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OAG Changes 2/17/2012: AA/CO/DL/F9/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7052 posts, RR: 13
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11266 times:

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WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

9K ACK-EWB JUN 7>8
9K ACK-HYA JUN 16>15
9K ACK-PVD JUN 5>3
*9K ALB-MSS MAR 0>3 APR 0>3 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3
9K BOS-RKD JUL 3>5 AUG 3>5 SEP 3>5
9K BOS-SLK OCT 4>3
9K EYW-RSW MAR 7>6 APR 7>5 MAY 6>5 JUN 7>6 JUL 7>5 AUG 7>6 SEP 7>6 OCT 6>5
9K MVY-PVD JUN 6>4
9K SJU-AXA JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
9K SJU-EIS JUN 8>7 JUL 7>6 AUG 7>6 SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6
9K SJU-STT JUN 9>7 JUL 9>7 AUG 9>7 SEP 9>7 OCT 9>7
9K SJU-STX JUN 7>5 JUL 8>5 AUG 8>5 SEP 8>5 OCT 8>5
9K SJU-VQS JUN 8>7 JUL 9>7 AUG 9>7 SEP 9>7 OCT 9>7
9K STT-SJU JUN 9>7 JUL 9>7 AUG 9>7 SEP 9>7 OCT 9>7
9K STT-STX MAR 5>6 APR 5>6
9K STX-SJU JUN 7>5 JUL 8>5 AUG 8>5 SEP 8>5 OCT 8>5
*9K STX-VQS JUN 1.0>0.3 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

9V MIA-BLA MAR 0.7>0.9 APR 0.6>0.9 MAY 0.6>0.8 JUN 0.6>0.9 JUL 0.6>0.9 AUG 0.5>0.8 SEP 0.6>0.9 OCT 0.6>0.8

AA CMH-LGA APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6
AA DFW-AEX APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
AA DFW-AMA APR 6>8 MAY 6>8 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7 SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7
AA DFW-CID APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6
*AA DFW-CYS APR 1.0>0.1 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
AA DFW-EVV APR 1.0>1.9 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
AA DFW-FWA MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
AA DFW-GDL JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3
AA DFW-GPT APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
AA DFW-GRR APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
AA DFW-LBB APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8 AUG 7>8 SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8
*AA DFW-LHR JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
AA DFW-LIT APR 9>7 MAY 9>7 JUN 9>7 JUL 9>7 AUG 9>7 SEP 9>7 OCT 9>7
AA DFW-MAF APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6
AA DFW-MKE APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
AA DFW-MLU APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3
AA DFW-PHX MAY 8>9
AA DFW-PNS APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
AA DFW-SHV APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
AA DFW-SPS APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
*AA DFW-VPS APR 4>7 MAY 4>7 JUN 4>7 JUL 4>7 AUG 4>7 SEP 4>7 OCT 4>7
AA DTW-LGA MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 OCT 5>6
*AA JFK-BUD JUN 0.6>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
AA LAX-SAN MAY 11>10 JUN 11>10 JUL 11>10 AUG 11>10 SEP 11>10 OCT 11>10
AA LAX-TUS MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
AA LGA-RDU APR 8>9 MAY 8>9 JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9 AUG 8>9 SEP 8>9 OCT 8>9
AA MIA-ATL APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7 SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7
AA MIA-CHS APR 2>1.1 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
AA MIA-GGT APR 2>1.3 MAY 2>1.3 JUN 2>1.3 JUL 2>1.3 AUG 2>1.2 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
*AA MIA-TYS APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
AA ORD-CLE APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6
AA ORD-CLT APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
AA ORD-CVG APR 9>8 MAY 9>8 JUN 9>8 JUL 9>8 AUG 9>8 SEP 9>8 OCT 9>8
AA ORD-DAY APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
AA ORD-DBQ APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
AA ORD-DSM APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7 SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7
AA ORD-DTW APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8 AUG 7>8 SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8
AA ORD-HSV APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
AA ORD-LIT APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
AA ORD-PIT APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6
AA ORD-RDU APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
AA ORD-RIC APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
AA ORD-ROC APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
AA ORD-TOL APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
AA ORD-TUL APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
AA ORD-YYZ JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8 AUG 7>8

AC SEA-YYZ MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.4>2 SEP 1.1>2 OCT 1.0>1.9

AM ATL-MEX JUL 0>1.0
AM FAT-GDL MAR 0.4>0.5 APR 0.5>0.7 MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0.4>0.7 SEP 0.3>0.5 OCT 0.3>0.4
AM SAT-MTY APR 0.6>0.9

AS LAX-SJD JUN 1.7>2 JUL 1.7>2 AUG 1.7>1.9
AS SEA-ANC MAY 17>16
*AS SEA-MIA JUL 1.0>0.5 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

As predicted last week. Reaction to VX.
B6 BOS-LAX JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3

