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AA To Start 4th Daily DFW-LHR  
User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 738 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11924 times:

Not sure if this been discussed already, if so please delete.

Acording to AA facebook page, 'We're thrilled to announce the addition of a 4th flight between Heathrow Airport and Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport starting 14 June!'

Anyone know the schedule for this new service?
Are they reducing another route to acomodate this new service?

[Edited 2012-02-14 09:31:28]

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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11774 times:

Wow, impressive ! According to amadeus :

AA 050 1650 DFW LHR 0750+1 777
AA 026 1715 DFW LHR 0830+1 767
AA 078 1945 DFW LHR 1045+1 777
AA 080 2105 DFW LHR 1225+1 767



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User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11682 times:

They should start calling them selves British American Airlines .. Do they really need to operate so many flts to LHR?
They should just pull out of all the rest of their intl flying and solely fly to LHR. It seems like that is all they are doing .


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7318 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11653 times:

Quoting etops1 (Reply 2):
They should start calling them selves British American Airlines .. Do they really need to operate so many flts to LHR?
They should just pull out of all the rest of their intl flying and solely fly to LHR. It seems like that is all they are doing .

In BK airlines tend to retreat to where they know they can make money. AA knows it can throw another flight on DFW-LHR (seasonally and during the Olympics) and make money.

Once AA gets out of BK is when you will see them taking more chances.



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User currently offlineairstatdfw From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11632 times:

Could this be for the summer Olympics increase capacity? I looked and the fares are pretty steep 1200 + one way in coach.

User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11632 times:

What is driving this need for an extra flight in the DFW area, is it local economy requirements or have they tapped into something at LHR?


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User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2239 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11565 times:

It was originally announced when they announced the cancellation of JFK-BUD. But I think the timing was coincidental. The new DFW-LHR route was probably already planned, and they likely announced it with the cancellation of JFK-BUD to soften the negative impact. In that same announcement AA said they are looking for other opportunities to use the a/c that would have otherwise been used on JFK-BUD.


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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11529 times:

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 5):
or have they tapped into something at LHR?

I guess the rest of the BA network out of LHR?


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11506 times:

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 5):
What is driving this need for an extra flight in the DFW area, is it local economy requirements or have they tapped into something at LHR?

??? I guess I'm a bit confused by your comment. Not the first part (will get to that) but the second. As i'm sure you know, AA is a very old dog at LHR, enjoying a very close relationship with BA. I guess what i'm getting at is there's nothing new that AA has tapped. They've already "tapped" that..LOL.

But seriously, as an example, let's say NW added an additional flight to AMS from DTW and someone said what's going on..well, they're only the leading US carrier into AMS   Nothing earth shattering.

As to the DFW POS market, sure the metroplex is a HUGE area but let's not forget that DFW is the second largest single airline hub in the world. Second only to Atlanta. The connection opportunities from around the country through DFW to LHR is limitless so not too hard to see it for me.



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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11419 times:

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 7):

Opps. better put thinking cap on sooner.  
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 8):
??? I guess I'm a bit confused by your comment

Your'e not the only one, brain in nutreal I think.  



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24308 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11341 times:

Yes already discussed, and announced part of the Budapest cancellation.

AA Cancels JFK-BUD (by qqflyboy Feb 7 2012 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2653 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11309 times:

Quoting Alsatian (Reply 1):

AA 050 1650 DFW LHR 0750+1 777
AA 026 1715 DFW LHR 0830+1 767
AA 078 1945 DFW LHR 1045+1 777
AA 080 2105 DFW LHR 1225+1 767

A good example in which replacing those four flights with two A380 (or 748) flights leaving at 1700 and 2025 would reduce AA's CASM very considerably without affecting much anything else.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11153 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 11):
without affecting much anything else.

... except, of course, for the attractiveness of the joint AA/BA product offering, of which frequency and schedule convenience is a major differentiating attribute.

As has been discussed repeatedly, and as was very clearly articulated by Delta's CEO just last week, airlines around the world - not just in the U.S. or Europe - are increasingly offering greater frequency where possible, even if on smaller planes, because it allows them to broaden their attractiveness to customers - particularly high-yielding business travelers - who value such flexibility.


