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AA F/A Launches Petition Drive To Replace Mgmt  
User currently offlinetpac From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 40 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8270 times:

The "sAAve American Airlines" petition at http://www.change.org/petitions/saave-american-airlines is seeking 250,000 signatures calling on U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane to replace the carrier's top management.

What do you think about this effort?

[Edited 2012-02-17 19:28:24]

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User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8190 times:

There are some guys in PHX who would love the Job  

User currently offlinecaliboy78 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8191 times:

I think is funny that the one F/A who kept posting those youtube videos is the one that is doing this.... afraid to loose your job then stop doing those things just because you have a union that makes it almost imposible to get fired.... and instead of bashing management and keep listening to that lunatic Glading that keeps feeding all this BS about how AA management made millions while the employees made peanuts.... blah blah blah..... why don't they tell people that the unions agreed to that compensations for the top management and when they realized that they had done they started to feed all this negativity to the employees..... WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES GET USE TO THE PRESENT AND FORGET ABOUT THE PAST....


TAAke pride on what you do and do it well.
User currently offlineBobLoblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1594 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8111 times:
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Quoting etops1 (Reply 1):
There are some guys in PHX who would love the Job

AA employees. if they arent careful, are going to find themselves stapled to the BOTTOM of someone else's seniority list.


User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8052 times:

Not if US gets a hold of them .We do not do that here. At least the FA's don't ..DOH all the way !

User currently offlinelucky777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8038 times:

Quoting etops1 (Reply 1):
There are some guys in PHX who would love the Job

Uggh....dude, why don't you just come out and tell everyone your a LCC flight attendant. And not for nothing, but there's a reason other carriers run from LCC like the plague when Doug Parker and Co. come sniffing around the other airline's backyard, and its not for flattering reasons to say the least. LCC has always been viewed as the redheaded stepchild of Legacy carriers. Keep AA my AA will be coming shortly...does that slogan ring a bell?


User currently offlinedlphoenix From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7956 times:

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 5):
Keep AA my AA will be coming shortly...does that slogan ring a bell?

Yes, of an airline where throughout the BK restructuring process the employee groups and management acted like a unified group with a common interest.
AA employee groups on the other had are trying to convince the BC judge that management is not capable to carry out the restructuring plan they are submitting, guess what, they may end up succeeding. You want to keep AA your AA - stop acting as if you don't.

Fair disclosure - I never forked for an airline, but I have a couple of friends who work for US.

I wish AA and its employees a safe transition through Vh11.

DLP


User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7870 times:

I am a USAirways FA..I call it like I see it ..

User currently offlinevegas005 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7662 times:

The long haul AA Flight Attendants are some of the worst in the industry. I stopped flying AA long haul because of them. Up front in domestic they are generally amazingly good. Not sure what causes this difference but it is dramatic. I don't think these types of employee actions are a good thing , but I hope AA comes out ok in the end for everyone involved.

User currently offlineN211BW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7645 times:

Quoting etops1 (Reply 7):
I am a USAirways FA..I call it like I see it ..

Be careful what you wish for. A US/AA merger might not be in the best interest for US/HP employees. AA employees have much more seniority and they will fight to the end to keep that.



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5172 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7579 times:

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 8):
The long haul AA Flight Attendants are some of the worst in the industry
Quoting vegas005 (Reply 8):
Up front in domestic they are generally amazingly good

  

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 8):
Not sure what causes this difference but it is dramatic

Seniority. I have nothing at all against "senior" crew, just their concept of "customer [dis]service"



Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7473 times:
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Quoting lucky777 (Reply 5):

The guys in ATL would love to get that job to, they have a little better track record at this merger thing then the folks in PHX. All jokig aside an AA/DL merger would create one hell of an airline with no equal, but it probably will newer happen.


User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7445 times:

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 11):
All jokig aside an AA/DL merger would create one hell of an airline with no equal, but it probably will newer happen.

I hope not! An acquisition of AA coupled with a lot of former NWers would make it possible/more likely for DL to turn union.



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User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7374 times:
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Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 12):

That I agree with but maybe with DL historical good relationships with their employees could possibly continue with a unionized workforce. All WN work groups are union and they are doing ok. I'm sure it can be duplicated at other airlines.
I think the upsides of a combined AA/DL network outweigh the possible down side of a unionized work force.


