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South West CEO Opts For Delta First Class  
User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1189 posts, RR: 10
Posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 23354 times:

People passing through a Delta Air Lines jet loading up Monday evening in Atlanta for a flight to Dallas/Fort Worth may have thought that guy sitting in a first-class seat looked familiar.

In fact, it was Gary Kelly, chairman, president and CEO of Southwest Airlines, coming home from the festivities marking the opening of Southwest's Atlanta station.




http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/a...es-that-was-gary-kelly-sittin.html

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User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 23370 times:

SOP ... Doing the dirty work of checking what the competition offers. Probably came on AA?

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5700 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 23278 times:

This is news how? (To the Article, not you cokepopper)

Kelly is a businessman too. He and Herb Kelleher were always flying on American out of DFW to attend meetings they needed to make.

Fact is, if they have to fly somewhere and AA can get them there faster, they will take American or Delta (Depending on the destination). If they have time and can fly on Southwest and it is non-stop they will fly Southwest.

I guess to the people of Southwest this is not news, it is not unheard of CEO to fly other carriers, especially when time and schedule is of an issue.

Alex

[Edited 2012-02-16 13:30:13]


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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1983 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 23272 times:

It's definitely a funny thought... the CEO of one airline flying another airline. But it makes sense. I've seen him fly DFW-LAX on AA before too. Because of the Wright Amendment, it's not easy getting to and from DAL from various points in the country. He's a busy guy who needs to get where he's going. Period.


My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4576 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 23233 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 2):
This is news how?

It's called "human interest news" my friend.


User currently offlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1189 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 23145 times:

I agree, it's not really "news" but it is funny that the CEO of an Air Line that doesn't see the necessity
of a F/C cabin enjoying it on the competition  


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17777 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 23096 times:

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 5):
I agree, it's not really "news" but it is funny that the CEO of an Air Line that doesn't see the necessity
of a F/C cabin enjoying it on the competition

As well as the nonstop 



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3239 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 23022 times:

Back in the day. HK flew AS to Alaska on several occasions.


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User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 23025 times:

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 5):
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):


There was a time CEO knew how to fly with style......


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9690 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22917 times:

Southwest is in the interesting position of having its headquarters in Dallas, but being separated from the vast majority of stations. Southwest cannot fly from DFW or DAL to ATL, so it makes sense to fly the competition. Although Southwest does not interline with other airlines, they do have reciprocal staff travel (both positive space and space available) so he can fly on Delta for 50% off the published fare. It would be a horrible waste of time if WN management always had to fly WN out of DAL since it limits their options since they have to connect. Fly WN when it makes sense, but fly the competition when it makes business sense. It is better having him fly DL than flying on a corporate jet fleet.


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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6807 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22916 times:

I recall reading somewhere that the commercial airlines reciprocally offer space-positive non-rev travel in the highest available cabin to the CEO's of the other commercial carriers. I don't know if that's apocryphal, though. So it would make sense for GK to go on Delta if that was the only option that worked time-wise.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
As well as the nonstop

You don't think WN would offer ATL-DAL non-stop if they were permitted to do so by law?


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11819 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22870 times:

This isn't really news.

Herb Kelleher was Executive Platinum on AA for years - probably still is. I ran into him several times at DFW over the years.


User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22863 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):

What is ironic is he chose DL over AA or FL  


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17777 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22807 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):
You don't think WN would offer ATL-DAL non-stop if they were permitted to do so by law?

Of course they would.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22782 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):

Did FL fly ATL-DFW also?


User currently offlineAABB777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 588 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22752 times:
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Not unusual for airline CEOs to fly their competitors if it's justified and makes sense. Just last week AA's Horton flew US LGA-DCA.

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6807 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22744 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 12):
What is ironic is he chose DL over AA or FL

FL wasn't a choice since they had to stop serving DFW almost six months ago. AA's latest ATL-DFW flight departs at 8:20 PM, while DL's latest departs at 10:00 PM -- so it may have come down to schedule.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5700 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22713 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 12):
What is ironic is he chose DL over AA or FL

Depends, and Air Tran cannot legally fly ATL-DFW anymore so FL was not an option.

Quoting xdlx (Reply 14):
Did FL fly ATL-DFW also?

Until November of 2011 they did.

Alex



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User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22676 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 16):

Hey you said it not me..... !


