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LY CEO: Can't Join Alliance Because We're Jewish  
User currently offlineNYC2TLV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18584 times:

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/glob...ocview.asp?did=1000725216&fid=1725

Nothing about not having a real hub in TLV.

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User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1232 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18541 times:

Surely they can't be serious?


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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18509 times:

Quoting NYC2TLV (Thread starter):

Im very confused with what he has written??


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10655 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18476 times:

I don't get it.....first he says that the reason they can't join is because of the size of the fleet and the inability to compensate passengers in delays, etc. because of that (that makes no sense, either) and then he says it's "because we're Jewish", which makes even less sense.


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User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18364 times:

ughh Religion, politics and airline alliances all in one sentence.

Airliners is going to need to call the fire department to prevent this flame war.



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User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7438 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18333 times:
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Quoting jetblast (Reply 1):
Surely they can't be serious?

They are serious, and don't call them Shirley!



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18240 times:

Quoting NYC2TLV (Thread starter):
Nothing about not having a real hub in TLV.

Even if they *have* a real hub at TLV, who would want to transit there and go through all that security hassle for no reason ?


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5841 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18210 times:

  

I'd think the reason they can't join an alliance is because they don't have much to offer the alliance, not because "they're Jews." Very strange statement.


User currently offlinejetblast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1232 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18203 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 6):

Well, apparently, by their own logic I can't fly El Al since I am not Jewish.



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17918 times:

The only alliance where LY will never get into is probably Skyteam, though it would be great thing to have Saudia and El Al in one alliance (well they also have both China Airlines and China Southern and China Eastern)

User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17889 times:

Was it Jackie Mason who said "You don't have to be Jewish to be Jewish" ?


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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2241 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17865 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 9):
The only alliance where LY will never get into is probably Skyteam, though it would be great thing to have Saudia and El Al in one alliance (well they also have both China Airlines and China Southern and China Eastern)

Ha. Wishful thinking. There is no feasible way two airlines can co-exist in the same alliance if one of them is headquartered/based on a country that doesn't even acknowledge the existence of the other (Saudi Arabia, like a few other Islamic nations, does not recognize Israel as an official nation).

Quoting NUAir (Reply 4):
ughh Religion, politics and airline alliances all in one sentence.

LOL. And you can barely even hope that two of these facets will not conflict each other in these decisions!



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17770 times:

They can't, because they are Israeli, not because they are Jewish.

User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8626 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17642 times:
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Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 11):
There is no feasible way two airlines can co-exist in the same alliance if one of them is headquartered/based on a country that doesn't even acknowledge the existence of the other

You mean like the way that Skyteam has both CZ and CI even though the PRC don't recognise Taiwan ?



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User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4871 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17618 times:
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Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 11):
Ha. Wishful thinking. There is no feasible way two airlines can co-exist in the same alliance if one of them is headquartered/based on a country that doesn't even acknowledge the existence of the other (Saudi Arabia, like a few other Islamic nations, does not recognize Israel as an official nation).

As LJ pointed out that didn't stop a Taiwanese carrier joining 2 mainland Chinese carriers and they are technically still in a civil war!


User currently offlineSASMD82 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 798 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17560 times:

I don't understand this......at school we learn that all people are equal......Does that mean that this guy did not go to school??

Quoting LJ (Reply 9):
The only alliance where LY will never get into is probably Skyteam, though it would be great thing to have Saudia and El Al in one alliance (well they also have both China Airlines and China Southern and China Eastern)

How about Star Alliance (EgyptAir) and OneWorld (Royal Jordanian)? BTW. I think Saudia is not an official member according to the SkyTeam website.


User currently offlinemilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17436 times:

I thought that LY was for all intents and purposes effectively in Oneworld. I've flown DFW-MAD-TLV TLV-LHR-DFW seamlessly with AA/BA/LY and earn full AAdvantage across with thru ticketing and baggage.

User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17289 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 9):
The only alliance where LY will never get into is probably Skyteam, though it would be great thing to have Saudia and El Al in one alliance (well they also have both China Airlines and China Southern and China Eastern)

Both MEA and Saudi should join SkyTeam this year.......definitely not the right Alliance for El Al.

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 15):
How about Star Alliance (EgyptAir) and OneWorld (Royal Jordanian)? BTW. I think Saudia is not an official member according to the SkyTeam website.

Well, Egypt and Jordan are the only Arab countries with a "friendly" relationship with Israel.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17247 times:

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 15):

How about Star Alliance (EgyptAir) and OneWorld (Royal Jordanian)? BTW. I think Saudia is not an official member according to the SkyTeam website.

