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First DL 744 With Cabin Mods In Service  
User currently offlineCAP2008 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 255 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18372 times:

It looks like the first DL 744 has finally made it out of mods and is starting to fly revenue routes with the new cabin. I've heard speculation that there was a delay with installing the AVOD monitors in Y but havn't heard whether they were actually installed or not. Could anyone shed some light on this as well as any other DL 744s currently in for cabin mods?

It looks like she flew her first revenue flight out of mods on 26 Jan (NRT-DTW). For tomorrow, 15 Feb, she's scheduled to fly DTW-NGO, with the new seating arrangement (48J/328Y) showing on DeltaNet.


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N670US

This mod has yet to show up on the Delta Product upgrads page.

http://www.delta.com/traveling_check...ght_services/products/progress.jsp


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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18296 times:

Quoting CAP2008 (Thread starter):

There's a pic floating around the forums that shows Y with the new monitors. Looks pretty nice.



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2403 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18195 times:

Now that looks pretty sweet. I think the reverse herringbone is the best J configuration in the business. I'm not a huge fan of leather but everything else seems awesome.

Can't wait to hitch a ride.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18195 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 1):
There's a pic floating around the forums that shows Y with the new monitors. Looks pretty nice.

For those who haven't seen it yet:
http://www.airliners.net/uf/9174/phphHYYlh.jpeg



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18042 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 3):
For those who haven't seen it yet:

I think it's fair to say that this brings the old 744 right up to date. It looks fantastic, to my mind. The only negative for me is the relative sterility of the DL cabin. The seats are blue, the carpets are blue, the walls and lighting are white. While it is completely inoffensive, very practical and timeless I think a little imagination would not have gone astray. An oversized truncated widget and the DL logo on the centre bulkhead, perhaps.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 17929 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 4):
I think it's fair to say that this brings the old 744 right up to date. It looks fantastic, to my mind. The only negative for me is the relative sterility of the DL cabin. The seats are blue, the carpets are blue, the walls and lighting are white. While it is completely inoffensive, very practical and timeless I think a little imagination would not have gone astray. An oversized truncated widget and the DL logo on the centre bulkhead, perhaps.

I personally would have liked it if DL updated the bins a bit. As far as I know, there are no aftermarket pivot bin packages available for the main cabin for the 747, only Boeing offers them as part of their official Signature Interior retrofit. DL's 763ER overhead bin pivot mods I believe are a Heath Tecna product (the NuLook 767 PBI package).



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User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 17817 times:

I believe that the next aircraft being updated is N663US, which according to FlightAware arrived in NRT on 12/17/11, and hasn't flown since. Also N662US arrived in NRT on 01/26 and could be the third to be done. It shouldn't take as long to do these updates as it took N670US, assuming they are being done in PEK, as they now know what's got to be done! Btw N670US first revenue flight routed DTW/NRT/MNL/NRT/DTW on 02/03-05 and then it flew a military charter flight from BWI/RMS/BWI on 02/08-09.

[Edited 2012-02-14 14:38:03]

User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3013 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17698 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 4):
I think it's fair to say that this brings the old 744 right up to date. It looks fantastic, to my mind. The only negative for me is the relative sterility of the DL cabin. The seats are blue, the carpets are blue, the walls and lighting are white. While it is completely inoffensive, very practical and timeless I think a little imagination would not have gone astray. An oversized truncated widget and the DL logo on the centre bulkhead, perhaps.

Completely agreed! Glad to see this happening on these grandes dames of the sky!



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17679 times:

I must say that the new cabin looks very smart indeed. Well done to DL for implementing it & being able to compete better with others on their routes.

Are the AVOD screens touch screen or to be used with a remote?


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 17554 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 8):
Are the AVOD screens touch screen or to be used with a remote?

They are touchscreen, as are all PMDL AVOD aircraft in Y.



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User currently offlineJAFA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 782 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16756 times:

The current bins on the main deck 747-400 dont need to be changed. I am glad they didn't, that would be a waste of money. I would agree that they need to finish the project that NWA started upgrading the bins on the upper deck to the pivot bins.

I think pivot bins are awful. 1. They really dont hold a lot of luggage. Unlike the current shelf bins you cant place a roller bag on its side in a pivot bin. 2. While you can close an empty pivot bin with one finger (thats cute), its doesn't work so well when its full of bags. I am a 6'2" dude - and its difficult to close the 777 bins when loaded with bags. 3. While I like the look of the pivot bins when closed they are not so functional. And the 747 bins looks just fine.


