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User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1168 posts, RR: 3
Posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

Here is the deal: Im not going to say much, the title is my opinion of it, here are a few sparce details i would like to add, and I just want to see what others think:

DELTA-Defently not a first rate world carrier, poor if any inflight service, sky-hags with hgih seniorty #s and AARP discounts on international flights

KoreanAir-Geeze does SAFETY come up here

CSA Czec Air- Eastern European Crap, Makes LOT look like Virgin Atlantic


AirFrance- Hey at least there is one good carrier in the group.

What botherd me was how much the word SkyTeam was emphasized on AirFrance and even AirLiberte

Everything was Air France Member of SkyTeam

Anytime the word air france was mentioned that was tagged on.. Not something to brag about IMHO

When I flew UAL back, defently the best ocean crossing I had on a US carrier. I give them mad props with the only bad thing about the flight was my very picky tastebuds didnt care for the dinner they served but everyone else i spoke to on the flight loved it But anyways UAL never really mentioned Star Alliance that much, it was mentioned during boarding and once on the flgiht priror to pushback and once at the end

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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

Still sore about not getting a BizElite upgrade?

The grass is a lot greener on the other side of the curtain.

And life is better on Concourses T, A, B, D, and E.



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1168 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

not at all actually, 2 of the DL cabin crewmembers were great along with the agents in ATL, was offered a dinner from businesselite by one of the attendents and AF welcomed me "up front" on all of my inter european flgihts. I am more then happy with my employer, and I must say that though United was much better then DL for the pond crossing, DL has improved signifigently since I flew them ATL-CDG in 96.


User currently offlineJetSpotter From Australia, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

I dont like SkyTeam. Take United Transatlantic, you get more to eat and drink in YC. Also, Entertainment is good. I dont feel safe on Skyteam Airlines (Especially Aeromexico). I also dont care for ATL. I was there and those concourses are dirty and narrow. I use ORD and United for many flights, as well as NW through DTW.

User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

You don't feel safe on AM. Why don't you defend your statement with some facts.

By the way, if you think ATL concourses are dirty and narrow, you obviously haven't had much experience there. While many travelers dislike the fact that ATL is always busy and crowded, one thing that most agree on about ATL is that it is well maintained and clean.

Suggest you get to know some other airports in order to give you a better perspective on what facilities are nice and what facilities aren't.



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1711 times:

This is pure crap. DL is a great airline. I found all DL flight attendants very cheery and always cheeking. They might be butt ugly but they treat you well and know what they're doing.

Also ATL is a great Airport. Very efficient and easy layout.

Tom


User currently offlineJetSpotter From Australia, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

AM does not maintain their planes properly. They rattle like crazy (The MD88 Especially). They do not meet all of the standards that US carriers do. I even feel safer on DL, I just dislike their cheap inflight service (I am used to United and Midwest Express Service) and cramped coach seats. I have never liked AM. I prefer Star Alliance. AM is not my preferred airline. About ATL, I really hate taking the stupid train. In ORD you have a better chance of having a gate on the same concourse you arrive at, if you dont, you can use the tunnel. ORD is a very efficient and orderly facility. The disadvantage is the delays on the ground. It can get crowded, but ORD was built for that with their streamlined concourses. ORD is an excellent airport.

User currently offlineAf007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

O'Hare is heaven.

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1667 times:

Though I agree that Skyteam is inferior to both OneWorld and Star Alliance, the term "sky hags" is a bit harsh. Flight attendants should not be judged on looks and age. The ability to perform saftey/emergency procedures and the quality of service are the only two factors that make a difference. Airlines, thank goodness, are not strip clubs.

User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1168 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1643 times:

I agree i was perhaps a bit harsh with the term I used, but it seams regardless of the carrier, the older the flight attendent, the less chearful and friendly they are, there are defently exceptions to this of course, but even friends of mine with DL that I was talking to all agreed that the Senior Senior Citizen F/As can be very grumpy. The ones on UA were all friendly. I always plesently introduce my self to the purser/senior FA when I fly other carriers and when I leave I always say "preciate the ride yall" when I leave. For the record as stated earlier, the F/A working the zone I was in was overly nice, and very supportive of FL, saying she flew them regualrly to get to work when DL was CXing flgihts and when DL flights were full. She was the one that brought me the meal from biz


User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2815 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

A lot of our opinions are based on experiences but can we make generalizations? Who knows... First, emphasizing the flight attendants' looks/age is pretty low. I'd like to think that we're all somewhat sophisticated and professional travellers; however, some people manage to defy my generalizations. Who cares if the f/a isn't attractive? What matters is that the individual can perform his/her duties properly and efficiently. I don't care if a f/a looks like a cow, as long as he/she can get the job done. Personality far exceeds appearance in a job where hundreds of lives are placed in your hands.

As for United transatlantic service, my experiences would conflict with the other responses on this post. Problems such as no toilet paper, inoperational audio channels, broken laptop power ports and errant seat assignments made my flights anything but pleasurable. But then again, I guess this falls under: individual experiences lead to different opinions.


