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Emirates Announces A380 For AMS  
User currently offlineluxair From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 853 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15042 times:

Haven't read it yet here on a.net but Emirates announced to replace 77W flight to AMS with A380 starting 01 of august 2012, source is www.telegraaf.nl. I expected this to happen in the future but not so soon to be honest. Wow! AF/KLM will have some serious competition and pressure on this route to DXB out of AMS!


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14918 times:

Great news. KL will be squeezed out - expect DXB going A332 before too long.

Gelukwensen aan mijn vrienden van Nederland en aan de Luchtvaartlijnen van Emiraten.



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User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14639 times:
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I personally don't see why anyone employed in the Dutch aviation industry (other then those working with/for EK), should be happy about this news. Sure the 380 will be a nice sight at AMS, but to me it's just another sign of the growing Emirates beast that is threatening numerous airlines throughout Europe.

My two (euro) cents

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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14557 times:

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
I personally don't see why anyone employed in the Dutch aviation industry (other then those working with/for EK), should be happy about this news. Sure the 380 will be a nice sight at AMS, but to me it's just another sign of the growing Emirates beast that is threatening numerous airlines throughout Europe.

I have to second you on this one... European airlines are being squeezed out by the Gulf beasts and by the EU commission which is imposing on European travel unfair and unsustainable rules...



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4851 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14505 times:
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Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
Sure the 380 will be a nice sight at AMS, but to me it's just another sign of the growing Emirates beast that is threatening numerous airlines throughout Europe.

It is. But it is also a challenge to cope with the competition. If that requires new measures, then so be it. Especially aviation is a world-wide industry where regional rules are not a very good thing. The Emissions regulations Europe is taking are by itself OK, but only if the rest of the world joins them in that. Otherwise it is quite pointless and counter-productive.

But as a fan of aviation and 4-holers I will be glad to see the A380 every time I am in AMS (2 x per week).


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14366 times:

Better get used to it.

This is the thin edge of the wedge.

Coud always refuse them rights I suppose.  

Seems to be common place in continental Europe.



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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14285 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
Great news. KL will be squeezed out - expect DXB going A332 before too long.

DXB is already a 332

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 5):
Better get used to it.

True - Eruopean airlines like BA/KL/AF/LH etc will all struggle to expand going east. Growth will have to be towards the west where they are no in as much competition with the mid east carriers.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19244 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14237 times:

Unsurprising, but good to hear.


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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2752 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14239 times:
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I think this is great news for both Amsterdam and those travelling to the Netherlands or beyond Dubai.

For those not too happy with this, well these big European carriers have done their share of bullying smaller European carriers. It's nice to see someone doing it to them.


User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13906 times:

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
I personally don't see why anyone employed in the Dutch aviation industry (other then those working with/for EK), should be happy about this news. Sure the 380 will be a nice sight at AMS, but to me it's just another sign of the growing Emirates beast that is threatening numerous airlines throughout Europe.

My two (euro) cents

    

Fully agree!



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User currently offlineluxair From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13784 times:

It's free a competition and only the strongest will survive! Let's see it like that, we as customers will have the advantage that maybe prices will drop on that route due to more seats available, thats what we finaly all want, isn't it?


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User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13722 times:

Quoting luxair (Reply 10):
It's free a competition and only the strongest will survive!

Free competition ..yes - but not a level playing field.


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13703 times:

Quoting luxair (Reply 10):
Let's see it like that, we as customers will have the advantage that maybe prices will drop on that route due to more seats available, thats what we finaly all want, isn't it?

Doesn't work like that does it though. Not in the airline industry anyway. The weaker outfits just go bust or merge and the consequence is less choice and higher fares.

In other words for the passenger it's a fools paradise.

Too much capacity is not good. It's a shame airlines don't stick to their own turf . The industry would be alot healthier in my opinion.

(not that I expect anyone to take any notice of it)

  



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13705 times:

Pretty Soon we'll be flying JFK-LAX and LHR-MAD via DXB or DOH!
haha   

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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13613 times:

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
I personally don't see why anyone employed in the Dutch aviation industry (other then those working with/for EK), should be happy about this news. Sure the 380 will be a nice sight at AMS, but to me it's just another sign of the growing Emirates beast that is threatening numerous airlines throughout Europe.