User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3624 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16712 times:

Well this will take Delta off my "do not fly" list on the JFK-NRT route once this is complete. I've been waiting for these upgrades to be done. Delta's fares often beat their competitors on that route but the service offered on ANA and JAL is more than worth the premium given DL's current cabins on that route. This will bring them up to par.


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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16542 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
As far as I know, there are no aftermarket pivot bin packages available for the main cabin for the 747, only Boeing offers them as part of their official Signature Interior retrofit.

Does Boeing even offer that for the 744? I thought it was only available on new-build aircraft.



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User currently offlineGCPET From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2012, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15503 times:

Very Nice! Good to see Delta updating the 747 for many more years in service 

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User currently offlinepqdtw From Netherlands, joined Aug 2008, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15494 times:

Quoting JAFA (Reply 10):
The current bins on the main deck 747-400 dont need to be changed. I am glad they didn't, that would be a waste of money. I would agree that they need to finish the project that NWA started upgrading the bins on the upper deck to the pivot bins.


Agreed. I've been working the PMNW 744's since they came online in 1989, and I've never once had to gate check a bag because there was no baggage space left. The maindeck bins are huge and can accommodate all the bags brought onboard. Now, the upper deck bins are another story...


User currently offlineTJCAB From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15432 times:

It's probbly just me, but, i don't like it. I don't like leather upholstry on longhaul flights expecially in Y. The C class looks like a dental office IMO

User currently offlineakiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14822 times:

Quoting CAP2008 (Thread starter):
For tomorrow, 15 Feb, she's scheduled to fly DTW-NGO, with the new seating arrangement (48J/328Y) showing on DeltaNet.

Looks like MNL is going to be very lucky with getting the new modded 744s! 


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 14479 times:

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 12):
Does Boeing even offer that for the 744? I thought it was only available on new-build aircraft.

Somebody certainly does -- I thought there was a third party company though? QF will soon by retrofitting pivot bins into three 744's to bring them up to date with the -ER's.


User currently offlineTradewinds From Japan, joined Jun 2008, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13930 times:

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 11):
Delta's fares often beat their competitors on that route but the service offered on ANA and JAL is more than worth the premium given DL's current cabins on that route.

I don't know... DL is going to have to do a lot more than just add PTVs to compete service-wise with the Japanese carriers. The treatment I've gotten from JL/NH has always been lightyears ahead of any American carrier.

That said, I flew NW/DL 744s between Japan and the US probably three times a year for ten years, so it's nice to see a proper long-haul product in the cabin.



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User currently offlinevgnatl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 13321 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 4):
I think it's fair to say that this brings the old 744 right up to date. It looks fantastic, to my mind. The only negative for me is the relative sterility of the DL cabin. The seats are blue, the carpets are blue, the walls and lighting are white. While it is completely inoffensive, very practical and timeless I think a little imagination would not have gone astray.

Y looks ok, but that J cabin is boring as anything. A little imagination and ingenuity would have gone a LONG way. Apparently Delta isn't looking to stand out of the pack--another average product.



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1611 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 13148 times:

Quoting JAFA (Reply 10):
The current bins on the main deck 747-400 don't need to be changed. I am glad they didn't, that would be a waste of money. I would agree that they need to finish the project that NWA started upgrading the bins on the upper deck to the pivot bins.

Having worked on the NW 747-400's since they went into service I am really excited at the new look and seating. The AVOD in Y class is an especially welcome change passengers (and crews!) will love. The -400 outer sidewall bins are huge--the trick is getting max use of space by having pax turn their rollaboards onto their long sides rather than lie flat. You can really stuff those suckers that way. Unfortunatel, the mid cabin bins don't hold nearly as much.

The new overhead bin project on the upper deck was completed a couple of years ago.

I do think the cabins look a little sterile with the blue and white. A nice Widget (ALWAYS capitalized per Delta management!) on the bulkheads would look nice and give a dash of color. Years ago NW redid the interiors of their 747-100 and -200 aircraft and put a beautiful custom carved floral carpet design on the forward bulkheads. Unfortunately it was a bunch of white chrysanthemums which are a symbol of death to the Japanese. Whoops.

Hands down the 747 is still my all-time favorite aircraft to work aboard.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 12621 times:

Quoting JAFA (Reply 10):
I think pivot bins are awful. 1. They really dont hold a lot of luggage. .

