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Spirit To DEN  
User currently offlineshadez From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 203 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9712 times:

Routes not announced/published yet, but DEN is now listed on NK's website as a destination.

102 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3456 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9666 times:

Hmmm....maybe to FLL, DFW, AZA


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User currently offlineMountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9639 times:

...as if Denver needed even lower fares.

[Edited 2012-02-16 08:07:37]


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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9614 times:

Where in heck would they go from DEN? This airport is already very well covered between UA/F9/WN. How many more flights can this city hold to LAS, DFW or ORD? I guess Florida or KIWA/AZA are options. Interesting indeed.


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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9595 times:

Queue up the 'when will NK merge with F9' speculation   

Seriously though, havent they been in and out of DEN like 20 times in their history??


User currently offlineBeechToBus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9531 times:

Well, it was once that they were in before from dtw and fll. My bets on Dfw and aza

User currently onlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9509 times:

Actually, NK wants to hub in DEN, like every other airline there is.

They've even got the city to agree to build them a new Concourse D just for them.

Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 2):
...as if Denver needed even lower fares.

Well....... I guess one can never too rich, too thin, or have too many low airfares.....

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 4):
Seriously though, havent they been in and out of DEN like 20 times in their history??

Yep.......

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 4):
Queue up the 'when will NK merge with F9' speculation

Oh yes.......

......................................................................................................

What is it about this thread that's going to bring out the snark in everyone here?


 


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17507 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9490 times:

LAS, DFW, TPA, FLL, ORD


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User currently offlineErj170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9445 times:

Okay, really? They have just skipped all over NC. I mean, can they looking into GSO, ILM, AVL, EWN? Any of them? I mean, they can do something!!!!!!


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User currently offlinejoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9342 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 6):
Actually, NK wants to hub in DEN, like every other airline there is.

They've even got the city to agree to build them a new Concourse D just for them.

Is it April Fools Day??? Last I checked it was February 16th!! This is the craziest thing I've heard in a very long time if true.

If Spirit comes to DEN with big operations...somebody will go away, most likely Frontier and there will be plenty of extra gate space at the the airport.


User currently onlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9327 times:

Quoting joeljack (Reply 9):
Is it April Fools Day??? Last I checked it was February 16th!! This is the craziest thing I've heard in a very long time if true.

It's suppose to be the craziest thing that anyone has heard - written just for that

Quoting point2point (Reply 6):
What is it about this thread that's going to bring out the snark in everyone here?


And I also hear that the route planners at G4 are sitting around a table right now trying to figuring out how to get into DEN to get a piece of the action as well.....

 



[Edited 2012-02-16 08:47:26]

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17507 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9325 times:

Quoting Erj170 (Reply 8):
I mean, can they looking into GSO, ILM, AVL, EWN? Any of them? I mean, they can do something!!!!!!

What among NK's recent adds would lead you to believe they have any interest in any of those cities?



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5433 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9238 times:

I don't think that DEN will be any sizeable operation at all. Maybe a couple of flights to DFW -- since the Texas city does seem to be a focus operation for Spirit -- and perhaps one other city and I say that's it. I wouldn't expect Florida (since NK has so far not connected too many of its new western stations with the Sunshine state), and IMO, the PHX-area and Vegas would just be too stupid a move even for Spirit!

So far, almost every new station that is opened by Spirit seems to draw out the local folks here on A.net to claim that THEIR new city will be a hub, focus city, or base. When the dust settles, that will of course not be the case.

Big operation at DEN? I really doubt it. But with their expansion and growth in full swing, how can Spirit avoid Denver entirely? A handful of flights to 1, 2, or 3 cities. That's my call.

bb

[Edited 2012-02-16 08:52:00]

User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9063 times:

Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 2):
...as if Denver needed even lower fares.

I am sure the people in the Denver area are happy.


I amazes me how DEN is essentially a hub, or close to a hub type operation for 3 carriers, despite not being in the top 10 metro areas in the U.S. I realize geographically is is in a great location, but for 3 carriers to have such large ops there is amazing.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9034 times:

Quoting MAV88 (Reply 13):
Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 2):
...as if Denver needed even lower fares.

I am sure the people in the Denver area are happy.


I amazes me how DEN is essentially a hub, or close to a hub type operation for 3 carriers, despite not being in the top 10 metro areas in the U.S. I realize geographically is is in a great location, but for 3 carriers to have such large ops there is amazing.



Yes, that aspect is. However, based on F9's performance, I think we can deduce that 3 hub carriers at DEN is not sustainable.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2191 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9014 times:

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 3):
Where in heck would they go from DEN? This airport is already very well covered between UA/F9/WN. How many more flights can this city hold to LAS, DFW or ORD? I guess Florida or KIWA/AZA are options. Interesting indeed.