User currently offlinezululima From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 287 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11061 times:

With this news, what are the chances now that BA could go double daily? I was hoping for 772/773, or maybe a 767 added to the 744 frequency. Even with the joint venture adding momentum, 6x DFW-LHR seems a bit much for the time being.


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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2653 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11062 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
except, of course, for the attractiveness of the joint AA/BA product offering, of which frequency and schedule convenience is a major differentiating attribute.

There is no advantage whatsoever in offering one departure at 1650 and another at 1715 vs. consolidating them in a single departure at 1700.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10931 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 14):
There is no advantage whatsoever in offering one departure at 1650 and another at 1715 vs. consolidating them in a single departure at 1700.

Well there may well be if (a) one combined flight would require a larger aircraft than AA and BA have available to schedule, and (b) if, as is likely, the rolling DFW hub means that some connections that are illegal with a 1650 departure are legal to sell with a departure 25 minutes later.


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10899 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 14):
There is no advantage whatsoever in offering one departure at 1650 and another at 1715 vs. consolidating them in a single departure at 1700.

USA to LONDON schedules are always going to be tight as they are overnight mostly.

I would imagine that they are reasonably spread on the return to DFW. JFK is an excellent example.



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User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10851 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 14):
There is no advantage whatsoever in offering one departure at 1650 and another at 1715 vs. consolidating them in a single departure at 1700.

Agreed. Though in this particular case the differentiation comes on the return flights, which leave at 09:30, 10:30, 12:15 and 15:15. BA's 744 leaves at 11:45. That schedule is slightly more spread out.



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User currently onlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10634 times:

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 17):
That schedule is slightly more spread out.

No curfew or slots at DFW probably, as for the 09:30 and 10:30 departures, is an hour difference acceptable for not colsolidating flights?


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2086 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10600 times:

Quoting etops1 (Reply 2):
They should start calling them selves British American Airlines .. Do they really need to operate so many flts to LHR?
They should just pull out of all the rest of their intl flying and solely fly to LHR. It seems like that is all they are doing .
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
In BK airlines tend to retreat to where they know they can make money. AA knows it can throw another flight on DFW-LHR (seasonally and during the Olympics) and make money.

Not sure if this adds much perspective, but looking at the TATL capacity adjustments Delta is making for S12, it seems like they are similarly putting a lot of stock into the SkyTeam to SkyTeam hub routes and less so in other markets.

They are adding a 3rd daily ATLAMS flight in addition to KL services

DL174 ATL1500 – 0555+1AMS 767 5
DL174 ATL1515 – 0555+1AMS 332 x5
DL238 ATL1740 – 0825+1AMS 333 D
DL033 ATL1950 – 1050+1AMS 767 D 01JUN12 – 03SEP12

DL175 AMS0900 – 1225ATL 332 x6
DL175 AMS0900 – 1240ATL 767 6
DL239 AMS1105 – 1445ATL 333 D
DL032 ATL1310 – 1705ATL 767 D 02JUN12 – 04SEP12

And the following are not resuming:

ATL-ATH
ATL-CPH
ATL-SVO
ATL-PRG
ATL-TLV



next flights: msp-phx-slc, msp-mdw, ord-sju, sju-dfw-ord, msp-dfw, dfw-phl, phl-msp, jfk-icn, icn-hkg-bkk-cdg
User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10439 times:

All four are daily, correct?

User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2653 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10242 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 18):
as for the 09:30 and 10:30 departures, is an hour difference acceptable for not colsolidating flights?

I would say that, except for possible connectivity issues at LHR, a single flight at 10:00 could cover both flights. Even more so a noon departure could cover the 11:45 BA and 12:15 AA flights.



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User currently offlineChimborazo From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10156 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 12):
As has been discussed repeatedly, and as was very clearly articulated by Delta's CEO just last week, airlines around the world - not just in the U.S. or Europe - are increasingly offering greater frequency where possible, even if on smaller planes, because it allows them to broaden their attractiveness to customers - particularly high-yielding business travelers - who value such flexibility

I've never entirely understood this. There are a certain amount of high yield travellers who want to go from A to B on a given day. So the airlines make it "more attractive" by adding frequency. But on smaller metal. So either the loads are going to be light in the first place (otherwise there isn't flexibility as the flights will be full) or it is just marketing and you don't actually have that flexibility- just the perception of it which (clever by the airline) encouraged you to select them.