User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1047 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22593 times:

Get this... Almost all US airlines allow crew members (flight attendants and pilots) from other US airlines fly for free on domestic flights in any open cabin seat.   


My post is my ideas and my opinions only, I do not represent the ideas or opinions of anyone else or company.
User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22516 times:

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 19):

And CEO have a PS1 priority for boarding on any other carrier.


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22424 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 20):
And CEO have a PS1 priority for boarding on any other carrier.

What does this mean?



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User currently offlineEASTERN747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22250 times:

The picture of the Lockheed jet above was a perk we (EASTERN) got when the L-1011 joined the fleet. Borman's toy was used alot to fly him and family out to their ranch somewhere out west.

User currently offlinenws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 910 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22203 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 21):
What does this mean?

Positive Space -- meaning they travel in a reserved seat, the opposite would be an SA (Space Available) pass. Most nonrev travel is space available, which is like standby, you get a seat if there is one available at departure.


User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 22201 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 12):
What is ironic is he chose DL over AA or FL

FL no longer flies ATL-DFW



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User currently offlinewnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 23142 times:

CEOs are like flight crews they get free jump seats also. 80% of the time when first class is open they will put flight crews and other Non-Rev's up in the seats. Wnfg


my post are my opinion only and not those of southwest airlines and or airtran airlines.
User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1983 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 22860 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 25):
CEOs are like flight crews they get free jump seats also. 80% of the time when first class is open they will put flight crews and other Non-Rev's up in the seats.

You really think he NONREVED home? I don't think so.



My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1475 posts, RR: 17
Reply 27, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 23037 times:

Even GK doesn't like the cattle car experience of riding WN. Isn't that considered an "offsides" penalty by riding the competition if you believe those ridiculous ads WN airs.

DL should run and ad touting that the CEO of WN travels on them when he needs a first class seat! So no bags to check and a FC seat are more important than a free checked bag to a business customer. The inference that can be drawn is that GK doesn't believe WN could pull off a FC product and that is why he is so afraid of having on his own carrier.


User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1475 posts, RR: 17
Reply 28, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 22928 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 25):
CEOs are like flight crews they get free jump seats also. 80% of the time when first class is open they will put flight crews and other Non-Rev's up in the seats. Wnfg

To get a jumpseat offline you have to have a crew badge, I am willing to bet Mr Kelly is not in CASS and isn't jumpseat eligible. No, Mr Kelly was spending WN dollars on a expenses to buy a comfortable NON-STOP FC seat!!!


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5703 posts, RR: 6
Reply 29, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 22941 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 27):
Even GK doesn't like the cattle car experience of riding WN.

Oh. Dear. God.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 26):

You really think he NONREVED home? I don't think so.

Yeah I kinda laughed at that one too.

CEOs and other executives and board members purchase their tickets no matter which airline or class they fly. It's charged to a company credit card and is considered a business expense.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 30, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 22751 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):

Funny enough, Richard Anderson doesn't even take advantage of his confirmed positive space first class right when flying domestic. He will take a seat in coach (usually second exit row aisle) and be placed on the upgrade list like any other employee flying positive space and wait for a seat based on seniority after all medallions and standby upgrades are cleared. Flying international I've heard he will fly positive space up front confirmed.



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 31, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 22536 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 9):
Southwest cannot fly from DFW or DAL to ATL

Can WN not fly DFW-ATL? Is this part of their DAL agreement?



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5700 posts, RR: 52
Reply 32, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 22382 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 31):

Can WN not fly DFW-ATL? Is this part of their DAL agreement?

No, Southwest or Air Tran cannot fly DFW-ATL or DAL-ATL as part of the DAL Agreement, without consequences until 2014.

That's why we saw FL drop DFW-ATL back in November of 2011.

Alex



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 33, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 22351 times:

Some airlines have (had?) one or two corporate jets. Surprised WN doesn't have any considering their awkward situation in Dallas.

User currently offlineMSJYOP28Apilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 236 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 22333 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 28):


Not true. Im a dispatcher and have no crew badge. Just an airline ID badge. I am in CASS and jumpseat offline very often, frequently having to ride in the cockpit due to high load factors. I frequently jumpseat on US, WN, UA/CAL, UPS, AA and all their regionals every week.

[Edited 2012-02-16 15:59:03]

User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 22149 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 31):
Can WN not fly DFW-ATL? Is this part of their DAL agreement?

IIRC they can fly DFW-ATL, but then they have to give up gates at DAL (ie not going to happen).