BR LAX-TPE OCT 1.8>3

BW JFK-GEO MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.2

CO CLE-BTV MAY 1.0>0.7
CO CLE-GRB MAY 1.9>1.4
CO CLE-MCO MAY 1.1>0
CO CLE-PHL MAY 6>5
CO DEN-CLE MAY 1.3>0.9
CO DEN-LAS MAY 1.1>0.7
CO EWR-ATL MAY 7>6
CO EWR-BDL MAY 4>3
CO EWR-BTV MAY 3>4
CO EWR-BUF JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
CO EWR-CMH MAY 6>3
CO EWR-DTW MAY 6>4
CO EWR-IND MAY 7>5
CO EWR-MSP MAY 6>4
CO EWR-PIT MAY 7>5
CO EWR-PVD JUL 4>3
CO EWR-RDU MAY 7>5
CO EWR-SAN MAY 3>1.8
CO EWR-STL MAY 6>4
CO EWR-YUL MAY 6>5
CO EWR-YYT MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.9
CO IAH-ABQ MAY 5>0.2 JUN 6>5
CO IAH-ATL MAY 9>8
CO IAH-AUS MAY 10>9
CO IAH-CMH MAY 5>1.8
CO IAH-COS MAY 4>0.3
CO IAH-CVG MAY 4>3
CO IAH-DFW MAY 9>7
CO IAH-ELP MAY 6>3
CO IAH-IAD MAY 4>1.0
CO IAH-IND MAY 5>3
CO IAH-LOS MAR 1.0>0.7 APR 1.0>0.8 MAY 1.0>0.8 JUN 1.0>0.8 OCT 1.0>0.7
CO IAH-MAF MAY 6>5
CO IAH-MKE MAY 4>3
CO IAH-MSP MAY 5>3
CO IAH-OKC MAY 8>7
CO IAH-OMA MAY 6>3
CO IAH-ORF MAY 2>0
CO IAH-PIT MAY 3>1.5
CO IAH-PVR MAY 1.0>1.3
CO IAH-RDU MAY 5>4
CO IAH-RSW MAY 2>1.0
CO IAH-SJD MAY 1.8>3
CO IAH-SLC MAY 3>2.0
CO IAH-TUS MAY 4>0.7
CO IAH-YEG MAY 1.9>2
CO IAH-YYZ MAY 4>1.3
CO LAX-HNL JUN 2>5 JUL 2>6 AUG 2>6 SEP 2>4 OCT 2>4
CO LAX-HNL JUN 2>5 JUL 2>6 AUG 2>6 SEP 2>5 OCT 2>5
CO LAX-KOA JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
CO LAX-KOA JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
CO LAX-OGG JUL 0>2 AUG 0>1.9 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
CO ORD-CLE MAY 13>12
CO SFO-HNL JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
CO SFO-HNL JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2

DL ATL-AEX MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
DL ATL-SFO JUL 7>8
DL ATL-TPA JUL 12>13 AUG 12>13
DL BOS-BDA SEP 1.0>0.8
DL DTW-GRB OCT 6>5
DL GFK-MSP OCT 7>6
DL IND-MSP JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
DL JFK-IND JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>2
DL JFK-MEX OCT 1.9>2
DL JFK-STL JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>2
DL JFK-YHZ MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>0.3
DL LAX-ATL JUL 10>11 AUG 10>11 SEP 10>11 OCT 10>11
DL LGA-MHT JUN 0.9>0.7 JUL 1.7>1.2 AUG 2>1.5 SEP 2>1.3 OCT 2>1.5
DL LGA-YHZ MAY 0.2>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.7>1.4
DL PHL-CDG APR 1.0>0.8
*DL SLC-EWR JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 1.8>1.0 SEP 1.7>1.0 OCT 1.7>1.0
DL SLC-FCA SEP 3>4
DL SLC-JFK JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5

F9 CLE-CUN MAY 0.4>0.3
*F9 COS-LAX JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>0.8 AUG 0>0.9
*F9 COS-PHX JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
*F9 DEN-ASE MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*F9 DEN-BLI JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
F9 DEN-BNA JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
*F9 DEN-BOI MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0
F9 DEN-BZN JUN 1.3>2 JUL 1.3>2 AUG 1.3>2
*F9 DEN-COS MAY 6>5 JUN 6>4 JUL 6>4 AUG 6>4
F9 DEN-DTW JUN 2>3
*F9 DEN-GEG MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3
F9 DEN-LAS JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
*F9 DEN-SAT MAY 0.9>0.5 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0
F9 DEN-SEA JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
F9 DEN-SMF MAY 1.9>3 JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.8>3 AUG 1.9>3
*F9 DEN-TUS MAY 2>0.5 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0
*F9 MCI-AUS AUG 0.7>0.5
*F9 MCI-DCA MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 0.8>0.6
*F9 MCI-HOU APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*F9 MCI-LAX APR 0.7>0.4 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0
F9 MCI-SEA APR 0.6>0.3
*F9 MCI-SFO APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0
*F9 MKE-BOS MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*F9 MKE-DCA APR 1.9>1.4 MAY 1.9>0.9 JUN 1.8>0.8 JUL 1.9>0.9 AUG 1.9>0.9 SEP 0.5>0.2
*F9 MKE-DFW APR 1.7>0.4 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0
*F9 MKE-EWR APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0
*F9 MKE-GRR APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0
*F9 MKE-MCI APR 3>1.3 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 0.8>0
*F9 MKE-PHL APR 0.9>0.0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0
*F9 MKE-PHX APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
What?
*F9 MKE-PIT MAY 0>0.8 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7