That is where you are wrong. The pivot bins hold significantly more luggage than shelf bins. The problem with shelf bins is wasted space, where there is room above the cabin to fit a pivot bin. Therefore, with shelf bins, you get a smaller bin with more cabin encroachment. Boeing isn't stupid; they wouldn't have designed a new bin that is smaller than previous bins.

You should compare the pivot bins on DL's 764ERs vs. the shelf bins on DL's unmodded 763s. HUGE difference in bin capacity.



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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4894 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 12490 times:
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Official press release today; all 747s to be done by October 2012.

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1547

The link below has pics and a short video:

http://www.multivu.com/mnr/48935-del...lations-on-boeing-747-400-aircraft

Quoting CAP2008 (Thread starter):
It looks like she flew her first revenue flight out of mods on 26 Jan (NRT-DTW). For tomorrow, 15 Feb, she's scheduled to fly DTW-NGO

She also did a regular revenue DTW-NRT-DTW flight in early February.


User currently offlineJAFA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 782 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 11313 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 21):
You should compare the pivot bins on DL's 764ERs vs. the shelf bins on DL's unmodded 763s. HUGE difference in bin capacity.

Well actually I have, remember the part about me being a flight attendant. I would agree that the pivot bins on the 764 are a huge improvement than the shelf bins on the 763.

However, this discussion is about the 747. Instead of telling me I am wrong, how about just disagreeing with me? I think you are wrong, but you are entitled to your wrong opinion.  

Anyway - as much as I love reading things on A-net, I am not getting into a "BIN DEBATE". So I am officially back in lurk mode. I am off to the gym, wish they had 777 pivot bins full of luggage in lieu of a shoulder press.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4547 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 11187 times:

If I were DL I would have made the bins a tad smaller so the large roller bags won't fit. Then all those people who try and bring their luggage on board will be forced to have the bags checked. That will free bin space for smaller bags, coats, etc. I could say add padding and a seat belt and that is where we could stow screaming kids but that could be considered offensive  


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User currently onlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 25, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 11036 times:
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Quoting Indy (Reply 24):
If I were DL I would have made the bins a tad smaller so the large roller bags won't fit. Then all those people who try and bring their luggage on board will be forced to have the bags checked. That will free bin space for smaller bags, coats, etc. I could say add padding and a seat belt and that is where we could stow screaming kids but that could be considered offensive  

Then we would be stuck having to gate check all those bags, with a line of roll-aboards all the way up the jetway. Face it, the world is getting bigger and more and more people are flying. I agree that these carry-on bags are getting to be outrageous, but it's the nature of the beast. Aircraft interior designers love it because it gives them more things to tinker with.



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User currently offlineBWI5OH From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 10871 times:

Is this the same 747 that was sitting at BWI from 02/07/12/ to 02/11/12? According to another thread, this bird has the new mods, but don't know why they would be at BWI flying military charters with it.


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User currently offlineSYfan100 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 10889 times:

Looks really nice as it does bring things up to par with other Airlines that do fly with that type seating already on Asia routes/etc.  

User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 10805 times:

The seats look very nice but the colours just seem a bit clinical, could have done with a few other flashes of colour on the headrests or the end walls.

User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 10508 times:

The cabin looks great! Clean and still somewhat warm. It'd be nice to see less of that ugly plastic shell in businesselite.


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User currently offlinemcogator From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 10126 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 22):
Official press release today; all 747s to be done by October 2012.

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43...=1547

Sad news for me, as my chances are slim I'll be in a refurbished model when I fly JFK-NRT at the end of April and return in mid May. That's my only scheduled 744 service for this year so far.


User currently onlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 31, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 9889 times:
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Quoting mcogator (Reply 30):
Sad news for me, as my chances are slim I'll be in a refurbished model when I fly JFK-NRT at the end of April and return in mid May. That's my only scheduled 744 service for this year so far.

You never know



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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 9638 times:

Quoting mcogator (Reply 30):
Sad news for me, as my chances are slim I'll be in a refurbished model when I fly JFK-NRT at the end of April and return in mid May. That's my only scheduled 744 service for this year so far.

Maybe you'll get lucky. The last time flew on the NW/DL 744s, there were three registrations I specifically wanted to fly on because they had a little extra meaning to me. On the outbound flight I grabbed my #3 choice. On the return, I hit my #1 choice. With 16 planes in the fleet the chances weren't good, but sometimes it goes your way. Your odds in April/May should be better than mine were.