No one is allowed to fly DAL-ATL at this time (though sometime in the future that restriction will be lifted).


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1628 posts, RR: 3
Reply 36, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 22095 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 28):
No, Mr Kelly was spending WN dollars on a expenses to buy a comfortable NON-STOP FC seat!!!

An *assigned* comfortable FC seat with free alcohol and snacks. I think that's what I'd prefer too...



Hey Swifty
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 37, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21901 times:

Quoting ADent (Reply 35):

Ummm...that's not true. DL was flying DAL-ATL not to long ago using CR2s but the route has since been discontinued.



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User currently offlinePI767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 38, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21860 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 27):
Even GK doesn't like the cattle car experience of riding WN

Huh... I wonder how that explains me seeing him on several Southwest flights?


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10593 posts, RR: 14
Reply 39, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21836 times:

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 19):
Get this... Almost all US airlines allow crew members (flight attendants and pilots) from other US airlines fly for free on domestic flights in any open cabin seat.

True, as long as the airlines have a reciprocal jump seat agreement.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6085 posts, RR: 9
Reply 40, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21813 times:

Quoting ADent (Reply 35):
No one is allowed to fly DAL-ATL at this time (though sometime in the future that restriction will be lifted).

Anyone can fly DAL-ATL as long as they use an aircraft with less than a certain number of seats (think its 66.)



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User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21761 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 37):
Ummm...that's not true. DL was flying DAL-ATL not to long ago using CR2s but the route has since been discontinued.

Oooh you are correct. IIRC if you are under 56 seats you can fly wherever you want in the US.

WN can't fly DAL-ATL with its 737s. No airline can fly that route non-stop with larger aircraft, but with the small jets they can.

[Edited 2012-02-16 16:18:54]

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5700 posts, RR: 52
Reply 42, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21410 times:

Quoting ADent (Reply 35):

No one is allowed to fly DAL-ATL at this time (though sometime in the future that restriction will be lifted).

As stated by FLYASA, any airline may fly DAL-XXX outside of the Restrictions provided the seat capacity is 56 seats or less.

Quoting ADent (Reply 35):

IIRC they can fly DFW-ATL, but then they have to give up gates at DAL (ie not going to happen).

Yes and No...if SWA is really going to start up Dallas to ATL or any city outside of the amendment, they'd just do it from DAL, they will not fly out of DFW as long as DAL is an option.

The wording is quite specific in two parts..SWA may NOT fly DAL or DFW-ATL or any city outside of the restriction...then it goes on should SWA choose to do so before 2014...the consequences would be...and it's what you started about the gates, as well as any city I believe 80 miles around Dallas.

Alex



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 43, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21394 times:

Quoting ADent (Reply 41):

And as noted above, Southwest/AirTran can in fact fly DFW-XXX but they would have to give up gates one-for-one at DAL for they gates they keep/use at DFW. WN isn't doing that, hence FL pulling out of DFW last year.



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User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1475 posts, RR: 17
Reply 44, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21331 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 39):
True, as long as the airlines have a reciprocal jump seat agreement.

Except that Kelly isn't part of the group allowed to jumpseat.

I do hope DL promotes that they are the choice of the WN CEO. The same CEO that spends his marketing dollars attacking the very airline he is riding. Perhaps if WN tried to compete on their own service and amenities versus the pet Chihuahua method they employ this wouldn't be such a big deal.


User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1475 posts, RR: 17
Reply 45, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21082 times:

Quoting MSJYOP28Apilot (Reply 34):
Im a dispatcher and have no crew badge. Just an airline ID badge.

GK doesn't meet the requirements of a CASS participant. The CASS system is limited and our dispatchers were carrying id's that indicated cockpit access on them. Don't see too many dispatchers along for rides.

Also the cockpit jumpseat can only be occupied by an offline CASS jumpseater if ALL cabin seats are filled. If the only seat in the back is between two sumo wrestlers the offline pilot must sit next to them according the FAA....


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2312 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21022 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 44):
I do hope DL promotes that they are the choice of the WN CEO. The same CEO that spends his marketing dollars attacking the very airline he is riding. Perhaps if WN tried to compete on their own service and amenities versus the pet Chihuahua method they employ this wouldn't be such a big deal.

I am sure Anderson has flown AA, WN, UA/CO, US etc while working for DL, so it would just come back to bite DL.