So it was an error
*FL MDW-CUN MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.3>0

IS ACK-HYA MAR 14>12 APR 14>12 MAY 14>12 JUN 14>12 JUL 14>12 AUG 14>12 SEP 14>11 OCT 14>12

JJ MIA-GRU JUL 2>1.7
JJ MIA-REC JUL 0>0.1

JL ROR-NRT MAR 0>0.2

OZ BOS-LAX APR 0.0>1.0
OZ ROR-ICN SEP 0.3>0.6 OCT 0.3>0.5

PK ORD-BCN APR 0.3>0 MAY 0.3>0 JUN 0.3>0 JUL 0.3>0 AUG 0.3>0 SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.3>0

How did they get a slot?
*SY DCA-LAN MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>1.0
*SY LAN-MSP MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>1.0

TJ ACK-HPN MAY 0>0.7 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3
TJ ACK-TEB JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3
TJ SJU-SBH MAR 5>1.7 APR 5>1.8 MAY 5>1.0 JUN 5>0.8 JUL 5>0 AUG 5>0 SEP 5>0 OCT 5>0
TJ STT-SBH MAR 0.7>0.2 APR 0.7>0.1 MAY 0.7>0.0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0

TK JFK-IST MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3

UA CLE-MCO MAY 3>2 JUN 0.6>0.4
UA DEN-DRO MAY 7>6
UA DEN-MCI MAY 7>6
UA DEN-MEM MAY 2>1.5
UA DEN-PDX MAY 4>3
UA DEN-RAP MAY 7>6
UA EWR-SAN MAY 0.1>1.1
UA EWR-YYZ JUN 0>1.6 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>2
UA IAD-JST MAY 1.6>1.0
UA IAD-YQB AUG 0>0.1 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
UA IAH-YVR MAY 0.7>1.0
UA LAX-AUS MAY 2>1.5
UA LAX-BFL MAY 2>1.5
UA LAX-HNL MAY 4>3 JUL 4>3
UA LAX-LIH MAY 1.1>1.0
UA LAX-PIT MAY 1.0>0.7
UA LAX-SAN MAY 13>12
UA LAX-SBA MAY 8>7
UA LAX-SLC MAY 2>1.5
UA OGG-KOA SEP 0.2>0 OCT 0.1>0
UA

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7052 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11319 times:

UA OGG-KOA SEP 0.2>0 OCT 0.1>0
UA ORD-ATL MAY 8>7
UA ORD-DCA MAY 14>11
UA ORD-DLH JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3
UA ORD-GEG JUN 0.8>0
UA ORD-GSO MAY 5>4
UA ORD-LAX MAY 8>7
UA ORD-LGA MAY 15>13
UA ORD-MCI MAY 8>7
UA ORD-MSP MAY 12>10
UA ORD-OGG SEP 0.2>0 OCT 0.1>0
UA ORD-STL MAY 10>9
UA ORD-TYS MAY 5>4
UA ORD-YVR MAY 4>3
UA ORD-YXU MAY 1.9>1.7
UA SFO-LAX MAY 13>12
UA SFO-OGG MAY 3>2 AUG 3>4
UA SFO-YYZ MAY 1.0>0.9

*UN LAX-DME MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.2

US CLT-DEN JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
US DCA-ACK JUL 1.0>1.7 AUG 1.0>1.7
*US DCA-CVG MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3
*US DCA-DSM MAY 0>1.6 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7
US PHL-GCM JUN 0.6>0.3 JUL 0.6>0.3 AUG 0.4>0.2
US PHL-PLS JUN 0.6>0.3 JUL 0.5>0.3 AUG 0.4>0.2
US PHL-STT JUN 0.7>0.5 JUL 0.7>0.4 AUG 0.5>0.4
US PHL-SXM JUN 0.8>0.5 JUL 0.7>0.4 AUG 0.5>0.3
US PHX-CLT JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
US PHX-EWR JUN 3>4
US PHX-FLL JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.4

VB IAH-MTY JUN 0.0>0.5 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.5 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.4
VB LAS-MTY JUN 0.1>0.6 JUL 0>0.6 AUG 0>0.6 SEP 0>0.6 OCT 0>0.5
VB MCO-MTY JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.1 SEP 0>0.2 OCT 0>0.1
VB MDW-MTY JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.1 SEP 0>0.2 OCT 0>0.1
VB MIA-MTY MAY 0.3>0.1 JUN 0.0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1 AUG 0>0.1 SEP 0>0.2 OCT 0>0.1
VB SAT-MTY APR 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.1>0.4 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.4

VS LAX-LHR APR 2>1.9 OCT 2>1.6
VS MCO-LGW MAY 3>1.9
VS SFO-LHR APR 1.4>1.3

*VW SAT-SLW APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.5 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.5

WP HNL-MKK MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7 AUG 8>7 SEP 8>7 OCT 8>7
WP MKK-HNL MAR 6>5 APR 6>5 MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5 AUG 6>5 SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5