User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 9623 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 20):
Unfortunately it was a bunch of white chrysanthemums which are a symbol of death to the Japanese. Whoops.

"The Chrysanthemum and the Sword." Mad Men.  
Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 20):
A nice Widget (ALWAYS capitalized per Delta management!) on the bulkheads would look nice and give a dash of color.

That would be nice.



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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7536 posts, RR: 8
Reply 34, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 9590 times:

Quoting audidudi (Reply 6):
I believe that the next aircraft being updated is N663US, which according to FlightAware arrived in NRT on 12/17/11, and hasn't flown since. Also N662US arrived in NRT on 01/26 and could be the third to be done. It shouldn't take as long to do these updates as it took N670US, assuming they are being done in PEK, as they now know what's got to be done! Btw N670US first revenue flight routed DTW/NRT/MNL/NRT/DTW on 02/03-05 and then it flew a military charter flight from BWI/RMS/BWI on 02/08-09.

Yes, this aircraft is currently in PEK getting the mods.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 8):
Are the AVOD screens touch screen or to be used with a remote?

In Y they are touchscreen, in C they are both touchscreen and have a remote.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 20):
I do think the cabins look a little sterile with the blue and white. A nice Widget (ALWAYS capitalized per Delta management!) on the bulkheads would look nice and give a dash of color. Years ago NW redid the interiors of their 747-100 and -200 aircraft and put a beautiful custom carved floral carpet design on the forward bulkheads. Unfortunately it was a bunch of white chrysanthemums which are a symbol of death to the Japanese. Whoops.

There may be something coming, but not in the way that most people would say, watch for some clues in the March release of the new Delta commercial.

Quoting BWI5OH (Reply 26):
Is this the same 747 that was sitting at BWI from 02/07/12/ to 02/11/12? According to another thread, this bird has the new mods, but don't know why they would be at BWI flying military charters with it.

Yes, currently its doing mostly charters because we only have one, thus from logistics when you have a 65 C seat aircraft going down to mid 40's makes a big difference in last minute changes since aircraft are not typically assigned until 3 days out.



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User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 9590 times:

With at least 3 aircraft with the updates in service by then , that makes your odds at least 20%, maybe 25%, if 4 are done.

User currently offlinemcogator From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 9575 times:

Quoting audidudi (Reply 35):
With at least 3 aircraft with the updates in service by then , that makes your odds at least 20%, maybe 25%, if 4 are done.

One can only pray, or its Ambien and Jack and Diet's in Y+.

    


User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3624 posts, RR: 12
Reply 37, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9059 times:

Quoting Tradewinds (Reply 18):
I don't know... DL is going to have to do a lot more than just add PTVs to compete service-wise with the Japanese carriers. The treatment I've gotten from JL/NH has always been lightyears ahead of any American carrier.

I would at least try them if they kept their fares low with these new cabins. I can actually deal with surly inattentive crews (not that I like it, but I can deal), but what I can't handle is 14 hours with nothing to do. And unlike some, I can't read for 14 hours straight on an airplane. So a PTV system is kind of my minimum requirement for long-haul flying these days. Not having one is the quickest way for me to cross an airline off my list.

I think JAL and ANA have had them on that route for more than 10 years now. My first trip to Japan was in 2000 and I seem to remember they had them then, though I did get stuck on an old ANA 747 once that was probably similar to DL's 744's now (pre-upgrade).



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User currently offlineTradewinds From Japan, joined Jun 2008, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 8998 times:

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 37):
I would at least try them if they kept their fares low with these new cabins. I can actually deal with surly inattentive crews (not that I like it, but I can deal), but what I can't handle is 14 hours with nothing to do. And unlike some, I can't read for 14 hours straight on an airplane. So a PTV system is kind of my minimum requirement for long-haul flying these days. Not having one is the quickest way for me to cross an airline off my list.

I think JAL and ANA have had them on that route for more than 10 years now. My first trip to Japan was in 2000 and I seem to remember they had them then, though I did get stuck on an old ANA 747 once that was probably similar to DL's 744's now (pre-upgrade).

   I can agree with that. It gets a little trickier when you consider the freebies you tend to get on the Japanese carriers (especially for kids; I have a 3-year-old we travel with to Japan regularly so those things matter a lot!). It is good to see DL finally competing in terms of a decent Y product, though. My IFE for about a decade was Halcyon and beer!  



