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JAL To Launch Helsinki And San Diego  
User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21606 times:

Japan's Nikkei is reporting JAL will use the 787-8 to next launch service to Helsinki and San Diego. No launch dates set, as of yet.


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User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21647 times:

Whoah. Did not see these coming. Good to see the list of cities with trams-pacific service growing here in the US. Hopefully MIA is next.

User currently offlinerjm777ual From UK - England, joined Nov 2011, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21610 times:

Wow, didn't see either of those coming!


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21574 times:

of course HEL will be a good add in the network specially with FI in oneworld!

San Diego is I thinkt a little surprise.

anyway good moves!

saludos
Avianca



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User currently offlineredflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4315 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21568 times:

There was talk of carriers using the 787 to fly TransPac into SAN. Glad to see someone finally making concrete plans to do so.


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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 942 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21566 times:
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I'm very happy and exicted about San Diego getting direct service from Asia.. If BA is making it work from London, JAL should make it work from Tokyo

I'm a bit surprised JAL chose San Diego over San Jose


User currently offlinektachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21496 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 3):
of course HEL will be a good add in the network specially with FI in oneworld!

But HEL is an extremely seasonal market even with the connecting traffic.

Isn't that the reason AY reduce their KIX and NGO service a lot?

With AY already serving NRT, KIX, NGO, I can't really see NRT-HEL generating too much traffic only with AY. I think they need another partner as AY is probably more keen on carrying pax on their metal from Japan to Europe



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21472 times:

Quoting ktachiya (Reply 6):
With AY already serving NRT, KIX, NGO, I can't really see NRT-HEL generating too much traffic only with AY. I think they need another partner as AY is probably more keen on carrying pax on their metal from Japan to Europe

well both are in OneWorld, so natural partner will be AY, also I think AB has some routes ex HEL into Germany another potential code share partner.

saludos
Avianca



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21393 times:

With this new flight, only 4 larger metros in US/Canada lack any TransPac service : YUL, PHX, PHL, and MIA. Surprisingly, 3 out of 4 are large hubs.

User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 785 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21347 times:
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Quoting g500 (Reply 5):
I'm a bit surprised JAL chose San Diego over San Jose

Wow this is fantastic news! As for San Jose, ANA already announced SJC-NRT.



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User currently offlinemdavies06 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21331 times:

Congrat JL, HEL and SAN. Well done. JL is expanding!

Quoting Avianca (Reply 7):
well both are in OneWorld, so natural partner will be AY, also I think AB has some routes ex HEL into Germany another potential code share partner.

saludos
Avianca

BER should have come before HEL. Why HEL when AY already flies between HEL and Japan? I think they should set up an ATI with AY purely for this reason, and so in the light of the news last week about an ATI between BA/JL I can't understand why AY is not in it. AY should naturally be in the ATI.

Although having said that, I would love to see HEL-HND on JL. I am sure our HEL a.net members are very happy to see JL metal there. This would be another major addition after QR.

Quoting g500 (Reply 5):
I'm a bit surprised JAL chose San Diego over San Jose

San Jose is not an unserved market - NH has already announced it.

Plus SAN is not served non stop to anywhere in Asia now am I correct? So JL has all the market to itself.


User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21258 times:

Wow, how does MIA not get the service as well? I am shocked Miami does not have non-stop flights to Asia. I would think the South Florida market (MIA, FLL, PBI) could sustain daily, year round service to 2 of the big Asian hubs.

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 21223 times:

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 11):

Wow, how does MIA not get the service as well? I am shocked Miami does not have non-stop flights to Asia. I would think the South Florida market (MIA, FLL, PBI) could sustain daily, year round service to 2 of the big Asian hubs.


The 787 is too low density for Florida-Asia. Reliable rumors indicate AA/JL will use an AA-operated 77W to launch this route next year.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11432 posts, RR: 61
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 21221 times:

Wow! If true, that is very cool - for JAL, and especially for San Diego.

