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User currently offlineJACK02116 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 145 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 30508 times:

I guess it's a year or less before BA gets it's first A380.

Does anyone know when they plan to unveil the layout and any news on enhancements to products in premium cabins?

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User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 29518 times:

I wish they would do it before the Olympics. I may be not a BA fan, but I think they have their new flagship, bring people to their country, for it's year of hosting the Olympics.

User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 28761 times:

Too bad BA levies such YQ charges for F and J award tickets, that would be a nice reward.

User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 28563 times:

The products are supposedly remaining the same... J will be upstairs, in a 2-3-2 configuration. The group of three will consist of a forward facing pair on one aisle, and a single rear facing seat on the other from what I've been told (sounds a bit strange to me). Personally I'd have though that J would work well downstairs, with the extra width over the 744 allowing BA to install the existing product in 2-4-2 but with the shoulder space that other products have.

User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7571 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 27067 times:

Quoting JACK02116 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know when they plan to unveil the layout and any news on enhancements to products in premium cabins?

My opinion is unlikely.

The new F Class cabin is still being retrofitted to their current airctraft. 744 G-CIVX flew its first revenue flight with the new F cabin last Wednesday (15 February). Others are yet to be updated.

The first long haul 763 to be fitted with (a slightly modified) 2nd generation J Class lie flat seat, G-BNWW is due to have a test flight from CWL today, 17 February. But all BA's 744s, 772s and 77Ws have this product

The new W Class cabin has only been retrofitted to one aircraft so far, G-RAES. Its first revenue flight with this cabin was approximately 5 weeks ago on 13 January. However all BA's 77Ws were delivered with this cabin fitted.

The new Y Class cabin also fitted to the new BA 77Ws also made its retrofitted debut when 77w 'ES - see above - returned to service in January. The rest of the long haul fleet remasins to be updated..

The short haul 763 fleet will start a cabin refurbishment programme in March or April which includes virtually everything from overhead luggage bins and cabin side panels to lighting and WCs both up the front and down the back.

Of course if Thales were to update the IFE AVOD system that BA is also currently retrofitting to its early 772s , then I am sure BA would use the latest version in the 380.

With the current high level of activity I think it unlikely we will see anything dramatically new on the 380. But you never know.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 24790 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 4):
With the current high level of activity I think it unlikely we will see anything dramatically new on the 380. But you never know.

Possibly some kind of A380 only F, ala SQ Suites.


User currently offlinebastew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 24491 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 5):
Possibly some kind of A380 only F, ala SQ Suites.

Unfortunately not.

BA design manager has already stated in Business Traveller magazine that the current products found on the 'new' 777's will be installed on the A380 with a 're-freshed' Club World cabin and 'some space given back to the passenger' due to the size of the beast. So i'd say the current product in a less cramped environment in F & J than is on current aircraft.


User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2093 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22426 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 3):
The products are supposedly remaining the same... J will be upstairs, in a 2-3-2 configuration. The group of three will consist of a forward facing pair on one aisle, and a single rear facing seat on the other from what I've been told (sounds a bit strange to me). Personally I'd have though that J would work well downstairs, with the extra width over the 744 allowing BA to install the existing product in 2-4-2 but with the shoulder space that other products have.

Actually,

This sounds quite good, because it addresses some of the perceived issues ith Club World, i.e. that 8 abreast seems cramped compared to the competition and that the only "pair" of seats facing the same direction are in the middle. With this layout, there is only one middle seat and that's less of an issue if couples are seated in these.

Club World on the upper deck also allows it to retain some exclusivity. I'm sure that BA can give some space back to the passenger here too, perhaps a couple of mini lounges or a small bar area to compliment the raid the larder service areas.



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User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 17467 times:

It would be a shame if BA do not innvoate with the A380 cabin. As there is more and more pressure from Middle Eastern carriers with superior products now is the time for BA to produce the goods.

With VS implementing a new upper class soon named 'Posh' I am sure they are going to have something up there sleve for when / if they take there A380's


User currently offlinemixalakhs From Cyprus, joined Jan 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 15783 times:

Can anyone tell me
In which US cities BA will use their A380's?
Which city will be the first?
Thank you


User currently offlinebastew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 15521 times:

No-one knows yet as routes havent been announced.

My money however is on LAX or MIA.


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3281 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 15309 times:

The group of three will consist of a forward facing pair on one aisle, and a single rear facing seat on the other from what I've been told (sounds a bit strange to me).

I can see this working. All three seat would have direct isle access.