And Pet Chihuahua method? Really?


User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20923 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 45):
Also the cockpit jumpseat can only be occupied by an offline CASS jumpseater if ALL cabin seats are filled. If the only seat in the back is between two sumo wrestlers the offline pilot must sit next to them according the FAA....

Which makes no sense from a CRM point of view....



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 48, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20284 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 46):
so it would just come back to bite DL

Also, such a "come back" wouldn't fit with DL's current advertising style. Moving through 2012 from 2011, the Keep Climbing campaign will continue. At the moment, the focus is on Delta's turn around from 2010 with all the accomplishments being pushed to all the media outlets. It was truly a test of will to be better and you have to thank leadership, the technology department and maketing notably Tim Mapes and all the employees that made it happen. Moving from 8th to 3rd for on-time performance, from 8th to 3rd for bag deals, from 9th to 5th for completion factor, and from 9th to 5th for customer complaints. Fortune’s Most Admired Airline, #1 U.S. airlines in Business Travel News and Travel Weekly, and top tech U.S. airline from PCWorld.

However, wouldn't be surprised to see a quick jab somewhere in print in ATL   In fact, in anticipation of WN's arrival in Atlanta, DL started another branding initiative to re-do all the tugs and baggage carts; to be wrapped in Delta Blue with the red widget and the words "Atlanta's Airline" on the side of the carts. Before they were all plain white with "Delta" on the sides and front and of course they couldn't be outdone by WN's iconic bold colors on all their GSE equipment.



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User currently offlinePI767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 49, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20208 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 44):
I do hope DL promotes that they are the choice of the WN CEO. The same CEO that spends his marketing dollars attacking the very airline he is riding. Perhaps if WN tried to compete on their own service and amenities versus the pet Chihuahua method they employ this wouldn't be such a big deal.

Yeah... the same way American spent their advertising dollars in the Herb Kelleher years promoting the fact that Herb often flew AA on longer routes out of Dallas. Oh wait... they didn't.

And the pet chihuahua comment.... I don't even understand it. Seriously... I don't.

All we have to do is read any of your many previous anti-Southwest posts to know you don't like them. We get it. But if you are going to try to insult Southwest, at least use phrases we understand. "Pet Chihuahua method?"

 


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15810 posts, RR: 27
Reply 50, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20130 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 28):
No, Mr Kelly was spending WN dollars on a expenses to buy a comfortable NON-STOP FC seat!!!

What executive at a company as large as Southwest would not be allowed a first class seat? This is only news because it is Southwest, and frankly, executives isn't exactly the Southwest demographic although many business travelers do find them very convenient.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 29):
CEOs and other executives and board members purchase their tickets no matter which airline or class they fly. It's charged to a company credit card and is considered a business expense.

   These are the people that will buy two or three tickets to cover the possibility of a meeting running long.



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User currently offlinePI767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 51, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19945 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 28):
No, Mr Kelly was spending WN dollars on a expenses to buy a comfortable NON-STOP FC seat!!!

I seriously doubt Mr. Kelly was spending WN money to fly DL First Class. I am sure, almost positive, that there is some kind of agreement that allows him to fly for free on other carriers.

Trust me, there would be an uproar among Southwest employees who so very much value their profit sharing if Gary Kelly was using company funds to fly First Class on another carrier on a route he could have flown on WN.

I have no doubt that the CEOs of every major airline get first class perks on other carriers.

Quoting mcdu (Reply 44):
I do hope DL promotes that they are the choice of the WN CEO. The same CEO that spends his marketing dollars attacking the very airline he is riding.

While they are at it, maybe EVERY airline including YOURS who has employees that travel on other carriers because it is not only more convenient but free should advertize it? Maybe American should take a picture of me and advertize the fact I choose to commute to work on THEM rather than my own airline because it is simply more convenient.

It's a part of the airline business....we fly who is most convenient. I don't know who you fly for (although I have a clue) but I am sure plenty of your fellow pilots and flight attendants and even ground personnel fly other carriers for free or reduced rate when it is more convenient.

Stop making an issue of the fact that Southwest's CEO flew, probably for free, on another airline. ALL airline employees (and our chihuahuas) have probably done so.

Put your hatred for Southwest aside and post something that makes sense.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 52, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19486 times:

Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 25):
80% of the time when first class is open they will put flight crews and other Non-Rev's up in the seats.

That is not exactly true....

