Asiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 1 Posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2636 times:
ALAFCO has finalized the options taken up at Dubai Air Show in November 2011 for 30 A320neo, plus added 5 more planes to the order, taking ALAFCOs total order to 85 A320neo.
“After a full analysis, we concluded that the A320neo will continue to be in strong demand, therefore, we are seizing the opportunity to secure an additional 35 aircraft to meet the future requirements of our customers. The A320neo is the market’s favourite single-aisle aircraft family,” said Ahmad A. Alzabin, ALAFCO Chairman & CEO. “The significant fuel burn savings it offers, combined with the operational reliability and cost effectiveness of the A320 Family, make it an absolute “must have” in our portfolio.”
flood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1052 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2511 times:
It's believed they're the undisclosed customer who firmed the 35 NEO order on December 20th. During Airbus' press conference in January they had inadvertently disclosed ALAFCO as the customer.
Airbus has over 1,200 firm orders... "and that's firm - not flaky commitments" - Leahy
With ALAFCO's 35 and Lion Air's firming of their 201 frames:
FRA-Runway From Germany, joined Jul 1999, 76 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week ago) and read 1895 times:
Thank you "flood", for providing the full picture.
=> While Boeing was able to convince only 3 customers (+2MOU)
Airbus was able to convince more than 24 (19 airlines+5 leasing Companies).
If I would be the CEO of Boeing, I would think, that my company is in big trouble.
redrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 217 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1875 times:
Quoting FRA-Runway (Reply 4): While Boeing was able to convince only 3 customers (+2MOU)
Airbus was able to convince more than 24 (19 airlines+5 leasing Companies).
If I would be the CEO of Boeing, I would think, that my company is in big trouble
1. The NEO was launched earlier, six months earlier.
2. The NEO has really only gained orders from current A3XX's operators
3. The MAX has over 1000 MOU's currently, or 500 if those 1000 count Lion, AA, and WN.
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FRA-Runway From Germany, joined Jul 1999, 76 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1840 times:
Just two quick comments to your remarks:
As far as I know, Qantas operates 738 and no A320.
Of course your comment is correct if you also take info account the A380s etc, but does that make any sense?
I think its more fair to say, that they have no problem to convince existing 737NG customers to order A320NEO
Additionally Airbus was also able to convince American to sign an MOU beeing an Anti-Airbus for a long time, especially after the blame game from both sides after the A306 accident (AA587). I guess to get this MOU was an extremely tough thing to do.
redrooster3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 217 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1792 times:
Quoting FRA-Runway (Reply 6): As far as I know, Qantas operates 738 and no A320.
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Quoting FRA-Runway (Reply 6): I think its more fair to say, that they have no problem to convince existing 737NG
Haven't really seen any 737NG operators order the A320, theirs a few...but not the whole gang.
Quoting FRA-Runway (Reply 6): Additionally Airbus was also able to convince American to sign an MOU
AA has to replace like 400 NB jets in the future, one manufacturer couldn't handle that workload. They need new planes right now. That's why they ordered A & B. Same with Norwegian, who ordered both variants. They want to renew their fleet fast.
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B777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1004 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1707 times:
Add QANTAS and Garuda, both are presently 737NG operators. I think it's rather telliing that Airbus has been able to turn Boeing operators, but the opposite has not yet happened.
As for the "1000 MOU's" Boeing claim to have, they've said that for a fairly long time now haven't they? Hasn't materialised into any orders yet.
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Asiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1019 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1683 times:
Quoting B777LRF (Reply 9): Add QANTAS and Garuda, both are presently 737NG operators. I think it's rather telling that Airbus has been able to turn Boeing operators, but the opposite has not yet happened.
Not sure that neither QF or GA will use the A320neo for their mainline operations, but rather for their sub companies such as Jetstar and Citylink.
Not to dismiss the capability of the 7373MAX, but I think one main reason for its very quick order collection is that all possible NB customers did their homework at the time the A320neo was launched, and already knew what they wanted by the time Boeing launched the 737MAX.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2657 posts, RR: 59 Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1637 times:
It's amazing how quickly a thread celebrating the identification of ALAFCO as the previously Undisclosed NEO customer has become a MAX-bashing thread. . .
Quoting FRA-Runway (Reply 6): As far as I know, Qantas operates 738 and no A320
Both Garuda (Citilink) and SAS publically commited to the NEO during June's Paris Airshow. This was when Boeing finally "got off the fence" and offered the re-engined 737, which they launched two months later. Would an earlier launch have changed either or both airlines' orders? Who knows. Both are getting their first tranche of NEO's before the MAX will be available. . .
Quoting B777LRF (Reply 9): As for the "1000 MOU's" Boeing claim to have, they've said that for a fairly long time now haven't they? Hasn't materialised into any orders yet.
Ummm. . . not sure if you saw the news today, but Lion Air just firmed their 201 MAX's.
As to your first 'question':
- Boeing officially launched the MAX on August 30, 2011. At the time, they announced commitments for 496 frames from 5 airlines.
- On November 3, 2011, Boeing updated those numbers to 600+ frames from 8 airlines
- By the November 17th announcement of both Lion Air's and Aviation Capital Group's commitment to the MAX, commitments had increased to 700+.
- Southwest Airlines signed the first firm order for the MAX on December 13. By that time, orders and commitments had grown to 900+ from 13 airlines.
- On their end-of-2011 recap, published on January 5, 2012, Boeing announced orders and commitments from 15 customers for "over 1,000" aircraft. (Norwegian's 100 was subsequently firmed on the 25th)
So to answer your 'question' - Boeing has been "claiming" to have 1,000+ orders and commitments for approximately 5 and a half weeks. I'll let you decide if that's "a fairly long time". Oh, and in that time, 301 of those commitments have "materialised" into firm orders.
Anyway, congratulations ALAFCO and Airbus on revealing the identity of the UFO NEO customer!!
JAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1191 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1567 times:
Quoting B777LRF (Reply 9): As for the "1000 MOU's" Boeing claim to have, they've said that for a fairly long time now haven't they? Hasn't materialised into any orders yet.
Recent articles suggest that Boeing expects a surge in firm orders in 2012. I don't think Boeing would put such information out there if they didn't expect to back it up. The 737 has been a huge success over the years with many loyal customers. I don't see that changing.
And congrats to the Alafco's 320 NEOs! Who can be unhappy with all these new planes in the pipeline?
macc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 971 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1355 times:
Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 11): It's amazing how quickly a thread celebrating the identification of ALAFCO as the previously Undisclosed NEO customer has become a MAX-bashing thread. . .
Fully agree!
And it just doesnt help to post facts, apartently:
Norwegian.
American Airlines.
Qantas
Garuda Indonesia
Did I miss any?
You can tell what you want about who's better, NEO or MAX, undisputed truth is, I shit bigger piles than all of you
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 12): Recent articles suggest that Boeing expects a surge in firm orders in 2012. I don't think Boeing would put such information out there if they didn't expect to back it up. The 737 has been a huge success over the years with many loyal customers. I don't see that changing.
why should it change? The market will be equally split in the future as it is now. And if just for the issue with availability. The 321 may give A a slight advantage as 757 replacement, but I doubt it will be significant. And with hard economic times ahead, I can see more than a dozen of Airlines fail and frames becoming available. At both A and B's side.
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flood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1052 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1267 times:
I don't think Qantas or Garuda should be included in the list, but Transaero comes to mind as they currently operate an all-Boeing fleet, according to airfleets.
Quoting macc (Reply 14): You can tell what you want about who's better, NEO or MAX, undisputed truth is, I shit bigger piles than all of you
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