This, coupled with what appears to have been success for the AA/BA JV on their Heathrow route, really strengthens the oneworld brand/offering in San Diego - hopefully AA uses this to their advantage to "lift all boats" and hopefully strengthen their presence a bit in San Diego (especially a nonstop to Miami). JAL is very smart to enter this market with little competition, and fully leverage the power of the Tokyo hub - hope it does well.

In addition to this flight, I also think that, despite Tokyo-Seattle getting crowded, Seattle is just too large a U.S.-Japan/Asia market to ignore for oneworld and the joint partners. I still think that route is going to need an AA/JAL presence at some point, probably with a JAL 787.


User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1597 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 21179 times:

Speechless...absolutely speechless!! Wow! JAL in San Diego...no way!

SANFan...Can you believe this???



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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 785 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 21130 times:
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Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 14):
SANFan...Can you believe this???

Where is He??? SANFan, come in SANFan!! We got something to tell you!!! 



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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 785 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 21045 times:
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Quoting commavia (Reply 13):
In addition to this flight, I also think that, despite Tokyo-Seattle getting crowded, Seattle is just too large a U.S.-Japan/Asia market to ignore for oneworld and the joint partners. I still think that route is going to need an AA/JAL presence at some point, probably with a JAL 787.

If you remember, when ANA announced SJC-NRT, they also announced SEA-NRT also. I'm not sure
if it may be overcapacity if Oneworld had an AA/JAL presence in addition to NH's new flight to Tokyo
from SEA.



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User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 771 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 21021 times:
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Awesome news for SAN and OW.

Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 10):
I think they should set up an ATI with AY purely for this reason, and so in the light of the news last week about an ATI between BA/JL I can't understand why AY is not in it.

Wouldn't be surprised to see an ATI application submitted once a firm schedule is in place.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20986 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 5):
I'm a bit surprised JAL chose San Diego over San Jose

ANA already beat them for San Jose and SAN is an unserved market

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 8):
With this new flight, only 4 larger metros in US/Canada lack any TransPac service : YUL, PHX, PHL, and MIA. Surprisingly, 3 out of 4 are large hubs.

How about Denver? IIRC DEN O&D is larger then any of the cities you listed


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20920 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 8):
With this new flight, only 4 larger metros in US/Canada lack any TransPac service : YUL, PHX, PHL, and MIA. Surprisingly, 3 out of 4 are large hubs.

How about Denver? IIRC DEN O&D is larger then any of the cities you listed

Mine's entirely based on metro population, not any O&D or PDEW metric.

SAN 3,095,313
DEN 3,090,874
Source : 2010 census, Wiki

But DEN was experiencing much faster growth rate in the previous decade (+17.5% vs. +10.0%) so maybe it would've over-taken SAN.

It wouldn't surprise me a bit if one of UA's early 787 routes include DEN-NRT.


User currently offlinesan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20889 times:

News we at SAN have been waiting for for a long time! Can't wait to hear the formal announcement of dates!


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User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 893 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20711 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Thread starter):
JAL will use the 787-8 to next launch service to Helsinki

  

From NRT? Any link available yet? I heard this rumor in Helsinki but I think no one took it seriously... Absolutely great if it comes reality but why are they coming to HEL? Their code share partner Finnair already serve NRT, KIX, NGO and traffic is based on transit traffic, the great circle route from Western Europe to Japan goes via HEL. With out connections the new route doesn't make any sense.

AY and JL will share the NRT route? JAL will cut capacity somewhere else in Europe and AY will feed their HEL route?

[Edited 2012-02-13 19:22:05]

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7499 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20470 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 12):

But a 77W is way too premium heavy for that market.

I would think a 787 would be perfect for it.



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20344 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
How about Denver? IIRC DEN O&D is larger then any of the cities you listed

Philadelphia, Miami and Montreal are all larger markets to Asia than Denver.



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User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20270 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 23):
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
How about Denver? IIRC DEN O&D is larger then any of the cities you listed

Philadelphia, Miami and Montreal are all larger markets to Asia than Denver.

How is is that US never started Pacific ops from PHL?