Quoting mcdu (Reply 28):
I am willing to bet Mr Kelly is not in CASS and isn't jumpseat eligible.

You'll win that bet easily according to the FAR's.



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User currently offlinePI767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 53, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19402 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 52):
You'll win that bet easily according to the FAR's.

Which is a moot point since he didn't jumpseat.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 54, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19319 times:

Quoting PI767 (Reply 53):
Which is a moot point since he didn't jumpseat.

The point I was making is that he is probably not in CASS so even if he did sit in jumpseat in the cockpit, it would be an illegal ride per the FAR's. And as explained in reply 45.

Quoting mcdu (Reply 45):
Don't see too many dispatchers along for rides.

I thought dispatchers were required to do a checkride every 6 months to a year or something like that.



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User currently offlineAAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 419 posts, RR: 3
Reply 55, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16905 times:

Quoting PI767 (Reply 51):
I seriously doubt Mr. Kelly was spending WN money to fly DL First Class. I am sure, almost positive, that there is some kind of agreement that allows him to fly for free on other carriers.

There certainly are agreements between the US airlines for executive travel, although some or all of them may not take advantage of it and choose to pay instead.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 29):
CEOs and other executives and board members purchase their tickets no matter which airline or class they fly. It's charged to a company credit card and is considered a business expense.

Absolutely incorrect. You also have to remember that even the lowest level of airline employees get industry-wide travel privileges, which, although not 100% free, generally allow extremely low cost standby travel. For upper management, the agreements generally include free confirmed economy and premium cabin travel.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 26):


You really think he NONREVED home? I don't think so.

It's quite possible... although not on standby.

Quoting xdlx (Reply 12):
What is ironic is he chose DL over AA or FL

Don't you think this dude, having risen to the top of the most successful US airline in history, has flown every airline you can think of?  



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12261 posts, RR: 35
Reply 56, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 16687 times:
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Quoting mcdu (Reply 45):
Also the cockpit jumpseat can only be occupied by an offline CASS jumpseater if ALL cabin seats are filled. If the only seat in the back is between two sumo wrestlers the offline pilot must sit next to them according the FAA....

Although in that situation, I have a feeling the plane may somehow become balance critical and need more weight up front  
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 55):
I thought dispatchers were required to do a checkride every 6 months to a year or something like that.

They are, but only on their own carrier. So I'm sure not "a lot" ride jumpseat on other carriers.



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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2417 posts, RR: 22
Reply 57, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15899 times:

So when he paid a bag fee, did someone pop out from the blue toss him a yellow flag and call a penalty?   


ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1039 posts, RR: 5
Reply 58, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14890 times:

As a former airline executive, we *do* have it in our interline travel agreements that certain people at a level xx and higher get positive space in whatever class of service the other airline allows. So this doesn't surprise me. When I was with Mokulele prior, I was always on positive space on Delta in F between Hawaii and the US, and pos space on CO in Y with upgrade to F if available (and yes, above other frequent flyers).

When I was the Director of Sales at an American Connection carrier, I was booked into F on AA and same on CO when flying to/from places for company business, and Y when on pleasure. US/F9/B6/FL always confirmed me and put me in premium cabin or seating when available.

I've even filled one of our 9 seaters with the president and his family of another airline. Our CEO took a look at the booking flight and flipped out at first, then when he saw the manifest, made sure he was out to say a friendly "hello" to him and personally boarded his family.



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14731 times:

Time is money of course he did. I wouldn't expect him to connect and loose that much time especially being in Dallas and the whole Wright Amendment. Once that gets lifted it will be mentionable

User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13672 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 27):
DL should run and ad touting that the CEO of WN travels on them when he needs a first class seat! So no bags to check and a FC seat are more important than a free checked bag to a business customer. The inference that can be drawn is that GK doesn't believe WN could pull off a FC product and that is why he is so afraid of having on his own carrier.

They just dont fly the route. Its about time savings. I dont think its fair to make any of those assumptions that you just made. Its not like he was flying on a united DEN-LAS flight or some route that they serve and had empty seats at the same time.


User currently offlinemcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1475 posts, RR: 17
Reply 61, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13262 times:

Quoting PI767 (Reply 49):
And the pet chihuahua comment.... I don't even understand it. Seriously... I don't.

The yippy, ankle biter, look at me method or gaining attention.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 50):
What executive at a company as large as Southwest would not be allowed a first class seat? This is only news because it is Southwest, and frankly, executives isn't exactly the Southwest demographic although many business travelers do find them very convenient.