WS HNL-YVR MAY 0.9>1.0
WS OGG-YVR MAY 0.9>1.1
*WS ORD-YVR MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
*WS ORD-YYC MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9

ZK DEN-ISN MAR 3>5 APR 3>5 MAY 3>5 JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5 AUG 3>5 SEP 3>5 OCT 3>5
ZK GCC-ISN MAR 2>0.2 APR 2>0 MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0
ZK IWD-MSP MAR 0>1.3 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>2


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4037 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11088 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 MCI-AUS AUG 0.7>0.5
*F9 MCI-DCA MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 0.8>0.6
*F9 MCI-HOU APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*F9 MCI-LAX APR 0.7>0.4 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0
F9 MCI-SEA APR 0.6>0.3
*F9 MCI-SFO APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0

We've talked about MKE ad nauseum, but are we also witnessing the demise of the MCI experiment?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
How did they get a slot?
*SY DCA-LAN MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>1.0
*SY LAN-MSP MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>1.0

I agree, it came out of nowhere. Did they somehow get that AIR21 slot from US?

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*US DCA-CVG MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3
*US DCA-DSM MAY 0>1.6 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7

These look like fairly solid routes. CVG needed more service and DSM, well, we'll see.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US PHX-EWR JUN 3>4

Could this be in response to DL cutting back SLC-EWR?


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2396 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10947 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

CO LAX-HNL JUN 2>5 JUL 2>6 AUG 2>6 SEP 2>4 OCT 2>4
CO LAX-HNL JUN 2>5 JUL 2>6 AUG 2>6 SEP 2>5 OCT 2>5
CO LAX-KOA JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
CO LAX-KOA JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
CO LAX-OGG JUL 0>2 AUG 0>1.9 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
CO ORD-CLE MAY 13>12
CO SFO-HNL JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
CO SFO-HNL JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2

As expected, the ETOPS-rated sCO 757-33Ns begin to replace the domestic UA 763ERs from the West Coast to Hawaii.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10929 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SLC-EWR JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 1.8>1.0 SEP 1.7>1.0 OCT 1.7>1.0
DL SLC-JFK JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5

Not really a big surprise i guess choosing more JFK over EWR they are trying to focus more on the NYC market LGA and JFK. I wouldn't be too surprised if they added the second back for ski season though that flight fills extremely well from EWR in the winter. With the co/ua marriage i bet UA is getting more and more of the connections to the smaller mountain west airports thru DEN because of the co ff base too.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16829 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10884 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 3):
As expected, the ETOPS-rated sCO 757-33Ns begin to replace the domestic UA 763ERs from the West Coast to Hawaii.

Yup, 757-300s replacing the 767-300s from LAX-HNL, OGG and KOA. I don't see any 757-300s from SFO to Hawaii, yet.



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User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10858 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO LAX-HNL JUN 2>5 JUL 2>6 AUG 2>6 SEP 2>4 OCT 2>4
CO LAX-HNL JUN 2>5 JUL 2>6 AUG 2>6 SEP 2>5 OCT 2>5

Why the different values?
It will be interesting to see the associated drops in UA flights. I can't imagine staying 7-ish flights a day.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA ORD-DCA MAY 14>11
UA SFO-LAX MAY 13>12
UA ORD-MSP MAY 12>10
UA ORD-LGA MAY 15>13

I think some of these cuts answer the questions on where some of the cross-fleeting birds are coming from.


User currently offlineJosh32121 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10826 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-AEX MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
DL ATL-SFO JUL 7>8
DL ATL-TPA JUL 12>13 AUG 12>13
DL BOS-BDA SEP 1.0>0.8
DL DTW-GRB OCT 6>5
DL GFK-MSP OCT 7>6
DL IND-MSP JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
DL JFK-IND JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>2
DL JFK-MEX OCT 1.9>2
DL JFK-STL JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>2
DL JFK-YHZ MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>0.3
DL LAX-ATL JUL 10>11 AUG 10>11 SEP 10>11 OCT 10>11
DL LGA-MHT JUN 0.9>0.7 JUL 1.7>1.2 AUG 2>1.5 SEP 2>1.3 OCT 2>1.5
DL LGA-YHZ MAY 0.2>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.7>1.4
DL PHL-CDG APR 1.0>0.8
*DL SLC-EWR JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 1.8>1.0 SEP 1.7>1.0 OCT 1.7>1.0
DL SLC-FCA SEP 3>4
DL SLC-JFK JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5

I was booked ATL-MFE on DL on 11MAY12 returning 13MAY12. I received a call from Delta this morning telling me the service (and station in fact) was dropped effective May 1, and I had the option of getting a refund or being rebooked on AA. I had wondered if this was on the horizon because they dropped from two daily flights to one (the only DL flight to that station) between March and May. Anyway, I have been looking for this change in your weekly updates (very interesting reads each week, BTW; thank you, enilria!) but have not seen that. Did I miss it? If not, how soon will this be published? Next week perhaps?


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7514 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10785 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO IAH-LOS MAR 1.0>0.7 APR 1.0>0.8 MAY 1.0>0.8 JUN 1.0>0.8 OCT 1.0>0.7

Seasonal or off to a rocky start?