They'll stimulate demand from people wanting ULCC service but they won't do anything to the higher end traffic that UA wants to pull.



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32783 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9019 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 12):
I don't think that DEN will be any sizeable operation at all. Maybe a couple of flights to DFW -- since the Texas city does seem to be a focus operation for Spirit -- and perhaps one other city and I say that's it.

It will be five routes - FLL, LAS, ORD, DFW and TPA.



a.
User currently offlinestburke From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8992 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 14):
Yes, that aspect is. However, based on F9's performance, I think we can deduce that 3 hub carriers at DEN is not sustainable.

Never has been. Look at the old Frontier, UA and CO back at Stapleton.



aaaand it's gone.
User currently offlinegustywinds From Armenia, joined Feb 2012, 141 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8978 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 14):
Yes, that aspect is. However, based on F9's performance, I think we can deduce that 3 hub carriers at DEN is not sustainable.

Have you seen F9's performance for DEN? Have you seen WN's performance for DEN? have you seen UA's performance for DEN? No, so you can't judge F9's viability in DEN because of the YX issues in MKE. MKE is being sorted out. We should get a clear picture of F9's performance once MKE isn't dragging down the overall F9 branded operation.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8952 times:

Im gonna guess LAS first and DFW as a second guess

DEN is amazing if this comes true Frontier and UA will hate to see anither airline to trash yields and even more low last minute fares


User currently offlineBeechToBus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8924 times:

Quoting maverick and mah4546:

You both mentioned the same 5 routes, where did you guys see that?


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8912 times:

Quoting gustywinds (Reply 18):
Have you seen F9's performance for DEN? Have you seen WN's performance for DEN? have you seen UA's performance for DEN? No, so you can't judge F9's viability in DEN because of the YX issues in MKE. MKE is being sorted out. We should get a clear picture of F9's performance once MKE isn't dragging down the overall F9 branded operation.

Nope, and I don't need to. Successful hubs are heavily dependent on strong O&D. A market the size of DEN does not have the O&D necessary to support three hub carriers...."plane" and simple.


User currently offlinegustywinds From Armenia, joined Feb 2012, 141 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 8843 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 21):
Nope, and I don't need to. Successful hubs are heavily dependent on strong O&D. A market the size of DEN does not have the O&D necessary to support three hub carriers...."plane" and simple.

I think you do need to if you are going to eliminate F9 from the 3 hub DEN. I could just as easily say WN is toast or UA will leave DEN, but I have no facts to back that up. I do know that WN is not raising their fares by $10 in DEN although they are doing that in the rest of their system. Does that say WN is not doing well in DEN?


User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 8795 times:

Quoting gustywinds (Reply 22):
Quoting EricR (Reply 21):
Nope, and I don't need to. Successful hubs are heavily dependent on strong O&D. A market the size of DEN does not have the O&D necessary to support three hub carriers...."plane" and simple.

I think you do need to if you are going to eliminate F9 from the 3 hub DEN. I could just as easily say WN is toast or UA will leave DEN, but I have no facts to back that up. I do know that WN is not raising their fares by $10 in DEN although they are doing that in the rest of their system. Does that say WN is not doing well in DEN?

His point that DEN does not have a large O&D base that you would expect from an airport with 3 hub operations is true though.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17507 posts, RR: 45
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 8744 times:

Quoting gustywinds (Reply 22):
Does that say WN is not doing well in DEN?

I think it's fairly reasonable to say that if F9 is losing money, and is heavily dependent on DEN, then WN with higher costs and lower ancillary revenues is losing money as well. WN may have a razor thin fare/LF premium in a few markets, but not enough to offset its cost disadvantage.



