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GA Delays Entry Into SkyTeam 1 Year  
User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 535 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 7703 times:

It looks like GA is struggling to redo it's I.T. system, and the airline has announced that it is delaying its entry until Q1 2013. GA really seems like it is trying to reform its former self, so I hope they can get this worked out and join SkyTeam.

Article from CAPA (in English):

http://www.centreforaviation.com/new...be-delayed-until-1q2013-ceo-141422


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User currently offlineEmile From Netherlands, joined Nov 2000, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 7523 times:

is there more news about Skyteam,any new partners, what about Rossiya airlines

User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7320 times:

Quoting Emile (Reply 1):
is there more news about Skyteam,any new partners, what about Rossiya airlines

Other than Kenyan painting a 737, not that I know of. I haven't heard of Rossiya joining, or anyone else for that matter.



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7217 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 2):
Other than Kenyan painting a 737, not that I know of. I haven't heard of Rossiya joining, or anyone else for that matter.

Rossiya is the old Pulkovo and will be merged into Aeroflot. It will be in Skyteam once it's merged with Aeroflot (though this merger should have taken place by now).

This year the following airlines are scheduled to join:
- Saudia (May 2012)
- MEA (June 2012)
- Aerolineas Argentinas (late august 2012.)
- Xiamen Airlines (November 2012)


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7211 times:

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Thread starter):
It looks like GA is struggling to redo it's I.T. system, and the airline has announced that it is delaying its entry until Q1 2013.

The title of the thread is very misleading. Garuda was scheduled to enter Skyteam in December 2012. A delay until Q1 2013 is thus a delay of 3 months, not a year.


User currently offlineTeamInTheSky From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7185 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 4):
The title of the thread is very misleading. Garuda was scheduled to enter Skyteam in December 2012. A delay until Q1 2013 is thus a delay of 3 months, not a year.

Appologies, you are correct. I am surprised that they are announcing so far in advance though.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13262 posts, RR: 100
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6339 times:
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Quoting LJ (Reply 4):
Garuda was scheduled to enter Skyteam in December 2012. A delay until Q1 2013 is thus a delay of 3 months, not a year.

Thank you for that correction.

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 5):
I am surprised that they are announcing so far in advance though.

Better than with other airlines that have so many delays one wonders if they will ever join. It implies a complete redo of certain IT infrastructure that takes months to purchase, months to verify it is set up properly, a month or two transition from the old software to the new... and only then could GA 'turn on' the Skyteam functionality.

A little long timeline... But not too bad.

Quoting LJ (Reply 3):
This year the following airlines are scheduled to join:
- Saudia (May 2012)
- MEA (June 2012)
- Aerolineas Argentinas (late august 2012.)
- Xiamen Airlines (November 2012)

IMHO, with GA, Skyteam is becoming far more competitive. Oh, there are regions they need a 'leg up' (Australia), but they are filling in the gaps nicely.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineSuperCaravelle From Netherlands, joined Jan 2012, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6168 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
IMHO, with GA, Skyteam is becoming far more competitive. Oh, there are regions they need a 'leg up' (Australia), but they are filling in the gaps nicely.

Well... If GA flies to 5 or 6 Australian destinations from their hub, there is no need for an Australian partner anymore (Delta already works together with Virgin Australia as far as I know), they will be able to cater 95% of the travelers.


User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5781 times:

Quoting SuperCaravelle (Reply 7):
If GA flies to 5 or 6 Australian destinations from their hub

Garuda serves just 3 Australian destinations: Sydney and Melbourne from both the Jakarta and Denpasar hubs, as well as Perth, only from Denpasar. A return to Brisbane has been contemplated several times but has so far not materialized.


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5736 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5546 times:

Quoting SuperCaravelle (Reply 7):
Delta already works together with Virgin Australia as far as I know

DL and VA have ATI on TPAC routes to LAX, and open access to each others domestic networks, but VA doesn't have connectivity with the rest of SkyTeam. For example while SkyMiles and Velocity members have FF reciprocity, you couldn't earn FlyingBlue miles on a VA/DJ flight.

Indeed, for the record, QF code-shares with AF and MU and QFFF members earn miles on AZ flights. Therefore, if anything, QF is "closer" to ST in it's entirety than VA!!!!

Quoting SuperCaravelle (Reply 7):
If GA flies to 5 or 6 Australian destinations from their hub, there is no need for an Australian partner anymore
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 8):
Garuda serves just 3 Australian destinations: Sydney and Melbourne from both the Jakarta and Denpasar hubs, as well as Perth, only from Denpasar

Let's not forget that KE (SYD and BNE), MU (SYD and MEL) and CZ (SYD, MEL, BNE and PER) also serve Australia, so ST already has a presence on the Kangaroo Route. The only problem is that with KE it is necessary to over-night in ICN (albeit at KE's expense) and most people avoid CZ and MU unless the price is overwhelmingly compelling. Therefore ST is still much less attractive than OW (QF, BA, CX) and *A (SQ, TG etc) on this route.



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User currently offlineSexyAdonis From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4077 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):
The only problem is that with KE it is necessary to over-night in ICN (albeit at KE's expense)

I would not call it a "problem". On the contrary, its a big selling point for KE. Most customers traveling between Australia and different ports in Europe go out of their way to secure the complimentary Stop Over offered by KE and for those few customers that are in a "hurry" to reach the UK, as 28 April 2012, KE will offer same day connection service from Australia (SYD/BNE/MEL) to London-Gatwick, thus becoming the second airline (other than EK) that offers same day arrival in the UK.

Quoting LJ (Reply 4):
The title of the thread is very misleading. Garuda was scheduled to enter Skyteam in December 2012. A delay until Q1 2013 is thus a delay of 3 months, not a year.

Indeed it is! I remember posting this news a few months ago, but some frustrated "moderator" took the threat down because it had no reference. Moderators keep forgetting that we occupying management position have access to information before they become official news.

With Aerolineas Argentinas ( August 2012) and Garuda Indonesia (2013) joining, SkyTeam will consolidated its presence in the Australian market with a total of 8 carriers serving Australian ports and linking the country with Europe, Asia, North and South America.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):
most people avoid CZ and MU unless the price is overwhelmingly compelling

Not entirely true, both CZ and MU are making a lot of improvements in their products and also have the really low fares to match them. Watch CZ growth in Australia in the next 5 years and you will also see a lot of improvements (including more constancy) in their product.

Sexy Adonis
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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5736 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Quoting SexyAdonis (Reply 10):
Most customers traveling between Australia and different ports in Europe go out of their way to secure the complimentary Stop Over offered by KE

Going OT, but really?

How come the 6 biggest airlines between Australia and the UK are EK, QF, SQ, CX, BA and EY? Unless one has a desire to visit Singapore or Abu Dhabi most people (including leisure passengers) fly straight through.

I know it's different from the European end where the psychological distance to Australia means a lot more people stopover...

However, I'd forgotten the new LGW service, good point.

Quoting SexyAdonis (Reply 10):
CZ and MU are making a lot of improvements in their products

I don't doubt you, but they're not there yet. I have a large number of friends who live in Guangzhou and therefore fly CZ out of convenience: their message is don't unless necessary. Similarly I know someone who recently flew to Europe on MU and said next time they'd pay the $200 extra to go EK.



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