25 mah4546 : But the 788 is way too small a Y cabin when Japanese vacation traffic and traffic to/from Manila is important to fill the plane. Miami to certain Asi
26 crownvic : They actually did several years ago, but then scrubbed it when a proper a/c was not available for the mission. That is the problem to this day. The w
27 Post contains images SANFan : Well, that'll teach me to go out and have a nice dinner! Sounds like I need to get out and find some champagne now!!!!!! I can say that there has been
28 mogandoCI : There are quite a few options to do 1-stop HKG-MIA these days. Why can't they just fly the existing options instead of sitting on their rear and offe
29 mah4546 : Genting is based in Kuala Lumpur. Swire is the one that is HKG-based, and largely owns Cathay Pacific.
30 C767P : He passed out after reading it! My first reaction was...."Its not April 1st!" Great to see though!
31 Post contains images SANFan : You, and I bet a lot of other people! And, as I said in my previous thread, San Diego has been a lot quieter about this -- totally silent in fact --
32 PIEAvantiP180 : Tampa Bay area metro has almost a million more residents then San Diego metro.
33 Post contains images TWA772LR : At first I thought it said JAL launches HEL TO SAN! In my opinion, HEL was going to come sooner or later because of Finnair in OW. NRT-SAN is a perfec
34 SANFan : IMO, right up there with BOS-NRT! There are some people in SAN still jumping up and down, and anxiously awaiting word on when this will start. (Our G
35 Post contains links san88 : Dont know how reliable this article is http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...over-next-five-years-report-141188[Edited 2012-02-13 23:13:33]
36 wedgetail737 : I think SEA could handle three airlines in the market, but not without losing one of the incumbants...namely UA.
37 Post contains images san747 : I'm surprised too, I thought an Asia flight for SAN had suffered a pretty big setback with the not-so-great news about the recent Philippine Cat I au
38 SANFan : Nice find, s. So it appears that SAN & HEL are perhaps going to start in 2012! That's great news and helps narrow it down! bb
39 wedgetail737 : I think the SAN airport authority needs to figure out how to expand their FIS facility. As more 787's are added and sold to the world, more of these "
40 redrooster3 : Fantastic news!!!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooooo, Im so excited to see this! When SANMAN66 told me this when I was on my lunch break, I jumped for joy all the wa
41 mah4546 : Adding JAL/AA would bring it up to three. NH/UA are one airline across the Pacific; NH metal is no different than a second daily UA flight from the p
42 SANFan : I have a feeling that the situation is under control. We currently have 3 FIS-capable gates (20, 21 & 22) but those 3 gates can only handle 2 LAR
43 IndianicWorld : Who knows. There might be a sudden rush of new routes but it may just end up looking more of the same as today in a few years. Even the 787 will not
44 Post contains images teme82 : Seeing JL's 787's in HEL! WoooT!! Hope they select HND as the departure place from Tokyo
45 Post contains images teme82 : Did you considered that route to HEL can be operated with the same plane daily? That's why AY has high utilization rate on it's Asia routes Efficient
46 MEA-707 : If they will fly to Haneda instead it will open many more mid sized Japanese cities with one same airport smooth plane change.
47 md80forum : Errh ... "metal", it's going to be a 787...
48 ktachiya : Sorry, not to upset you or anything, but with the current bilateral agreements, the flight would have to leave HND at a crazy time of the day (betwee
49 Post contains images teme82 : A figure of speech my friend Anyway I think when JL starts the flights to HEL it would be first time for the 787 to be in HEL! I think that they will
50 Post contains links mogandoCI : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_o...s_primary_census_statistical_areas 16 San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA MSA 3,095,313 21 Tampa-St. Petersburg-C
51 centrair : When JL announced that they would order the 787, they stated that they would use it to expand internationally. They also said that they would aim for