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25 dtwpilot225 : Spirit used to do DTW DEN for a while I could see them adding DEN to all of their hubs except ACY
26 rampart : Doesn't DEN have higher per capita, or similar measure, O&D? It's a flying town more than most, and of course has a catchment as big as Colorado
27 Post contains links shadez : PR: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Spirit...s-Announces-pz-1312669652.html?x=0
28 nkops : No DTW.... thats surprising
29 point2point : Domestically, DEN ranks consistently within the top 5 airports in the country (again, as an airport, not city metro area). Per the airport's last ann
30 ROSWELL41 : DEN to FLL, ORD, LAS and DFW announced. It's official.
31 point2point : That's it? NK doesn't want to be the fifth carrier between DEN and LAX?
32 SANFan : Oh well, I'm wrong again, eh? Woops, what about TPA? bb[Edited 2012-02-16 10:24:17]
33 enilria : Or not... This is the craziest thing they have done. Are they trying to kill F9? What is the point?
34 BeechToBus : Sanfan, I wouldn't say its too sizable, 4 cities but only 6 daily flights so far.[Edited 2012-02-16 10:49:35]
35 dtwpilot225 : Ok seriously spirit just close the darn dtw base already. Service from Denver to everywhere but dtw.
36 Post contains images point2point : Coming from you, it has to be....... So maybe the talk of DEN building a Concourse D for NK to hub there wouldn't be so far-fetched then, eh? After a
37 PlaneAdmirer : I don't know - sure they will compete with the incumbents on these routes, F9, WN, and UA, but they will also be competing more with AA. Two of the an
38 Post contains images SANFan : Thank you Beech', 'preciate it. I guess I wasn't TOO wrong... In any case, good luck Spirit. In this particular market I think you're going to need i
39 ATCtower : This is great news for DEN and Spirit wouldnt do it if they didnt think they could keep it profitable. Will be awesome having the 9 dollar fare club h
40 point2point : Out of curiosity, would anyone know what the biggest "splash" that NK made when entering a new market/city? Here we have 4 cities and 6 flights into
41 enilria : That's big by Spirit standards. Not sure exactly what you mean, but it makes far more sense for NK to enter high fare markets than markets like DEN t
42 Post contains images point2point : Please take it as a compliment my friend..... that's the way I wanted it to be.... Anyway, I'm somehow flabbergasted with this announcement, as I'm s
43 mariner : When Southwest announced DEN I posted a long article (on Yahoo Finance) titled "The Inevitable Happens." I say the same thing here, which is not to s
44 dtw9 : With DAL,UAL,F9 and SWA all doing DTW-DEN, I don't think there's much left to pick at. Now if F9 goes away, I'm sure Spirit will jump into the fray
45 avi8 : Whats the scheduel for the new flights?
46 timberwolf24 : Glad to see ORD in this expansion round. I wonder were Spirit will expand to next?
47 Post contains images usflyguy : They're all scheduled to arrive after midnight and depart before 3 am. Just kidding but wouldn't be shocked if it were true.
48 enilria : OK, thanks! I agree with point2point. It makes little sense unless they are retaliating against F9 for all the Caribbean routes they sort of added. W
49 Post contains images EricR : Keep in mind that I did not say F9 would be the one to leave DEN as a hub, I just said their performance is an indication, among other indications, t
50 BTVB6Flyer : Just curious, why were some of you thinking TPA would be included in NK DEN routes? Is there something that I am missing? I honestly don't think TPA c
51 AirframeAS : ....until they find out about the nickle and diming that NK does endlessly.... The DEN area folks are not going to be happy campers after they find o
52 usflyguy : After openly admitting in the press that F9 is trying to emulate Spirit, I wouldn't be surprised if Spirit is indeed targeting F9. Judging by their Q
53 AirframeAS : I don't think they said that, at all. They said they would like go towards being a UULC. There is not much room for a new carrier to enter any market
54 Post contains images point2point : The problem with DEN, it seems, is that if one tries to target anyone, one seems to end up targeting everyone....... There's always next week for NK
55 AirframeAS : I can buy that argument. Now that I think about it, it seems to be the norm at DIA these days.
56 dtwpilot225 : Lets talk DTW for a second, Spirit does not have business travelers so out of this city, can anyone think of another city that could be flown to from
57 Post contains links usflyguy : You are correct, this is what I read but only remembered the headline... http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9SOPOHO2.htm The sad thing is,
58 nkops : Spirit did DTW-BOS for a while, and I guess it didn't do too well.... I think the crew base in DTW will be closed at some point and moved to ORD....
59 ridgid727 : Well in the West, I can see them adding to their LAS station, RNO, SLC or perhaps PVU, GEG, ABQ, OKC, BOI. (they allready have PDX) They seem to be m
60 N809FR : Conversely, I would be fine if they can still drive down fares. I maintain that WN will be the first to draw down DEN severely if fares continue to d
61 RWA380 : Spirit is just lining up at airports with a weak carrier, like a lion after a gazelle. As long as it turns a buck kill off, or at least wound your pre
62 SANFan : They (NK) already have SAN, OAK and LAX as well. I don't think they're migrating to WN strongholds, they're just going after the largest cities and m
63 Post contains images point2point : Okay, officially on the NK route map...... Whether a lion or vulture, I think that DEN is a different type of jungle. There's creatures of the New Wor