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2858 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10644 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA DFW-CYS APR 1.0>0.1 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

This drop was already publicly announced last week. No surprise to see this long, thin Eagle RJ route go - especially after it was quickly reduced to a daily frequency after a 2x daily start.

http://www.wyomingnews.com/articles/...breaking_news/01break_02-07-12.txt

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA MIA-TYS APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

Another unsurprising Eagle casualty. As with SAV, I honestly doubt TYS has much O&D to South Florida, and its probably much easier to connect via ATL when headed to the Caribbean and Latin America. Makes me wonder about the viability of some of these other Eagle RJ routes from MIA to smaller southern markets, such as BHM, PNS, SDF, GNV, and CHS.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-MKE APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4

I read on another thread that mainline is once again returning to this route?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
As predicted last week. Reaction to VX.
B6 BOS-LAX JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3

I'm amazed at how threatened B6 feels by VX when they have largely shifted their network focus away from transcon flying. They are adding all kinds of Latin America/Caribbean stuff and p2p Northeast/Mid-Atlantic-Florida routes that VX won't touch with a ten foot pole.

IMO B6 waiting far too long to establish themselves at LAX. They could have entered the airport long before VX entered the picture, but only jumped in once it was clear VX was finally starting flights. They have lagged far behind the frequency of VX on all routes from LAX ever since, and as VX continues to strengthen its LAX hub and FF loyalty in the area, B6 will be hard pressed to do much of anything from LAX.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BW JFK-GEO MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.2

Interesting...have they flown this nonstop before?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO IAH-LOS MAR 1.0>0.7 APR 1.0>0.8 MAY 1.0>0.8 JUN 1.0>0.8 OCT 1.0>0.7

They are already reducing this service? Is it not doing well? I suppose the larger 777 might be a bit overkill for what was supposed to be a 787 route...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO LAX-HNL JUN 2>5 JUL 2>6 AUG 2>6 SEP 2>5 OCT 2>5
CO LAX-KOA JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO LAX-OGG JUL 0>2 AUG 0>1.9 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO SFO-HNL JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2

Oh no, it seems PMCO a/c are taking over the West Coast-Hawaii routes... Are these 737s? I'm going to miss those two class 767s...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-YHZ MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>0.3

I thought DL was already flying this? In any case, a great way to fill the void left by AA.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 DEN-BOI MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 DEN-SAT MAY 0.9>0.5 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0

No surprises here. These routes have been weak for quite some time thanks to excessive WN competition and a strong UA presence/following in the BOI and SAT markets.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 DEN-TUS MAY 2>0.5 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0

I wonder if this could be the beginning of the end for TUS. Tucson may get oppressively hot in the summer, but it is not a highly seasonal market like PSP - we don't see other airlines slashing frequency/routes during the summer months.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 MCI-AUS AUG 0.7>0.5
*F9 MCI-DCA MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 0.8>0.6
*F9 MCI-HOU APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*F9 MCI-LAX APR 0.7>0.4 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0
F9 MCI-SEA APR 0.6>0.3
*F9 MCI-SFO APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0

So much for MCI doing well. I get that they don't want to overfly the DEN hub, but with the p2p stuff to Texas getting cut and even DCA getting reduced, there doesn't seem to be much hope for MCI. Which is fine, since WN is a major player there that sharply limits opportunities for F9. F9 is probably better off going after markets like COS where there is WN to worry about  .

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 MKE-BOS MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
*F9 MKE-DCA APR 1.9>1.4 MAY 1.9>0.9 JUN 1.8>0.8 JUL 1.9>0.9 AUG 1.9>0.9 SEP 0.5>0.2
*F9 MKE-DFW APR 1.7>0.4 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0
*F9 MKE-EWR APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0
*F9 MKE-GRR APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0
*F9 MKE-MCI APR 3>1.3 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 0.8>0
*F9 MKE-PHL APR 0.9>0.0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.8>0 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.9>0
*F9 MKE-PHX APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
What?
*F9 MKE-PIT MAY 0>0.8 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7

Wow, no more MKE-BOS and MKE-DCA is getting reduced in frequency?? I certainly would have expected F9 to remain a major player on those routes until WN starts them on its own metal.

Not sure about the return of MKE-PIT, maybe they are contractually obligated to do a minimum amount of MKE ERJ flying for the time being? Or maybe the airport cut them a good deal to bring it back, or maybe they need to put otherwise idle birds to work.

Any idea what will happen with the EWR and DCA slots?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
So it was an error
*FL MDW-CUN MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.3>0

Interesting...still no verdict on who gets it.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
JL ROR-NRT MAR 0>0.2
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
OZ ROR-ICN SEP 0.3>0.6 OCT 0.3>0.5

What's up with ROR these days? It seems they keep getting all kinds of additional service.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*UN LAX-DME MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.2

Interesting - they decide to challenge SU on their established LAX route rather than go into other markets like MIA that have no direct competition. I guess it was a more attractive venture than something like ORD, SFO, or SEA?