52 BP1 : Great news for San Diego!! Now how about Phoenix.
53 SANMAN66 : I've been hearing that US will eventually take care of PHX-NRT
54 727LOVER : AC doesn't fly between Montreal & Tokyo???? Shocked, I'll admit.
55 mogandoCI : Not that I'm aware of... the 787 should be able to open YYC-NRT and YUL-NRT
56 g500 : That'd be good... the 767-200 has the legs for it (I think)
57 DLBOIFIN : My question is, will AY keep HEL-NRT flight, or are they just handing the flight to JL? This way, they would free one widebody aircraft to open new ma
58 okAY : Great news for HEL! Regarding AY's own NRT flight, I hope they will continue it, the route will celebrate its 30th birthday next year. okAY
59 EricR : The delayed integration of the pilots union does not help matters for a US launch of PHX-NRT.
60 wingedtaurus : Well, hope AM gets the 787 to do MEX-NRT without the stop in TIJ, NRT-SAN Diego will take that extra 20% passangers.
61 kgaiflyer : JAL already flies into SFO -- a car service can easily get passengers to Cupertino / Sunnyvale / Mountain View / San Jose. San Diego has -- in additi
62 Post contains links HELyes : According to this news HEL-NRT is going 2x daily so AY would not cut their service to Tokyo. Hopefully something official coming from JAL soon. Sorry
63 kgaiflyer : YYC-NRT is already flying -- has been in service about one year.
64 Post contains images SANFan : A point worth mentioning. When AM was offering r/t TIJ-NRT, it is believed that not very many from the north side of the border used the service. Now
65 tsnamm : I wonder how long the "New UA" will continue to dedicate 2 777's from a non hub city to Japan...IMHO if legacy CO management in the new UA has any sa
66 JAL : Nice to hear the JAL is once again thinking of expanding!
67 JAAlbert : Folks, this demonstrates anew the power of prayer and clean living! Aside from the medical/technical industries in San Diego, we are a top notch vaca
68 irelayer : NO WAY! I can't wait. -IR
69 Post contains images tugger : So who will be the first A.nutter to do a OneWorld flight of LHR-SAN-NRT-HEL-LHR? For some reason that just sounds fun to me.... Tugg
70 SANFan : That does sound like a fine idea Tugg. Maybe we can all get a group rate?! I see it written down ("LHR-SAN-NRT...") but it still needs to sink in! Tr
71 SANMAN66 : I was just thinking about the industry side, last night I was in the Sorrento Valley area, and half the buildings including four skyscrapers had the
72 Post contains images SANFan : Hey L, good morning. What took you so long to get going on this thread today? Yeah, you think perhaps a few folks with "Q" on their business cards mi
73 Post contains images SANMAN66 : I worked last night. I'm just waking up! I'd almost forgotten about the Navy! That could be a real opportunity right there! Yeah, but it may be cheap
74 Post contains images SRQKEF : Actually, its AY. FI is Icelandair. Maybe from HND?
75 JakeOrion : I will be there with my camera for the first JAL landing at SAN. This is a big step for San Diego. Not to stray off-topic, but will BA replace their 7
76 redrooster3 : BA is having high load factors, the 777 will stay...If not 2x daily 787. Any new statements or press releases from JAL? I want more info!!
77 Viscount724 : It's a seasonal route. No current service. It starts in late March.
78 Avianca : you are more than right.
79 SANFan : I don't want to stray too far off the topic either Jake, but I'll answer your question (as best I can.) Between June 2011, when Speedbird began servi
80 JAAlbert : So when does JAL begin receiving the 787 and how many is it expected to receive by the end of the year? The article cited in one of the first posts su
81 C767P : They are supposed to get their first 787 the end of February. I am not sure how many in 2012 though.
82 Post contains images tugger : What's nice is that in the near future there will be new options for RTW flight plans from SAN that don't require going through another domestic port
83 mah4546 : Somebody who translated the original Nikkei article for me, as opposed to what other sites are reporting in foreign translation, mentioned to me that
84 san747 : I hope there is some kind of official press release sometime soon.