Which is their own fault, they deserve it. European airlines are too busy with increasing fares, fuel surcharges, cutting down inflight services and in the meantime keeping the employees and the unions happy.



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User currently offlineAmsterdam From Netherlands, joined Mar 2011, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13610 times:

Bad news for AMS actually.
Think ahead.


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 779 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13465 times:

What I find surprising is the difference between the action and the expectation of the reaction.

EU created this behemoth (A380) to begin with ... and their big players (AF, LH, etc) have already deployed it across their trunk routes. And now the EU residents don't want to see the same aircraft in other colors deployed in their hubs?

Maybe, they should not have sold the bird to outside-EU players ...  

[Edited 2012-02-15 07:33:25]

User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3680 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13403 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 16):
EU created this behemoth (A380) to begin with ... and their big players (AF, LH, etc) have already deployed it across their trunk routes. And now the EU residents don't want to see the same aircraft in other colors deployed in their hubs?

Shocking, isn't it?

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 12):
Too much capacity is not good. It's a shame airlines don't stick to their own turf . The industry would be alot healthier in my opinion.

So you mean every airline should stick to within its own borders? Please explain how we could have international travel using this mentality? No EU airplanes in the US and vice-versa?

Very clever!   



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13402 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 16):
EU created this behemoth (A380) to begin with ... and their big players (AF, LH, etc) have already deployed it across their trunk routes. And now the EU residents don't want to see the same aircraft in other colors deployed in their hubs?

That is the tip of a very big iceberg. An iceberg that just happens to be in the pocket of EK.



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User currently offlineTomskii From Belgium, joined May 2011, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13403 times:

I don't see where the fantastic news is for KL and all the other carriers on AMS.. They have been reducing to smaller airplane types already..

Now where is the: this is great for AMS now!?

Think ahead of time and not only from a spotters' perspective!



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User currently offline9MMPQ From Netherlands, joined Nov 2011, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13368 times:

I don't doubt EK will eventually deploy the A380 to AMS but has anyone seen something from EK themselves ? I haven't found it yet & i'd hardly go on the word of this newspaper alone.


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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1653 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13317 times:

A bit tiring to read all the crap about "it not being a level playing field" or the effects on national carriers like KL.

Luckily we are living in a free market capitalist society and if a carrier like KL gets into trouble because EK is just following a solid business plan than the problem lies with KL and not with EK.

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 14):
Which is their own fault, they deserve it. European airlines are too busy with increasing fares, fuel surcharges, cutting down inflight services and in the meantime keeping the employees and the unions happy.


  

Quoting anstar (Reply 11):
Free competition ..yes - but not a level playing field.

So? That's the way the world works. What would you advice? Ban all carriers like EK from European airports? At the moment they have the better product and cost structure, it's only fair they get more business.

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 12):
Too much capacity is not good. It's a shame airlines don't stick to their own turf . The industry would be alot healthier in my opinion.

Errr, so how would that work???!

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 19):
I don't see where the fantastic news is for KL and all the other carriers on AMS.. They have been reducing to smaller airplane types already..

So? That's their own decisions probably based around load factors, that EK can bring in an 380 is good news for EK. They must be doing something good that other carriers are not doing.



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User currently offlinerwsea From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3118 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13242 times:

Quoting luxair (Thread starter):
AF/KLM will have some serious competition and pressure on this route to DXB out of AMS!
Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 2):
I personally don't see why anyone employed in the Dutch aviation industry (other then those working with/for EK), should be happy about this news. Sure the 380 will be a nice sight at AMS, but to me it's just another sign of the growing Emirates beast that is threatening numerous airlines throughout Europe.

Living in AMS and being a Platinum member with KL, I obviously want them to succeed and offer a wide variety of destinations. With that said, KL simply hasn't adapted to the times. The business class offering is highly outdated - Emirates is probably 10 years ahead. The lounge offerings are not great. Customer service, like in much of Holland, tends to be rather poor when there are irrops or other issues. The website is full of bugs. The frequent flyer program is a joke. With all of these issues, it's easy to see why a carrier like Emirates with better service can do well.