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*US DCA-CVG MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3

First DCA-MEM and now DCA-CVG. Looks like US fully expects DL to abandon those hubs sooner than later.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*WS ORD-YVR MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
*WS ORD-YYC MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9

Nice to see a strong competitor finally emerging on the ORD-Western Canada routes.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16829 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10626 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Oh no, it seems PMCO a/c are taking over the West Coast-Hawaii routes... Are these 737s? I'm going to miss those two class 767s...

757-300.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10607 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA EWR-SAN MAY 0.1>1.1

Nice add. Hopefully it's on a PMUA 757

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 4):

Not really a big surprise i guess choosing more JFK over EWR they are trying to focus more on the NYC market LGA and JFK. I wouldn't be too surprised if they added the second back for ski season though that flight fills extremely well from EWR in the winter.

Usually it goes 2x daily during the summer and then back to 1x daily on certain days of the week in the fall and winter.



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User currently offlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3397 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10482 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL PHL-CDG APR 1.0>0.8

Dropping frequency right when it comes back? Unless they plan to boost it back to daily in the May/June timeframe.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7052 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10308 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
We've talked about MKE ad nauseum, but are we also witnessing the demise of the MCI experiment?

How far behind can the canning of MCI-AUS/MSY be if COS-LAX is better than MCI-LAX?

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
I agree, it came out of nowhere. Did they somehow get that AIR21 slot from US?

I wonder if it is wishful thinking. Otherwise it is either an emergency exemption or US kindly let them cover one of their slots for free since they don't care much about LAN.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
Could this be in response to DL cutting back SLC-EWR?

I doubt it, but maybe

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 3):
As expected, the ETOPS-rated sCO 757-33Ns begin to replace the domestic UA 763ERs from the West Coast to Hawaii.

Ahh, I wondered what that was

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 4):
Not really a big surprise i guess choosing more JFK over EWR they are trying to focus more on the NYC market LGA and JFK.

Good point

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 6):
Why the different values?

It is either out of balance or one is rounding up with x.5 and the other is rounding down with x.4. Usually I only take the first one alphabetically unless it is a hub, but that one slipped through.

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 7):
Anyway, I have been looking for this change in your weekly updates (very interesting reads each week, BTW; thank you, enilria!) but have not seen that.

Thanks my friend. Haven't heard that, but it is not uncommon to "zero out" a route, but not remove it from OAG. It could be a political thing. It could be forthcoming.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
This drop was already publicly announced last week. No surprise to see this long, thin Eagle RJ route go - especially after it was quickly reduced to a daily frequency after a 2x daily start.

I think it bodes poorly for several similar oddball routes they have added in the last 18 months.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA MIA-TYS APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

Another unsurprising Eagle casualty.

Agreed. I never got that route. I don't get F9 on TYS-DEN either...except the subsidy part I understand.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-MKE APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4

I read on another thread that mainline is once again returning to this route?

Well, a frequency reduction is not surprising because F9 has left and now fares will go up.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
As predicted last week. Reaction to VX.
B6 BOS-LAX JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3

I'm amazed at how threatened B6 feels by VX when they have largely shifted their network focus away from transcon flying.

I think B6 is threatened by anybody. They react to everything.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 DEN-TUS MAY 2>0.5 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0

I wonder if this could be the beginning of the end for TUS. Tucson may get oppressively hot in the summer, but it is not a highly seasonal market like PSP - we don't see other airlines slashing frequency/routes during the summer months.

I didn't know they were dropping this one. I didn't remember seeing it on the F9 thread. I assume it is seasonal, but who knows.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
So much for MCI doing well. I get that they don't want to overfly the DEN hub,

COS to anywhere is overflying the DEN hub. LOL

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Wow, no more MKE-BOS and MKE-DCA is getting reduced in frequency?? I certainly would have expected F9 to remain a major player on those routes until WN starts them on its own metal.

BOS is no shock, but DCA at 1 is. Maybe that is where SY's slot came from? Perhaps they are covering F9's slot?

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Not sure about the return of MKE-PIT, maybe they are contractually obligated to do a minimum amount of MKE ERJ flying for the time being?

It makes no sense at all. It is probably a mistake. That whole fleet is going away, why spend any money reversing a decision already made.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
What's up with ROR these days? It seems they keep getting all kinds of additional service.

I want to go there.  
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
I guess it was a more attractive venture than something like ORD, SFO, or SEA?

ORD would be better IMHO

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
First DCA-MEM and now DCA-CVG. Looks like US fully expects DL to abandon those hubs sooner than later.
Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
These look like fairly solid routes. CVG needed more service and DSM, well, we'll see.

I think US is actually helping DL close these hubs by US providing any kind of other service.

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 12):
Dropping frequency right when it comes back? Unless they plan to boost it back to daily in the May/June timeframe.

If that is the first month back, I bet it is really a week delay in the resumption.


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2396 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10172 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Oh no, it seems PMCO a/c are taking over the West Coast-Hawaii routes... Are these 737s? I'm going to miss those two class 767s...

As noted, mostly 757-300s, but there are some 737-900 flights (SFO-HNL), 737-800 (existing, LAX-HNL) and 767-400 (existing, SFO-HNL). A sCO 753 replaces a sUA 752 on one LAX-KOA frequency. LAX-OGG gets two 753s to replace the 763s.