85 Post contains links mdavies06 : I found it, in Japanese. http://www.nikkei.com/news/headline/...95968DE3E7E2E0E0E2E3E0E2E2E2E2E2E2 At least according to the article, Dec 12 for SAN,
86 mah4546 : Yes, it is now official. Bookings won't be accepted just yet. Both will initially be 4x weekly. JL 66 NRT 1730-1030 SAN xWeFrSu JL 65 SAN 1200-1655 1
87 teme82 : Source : https://newsclient.omxgroup.com/cdsPublic/viewDisclosure.action?disclosureId=490852&lang=en
88 ktachiya : I am surprised both routes are not flown daily as JAL was always keen on operating most routes daily.
89 teme82 : The HEL route could be operated with only one plane daily. So I'm puzzled about this schedule.
90 airbuseric : ZRH, ROM, MXP, DME, NGO-LHR etc, all had non-daily schedules in the past. This is not something 'surpising' I think.
91 Post contains images SANFan : And BOS-NRT is starting with 4x wkly in April as well. (May 27 the flight goes daily.) I'm very happy to see the "official" word and remain very happ
92 SANFan : These new 787-routes not op'ing daily could be as simple as JL wanting some down time between flights in case of issues -- either minor or major -- t
93 SANMAN66 : SAN-NRT will start off at 4x weekly, and will go daily after March 2013, according to the schedule.
94 SANFan : Sorry, I jumped the gun and misread a post in my excitement. Specific start-dates will be announced later, along with AA code-share info. (And the SAN
95 DLBOIFIN : And the question is, what's going to happen with AY HEL-NRT flights on those dates? JAL schedule is pretty much identical to AY's, so I predict that
96 Coronado990 : And...it leaves at 12 noon on 12/12/12.
97 N1120A : All 4 are pretty large hubs, but there are various reasons why they don't have service. Didn't have the right plane. A332 would be the plane to use.
98 SANFan : Hey, that's right D. Unfortunately, as I corrected myself in post 94, the exact date has NOT yet been announced. But perhaps it WILL end up being Dec
99 HELyes : Yes it's possible AY will free capacity somewhere else, depending on demand of course. According to JAL's press release "daily flights are planned fr
100 Post contains images SANFan : Love your screen name, HELyes! Perhaps San Diego and Helsinki should begin some sort of airline-version of Sister Cities... I've been talking a lot (
101 Post contains images HELyes : Thanks, was surprised it wasn't taken already. Thank You! JL is very welcome to HEL, where a new carrier is a special treat these days. And great to
102 Post contains links redrooster3 : Our local news station finally picked up the news. They don't even know when the route starts! :P Source Since JL is in one world, people who fly this
103 Post contains links nicksair : Here is the official PR from the San Diego Regional Airport Auth. http://www.san.org/documents/pressreleases/02-15-2012%20JAL.pdf And a Newspaper arti
104 SANFan : Not too bad for the San Diego media getting the word out! The game is on and as soon as bookings are possible, hopefully people will be jumping on th
105 Post contains images SANMAN66 : USA Today picked up the story too. It's starting to get a lot of media buzz. I can imagine when the bookings are set up, the first flight will be sol
106 ghifty : Awesome! It'll be great to see the 788 at SAN! In addition to BA's 77W. SAN is getting some nice planes nowadays, lol. Hmmm... add me onto that list.
107 redrooster3 : Do you guys think that she will take a payload restriction? Since she's going against the winds this time? I wish it was a 77W, we get 772ER's, But I
108 SANFan : Hey red', IMO no. Not under normal conditions but with real heavy headwinds on the w/b trips, maybe a fuel stop enroute like happens with LA and SF t
109 Post contains links and images PITrules : Someone beat you to it View Large View MediumPhoto © Frank C. Duarte Jr.View Large View MediumPhoto © Shaun EdelsteinView Large View Medium View La
110 san88 : Getting my ZED ticket ready !
111 mdavies06 : Re HEL, I was really hoping for a surprise with JL launching from HND. Had JL launched it with a westbound redeye flight (leaving say 2am from HND, ar
112 HELyes : HND would had been great, problems with the slot restrictions?
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