User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13213 times:

Quoting Tomskii (Reply 19):
Think ahead of time and not only from a spotters' perspective!

From a passengers' perspective you get lower fares, better inflight service and more baggage allowance.



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13126 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 21):
Luckily we are living in a free market capitalist society and if a carrier like KL gets into trouble because EK is just following a solid business plan than the problem lies with KL and not with EK.

It is not because of KL. It is because of the way we live and do business in the Western World. If you want better aircraft and better service and A380s flying between LHR and AMS, let's just halve KLs crew salaries so that the crew costs would be on par with those of EK. Of course EK does not pay taxes on employees neither their employees do... it is kind of austerity measures that Greece is doing to its people. With a salary of just 750 euros a month per CC, KL could invest the difference for upgrading the aircraft, the IFE and even offer a 3 course meal on AMS-DUS in Econmy class and that by asking its caterer to halve its costs, its cleaning team, etc... KL would also need to ban Unions and axe all the old agreements....

but I hope that when these measures are taken by KL to make you enjoy your first class service on KL between AMS and LHR, your salary will also be divided by 4 because your manager will think that you would need to be on par with the Chinese salaries to better compete with them and offer a better product....

[Edited 2012-02-15 08:41:27]


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25 mikey72 : Yes and you also have to haul your tired ass through DXB. I'd pay more, take some sandwiches and read a book if it means non-stop thanks. Not so much
26 anstar : Probably because a lot of LH/BA/KL/AF's pax are actually transit pax. I guess it may be effective in their local markets. Re KL - I would guess over
27 Post contains images PEET7G : Excellent point! many people just think liberalization is everything...it is, when played on an even field. This is by far not the case with the ME a
28 mikey72 : If they're transitting with LH/BA/KL/AF they are unlikely to be poached by EK ? It's their trunk routes that are under attack.
29 anstar : EK are a threat to both. they are a threat to EU carriers local pax - ie AMS-ICN, LHR-CPT, FRA-DEL etc They are also a threat to their transfer pax.
30 migair54 : Right yesterday we were talking about this when discussing about the launch of Lisbon.... I was not sure if A380 or 2xday before... but now we have th
31 EBGflyer : No reason for doubts. It's announced on airlineroutes: Update at 1240GMT 15FEB12 Starting 01AUG12, Emirates is introducing Airbus A380 operation on i
32 Post contains images Pe@rson : I wonder when EK will launch its second-daily DXB-AMS-DXB, which will depart DXB in mid-afternoon (1430-1630 range) and arrive back into DXB in the ea
33 BasilFawlty : They requested slots for a second daily flight earlier this year, but they returned the slots just recently.
34 Pe@rson : Aha, thanks for the update.
35 Post contains links and images 9MMPQ : Never said i doubted it will ever happen but i just couldn't find anything from EK themselves. Our newspaper '' De Telegraaf '' is sometimes quick to
36 A388 : I agree with this too, EK is just doing a good job on the markets they serve, even though they do have a much larger fleet of widebody aircraft alone
37 Post contains images EPA001 : Incorrect. Airbus created the A380, not the EU. The EU is not a company. . What residents want does not necessarily have to correspond to what the po
38 LondonCity : But KL has all the feed traffic over AMS to fill its seats to/from DXB. EK has feed over DXB but not AMS. For now the European carriers have extensiv
39 Viscount724 : KL's twice-daily service with a choice of both daytime and overnight flights is also an advantage for the local O&D market. Business traffic like
40 A388 : That is not entirely true, it depends on how you see this. KL indeed has feed at AMS to DXB but that feed has its limits as EK also flies to more Eur
41 mikey72 : I just don't buy that. You mention new long-range aircraft but the European hubs have been able to reach everywhere bar Australia non-stop since the