SFO-KOA/OGG retains 763s at the moment.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 11):
Nice add. Hopefully it's on a PMUA 757

Ask and ye shall receive!  

UA.309..F9.Y9.B9.M9.E9.U9.H9./EWR.A.SAN.1..1529....1827..E0.752.N.....5:58


User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2038 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10154 times:

SY now seems to end MSP-LAN-DCA in July. They also are starting MSP-GRB-MCO for a public charter company called Metjet. See http://www.metjet.net/index.asp for more information.


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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10155 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 14):

Saw that! Also EWR-BOS get a PMUA 757 as well. That's incredible!



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User currently offlineATLgaUSA From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10125 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA MIA-TYS APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

Another unsurprising Eagle casualty. As with SAV, I honestly doubt TYS has much O&D to South Florida, and its probably much easier to connect via ATL when headed to the Caribbean and Latin America. Makes me wonder about the viability of some of these other Eagle RJ routes from MIA to smaller southern markets, such as BHM, PNS, SDF, GNV, and CHS.

There's a decent O&D market between BHM and South Florida. 214 passengers each day between Birmingham and Miami (75), Fort Lauderdale (101), and Palm Beach (38) combined. According to Faremeasure.com, American carries 76% of the O&D passengers between BHM and MIA.


User currently offlineErj170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10111 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LGA-RDU APR 8>9 MAY 8>9 JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9 AUG 8>9 SEP 8>9 OCT 8>9
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA ORD-RDU APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5

If they keep it up, LGA-RDU will back up to it's 11 daily flights... As for ORD, I hope it's mainline service..

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO EWR-RDU MAY 7>5
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO IAH-RDU MAY 5>4

uhmm.. Ouch!



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2396 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10092 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 16):

Saw that! Also EWR-BOS get a PMUA 757 as well. That's incredible!

It will be interesting to see how they handle the split terminal ops at BOS for the time being. While we're at it, I wonder if we will see these flights at EWR/C as well? UA does not have much space left at EWR/A.

As they are loaded in the schedule now, the BOS-EWR (early AM) and EWR-BOS (PM) flights show as operating out of BOS/C and EWR/A.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9951 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 19):

Willing to bet UA mainline will operate out of C, PMCO mainline out of A -- at Logan. I'd expect all UA mainline flights to operate out of terminal C at EWR because they only have 2-4 gates in Terminal A and there will a higher presence of UA mainline at EWR come May. Thus meaning there will not be enough room in A for UA planes.

Don't forget, UA has a crew base in BOS and PMCO does not. Better to keep the UA and CO employees where they belong until they condense into B.



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User currently offlineBobLoblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1649 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9949 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*F9 MCI-HOU APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0

This route to me was a sure sign that F9 was flailing about. There was neer any reson to serve this market.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
*AA DFW-CYS APR 1.0>0.1 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
This drop was already publicly announced last week. No surprise to see this long, thin Eagle RJ route go - especially after it was quickly reduced to a daily frequency after a 2x daily start.

Just more evidence that airports within 100 miles of major hubs cannot support legacy airline service. Why fly to DFW then connnect to ATL when you can drive to DEN in 60-75 minutes and fly 15 flights per day to ATL??? Add CYS to a long list of failed service at similar sized cities. Face it, the CYS airport IS DEN.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Not sure about the return of MKE-PIT, maybe they are contractually obligated to do a minimum amount of MKE ERJ flying for the time being? Or maybe the airport cut them a good deal to bring it back, or maybe they need to put otherwise idle birds to work.

If they are contractually obligated to fly ERJ flying, fly MKE-GRR 4x daily. It is short, so it CANT lose that much plus there is a local market im told over over 70 PDEW.


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Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9817 times:

Quoting Erj170 (Reply 18):

3x M80 1x ER5 1x ER4



AT7, ER3, ER4, ER5, CR7, E70, E75, F100, M82, M83, 722, 732, 738, 752, 762, 763, AB6, 320, 321, 772, 77W
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Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9741 times:

AA DFW-GPT APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4

After a long period of stagnation amongst the airlines serving it, it's good to see GPT gaining an additional flight!



GEAUX SAINTS!
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Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9671 times:
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Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 21):
This route to me was a sure sign that F9 was flailing about. There was neer any reson to serve this market.

Southwest seems to think it is a good one. I don't think they're "flailing about." Maybe.