User currently offlineblink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10149 times:

Where is the LHR slot coming from? Something had to be dropped from LHR, right?


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User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10078 times:

Quoting blink182 (Reply 23):
Where is the LHR slot coming from? Something had to be dropped from LHR, right?

That's a good question!


25 commavia : If they go from fewer flights with larger planes to more flights with smaller planes, that doesn't mean the loads were necessarily lighter to begin w
26 realsim : I've compared the flights to LHR for a monday of this summer (19 flights) and a monday of summer 2010 (18 flights). The number of daily flights are t
27 skipness1E : Miami drops from 2-3 daily back to daily from the winter though I see.
28 IrishAyes : Then that could be your answer.
29 Chimborazo : I'm not disputing that. But if loads stay the same, what's the point? In that case encouraging extra high yield with flexibility hasn't worked- the a
30 mah4546 : Nothing needs to be dropped on the AA side. All AA, BA and IB slots are now pooled. The slot could very well be coming from a BA reduction. MIA total
31 sydscott : Or additional BA slots acquired from LH or leased from QF since they're halving their LHR flights from March.
32 commavia : Higher cost, but - theoretically - higher CASM. It's the classic airline story of the S-curve ... the larger the market share, the airline get's a di
33 IrishAyes : Right, and this theory has explained how a single hub airport struggles to support two competing legacy carriers when both have the same type of cost
34 Roseflyer : I absolutely agree that the LHR schedule shows how AA would benefit from something larger than the 777-200. That's the reason why they have 777-300ER
35 GSPflyer : Wasn't this a 777?
36 Boeing773ER : I don't see why people are saying that they don't see the need of this extra flight. It is one more flight between arguably the two largest/most impor
37 skipness1E : Only when it first moved from Gatwick, it's been a B763 for a while.[Edited 2012-02-14 17:15:00]
38 sydscott : BA could also put an A380 onto it as well once they start receiving them.
39 gdg9 : That's been rumored already for 2014. In the meantime, BA starts a 77W Winter 2012 on DFW LHR. Shame to see the 744 leaving DFW already though.
40 AAIL86 : Exactly. In the world of selling connections, 25 minutes makes a huge difference. Agree. It will be the BA A380 (as well as the 77Ws).
41 LipeGIG : As LHR is one of the few exceptions to the AA hub strategy (with BOS and RDU flights), can AA tried, instead of a 4th DFW-LHR, to run flights from a d
42 IrishAyes : It's definitely possible; people once speculated back when AA and BA received ATI, that it would allow the combined carrier (along with IB) an opport
43 lapper : Have a look for the same flight with a return a week later and you will see it for the same price for the return journey, if not cheaper. Don't forge
44 jfk777 : Most US cities have more traffic in the summer to the UK and Europe, Miami is opposite. MIA has more demand in the winter months and less in the summ
45 VV701 : AA and BA, now that they have ATI, follow a policy they call "metal neutrality" - that is they do not differentiate between their own flights and the
46 jfk777 : Many new BA flights are fom BMI's slots, BA has wanted to fly 3 times daily to Miami for years but couldn't with lack of LHR slots. New BA flights to
47 hohd : AA and BA are still not the same. Frequent flyer associations are different, e.g. AA has a relationship with QR and BA may have with other airlines. M
48 vhtje : I do not follow your logic. If they are increasing frequency but using smaller aircraft, then they are spreading their passengers over more flights.
49 PRAirbus : Good indeed too bad some DFW-LHR would be on AA's ancient 763's!!! Can't wait for the 787's to take over those old 763's...they need to go soon!!!! :O
50 B377 : Per the AA/BA JV/ATI agreement DL received two round trip slots for the BOS-LHR runs last year, which could only be used there. It appears that this
51 par13del : Another point to be noted is that since these additional frequencies are targeted at the business traveller whose company foots the bill, the price i
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