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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1933 posts, RR: 9
Reply 39, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 8863 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 20):
The -400 outer sidewall bins are huge--the trick is getting max use of space by having pax turn their rollaboards onto their long sides rather than lie flat. You can really stuff those suckers that way

Did the NW classics have aftermarket bins? I have always thought that they were larger than the -400 bins.......

http://www.heath.com/HeathTecnaUS/files/b5/b5e25b15-0737-4af7-81ca-a78ec62cdeb6.jpg



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User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3624 posts, RR: 12
Reply 40, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 8727 times:

Quoting Tradewinds (Reply 38):
It gets a little trickier when you consider the freebies you tend to get on the Japanese carriers (especially for kids; I have a 3-year-old we travel with to Japan regularly so those things matter a lot!). It is good to see DL finally competing in terms of a decent Y product, though. My IFE for about a decade was Halcyon and beer!

I did actually fly both Northwest and United once each on the JFK-NRT route in the 00's - I don't remember much about those flights except that I was upgraded to business class on United, which was nice, but there was *still* no IFE. Talk about a competitive disadvantage. No wonder there was no one flying business on that flight (they told me I was upgraded for weight balance!). I did drink quite a bit on that flight; it was free and I was bored.

The one old ANA 744 I got stuck on I do remember, because we had counted on them having PTV's (which they generally did at the time) and were a bit late for the flight and in a rush, so I had *nothing*. I spent the entire 14 hours leafing through the in-flight magazine. That was tough. My wife slept but I can't sleep on planes. These days I always buy a couple of my own magazines in advance, just in case.

I don't have kids so I don't know what other advantages JAL and ANA have over DL flying from the US. I do obviously like the service on the Japanese carriers but I'd probably have to just try DL to see if JAL or ANA is still worth the premium once DL installs PTV's. One thing in DL's favor is Economy Comfort - I'd pay a couple hundred bucks to be guaranteed more legroom (I'm 6'4"), which you can't really do on ANA or JAL... JAL's PE is just too expensive and ANA just doesn't have anything like that anymore. But up to now, I'd have rather taken my chances on getting an exit row if I'm guaranteed a PTV. I'll just have to try DL sometime in the future to see if the PTV's and Economy Comfort now make them a decent option for me on this route.



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8624 times:

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 28):
The seats look very nice but the colours just seem a bit clinical, could have done with a few other
flashes of colour on the headrests or the end walls.

There might well be a splash of red on the headrest covers -- it's impossible to tell from the back...


User currently offlineTradewinds From Japan, joined Jun 2008, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 8531 times:

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 40):
One thing in DL's favor is Economy Comfort - I'd pay a couple hundred bucks to be guaranteed more legroom (I'm 6'4"), which you can't really do on ANA or JAL...

At 6'7", I understand EXACTLY what you mean   In any event, it is nice that pretty much every option I have to fly to Japan (where my wife is from, so we travel there a couple of times a year usually) now has a decent product in Y. I do agree, though, that the cabin looks pretty sterile... even just a logo on the bulkhead would spice it up a bit.



Tradewinds
User currently offlineSkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 8290 times:

Remember one thing about the cabin becoming too sterile.....the R E D blankets  

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 44, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7596 times:

Another thing that I am a little disappointed in is that DL didn't update the tiny text-based lavatory signs on them. I really wish DL would have installed larger symbolic signs (the ones with the illuminating red X).

Were the PSUs updated at all?

[Edited 2012-02-16 14:13:31]


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User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7551 posts, RR: 28
Reply 45, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7483 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 44):
Another thing that I am a little disappointed in is that DL didn't update the tiny text-based lavatory signs on them. I really wish DL would have installed larger symbolic signs (the ones with the illuminating red X).

Don't worry, the did install DL seat markers, so you can rest a little easier there knowing that the seat markers will be more visually appealing, but the real question is whether the lavs got the faux wood grain floor.......


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 46, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 45):
Don't worry, the did install DL seat markers, so you can rest a little easier there knowing that the seat markers will be more visually appealing, but the real question is whether the lavs got the faux wood grain floor.......

The seat markers I think were already installed when DL added Economy Comfort, since the EC seat markers are red to make them easily identifiable.

BTW, I heard DL will do the same with the A319/A320s when they get EC. No more having to look below the bins to find the row numbers.



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User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1179 posts, RR: 10
Reply 47, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 46):
BTW, I heard DL will do the same with the A319/A320s when they get EC. No more having to look below the bins to find the row numbers.

This is true. Several 319/320 are flying with the new seat markers.