mariner



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25 mariner : Well, it's there - and as seasonal - but since I don't understand your very severe rules about what is "seasonal" probably better just to think it is
26 mariner : I think what we are really seeing the ghost of legacy Midwest being laid to rest. mariner
27 mariner : I think what we are really seeing is that the Delta retaliation - which you have claimed not to like - worked on MCI-LAX. mariner
28 FWAERJ : It's not listed here, but FWA-ORD is returning to a 4x daily schedule around the same time. So Eagle will still have 6 daily flights from FWA.
29 yellowtail : From the anecdotal evidence I am getting...it is non-rev dream......I suspect the 788 will do a lot to help it.
30 steeler83 : I know... I thought they went bye-bye...
31 Post contains images mariner : Things change. The Apple Vacations schedule says that Frontier will take over PIT-CUN/PUJ from Airtran in August. That's a change. mariner[Edited 201
32 apodino : The only reason for this is because RW and RP are shuttering the MKE crew domicile and likely their MX base as well, and this would be to get the pla
33 mikefrommke : So while that probably has a lot to do with it, RAH also has an operation in CMH that could fill their obligation to RHI. They only need one line for
34 icelandair75w : OZ BOS-LAX APR 0.0>1.0 UA *Alliance codeshare I assume or a mistake?
35 usflyguy : Southwest has a bit more of a presence on both ends of this route...
36 slcdeltarumd11 : or more than anything they just dont expect too much retaliation by flying to MEM or CVG. Its a safe(ish) add to some markets with business traffic p
37 mariner : Southwest probably has a bit more of a presence at each end of MCI-LAS/MCO/TPA and they're okay. MCI-HOU might have been okay, then Southwest spat th
38 Post contains images enilria : I think they are just buying time by extending the end date, but where does the slot come from? MetroJet lives! ...and soon dies again. Again, I don'
39 MountainFlyer : BOI is sure getting the shaft lately. They lost a lot of their Southwest flights already and it seems everyone else is cutting there as well except m
40 nkops : Please forgive me if this was answered and I somehow missed it, but what airline is this??
41 mariner : Since Delta dropped that retaliation on those two, maybe they're doing okay. Whether they will continue to do okay is unknown to me - I can't predict
42 AAtakeMeAway : This seams dramatic. Is there a upgrade of equipment?
43 STT757 : A lot of these reductions with EWR and IAH are not really reductions, the reason being that UAX flights from EWR and IAH, to anywhere but IAD, DEN an
44 kgaiflyer : Local political instability has scared off all but the most dedicated business people.
45 Post contains images kgaiflyer : I flew this route January 28th on a 739ER (not a bad trip, by the way ). I would assume (perhaps incorrectly) that it will continue to be CO equipmen
46 STT757 : Schedules show 3 daily for May, 2 daily PMCO 737-800s and 1 daily PMUA 757.
47 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Years ago this route was one 735 a day. With the 735s being withdrawn, CR7s have only 2 less F class seats than the 735s. So OO is slowly taking over
48 enilria : I have noticed that. I wonder if it is local economic reasons or just bad luck. BOI-LAX was the first thing AA cancelled when they filed Ch11. I had
49 Post contains images mariner : The Delta retaliation was only dropped at the beginning of February, so I dunno what DOT numbers you're working from, but - you may be right. I'm not
50 enilria : Oh, then I understand them leaving it. I didn't realize WN was flying that. TUS has always not had a lot of WN service. I noted that. I appreciate th
51 MountainFlyer : Yes, it will be interesting to see if they can pick up another carrier. Nearby MOT (125 miles) is the closest non-EAS airport to ISN. They are curren
52 mariner : Yes, I saw that. One route in - how many years have you been posting? - doesn't seem like a lot. Oh. I thought I'd made that quite clear. I can expan
53 AAtakeMeAway : I understand; that's interesting. Thanks for the info!
54 Post contains images enilria : That would be great for them. OO is the likely party. That's not true. I liked DSM and I said it would do better with 2x from the git-go. I actually
55 mariner : I didn't post it on the Frontier thread - I posted it here, in this thread, reply #26. Quite astonishing how people try to impose my reactions on me.
56 KaiGywer : From what I've been told, the runway at ISN isn't big enough for a CRJ. I know XJ used to run charters IAH-MOT on the CR9 for oil companies.
57 MountainFlyer : Not being familiar with the CR2 limitations I couldn't say for sure, but I would guess it is long enough, at least now. I believe they just resurface
58 AVLAirlineFreq : In another thread a few months ago where the topic of expanded service to ISN came up, someone said the issue is that there are power lines at the en
59 enilria : F9 always had eyes on MCI as well. They thought about doing some of the same things and flew a few Mexico routes from there. Ahh, I didn't take that
60 mariner : I'm not sure why you're determined to turn this into a proxy Frontier thread, I thought it was OAG. Still, if we must: Certainly, Frontier flies some
61 PSU.DTW.SCE : While not loaded into OAG or in the updated DL timetables, they have zero'd out the inventory for the following routes: ATL-MFE MEM-LBB Both MFE &
62 Post contains images enilria : I would say among people I know in the industry who know of you, but that don't follow a.net religiously, you are known as somebody who "tows the com
63 mariner : I expect a lot of people here think that - I know some do. I'm not sure where this belongs in an OAG thread. mariner[Edited 2012-02-16 10:07:42]
64 BoeingGuy : What was the farce about it? AS is starting MCI-SEA soon.
65 mariner : Indeed, Alaska is - because Alaska, like most of us, thought Southwest was dropping the route. Then Southwest wasn't. mariner
66 sw733 : Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me. People here (MCI) seem to think WN is the best, and everyone else is just another airline. When Midwest was around
67 smoot4208 : I guess it didn't show up in this OAG thread so it'll probably be in next weeks but, CVG-ORF and MEM-EWR/LBB ends in May. It also appears that MEM-EVV
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