User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7351 times:

If DL gets a hold of AA, AA will be toast. DL will break that Airline up so fast. The AA name and brand will def go away as will many jobs. Not the case in an AA/US tie up where the AA brand will remain and so will AA employees . Either way , the doj will never allow a DL/AA combo. The only reason DL is interested in AA is to prevent a merger with US because AA will instantly become a viable competitor with DL if it were to happen. DL has no interest in keeping AA intact .

User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7210 times:
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Quoting etops1 (Reply 14):



What name survives between DL/AA and US/AA is irrelevant to the shareholders who actually own the companies. Simply they don't care as long as it produces a good return. In any merger people are going to lose jobs. AA is laying of 13000 without a merger. In AA/US merger all the people in Tempe AZ can kiss their jobs good bye, in AA/DL it would be the people in DFW. Why do you think they would want to break up AA. I'm sure DL would love to have DFW, MIA, and assets in JFK/LGA and LAX. The only hub i see being dismantled would be ORD, and I'm sure those assets would be shifted to grow MSP and DTW with ORD becoming a large focus city. Would DOJ allow AA/DL? We don't know and none of us can't say for sure that they would not and how much that would cost AA/DL in slots and routes, but that's for another debate. Simply put AA/DL would be a way better company then AA/US. With AA/US you still have holes in the network - Asia, Africa and Oceania. AA/DL route network would cover the entire globe without any holes - Europe, Asia, Africa, South and Central America, Australia, and the best domestic network of any airline with hubs in ATL, DFW, DTW, LAX, MIA, MSP, JFK/LGA, SLC, and large focus cities of ORD, CVG, BOS, MEM, DCA, SEA and any others I'm forgetting. But like I said that is just my opinion and I don't believe a AA/DL tie up will ever happen just that a merger between the two would be a better company then AA/US.


User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7170 times:

Coulda sworn there were about 9000 US (or) DL/AA threads on here. Not sure why this needs to become yet another one, but...

As for the original topic, a petition is nice, but AA employees better have an idea in mind of who they'd want at the helm instead, if they're to have any chance of this being taken seriously...



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineripcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1149 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7131 times:

I would have to agree AA is going to reset the clock thru BK they wll come out with costs below UA/DL that is a given. But I have no faith that the managment can take the advantge they will be given and turn it into profitiable airline for the long haul. If managment stays as it is with no outsiders brought in AA will find itself back with the same problem 4-5 years down the road. With the unions going to AA with a buyout offer simler to what UA offered in BK and if AA were to go with that plan they would end up hiring new employees right away and no employees would have to be laid off.

User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7109 times:
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Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 3):
AA employees. if they arent careful, are going to find themselves stapled to the BOTTOM of someone else's seniority list.

There is no "stapling" anymore with seniority integration. Because of the McCaskill-Bond amendment, both companies must work in the interest of fair and equitable seniority integration
http://afaonevoice.org/images/McCask...xplanation%20FINAL%20for%20WEB.pdf



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User currently offlinedlphoenix From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6921 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 18):
There is no "stapling" anymore with seniority integration. Because of the McCaskill-Bond amendment, both companies must work in the interest of fair and equitable seniority integration
http://afaonevoice.org/images/McCask...B.pdf

AA figured out a way around this when they acquired TWA. I am sure whoever buys them can do the same.

DLP


User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6899 times:

Quoting dlphoenix (Reply 19):
AA figured out a way around this when they acquired TWA. I am sure whoever buys them can do the same.

DLP

McCaskill-Bond came about as a result of what happened w/ AA/TW...



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlinemichman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6899 times:

Quoting dlphoenix (Reply 19):
AA figured out a way around this when they acquired TWA. I am sure whoever buys them can do the same.

The amendment did not pass until 2008. In fact, the TWA acquisition seemed to be the driving motivation for the amendment.


User currently offlineBobLoblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1594 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6837 times:
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Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 15):
. In AA/US merger all the people in Tempe AZ can kiss their jobs good bye, in AA/DL it would be the people in DFW

No they wont. AA will be the surviving name but it will be run by US mgmt.

Any talk of DL buying or breaking up AA is nonsense. Isnt going to happen.

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 15):
Simply put AA/DL would be a way better company then AA/US.