You're correct SV still isn't a Skyteam member officially, but are scheduled to become a member this year. BTW how are Lebanon - Israel relations these days (as MEA is also scheduled to join in 2012)?

BTW At least Egypt and Jordan have diplomatic relations with Israel..


User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17158 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 19):
BTW how are Lebanon - Israel relations these days (as MEA is also scheduled to join in 2012)?

Lebanon - Israel is never an easy relation....probably the most difficult between Israel and another country.


User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2775 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17102 times:
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Why not Star Alliance? I know it's saturated already but it's the only one that could work. They could feed Turkish Airlines' and EgyptAir's hubs since obviously TLV can never compete with those two.

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2241 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16888 times:

Quoting trex8 (Reply 14):
As LJ pointed out that didn't stop a Taiwanese carrier joining 2 mainland Chinese carriers and they are technically still in a civil war!

Yes, but the PRC/Taiwan debacle is purely a political fight over whether Taiwan is really independent or not. China says its their territory, Taiwan says they're free. Same with Tibet; it wants freedom, China says its their territory too.

Regardless, at the end of the day, China will recognize a Taiwanese citizen and freely let them into their country, and vice versa.

That's not the same issue with Israel and other Middle Eastern countries, particularly the very strict Islamic ones such as Egypt, the KSA, Iran, Syria etc. You are not permitted to enter into some of those nations if your passport bears a stamp from Israel.

Not to mention, does the strife between the PRC and Taiwan even remotely resemble the relationships between Israel and most Middle Eastern nations over the decades? As someone pointed out, relationships are pretty much only diplomatic with a small handful of ME countries.

What makes that situation even MORE tangled are the fact that Politics AND Religion are involved there.

Quoting milemaster (Reply 17):
I thought that LY was for all intents and purposes effectively in Oneworld. I've flown DFW-MAD-TLV TLV-LHR-DFW seamlessly with AA/BA/LY and earn full AAdvantage across with thru ticketing and baggage.

Funny you mention that. A lot of people I know who have been traveling to Israel recently (I can think of at least 10) seem to route through MAD on IB.

Fares must be competitive.



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User currently offlineKiwinlondon From New Zealand, joined Dec 2011, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16453 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 22):
That's not the same issue with Israel and other Middle Eastern countries, particularly the very strict Islamic ones such as Egypt, the KSA, Iran, Syria etc. You are not permitted to enter into some of those nations if your passport bears a stamp from Israel.

Off topic. You can enter Egypt with an Israeli stamp in your passport legally. Whether the border agent will let you in.....that may be a different story!!

Kiwinlondon


User currently offlinekhpn From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16392 times:

Looks like their idea of starting their own alliance didnt work out so well LOL
  
El Al To Found 4th Global Airline Alliance (by castroprauxel Aug 17 2010 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 16272 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 21):
Why not Star Alliance?

I'm guessing LH wouldn't like the "internal" competition, they're doing pretty well in the Israeli market.


