IB pilots don´t have it. They keep at this, IB will become an LCC without them. Wether it´s called IB or whatever. Remember MX? No airline is indispensable.
As for your assertion about the customers, you don´t seem to have a good idea about service industries, nor any regard for those who actually pay. I´m surprised, as you are an actual airline pilot.
There are many ways to get to MAD. IB was never a good airline, servicewise and are known for those bound to Europe (among those who have a choice) to be the airline to avoid. Heck, AM´s C service is not SQ grade but I´ll take them anytime over IB. Now this crap? Talk about a union shooting itself on the foot.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. SEPLA needs to get that.
ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5219 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1698 times:
Quoting seven3seven (Reply 5): Sorry it hurts the customers but this is the management's fault, not the pilots.
An airline is a teamwork. All to fault.
And to make it worst for Spain, pilots are kicking their nation on the butt hitting them on tourism.
I really see no point of IB's pilots by cancelling some days more flights some other days less flights. Vázquez is a wise person and the way I see it, Iberia short haul will be over in the next 3-4 years. All will turn into Iberia Express. SEPLA if it really wants to do something they must stop everything., not a few flights.
They might be even helping in a way flying less, and getting higher loads the rest of the days.
The questions is how are bookings doing and what action is to be announced for March.
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
LHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1607 times:
Like BA and BASSA, it's the wrong battle at the wrong time.
All of the legacy carriers in Europe are struggling with short-haul operations at the moment. Note how Finnair announced the possible outsourcing of its entire short-haul operation recently. Simply cutting short-haul capacity (which Iberia has done significantly) isn't the answer. Network coverage and frequencies are needed to support long-haul.
If Iberia can't launch Iberia Express, Iberia pilots will lose in the long term because Iberia will continue cutting short haul capacity and there's less feed to support long haul growth.