Do you think the CEO of GM rents a Ford when traveling on business? Does the CEO of Pepsi stock his office fridge with Coke? And would getting either of these for free justify the action?

Quoting PI767 (Reply 51):
While they are at it, maybe EVERY airline including YOURS who has employees that travel on other carriers because it is not only more convenient but free should advertize it?

Except that the other carriers don't generally make their entire ad budget about the service of OTHER carriers. I don't blame a WN employee that travels on another carrier that wishes to get between A and B and chooses another carrier. I do think it looks incredibly incongruous for Mr. Kelly to be the head of the company with those ads on bag fees, change fees and the evilness of the other carriers to fly on one of those carriers.

Mr Kelly just appears not to have the courage of his convictions about travel on carriers with fees. Leading by example is key and Mr. Kelly is painting a very clear picture about his leadership.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19244 posts, RR: 52
Reply 62, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12866 times:

While WN obviously doesn't yet fly ATL-DAL non-stop, he could simply have laughed and said: "The Southwest flights were full."


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinevhtje From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12063 times:
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Agreed, I think this is non-news. Wasn't there a story a few months ago (?) about Sir Richard Branson flying BA?

I'm sure the BA crew on that flight were thorough professionals and did not spit on his food...


User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7469 posts, RR: 8
Reply 64, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11913 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
As well as the nonstop

You don't think WN would offer ATL-DAL non-stop if they were permitted to do so by law?
Quoting xdlx (Reply 14):
Did FL fly ATL-DFW also?
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 37):
Ummm...that's not true. DL was flying DAL-ATL not to long ago using CR2s but the route has since been discontinued.

Unfortunately / fortunately for the proponents / opponents of the WA, this was a WN employee so no one is praising the fact that DFW got money on this rather than DAL which was the intent of the WA.

There were two sides to the WA the punitive side is lost because it was a WN staff, looking for the silver lining for the WN side, it does allow them to show how much more it cost to travel home to DAL because of the WA, I hope he did not check a bag to pay the dreaded bag fees, if he did the flag was definately there for a "Personal Foul"  


User currently offlineAAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 419 posts, RR: 3
Reply 65, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10806 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 63):

Except that the other carriers don't generally make their entire ad budget about the service of OTHER carriers. I don't blame a WN employee that travels on another carrier that wishes to get between A and B and chooses another carrier. I do think it looks incredibly incongruous for Mr. Kelly to be the head of the company with those ads on bag fees, change fees and the evilness of the other carriers to fly on one of those carriers.

Mr Kelly just appears not to have the courage of his convictions about travel on carriers with fees. Leading by example is key and Mr. Kelly is painting a very clear picture about his leadership.

I think Mr. Kelly understands very well the logic behind the other airlines charging bag fess . He and the rest of the WN leadership have bet ( and so far so good) that WN will be better off without bag fees then with them. As far as the "evilness" of bag fees, its charging for a service that was previously free, which is neither an unethical act or a felony....
So when GK flies DL he does it because he likes the schedule better, something Herb Kelleher did for years when he flew a million miles on AA. Did it make Kelleher a hypocrite to fly an airline with assigned seating and meals in coach?



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User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4289 posts, RR: 6
Reply 66, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10156 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 10):
I recall reading somewhere that the commercial airlines reciprocally offer space-positive non-rev travel in the highest available cabin to the CEO's of the other commercial carriers. I don't know if that's apocryphal, though. So it would make sense for GK to go on Delta if that was the only option that worked time-wise.

I think this is 100% correct.
As much as the airline business is a cut-throat, low-margin industry, there is also a small measure of comraderie between the top executive levels of the major airlines, at least in the US and North America. All of the CEOs know each other (they may not like each other) and they know their competitors' businesses. That's what being an executive is all about. This was not about "checking out the competition" or anything like that, it was most likely the most convenient way to get home or to the next meeting.
So it shouldn't surprise ANYBODY that the CEO of one airline flies on a different or competing airline. It happens all the time, and as you wrote ScottB, it was most likely comped with no charge to WN or Kelly. And I am guessing he got the highest level of service possible just like any other VIP, too. If Richard Anderson wanted to fly Southwest, I am just as sure he would be welcomed aboard - it may not be First Class but I am sure WN would give him two or three seats to 'spread out.'