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User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5147 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14050 times:

Quoting bastew (Reply 10):
My money however is on LAX or MIA.

I thought MIA is a very low yielding tourist destination. Would that premium heavy A380 not have better use on some corporate routes?


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9661 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13999 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 3):
The products are supposedly remaining the same... J will be upstairs, in a 2-3-2 configuration. The group of three will consist of a forward facing pair on one aisle, and a single rear facing seat on the other from what I've been told (sounds a bit strange to me).

I believe 2-3-2 will be in their 787s as well, so the middle seats will go from being coveted by pairs to being a despised coffin.



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User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 12502 times:

Quoting mixalakhs (Reply 9):
Which city will be the first?

The word on the street is LAX, HKG and JNB. No doubt there will be some shorter training flights around Europe before she enters long haul service.

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 11):
I can see this working. All three seat would have direct isle access.

No they wouldn't. The person sitting in the middle still has to climb over the person sitting next to them in the pair (or the feet of the person sitting one row ahead, on the other aisle) -- direct aisle access means nobody between you and the aisle.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8387 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 12031 times:
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Quoting kl911 (Reply 12):
I thought MIA is a very low yielding tourist destination. Would that premium heavy A380 not have better use on some corporate routes?

That is the preception but BA has been flying the same 744's and now 772 with the same F and J cabins to Miami for decades they fly to JFK, HKG, JNB and SIN. BA doesn't fly a no F and small J cabin plane to Miami. Even Virgin flies LHR configured A346 and 744's.


User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2093 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11884 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 13):
I believe 2-3-2 will be in their 787s as well, so the middle seats will go from being coveted by pairs to being a despised coffin.

Why? Did you not read qf002's post, which you reposted? The middle 3 will be a forward facing pair, then a rear facing single. It will not be a forward facing single, rear facing single, forward facing single that would create the "despised coffin" you infer.



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User currently offlinespeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11768 times:

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 16):

Club is 2-4-2 downstairs and 2-3-2 upstairs. The middle seat IS rear facing, the aisle seats each side are forward facing.

There is a surprise with the middle seat though, eliminating the 'coffin' feel.


User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11136 times:

Quoting speedmarque (Reply 17):
Club is 2-4-2 downstairs and 2-3-2 upstairs. The middle seat IS rear facing, the aisle seats each side are forward facing.

There is a surprise with the middle seat though, eliminating the 'coffin' feel.

So the BA A380 will have Club downstairs now as well?? More knowledgeable members of this forum have always insisted that BA will only have J upstairs, and that the central set will include a pair on one aisle and a single seat on the other, which is what I was basing my post on... Very intrigued now, care to share what the surprise is??  

[Edited 2012-02-18 19:17:36]

User currently offlinescrappy27 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10302 times:

Wish I could see the configs as I'm hearing numerous reports....
I'm supposed working in these things!?!?! lol


User currently offlinespeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10208 times:

Quoting scrappy27 (Reply 20):

You might be waiting a while.............

[Edited 2012-02-19 07:36:25]

User currently offlineGingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10028 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 15):
Even Virgin flies LHR configured A346 and 744's.

Well VS do fly the route out of LHR  



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User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9367 times:

Quoting speedmarque (Reply 19):
Im not being funny but how on earth do you know which are 'more knowledgable' members? Just because they shout louder? State rumour as fact? Post their own wishful thinking as true?

Perhaps -- but they make the same claims to information from the inside that you do... At the end of the day, I was just relaying what is rumored, and made it clear that what I posted was just what others had suggested...


User currently offlineAAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 411 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9313 times:

Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 8):
It would be a shame if BA do not innvoate with the A380 cabin. As there is more and more pressure from Middle Eastern carriers with superior products now is the time for BA to produce the goods.

Yes, good point. As this is expected to the flagship of BA's fleet for the next 15-20 years it would be a shame not to launch an industry-leading product they could then get 10 good years use out of, rather then retofit the 380s in 4 years time...



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9007 times:

Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 8):
As there is more and more pressure from Middle Eastern carriers with superior products now is the time for BA to produce the goods.

BA don't need to garner/lure 'premium' custom with over the top frills as compensation for a time consuming transfer.

One of the benefits of not trying to be 'too big' ! Those days are over.

Not being funny but that's just the way it is.