42 shamrock604 : Agree totally. Boo hoo to Lufthansa, KL, AF and anyone else who feels agrieved that an airline dares to set up a route from it's own home airport to
43 mikey72 : If there is one thing the UK government cannot be accused of it's protecting BA. Not since EK has been around anyway.(I hasten to add.) In Germany, H
44 kl911 : As a native Dutch person I welcome the A380 and Emirates to AMS. I dont care who I fly with as long as it doesnt cost me a fortune, and service is goo
45 mikey72 : Seeing as the overall trend is now 'shrinkage' due to too much competition and a knackered economy the passenger I fear has already had the best of i
46 aerokiwi : Oh boo hoo. New Zealand and Australian carriers have had to deal with this for decades, first from Asian airlines able to use the leverage afforded b
47 Post contains images mikey72 : Cosy ? You're havin' a laugh ain't you ? If anyone's got it cosy it's EK in DXB. As for service standards that's a cultural thing. Not that European'
48 magyar : But they also like to lecture their East/Central European brothers about the benefit of free trade and not to protect their own companies (the name "
49 aerokiwi : Nope. National airlines nurtured and protected by respective governments for decades, slowly being exposed to the realities of global aviation. About
50 YYZAMS : Is Emirates the Wal-Mart of the airlines??? Big superstores come in and squeeze out all the players in town?
51 YYZAMS : 2 hours ground time? an hour to unload and load? When do they clean?
52 shamrock604 : Then they should purely fly domestic routes in Germany, Holland and France, should they not? For years, people could not fly from NYC or ORD to India
53 AAIL86 : So if my local dictator bribing sweatshop, err - textile mill drives your responsibly run textile mill out of business, is it your fault that you ope
54 Post contains images ju068 : Yes but it was the EU who subsidized it Well, when these big boys crush and bully smaller Eastern European carriers then it's for our own good and fo
55 Post contains images EPA001 : No subsidies, only RLI. Make no mistake about that and we better do not drag this over- and over debated issue into this thread. .
56 Post contains links and images ju068 : Actually I have to disagree with you, the WTO forced the EU to stop providing subsidies for Airbus which were in clear breach of international trade
57 HB-IWC : EK had slots requested for that service (EK149/150) but gave up on those slots and went with the capacity upgauge instead. Still, some time down the
58 Post contains images mikey72 : Not sure about others in Europe but BA was privatized in 1984 ! The same time incidentally that VS was formed. Maybe because it was technologically i
59 ju068 : And that is what Emirates are doing today, hence why all arguments against them are pointless. People pay to fly them for a reason, just like people
60 mikey72 : Excuse me but I'm not complaining about them as others are complaining about the history of legacy carriers.[Edited 2012-02-16 00:14:46]
61 ju068 : I wasn't referring to your comments but to those who urge us to think ahead, I just used what you wrote because it made sense.
62 Post contains images mikey72 : Oh..ok then. (lol)
63 kl911 : Exactly, I dont see why my Dutch friends are against EK 380 at AMS. There is even negative talk in the Dutch press this morning about it. EK is not d
64 Post contains images Pe@rson : Yep! And we can surely expect the same level of moaning then as now.
65 runway23 : Are there any other EK destinations that are one daily that may get an A380 before a second daily flight ?
66 Pe@rson : In terms of those already with the 380, ICN is my immediate answer. Did JED also fall into this category?! I cannot recall.[Edited 2012-02-16 01:01:4
67 imiakhtar : *OFF-TOPIC. They haven't stopped. Airbus is still receiving RLI, at least from the UK (so is Bombardier for the C-Series). Does EK have any plans for
68 LJ : [ KL had already announced they will reduce DXB to daily this Summer. Anyway, for KL this isn't bad news. Better 1 daily A380 than 2 daily 77Ws.
69 HB-IWC : ICN and NRT have and will have once daily A388 service. JED will have twice daily A388. YYZ has thrice weekly A388. It's only a matter of time. I bel
70 mikey72 : Face it AMS...you're doomed. Doomed I tell you ! (Just kidding) Look across the water to the UK,. We've survived the invasion. Just !
71 Pe@rson : Yes, but I am sure that EK evolved DXB-JED to once-daily by the 380 replacing other aircraft. And then, as you said, increased it to twice-daily by t