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3614 posts, RR: 2
Reply 67, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 9036 times:

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 68):
He and the rest of the WN leadership have bet ( and so far so good) that WN will be better off without bag fees then with them.

Don't be fooled by the marketing and PR. The real reason they don't have bag fess is because their IT systems can't charge you for them. Once they can bag fees will go the way of the hot pants. As a shareholder I'd be angry that my company left $200MM on the table (as guessed by Mr. Kelly).



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User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1047 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8717 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 70):

They do charge bag fees, just not for the first two... The IT limitations have to do with international capabilities with passports, assigned seats, etc... Not bag fees. They're able to charge for pets, unaccompanied minors, "early bird check-in", overweight/size bags, etc; I'm pretty sure it can handle bags 1 and 2 if they wanted.



My post is my ideas and my opinions only, I do not represent the ideas or opinions of anyone else or company.
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23203 posts, RR: 20
Reply 69, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8689 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 61):
Do you think the CEO of GM rents a Ford when traveling on business?

Absolutely (though maybe not a Ford, as they don't do as much fleet selling as some others). Why would he have any control over whether his rental is an Altima or an Accord versus a Malibu? I have ridden with employees of automakers in vehicles of all makes and models.



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User currently offline737tanker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8543 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 70):
Don't be fooled by the marketing and PR. The real reason they don't have bag fess is because their IT systems can't charge you for them. Once they can bag fees will go the way of the hot pants. As a shareholder I'd be angry that my company left $200MM on the table (as guessed by Mr. Kelly).


I guess you don't know that WN does charge for bags, it is only the 1st two that you check that they don't charge for. So since WN has the IT capability to charge for 3 or more bags I believe they have the IT capability to charge for the 2nd bag, or even the 1st, if they wanted to. Since Gary Kelly states that he has numbers that show WN is making more money by getting new customers than charging for bags I will believe his numbers. From talking with WN Gate agents they are seeing numerous passengers who are telling them they are flying WN due to what they are saving in bag fees.


User currently offlinesan88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 71, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8477 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 70):
he real reason they don't have bag fess is because their IT systems can't charge you for them

Hmmm I don’t think that even slightly true. It’s pretty easy actually if they wanted to do it, (former ground agent) Upon check-in, there’s a list of auxiliary options we can charge for (extra bag, pets, etc..), all the company has to do is add a bag fee option, heck we can enter an amount manually if we wanted too.

But back to the main thread, This is a SLOW news day ......yawn

Quoting richierich (Reply 69):
As much as the airline business is a cut-throat, low-margin industry, there is also a small measure of comraderie

From my few years in the industry, most industry employees treat each other with respect regardless of carrier; in fact, most go out of their way to treat you great. At the end of the day we are all friends who have the same job.



sit on the Captain side when you fly into SAN
User currently offlineb727fa From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8321 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 1):
SOP ... Doing the dirty work of checking what the competition offers.

In first?



My comments/opinions are my own and are not to be construed as the opinion(s) of my employer.
User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6807 posts, RR: 32
Reply 73, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7311 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 69):
As much as the airline business is a cut-throat, low-margin industry, there is also a small measure of comraderie between the top executive levels of the major airlines, at least in the US and North America. All of the CEOs know each other (they may not like each other) and they know their competitors' businesses.

...and they all know that they may end up working for or with one or more of the other top executives at another carrier some day, so it makes sense to keep things cordial. They also see and talk to each other at the same analyst conferences.

Quoting san88 (Reply 74):
From my few years in the industry, most industry employees treat each other with respect regardless of carrier; in fact, most go out of their way to treat you great. At the end of the day we are all friends who have the same job.

And just as with the execs, you never know who you might end up working with in ten years...


User currently offlinetockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7228 times:

i've often wondered how WN keeps its employees happy since they cannot match the international perks offered by so many other mainline carriers. you hear stories of FAs jumping flights to hawaii and japan and europe all the time if space is available. WN gets you to some good cities, sure... but it's not nearly the perk it is at other airlines.

User currently offlineAAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 419 posts, RR: 3
Reply 75, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7093 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 70):
Don't be fooled by the marketing and PR. The real reason they don't have bag fess is because their IT systems can't charge you for them. Once they can bag fees will go the way of the hot pants. As a shareholder I'd be angry that my company left $200MM on the table (as guessed by Mr. Kelly).

They do charge for bags- try checking in your skis and see what happens!!!