User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1168 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1600 times:

i wsnt really refering to their appearence, as there are many older people that dont show their age, but the grumpyness, but thein again yes, i am caught generalizing again, as there are young people that can be just as grumpy.

I guess if we get just to the facts

*DL's senior FA had a "why do i have to make this flight" attitude, was very monotone and drab, The F/A in my zone as stated earlier was great, and took care of me the entiere flight brining stuff back from BizElite
OUtside of meal service the f/as were not seen moving around the cabin

*UA's "purser" was also very senior but very bubbley in her annoucnments, she seemed sincerly happy to be on the trip, and to have us as passengers or maybe just happy to be going back to the US  Smile F/As never set down constatntly serving water and asking if we wanted any BEvERages

*My last DL trans oceaninc flight was a nightmare (back in 96) Only time I saw the F/A was delivering the meal service

*European Carriers SR and VS that I have flown knock any US carrier out of the water, even the 1 hour flight from CDG to TXL had a full dinner.


So in summery:

UA's flight attdendents over all seemed more welcoming and carring and bubbly

DL's service was much better then it was in 96 and with the exception of the one FA in my zone was only marginal

I also got an impression from DL that the entire pond crossing thing was relativly new. Correct me if I am wrong but DL's first pond crossing was not until 1978 with ATL-LGW. They seemed to run their internatioal ops more or less the same as if it was a domesitc flgiht going ATL-MCO rather then going ATL CDG.


User currently offlineBhopsde From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

One doesn't have to have facts to "feel" uncomfortable on anything! Delta was in the Atlantic Excellence Alliance when the other alliances were becoming larger and more competetive. And the result is: not many airlines left with a prestigious reputation. It's not bad, but my only complaint so far about the Skyteam is that once again, it is turning into more of a European Alliance than a World-Wide alliance!

Air France, Alitalia (very soon), Czech Airlines.
Korean Air is not a powerful nor known for its safety!
Aeromexico is what is left after Mexicana.


User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6229 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Aeromexico maintains their planes in excellent conditions, it is a world class airline . That comment of yours Jetspotter has no point and you obviously can't back it up. From were do you get the idea that AM dosen't maintain their aircraft properly ?
Chepos
Puerto Rico



Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineDeltaBoy777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 411 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

Delta does give a good a discount on Orbitz. United doesn't even have much of a alliance. Oh and by the way Delta and United are SkyMiles Partners so there you go. Delta has a heck of alot better Cust. Service and food.

"fly refreshed"-delta



Thanks and Gig Em!
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

I think the most telling part about Skyteam's *ghetto alliance* status is that its FOUNDING MEMBERS still don't codeshare on each other.

Flying Delta to Seoul? Sorry.

Sk***am is a joke.


User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

Star is the best alliance on the planet, there is really no discussion  Big thumbs up.

User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

It's not as if Star Alliance is leaps and bounds better than SkyTeam. Star Alliance is 'whore-ing' up the industry by having so many members.  Big grin

Look on the bright side, Korean Air has the most extensive Asia-USA route structure with modern fleet. Yes, you can come back and say that they probably crashed all their old jets, but they've gone a few years without gracing the headlines.


User currently offlineHadpa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1500 times:

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User currently offlineJetSpotter From Australia, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1493 times:

Delta serves those stupid "skydeli" bags on ATL-ORD flights, while United passengers (and some enjoying Economy Plus paying full fare) get their food served inflight. Thats one less thing to worry about when boarding. And for those people who forget to pick up a Deli, well they are out of luck. If you want Seconds, the extra bags are back at ATL. Airlines give out "Seconds" if there is enough to go around first. United has Audio Entertainment on every plane out of ATL with the exception of the 737-200. ORD is wonderful.

User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1483 times:

"ONEWORLD RULES"

...no they don't  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineDeltaOwnsAll From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1476 times:

OK...the Skyteam is the Ghetto alliance of the 3 big alliances, but DL DOESN'T BELONG IN IT!! DL is so far above the rest of the skyteam members...I wish they were still with SIA and Swissair. But, they are still skymiles partners with United and SIA  Smile DL has improved so much in the past few years and their new look really signifies "the new Delta". Delta= Big thumbs up Skyteam= Sad
DeltaOwnsAll


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1466 times:

DL has improved so much in the past few years

Ye of such short memories....


User currently offlineWilcharl From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1168 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1458 times:

now to address the attack on me:

Delta SFO said:

The grass is a lot greener on the other side of the curtain.

And life is better on Concourses T, A, B, D, and E.

The reason I joined FL was after flying J7 from SAV to ATL prior to flying ATL-CDG on DL. My flight on J7 was great and that is when I said I would work for J7, Times change and J7 became FL. I love FL, the people that fly it love it, the DL flight crews love it when they commute, FL defently has its place in ATL no need to bash it, this post wasnt intended as a DL bash. And as stated earlier the service the F/A gave me was great, and as for BizElite that was ruled out well before the flight as the flgiht was oversold, and bizelite was well booked with rev. customers. Other carriers that i have flown VS being the best have taken care of other airline employees, and if you look on an FL flight the DL jumpseater is normaly enjoying business class. Anyways I dont want another DL-FL war, nor was the post intendent at DL bashing.