25 ju068 : Maybe something in the style of Adria and Croatia, Star Alliance member but only to feed Lufthansa's network,
26 windshear : Like the red star of David not being accepted in the red cross and crescent union, I think this is true. Because it's Israel they are not accepted, so
27 Type-Rated : I think he may have been poking fun at the fact that they are Jewish and the joke went nowhere/came out wrong. Kinda like Joan Rivers always makes fun
28 turjo101 : News bulletins with such stupidity should be avoided simply because: a) it's bound to offend someone, b) inaccuracies like the one above is plentiful
29 AR385 : The article is so poorly written that I believe basing any intelligent discussion on it is just a waste of time. Maybe if someone could post a differe
30 ordjoe : They do have a lot of baggage, no flights on Saturday, TLV being an aweful airport to connect, limited route network, bad relations with the FAA which
31 IrishAyes : Not sure if this is in reference to the the article itself or to what I posted, but I apologize if my post came off as offensive. I have friends of m
32 mogandoCI : And there's a non-trivial chance that Star might hit the jackpot by bringing QR on board.
33 ghifty : Do they literally or metaphorically mean "we're Jews"? What a strange comment..
34 turjo101 : Don't be sorry, Its not what you said, but overall possibility of this article turning a.net into a forum for bashing other ethnicity. The reasons fo
35 ftornik : I agree wholeheartedly. Quite simply LY doesn't have much to offer an alliance. In many ways Israel is like Jamaica, they're both great places to vis
36 Post contains images justbala : There is no problem entering Egypt with an Israeli visa.Infact Egypt and Israel have a land border at Taba where u can actually drive across from one
37 IAD380 : Exactly! The geopolitical situation in the Middle East is the primary reason why El Al can't joint an alliance. Despite its central geographic locati
38 justbala : India issues a "Israel-only" passport in addition to your regular passport. You can use that for your visits to Israel and the regular one for other
39 SEA : This. I'm not sure why you'd choose TLV over an airport like IST or DXB.
40 chepos : Let's not forget, who in their right mind would want to fly on EL AL if they are going on to another destination other than Israel. The security quest
41 ilyag : The statement is poorly phrased, but it is correct - LY cannot join an alliance mostly because of politics, nothing else. If alliances look for valuab
42 ikramerica : Jewish Israelis do not differentiate between the two. Just as Muslims think of themselves as one people and thus claim that if someone from a particu
43 q120 : Talk about a poorly written description of whatever the hell that article is even trying to talk about.
44 shamrock604 : It just sounds like more persecution complex to me - LY could have easily joined Oneworld in the founding days, and I doubt anyone would have batted
45 jmc1975 : Have you ever been there? It's less hassle than in the US...very straightforward and common-sense.
46 shamrock604 : And it's a really nice airport as well...... would be great as a transfer point.
47 abrelosojos : = This is incorrect. You cannot enter KSA (or most of the Arab world) with ANY hint of having been to Israel. I was even denied entry on a EK flight
48 mayor : Before that, they were in the Atlantic Excellence Alliance with DL, Austrian, Swissair, etc. Did they codeshare with anyone else at that time?
49 kiwiandrew : Are you sure aboout that? I don't remember them being involved in that at all. From what I remember it was DL OS SR and SN.
50 mayor : Perhaps you're right. Maybe it was just a codeshare with DL, but I did think they were in the alliance.
51 shamrock604 : No, they were not in Atlantic Excellence, but they did codeshare with Delta at around the same time on all their routes from the US. In fact, EI have
52 ju068 : Are you seriously wondering why Egyptair is in Star Alliance? Look at Egypt's population, O&D demand and on top of it all, look at their African
53 Aleksandar : Well, it is matter of pride. LY has its own long-haul network...why on Earth would they fill other planes? In a strange way, being part of any allian
54 ju068 : I know it wouldn't, I am just saying that if they are that desperate to use the ''coz we're Jews'' card then they could aim for Star Alliance. Howeve
55 Post contains images BMI727 : It's the circumcision thing isn't it? They're too busy having a custody battle over Jeremy Lin, who was born and raised in California.
56 justbala : Alex - Saudi, Iran,Syria , Kuwait and Lebanon will not issue you a visa or allow entry of they find an Israeli visa/stamp in your passport - Saudi ev
57 Post contains links VV701 : Like many things in the Middle East there is no reliable rule here. For example this is what the British government says on its web site that offers
58 chepos : I have travelled on El AlL and been to Israel, I was put through an over 2 hour security search boarding my flight in LAX - a big hassle and definitel
59 hohd : It may be hassle to connect in Tel Aviv, but who wants to connect in Saudi Arabia either. If there is a problem, you are stuck in the airport, cannot
60 q120 : Everyone keeps saying its a hassle to connect in Tel Aviv, why is it a hassle? You are just "connecting" to another flight, its not like you have to g
61 mogandoCI : 3-5 minute secondary screening x 400 pax = a lot more connection time required And it's not like EL AL's service/seat is SQ quality, so definitely no
62 VV701 : My recollection is that security is at the gate, not as you move from land side to air side as it is elsewhere.. This is to ensure that passengers ar
63 ikramerica : How is this different than flights to the USA like in Hamburg or SYD? Unless its changed, I had to go through normal airport security to get airside,
64 VV701 : I do not know as I have never flown from either HAM or SYD to the USA. However as far as I am aware the especially large departure lounge with securi
65 Viscount724 : How many U.S. carriers have a 3-hour check-in requirement for Y class passengers? LY's check-in requirements at TLV from their website: Economy - 3 h
66 ikramerica : Well, sounds like LY spent the money to not cram everyone in. HAM? We were crammed into a very small space that wasn't really big enough to hold a 75
67 NYC2TLV : I don't think that anyone knows. I once had a connection in TLV for the 2010 FIFA World Cup. My itinerary was JFK-TLV-JNB with a connection time of a
68 Post contains images Aleksandar : But, it is so convenient to use politics as an excuse
69 ftornik : I'm not sure that other members would block the application but consider the case of someone travelling from the U.S. to India on X-Alliance and find
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