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User currently offlinesan88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 76, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7032 times:

Quoting tockeyhockey (Reply 77):
i've often wondered how WN keeps its employees happy

our pay checks :P



sit on the Captain side when you fly into SAN
User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3004 posts, RR: 1
Reply 77, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7011 times:

Quoting tockeyhockey (Reply 77):

i've often wondered how WN keeps its employees happy since they cannot match the international perks offered by so many other mainline carriers. you hear stories of FAs jumping flights to hawaii and japan and europe all the time if space is available. WN gets you to some good cities, sure... but it's not nearly the perk it is at other airlines.

With most airlines, you can get benefits with other carriers- you can fly standby on some other airline if you want to go to Mexico.



The 747 will always be the TRUE queen of the skies!
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5700 posts, RR: 52
Reply 78, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6894 times:

Quoting tockeyhockey (Reply 77):
i've often wondered how WN keeps its employees happy since they cannot match the international perks offered by so many other mainline carriers. you hear stories of FAs jumping flights to hawaii and japan and europe all the time if space is available. WN gets you to some good cities, sure... but it's not nearly the perk it is at other airlines.

When I chose to work for Southwest, I didn't do it because of Flight Benefits It was not on my list of priority.

My priorities in working for an airline was..

--Is my job secure?
--Is the company in good financial standings?
--Will my future be ok financially and physically

Southwest, at the time I applied offered all of those things, what's the good use of flight benefits if your company is not doing well?

Southwest Employees are happy because they have a job, a company that has been in great financial shape, and offers amazing profit sharing, retirement and other benefits not related to flight.

Suffice to say, unless you are on airliners.net, most airline employees do NOT apply to the airlines just to fly, though it is indeed a huge perk, to most it is a job.

I do not need to fly international to be happy at my job, after all, to be able to gon trips in the first place, I need Money..how do I get the money? By working!

Also as mentioned above, SWA Employees do get benefits on other carriers to be able to go international, we just have lower priority that's all.

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 78):

They do charge for bags- try checking in your skis and see what happens!!!

Hmmh?

Southwest does not charge for Skis, or do you mean a ski bag without skis?

Southwest Airlines does not charge for your first or second checked bag. Skis and golf bags fly free too!

http://www.southwest.com/html/air/no...fees.html?int=HOMEHERONCFBFF110218

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineAAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 419 posts, RR: 3
Reply 79, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5895 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 81):
Southwest Airlines does not charge for your first or second checked bag. Skis and golf bags fly free too!

OK, fine then... those generous bastards. How about my 125 ib case of lead bars?  



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User currently offlinescramjetter From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5444 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 33):
Some airlines have (had?) one or two corporate jets. Surprised WN doesn't have any considering their awkward situation in Dallas.



It would be cool to see something like a Gulfstream in WN colors!


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1983 posts, RR: 2
Reply 81, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5341 times:

I'm always amazed how these A.net threads take such bizarre turns....... The last 20 posts aren't even about the original topic.


My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4289 posts, RR: 6
Reply 82, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 86):
I think it's common for car manufacturer executives to want to drive their competitors' products to see how they compare with their own. That's true for many other products and services. Wouldn't be suprised if they often specifically request a competitor's vehicle.

If car executives don't know relevant details about their competitors product offerings, finances, market strategies, and in some cases upcoming products, then they shouldn't be in the business. Same for airline executives.

For the record, I quite sure the CEO of GM and Ford probably have livery drivers meeting them at their destinations or when off to business meetings. They don't take the Hertz bus and rent a car, folks.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 76):
...and they all know that they may end up working for or with one or more of the other top executives at another carrier some day, so it makes sense to keep things cordial. They also see and talk to each other at the same analyst conferences.

Correct. It is actually quite a small group when you think about it!

Quoting san88 (Reply 74):
At the end of the day we are all friends who have the same job.

And that's the way it should be, face-to-face anyway.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6555 posts, RR: 20
Reply 83, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4536 times:

Quoting mcdu (Reply 27):

Didnt the son of DL CEO say he preferred to fly B6? He obviously flew DL for free, but he stated that if he had to PAY, he 'd prefer B6 over DL. GK may have had to DL out of necessity, but this guy PREFERRED another carrier over his father's employer.......should B6 be running ads?

& yes, this was DL's ......FORMER......CEO.......but I'm just trying to show you how ridiculous you sound !!!!



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
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