And for the record, my grandmother who has non rev privleges (wouldnt put my girlfriend(s) as sig. others as they are too unstable  Smile ) will be flying DL in two weeks on a route covered by FL as she will be traveling alone and due to flight times, i purchased her a revenue ticket on DL and I know DL will treat her very well.


User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2903 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (13 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1448 times:
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DL's "sky hags" have been almost universally friendly and very proud to work hard for Delta, in my opinion.

One case in point:

Flying a few weeks ago SLC-PDX, we had an entire class full of high school kids in the rear of a 767. Talk about loud! The FAs, while annoyed with the kids, were doing their best to make everyone comfortable... they were even joking with me about it.

The annoucements were cheerful and sometimes funny, and everyone seemed to have a true smile on their face.

The kicker for DL's service comes at this point though:

Last summer, I was on a DL flight from DEN-CVG. We were a few minutes (15 at most) late, due to some problems with seat assignments. The captain was very apologetic and indicated that "he gets just as frustrated as we do, and he'll do what he can to get us under way soon."

Not only did someone from the flight deck (FO I think) come back to help resolve the seat problem before takeoff, the FO also came back during flight to personally apologize to people and went around confirming peoples' connections in CVG. All for being 15 minutes late.

Never have I seen a service issue resolved like that. Fly UA or AA, and at a 15 minute delay, they tell you that you're going to be late and that you're going to like it.

Finally, regarding SkyDeli, they're not bad ... they get the annoying carts out of the aisles, and it's not a small amount of food. Every SkyDeli flight I've been on, the FA's always ask before closing the door for people who forgot to get their bags to ring their call buttons, and then they grab some for them, and I always see them grabbing 5 extras or so just in case.

Delta is a world-class carrier that doesn't BS their customers around like UA does. That's why they get my business.


25 Andrej : Hi Wilcharl, Question for You: Did You flew on CSA? I am amazed what You had said "CSA Czec Air- Eastern European Crap, Makes LOT look like Virgin Atl
26 Bunga777 : I must agree with Andrej. CSA is a great airline and had excellent service when I flew JFK-Prague-Bratislava-JFK. It definitely does not deserve your
27 CYLW : Havent been on Delta in many years. Whats this SkyDeli thing? Why do you need a bag for it??
28 Wilcharl : the info on CSA came from others opinons on the service i must admit were not my own, but of reviews i read, those rated LOT as #1 for eastern europe,
29 Jessman : With some time and effort Skyteam can become an excellent alliance. Delta: the passenger airline. They know how to fill the flights, and in some respe
30 Srbmod : SkyTeam is the youngest of the alliances, so being to new kid in the class immediately means that they'll be picked on. Sure two of the alliance's mem
31 Post contains links and images Ghost77 : TO MUCH FOR SUCH AN EASY ANSWEAR TO Wilcharl: If you don´t like SKY TEAM, that´s why there are more Airlines to fly... TO JetSpotter: You don´t lik
32 Go Canada! : Skyteam is abit of an embrassment to global aviation. Its is nothing more than Delta being saddled with the dirty rags from europe that nobody else wa
33 Co LITE : Here is something that will make you laugh. I was in an Airport yesterday, and I saw an old junk EMB-120 with ASA, with the orange paint chipping away
34 Airblue : A lot of people think AF and AZ are bad. I flew with both and yes they are lower than BA, SK, OS and LH, but not so bad as people usually say. On LIN-
35 DatamanA340 : Bad Prejudice. While other alliances is excused by 'they will be', SkyTeam must be 'now they are'. Does KE codeshare with DL? Yes in CONUS. (...a mili
36 Go Canada! : Onworld hubs too full? BIG FAT QUE!!! Skyteam nows has to deliver, you didnt get this excuse with oneworld or with star. if the second rate carriers w
37 Airblue : OK GO Canada, if LHR, LGW, DUB, MAD or HEL can grow and adds new slots great for Oneworld patners, but unfortunately most of them are full and located
38 Emg : It seems SkyTeam brings a lot of very extreme judgement! I just wanted to make a few points: - On the technical side, contrary to what was said previo
39 BruneiAir : One world is quite strong AA and QF have a strong relationship BA and QF have a Very Strong relation ship If the SQ/NZ/AN deal goes through i see CX a
40 Silverstreak : Do you get on a plane to get there or eat? C'mon guys you're 35,000 ft. in the air! The cabin crew has a lot of people to take care of and you want yo
41 Papatango : hey co lite at least delta is in an alliance
42 Wilcharl : my AF experiences were great, service was wonderful, treated me like I was one of their own. And as I said, DL was not BAD it was just not nearly as g
43 Jessman : When did the US/France sign an open skies agreement? From sources in my company and http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/53
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