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Why On Some 757-200s Are There 10 Doors?  
User currently offlineHoons90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3051 posts, RR: 52
Posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2438 times:
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Some 757-200s have 2 doors on the middle and some dont. Why is that?


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User currently offlineVincent32 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2360 times:

By 10 doors I suppose that you mean 6 actual "doors" and 4 window exits. If thats the case, it is the airlines choice how that want the emergency exit configuration. It can be a total of 8 doors (4 on each side) or 6 doors and 4 window exits (3 doors and 2 window exits on each side).
I believe that on the 757-300's it is standard to have 12 exits, 8 doors and 4 windows.

Hope that helps.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineBoeing757fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2340 times:

You couldnt be further from the truth. The reason why some 757's only hav one window exit on each side is because those were the origianl 757's.. Look at Northwest for example...


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These 757's are non ETOPS. Meaning they are not certified to fly over large bodies of water (Atlantic Ocean, to Hawaii etc...)

Look at Continental's and United Airlines 757's...


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Hope this clears that up.

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy






User currently offlineBoeing757fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2337 times:

That Continental 757 was kinda hard to see, I think I linked it to the wrong photo..


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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2319 times:

With all due respect to Boeing757Fan, I would like to make some corrections:

"You couldnt be further from the truth. The reason why some 757's only hav one window exit on each side is because those were the origianl 757's.. Look at Northwest for example..."

The aircraft's original date of delivery has no bearing on the exits. Delta operates all 757's with 10 exits, yet they started taking deliveries on 2/28/85. According to Boeing757Fan, Northwest's 757's are old. However, NW also took its first 757 delivery on 2/28/85. Using this reasoning, both airlines should operate their 757's with 8 exits. However, we know this isn't true.

Additionally, I'm not sure if I have interpreted this statement correctly but ETOPS does not affect the number of exits. Ethiopian operates several 757-260ER yet these aircraft have 10 exits, the same number of exits as United and Continental's NON-ETOPS 757's.

Finally, ETOPS is not limited to over-water flying. It is more specifically defined as twin engine operations over large expanses of land, water, etc. with NO diversion airport(s). Thus, you could be theoretically cruising over land but if there's no diversion airport, then the aircraft would require some type of ETOPS certification.


User currently offlineBoeing757fan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Ok, I should have explained myself better. The older 757's that you were referring to did only have 1 exit above each wing. Northwest's first batch had this configuration. The second batch had 2 exits above each wing. I believe this is the same for most airlines that took the early deliveries and had later deliveries. ETOPS does have more to do than the exits, but, I guess it is part of it to have this configuration. I know I would like to have extra exits in case of a water landing...

here you go...

(I do know what I am talking about when it comes to the 757.. I dont just rattle on and on about something I dont have a clue about)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

It is true I dont know the specifics about ETOPS.


2 exits above each wing... This is a newr one.

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One of the first ones

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Delta is different. I cant figure that one out.

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User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

I believe Boeing757fan knows what he is talking about. And I also believe that Boeing757fan knows what ETOPS is.

when we have to refer to ETOPS, we don't wanna define it everytime when we say it. ( which is ETOPS is assumed as prior knowledge.)


wz respect to all // r panda


User currently offlineVincent32 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

Sorry for the wrong info guys.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineTupolev154B2 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

Are there still models with 1 door over the wing produced?

User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2601 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2265 times:
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Hi Boeing757fan!

There have never been any 757s produced with a single overwing exit on each side, the emergency exits are located behind the wing on aircraft that do not have overwing exits.

There always appears to be some confusion about the exits on the 757, and why there are 2 layouts.

To address the initial question, whether airlines choose to have their B757-200s with 6 Doors/2 Emergency Exits or 6 Doors/4 Overwing Exits is entirely down to their own preferences. There are no regulatory requirements, ETOPS or otherwise, that require a particular exit layout for a particular type of mission.

The only additional rules for ETOPS flights regarding exits are the additional liferafts required on the 757, which are stored in the roof or in overhead lockers adjacent to an exit - but the either exit layout is acceptable for ETOPS flights.