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 48, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7422 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 46):
BTW, I heard DL will do the same with the A319/A320s when they get EC. No more having to look below the bins to find the row numbers.

They are.



[Edited 2012-02-16 15:48:47]


Hey Swifty
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 49, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7337 times:

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 48):
They are.

Hmm, the design has changed a bit, reducing the 3-D effect that the ones on most of the PMDL fleet have.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 50, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7257 times:

Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 43):

Yep!! I remember some time last year when we got rid of the blue blankets there was an article on DeltaNet (employee site) and Richard said it was by request of Joanne Smith to give the cabin a little added "pop" from all the blue.

It does in fact add a little color. On all long-haul international flights and our flights to and from Hawaii blankets are provisioned on every coach seat and it makes things look less "doctor's office" like.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently onlinekhpn From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7109 times:

I'm Dying for a Trip report!

User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1179 posts, RR: 10
Reply 52, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6987 times:

Filler
Filler
Filler

[Edited 2012-02-16 18:56:32]

User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7536 posts, RR: 8
Reply 53, posted (2 years 6 months 6 days ago) and read 6607 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 45):

Don't worry, the did install DL seat markers, so you can rest a little easier there knowing that the seat markers will be more visually appealing, but the real question is whether the lavs got the faux wood grain floor.......

No, all the wood grain floors fleet wide are being removed for an ugly looking grey.



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User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 54, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6561 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 53):
No, all the wood grain floors fleet wide are being removed for an ugly looking grey.

I wondered about that! I was on a few Airbuses this past week and the lav had a gray floor that was different than the old gray.



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 55, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6154 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
I personally would have liked it if DL updated the bins a bit.
Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 12):
Does Boeing even offer that for the 744? I thought it was only available on new-build aircraft.

QF's refurbished 744s are getting BSI. I flew on one two weeks ago and the old dame looked brand spanking new. With the new A380 hard product and the 777-BSI bins she looked stunning!

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 48):

That's great! That's my biggest gripe with Airbus: since about 95% of my flying is on Boeing I can never find the seat numbers when I get on the "other lot"!!!



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 56, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6131 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 55):
QF's refurbished 744s are getting BSI. I flew on one two weeks ago and the old dame looked brand spanking new. With the new A380 hard product and the 777-BSI bins she looked stunning!

The 744ER's have always had the Signature Interiors... The refurb in the -ER's are simply the seats/carpets/bulkheads/galleys (so pretty much everything except the bins/sidewalls). The three additional aircraft (to be done mid-2012) will have the Signature Interior installed...


User currently offlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (2 years 6 months 5 days ago) and read 6008 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 45):
but the real question is whether the lavs got the faux wood grain floor.......

Just flew LAX-JFK on 757 and JFK-GRU on 764 and wood floors were gone on those planes. Now there is a dark gray non-slip surface. It doesn't look as nice but seems easier to clean and more sanitary, which is more important IMHO.


User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7536 posts, RR: 8
Reply 58, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5887 times:

Quoting klkla (Reply 57):

Just flew LAX-JFK on 757 and JFK-GRU on 764 and wood floors were gone on those planes. Now there is a dark gray non-slip surface. It doesn't look as nice but seems easier to clean and more sanitary, which is more important IMHO.

The pans are the same, since the floors were never actual wood grain they were just printed on, just like the current gray pans... so cleaning wise/sanitary would have no change.



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 59, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5495 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 56):
The 744ER's have always had the Signature Interiors... The refurb in the -ER's are simply the seats/carpets/bulkheads/galleys (so pretty much everything except the bins/sidewalls)

Oh, I was on a 744ER: VH-OEG. I didn't realise they were re-fitting the ERs with the A380 interior yet so I just presumed it was a regular 400. Still looked amazing though!



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 60, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5344 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 59):
Still looked amazing though!

Apologies for OT -- but I don't suppose you got any photos? There is a lack of anything on the internet!


User currently offlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4788 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 58):
The pans are the same, since the floors were never actual wood grain they were just printed on, just like the current gray pans... so cleaning wise/sanitary would have no change.

I probably shouldn't have used the word sanitary. The faux wood floors looked great at the beginning of flights but as the flight wore on they always looked dirty & gpt wet. They could also be slippery when wet (not to mention gross). The new floor is definitely more practical.


User currently offlineairtechy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 498 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4745 times:

It would be great if someone "in the know" could keep this thread updated. I book the ATl-NRT flight now, but would welcome another "lie-flat" route.

Jim


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