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25 lhr380 : Why does BA have to have huge space wasting cabins like SQ or EK F? It's does very well with its current products, yes the 380 will give even more roo
26 mutu : it is also very important to BA that with the new fleet entering service there is a consistent product across the fleet, so once 763s are retired, 380
27 aidoair : Totally agree. I feel BA have a brilliant product in each of their cabins. Perhaps they could standardise the European / Short-haul product but thats
28 lhr380 : And they can afford to spend that money and waste space as they have a unlimited amount of cash in their pockets to do it. If BA went to say 2 2 2 in
29 JACK02116 : Slightly off topic, but on the subject of consistency of product across the fleet, has the LGW 777 fleet refit to new First started? Can't find any in
30 APYu : Yes, all LGW aircraft with F will have the new product by April, the date for completion was announced just this week I believe
31 mah4546 : There aren't many trans-Atlantic routes with as much premium demand as MIALHR. British Airways didn't fly the Concorde to Miami for the tourists, tha
32 VV701 : The current BA 772 LGW based fleet numbers nine aircraft. They are: 4-class aircraft configured for 224 passengers with old F Cabin fitted with old 1
33 BlueShamu330s : I have heard this claim before, but personal experience of flying F on the route does not fully support it. Perhaps it applies to J more than F. My o
34 AABB777 : How is the New First conversion coming along on the LHR-based 772s? Is this fleet nearly complete?
35 mah4546 : I'm not basing anything on anecdotal personal experiences. I'm basing it on MIDT traffic data which shows its a high fare market with significant pre
36 Post contains images BlueShamu330s : I'm not doubting what you say. All I was musing was whether the stats were more indicative of J class demand than to F demand. My anecdotal personal
37 mikey72 : From the persepctive of a layman when will Airbus start 'making' (for want of a better word) the BA A380's ? Just out of interest.
38 babybus : The fact that passengers in all classes will actually be able to get out of their seat and move around in all cabins is all they need. There isn't any
39 mikey72 : They have the high frequency because it connects two of the wealthiest cities on the planet that between them account for a huge proportion of the wo
40 VV701 : No. The early BA 772s, the three 772As (G-ZZZA to 'ZC) and the first fourteen 772ERs (G-RAES, G-V IIA to 'IH and 'IJ to 'IN), all but three of which
41 tonystan : Construction has already started...or at least fabrication!
42 speedbird9 : do we know when we will start to see them out and about? like when you see a totally green aircraft but with just the tail?
43 JACK02116 : So looks like my flight to Grenada in late August will be creaky old First. At least they give out ipads now to replace the postage stamp sized scree
44 mikey72 : Oh...poor you ! Lol
45 lhr380 : Baby bus, you say unessercery high frequency? You do realise its very nessercery? Hardly any flights go empty, they take a lot of premium traffic who
46 APYu : As stated above, the Gatwick fleet F refit to new F is due to be completed in April.
47 VV701 : BA operate seven flights a day to JFK. Six are scheduled to be operated with 744s. The seventh, BA177, is currently operated by a 77W.From the start
48 mikey72 : We are lucky to have you as a member W701. You're always spot on and have the facts and figures to prove it !
49 Post contains links JACK02116 : From Business Traveller today: http://www.businesstraveller.com/new.../baa-s-new-first-coming-to-gatwick Looks like its starting in April, not finish
50 Post contains images JACK02116 : Yep ....... the things we have to suffer .... haha!
51 Post contains images mikey72 : Yeah...really ! Can I come ? (just kidding)[Edited 2012-02-23 03:17:04]
52 Post contains images VV701 : If BA have given this information to "Business Traveller" it would suggest that their plan is to refurbish the small 4-class 772 fleet comprising G-V
53 Tristarsteve : Sorry to disappoint you but IIK left CWL yesterday, and is back in service at LHR. The B777 at CWL is IIM for a 6 day C check.
54 BFS : G-VIIA, IB and IF will be leaving Gatwick permanently, to be exchanged with 3 of the existing 4 class GE powered 772s (G-VIIU, IY and IX I believe). T
55 JACK02116 : And these 3 GE powered aircraft I believe have already been fitted with new First?
56 BFS : Yes, the move will standardise Gatwick's First offering in one swoop as opposed to waiting several months at a time for each of the current LGW 4-cla
57 VV701 : Yes. They were amongst the first aircraft to have their F Cabins reconfigured. 'IU was the very first aircraft to be fitted out with the new F Class.
58 JACK02116 : ...... which is why some of the reports are that LGW First upgrade will be finished by April if they swap the aircraft all at the same time. Though o
59 Post contains images scrappy27 : And back the to thread of BA A380 Fit Out!?
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