In fact the 757 without overwing exits is preferable for ETOPS missions because the liferaft can be placed out of the door directly into the water, and the slides from emergency exits 3L and 3R can be used as rafts. With overwing exits the liferafts have to be dragged over the wing into the water and the overwing slides don't detatch, so they cant be used as rafts!

The exit layout is also not an indication of an aircraft's age. Both configurations have been available since the start of the B757 programme...

All Delta's B757s have had 2 overwing exits from the first deliveries in 1985 to today.
All British Airways' B757s have a single emergency exit behind each wing from the first deliveries in 1982 to the last ones in 1997.

For reasons of commonality once a 757 operator has chosen an exit layout, whichever they prefer, there is very little chance of them changing that layout. The fact that Northwest did is an anomaly, and too much should not be read into their decision - I am unaware of the reasoning behind it.

As a quick summary, here are current operators by exit layout;

6 Doors/ 2 Emergency Exits
AeroMexico
Air 2000 (ETOPS)
Air Holland (ETOPS)
Air Transat (ETOPS)
Airtours (ETOPS)
America West
ATA (ETOPS)
Arkia (ETOPS)
Atlas
Avianca
Azerbaijan Airlines
Balair
Britannia Airways (ETOPS)
Britannia Airways AB (ETOPS)
British Airways (ETOPS)
British World Airlines
Canada 3000 Airlines (ETOPS)
China Southern Airlines
China Southwest Airlines
Finnair (ETOPS)
Greenlandair
Guyana Airways 2000
Icelandair (ETOPS)
JMC Airlines
LAPA Argentina
LTE International
LTU International Airways (ETOPS)
Mexicana
Monarch Airlines (ETOPS)
National Airlines
North American Airlines (ETOPS)
Northwest Airlines
Orient Eagle Airways
Royal Air Maroc
Royal Brunei Airlines (ETOPS)
South Atlantic Airways
TACV Cape Verde Airlines (ETOPS)
Trans World Airlines – TWA (ETOPS)
Transavia (ETOPS)
Turkmenistan International
US Airways
Uzbekistan Airways (ETOPS)

6 Doors/4 Overwing Exits
American Airlines (ETOPS)
Condor (ETOPS)
Continental Airlines (ETOPS)
Delta Airlines
Dutch Bird
EL AL Israel Airlines (ETOPS)
Ethiopian Airlines
Far Eastern Air Transport
Iberia
Icelandair (ETOPS)
Mexicana
National Airlines
Northwest Airlines
Royal Nepal Airlines
Shanghai Airlines
United Airlines (ETOPS)
Xiamen Airlines

As you can see, your assertion that airlines have changed from one layout to another to meet regulatory rules is incorrect.

Only Northwest, National, Mexicana and Icelandair operate both versions, and the latter 3 only through second hand aircraft acquisitions. And far more airlines operate ETOPS flights without overwing exits than with.

Hope that helped clarify things slightly...I'm open to any corrections on the above list and have excluded Corporate and Military operators of the 757.

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineNotar520AC From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1606 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

I think that's a lot of doors for a 75.

-Notar520AC



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User currently offlineNy-jfk-lga From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 374 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

Ok, I don't know what this is about. But I can tell you about some of our 757 exits. I'm an Inflight Steward for NW. First, we have two types of 757s in our fleet, the 5500 series and the 5600series. The 5500s seem to be a bit older because the interior, meaning the passenger systems like the overhead reading lights and buttons ect show age. Those are the ones with "door 3", meaning that small emergency exit behind the wing which is always armed at that. Then the 5600s, are the newest ones, which have the four overwing windown exits and lack the door 3. I hope this clears up some of it for you guys. The 757-300s will be a combination of both of the above, it'll be just awesome.


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User currently offlineGmjh_air From Sweden, joined Aug 2000, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

The number and/or types of "doors" on an aircraft is ONLY decided by the evacuation requirements based on getting a full load of passengers out of the aircraft in a certain time.
There might be many different configurations conforming to this requirement and I don't know any specifics about any of them, however all manufacturers and initial operators strive to get an as good layout as possible (reduced weight and easy operation) and then I believe most other operators follow that design (provided they have the same number of maximum seats.





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