72 HeeseokKoo : ICN and YYZ are due to bilateral restriction. EK cannot go Canada more than 3/w, and ICN-DXB (specifically, any city pair between UAE and South Korea
73 EK413 : And Asian carriers alike... I would also like to add all 3 middle eastern carriers EK, EY, QR are imposing a threat to national carriers around the g
74 Post contains links LondonCity : But long-haul airlines serving the UK have lost lots of passengers to the Gulf carriers. I don't have stats for EK but its nearby rival EY claims tha
75 aerokiwi : A certain notorious bilateral across the Atlantic ensured minimised competition at Fortress Heathrow for... how long now? Could AKL count? If you go
76 notaxonrotax : What a negative thread; my word! How cool that the world's most conspicious plane finally decided to visit one of the world's best / most classic airp
77 Post contains images royaldutchgirl : Great news! The A380 is finally coming to Amsterdam! You are so right! [Edited 2012-02-16 03:09:22][Edited 2012-02-16 03:11:01]
78 A388 : Flying through the Middle East to Asia from South America and Africa is less of a detour compared to European hubs, so yes, the EK hub works better.
79 peanuts : They surely will. Rough times ahead for euro carriers indeed. This is a very complex challenge for AF, BA, LH to overcome. It's actually almost impos
80 mikey72 : On either side of it. I don't consider 4 operators minimal. Ideally no but I think you'll find there may well be one in this case. They got taken ove
81 mikey72 : What do you mean - ahead ? We've been battling away in the UK now for quite some time. AF and LH may have to shrink. That is all. It's not the end of
82 mikey72 : I am not sure that it is wise to assume that in the future many of the services that EK currently offers from Europe's cities will still only be finan
83 flipdewaf : I live a good 5 hrs (at least) from LHR so my option of flying places nonstop is pretty useless. I can do MAN in 2 hrs and NCL in 1.5hrs so if I need
84 mikey72 : Totally agree. That's why I said the legacy carriers may have to retrench (if they havn't already) to their non-stop hub to hub routes until there is
85 A388 : I can see what you mean but what can really be done here? Having a free market with limitations isn't a free market so it is very difficult to do som
86 mikey72 : I'm not. I'm defending the 'past' of the legacy carriers in Europe. That's not being nationalistic because it wasn't at anyone elses expense. What ha
87 Post contains images A388 : Okay, that's fine by me A388
88 TJCAB : yes and i often see European heads-of-state at roll-outs. Do we see many US government reps doing the same these days? anyway, no matter what, if an
89 lijnden : You know what is even better... The open skies treaty between NL and USA can be used by Emirates as well if I am correct. Would be great to get more c
90 Quokkas : With all this talk of doom and gloom, it may be worth reflecting that the LH Group saw passenger numbers grow from 77,315,000 in 2009 to 91,157,000 in
91 flipdewaf : Like for like, Year on year? or were they basing LH numbers on all flights in the growing LH group? Fred
92 Quokkas : The reporting years are not identical because the end of financial year in the UAE is not the same as it is in Germany but they are in both instances
93 flipdewaf : But are the LH numbers just based on LH the airline or the whole group as the group had expanded significantly during that period through aquisitions
94 sandyb123 : I really don't think that the arrival of the EK A380 at AMS will have any impact on KL apart from on the AMS-DXB route, which is one of hundreds of r
95 A388 : If EK has fifth freedom rights from AMS to any destination in the U.S., they are cleared to fly to those destinations from the U.S. The Air Service A
96 lijnden : Garuda flies Jakarta > Dubai > Amsterdam > Dubai > Jakarta! Anyway the A380 cannot fly non-stop Dubai to Houston so the route DXB - AMS -
97 A388 : What's your point here? It can be any airline who wants to fly the A380 to IAH in the short/medium and long term. All true. It depends on what the ai
98 flyingfool : LH will deploy the A380 to IAH from the 1st of August this year.
99 Viscount724 : I would be very surprised if that is the case. The US-EU Open Skies Agreement only covers carriers from the signatory countries to the agreement, mea
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