64 BeechToBus : Any idea what gates at DIA? The press release on the Denver International websites says concourse A but I thought all gates were accounted for. Will F
65 Santi319 : Wheres DFW - TLC in that map!!!
66 AirframeAS : The ex-FL gate, A53, may be available.
67 Atrude777 : Going to Southwest. SWA is getting the 51/53 FL Gates for the FL Expansion. Alex
68 planesntrains : Spirit has a lot of capacity coming online over the next several years. They need to be a bit audacious in their expansion, which will mean entering m
69 slcdeltarumd11 : The fact that spirit seems to being doing so well in Chicago might be some evidence that there really is a market for this type of carrier. With south
70 dtwpilot225 : This is a very excellent point! I have yet to see Spirit attack Delta and they have the perfect opportunity to do this in DTW. They have added a coup
71 slcdeltarumd11 : Whos next to enter Denver Virgin America to LAX and SFO or Jetblue westbound with service to LGB?
72 bjorn14 : Those really weren't F9 decisions per se they were Apple Vacations CPA agreements. And let's not forget NK is not building a hub at DEN (at least not
73 enilria : True, but who does this hurt most. I'm sure it hurts UA the least. I hear over and over again how NK passengers are not legacy passengers. Who is tar
74 planesntrains : Perhaps, but when WN turns around and belts NK in the eye - while UA stands nearby and laughs - I hope they aren't surprised. Even if F9 folded tomor
75 AS739BSI : I would doubt either or at this point as LAX-DEN has DL, UA, F9, WN, and AE. There is no benefit for VX to starting this route up anytime soon.
76 Post contains images slcdeltarumd11 : yeah i was really kidding more than anything because its such a crowded market thankfully Delta pulled off that money burning route before a single p
77 BobLoblaw : NK is becoming a real threat. Their costs are so low that they may be able to stimulate traffic that even Southwest cant and still be profitable.
78 BobLoblaw : It depends if VX is chasing corporate contracts in LA and SFO. IF so, they will need to serve DEN regardless of the competition so that they can leve
79 Post contains images EricR : The next cycle in air travel has begun.
80 BeechToBus : 2 airports Id never thought Id see NK in were DIA and Seatac. I thought CO Springs or Ft Collins for Denver and Bellingham for Seattle if they were to
81 AS739BSI : I can definitely see VX going after ATL, I hope they are eyeing IAH as well. Would anyone see VX going after DL monopolies such as MSP and DTW? Then a
82 Santi319 : Yup Ryanair U.S. version is here...and if you look at Ryanair they are Europe's largest airline in terms of pax, so that just tells you what's commin
83 Post contains images planesntrains : I have to be honest. I hope they come to SEA, if only to push some fares down in transcon markets. I've got a friend and his family who are pretty lo
84 nkops : I am thinking at some point ORD-DTW will go away, and at the same time we might see a crew base in ORD (possibly at DTW expense) I think NK not addin
85 planesntrains : That could be an inexpensive "day" trip. I'd give them a shot. -Dave
86 ytib : There are 8 city gates which are the ones that have FIS access. I would think that it could be tied to some of these gates when they are not in use.
87 dtwpilot225 : I heard that spirit was not doing as well as they wanted to on a couple routes las oak Ord dtw and Ord bos, they don't fly routes that aren't profitab
88 Post contains images RWA380 : Yeah, go ahead and add a city or even hub, "the first one's free".
89 mercure1 : Per comments made on the Spirit earnings call - flying to Denver has nothing to do with F9, UA or WN. Spirit in their analysis has seen there is ample
90 Post contains images point2point : I like that...... See above...... and after this NK announcement, it seems that the more improbable something is, the more possible it becomes. Maybe
91 Pe@rson : From a 13th December ATI article based upon an interview with NK's CEO: "Spirit believes there are over 300 markets in the Americas with 150 passenge
92 mercure1 : In earnings call they said connections represent "high single digits" in traffic. So in other words 90%+ of their boardings are local O&D. Merci
93 point2point : Thanks for that. Then I guess that it's easy to see why NK is producing $$$$$.[Edited 2012-02-19 13:06:14]
94 Santi319 : Could they serve ANC from LAX one day or is this a bit of a stretch? (Not flight-wise but money-wise).
95 RWA380 : B6 flies LGB-ANC in the summer months, kinda pisses AS off, then AS starts up PDX-LGB to tit for tat back. I think NK could make ANC work, not year r
96 Santi319 : Thanks! I Meant to write ANC from LAS not LAX... But yeah you got it...
97 AirframeAS : DIA has said that this is only temporary. AS has moved to A52 temporarily, then they will get A51 back. And also, WN/FL has not been using A51/A53 si
98 ridgid727 : Yeah, when Morris started SEA-ANC, and GEG-SEA, AS really got their panties in a wad, and that lead to Morris' application to become a regular carrie
99 planesntrains : IIRC, Morris wasn't operating scheduled flights for all that long prior to WN's purchase of them. In the year or so of scheduled ops (during which, i
100 ridgid727 : Alaska filed a compalint with the FAA, when Morris was a Public charter company, and was having Sierra Pacific and Ryan International (Even for a tim
101 Santi319 : That doesn't really work....ask WN
102 Post contains images planesntrains : So you're saying that Alaska filing a complaint and forcing Morris Air to become a scheduled operator eventually came back to haunt them? Not sure I'
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