DL/AA would be a disaster for the public. The USA would be down to two global airlines instead oif three. As for hole in the network in Africa, Asia and Oceania. That doesnt really matter. What matters in Alliances. Qantas covers Oceania, JAL, CX cover Asia and Africa may have profitable routes, but it isnt economically that big a deal, though the Chinese are growing there.

Quoting dlphoenix (Reply 6):
AA employee groups on the other had are trying to convince the BC judge that management is not capable to carry out the restructuring plan they are submitting, guess what, they may end up succeeding. You want to keep AA your AA - stop acting as if you don't.

Excellent quote. Surest way to see AA disappear or broken up is to have the current AA mgmt removed.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17322 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6830 times:

You almost have to admire the years-decades-of willful, blissful ignorance in the face of crystal clear economic reality. AA crew unions are making Greek politicians look like prescient economic wizards. What would a new management team do? Suddenly boost revenues out of thin air in a commodity business?


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7493 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6782 times:

These people may want to be careful what they wish for, because they might get it.

If they do, the unions will be in for a rude awakening. If management is replaced, its not as if a new team is going to come in and give everyone what they want (or even more of what they want). They will be trying to accomplish the same things as the current management only potentially not as well. Then of course the unions will hate the new management and be unhappy yet again.



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25 PIEAvantiP180 : Agree on three points. I was just trying to point out no matter who mergers there will be layoffs, weather that is in DFW, ATL, or PHX. Agree that th
26 ckfred : First of all, during a bankruptcy, it's not the judge's call as to the peeople who make up the senior management team. Normally, the team that is runn
27 xdlx : What if AA was bought by no other than WN?
28 Post contains images ozark1 : First, it's LOSE not LOOSE--- . This company is terminally ill. What would be the purpose of signing a petition getting rid of management? The same b
29 ripcordd : The employees know that the times have changed and that they will be making less than that of DL and UA but what they dont want is the managment to gi
30 XT6Wagon : Not going to happen. WN could do it easy enough if it was just about money. Problem is that AA right now as it sits is worth less than a cup of coffe
31 m404 : Since that's way more signatures than employees I have to ask why are they expecting outsiders to give a darn? It seems pretty laughable.
32 gen2stew : Funny, now there is a youtube flick about just that. It is titled: " Bob Crandall's return to American Airlines". Warning there is some foul language
33 tonytifao : Some stupid AA F/As. SOME need to learn to do their job better or be let go. Some FAs are great! This one purser on my last flight needs to be on thei
34 Post contains images United1 : that's awesome....no worries on the foul language...there was quite a bit of that during Crandall's rein
35 26point2 : Once again glad for my lucky break 20+ years ago at the fork in the career road...took the high road and chose to be a corporate pilot. You people and
36 etops1 : Actually in that FA's defense we do need to know if you want breakfast at the moment we ask you .We simply have no time to wait for you to make up yo
37 sbworcs : I think his point is he was being asked 8 hours before breakfast as he was being asked 1.50 hours into the flight. Surely some flexibilty would be go
38 jetjack74 : Well, that's all fine and dandy, and you make up your mind later, but there might not be a choice, or at least the one you want. We are only provisio
39 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : At least we are seeing the attitude first hand!!! I mean come on, I read his reply in seconds and saw that too..
40 crosswinds21 : Absolutely hilarious. I suppose there's always an excuse for the appalling behaviour of some of these F/As. If what you're saying is true, then the n
41 etops1 : I am sorry ..I did not read his reply correctly ..You are correct if he was asked 8 hrs prior then yes , I would have let him wait and let him know th
42 jetjack74 : True, that would would be the correct manner for the FA to respond, but there should also be a correct way for the customer to explain as to what and
43 LDVAviation : I think I am going to start a petition to replace all the FA's. If their pay demands had not gotten out of sync with reality, AA might not have had to
44 FlyASAGuy2005 : Okay i'm not really on either one's side but AA mgmt had to agree to said pay scales too you know...
45 AAIL86 : So how did UA, DL, US, NW, CO, et al previously emerge from bankruptcy in one piece? AA isn't going anywhere, at least not in the near-to-medium term
46 ripcordd : LDVAviation you do know in 2003 the company came to the FA'S and said this is what we need in a paay cut they fought and exchanged some words but in t
47 caliboy78 : No I don't think that it's the employees nor the managements fault that AA is in BK.... Its the lack of willingness to work together along with the gr
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