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SWA/FL Extend Fall 2012 Schedule  
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Posted (2 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 6852 times:

http://www.blogsouthwest.com/blog/sh...-available-sale-through-nov-2-2012

WN Adds--
ATL-SFO
ATL-MCO

Looks like Minor Changes here and there...

Dropped/Seasonal
LAS-CLE
LAS-ORF

Air Tran-
DSM-MKE moves to MDW

SEA/LAX/SFO/PHX should become all SWA station by November

SWA--DTW-LAS returns, been missing since 2006

Alex


Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
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User currently offlinepackcheer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 6774 times:

At what point will customers be able to have one ticket for both airlines?

The move for DSM from MKE to MDW will help me out tremendously! It would be great if I could do FL DSM-MDW and then WN MDW-RDU instead of having to use FL straight through (DSM-MDW-ATL-RDU)



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 6774 times:

From the article

Seasonal eliminations are between Seattle/Tacoma and both Atlanta and Nashville

As for BNA, well, okay, basically long and thin for a winter route, but ATL? I guess WN sees no use in competing with DL and AS here?


User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 887 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 6757 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):
Air Tran-
DSM-MKE moves to MDW

Best news I've heard all day. An expected change, but should be much more successful than DSM-MKE (especially once they start allowing codesharing between WN and FL.) Which, speaking of, when will they start to allow codesharing?

It appears DSM-MDW will be twice a day on 717s

DSM-MDW
Flt 281 leaves DSM 8:25a arrives MDW 9:35a
Flt 282 leaves DSM 1:55p arrives MDW 3:05p

MDW-DSM
Flt 702 leaves MDW 12:05p arrives DSM 1:13p
Flt 407 leaves MDW 8:00p arrives DSM 9:08p

[Edited 2012-02-20 08:55:21]

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5432 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 6637 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 2):
As for BNA, well, okay, basically long and thin for a winter route, but ATL? I guess WN sees no use in competing with DL and AS here?

I'm not sure but wasn't FL's service in the SEA-ATL market seasonal? If so, this cut is just the continuation of that "arrangement".

I assume there is no summary of the changes on this schedule offered by WN/FL? I don't see a link to one anywhere.

bb


User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2912 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 6289 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
Quoting point2point (Reply 2):
As for BNA, well, okay, basically long and thin for a winter route, but ATL? I guess WN sees no use in competing with DL and AS here?

I'm not sure but wasn't FL's service in the SEA-ATL market seasonal? If so, this cut is just the continuation of that "arrangement".

Yes...I believe ATL-SEA has always been seasonal for AirTran, as was the Seattle station itself, until a few winters ago when they decided to keep a single daily ATL-MKE-SEA over winter. The local traffic on ATL-SEA and MKE-SEA, plus connections at both hubs, has kept that single dialy flight going. This coming fall the MKE-SEA flight will not be a "thru" flight from Atlanta, but of course they can fly 1-stop ATL-SEA through other hubs if they so choose.

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 3):
Best news I've heard all day. An expected change, but should be much more successful than DSM-MKE (especially once they start allowing codesharing between WN and FL.) Which, speaking of, when will they start to allow codesharing?

That's a question everyone is wondering. When Southwest's entry into Atlanta was announced six months ago, the fact that Southwest metal would replace some AirTran metal was assumed not to be an issue because there would probably be code-sharing in place by that point. Well, that six months has passed and so far there's no word on when there will be code sharing between Southwest and AirTran.

The longer it takes for it to be rolled out, the more of a negative impact it will have on the AirTran operation as Southwest continues to take over AirTran flights at their connecting hubs. They don't need any more headwind on the AirTran network, as it doesn't exactly pump profits these days. The Southwest 10k released about a week ago attributes a $23m net loss to the AirTran system in 2011.

Quote:
For the year ended December 31, 2011, total operating revenues of $2.0 billion and a net loss of $23 million, respectively, are attributable to AirTran and are included in the Company’s Consolidated Statement of Income.
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/da...000119312512049647/d293991d10k.htm

Now we don't have the normal "asterisk-items" we would have gotten if AirTran had done a stand-alone financial report and press release. So we don't know how any non-cash, non-operational, or one-time items affected that $23m loss positively or negatively. But the existing AirTran network does not seem to be a profit center for Southwest, and the broken connectivity that their current strategy is creating will worsen the financials of the AirTran system. Code sharing will help to ease that

[Edited 2012-02-20 10:52:20]

User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2865 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 6161 times:

Interesting stuff - nice to see the merger process progressing along.

We are finally starting to get a good sense of how WN intends to fully absorb FL.

Step 1: Terminate outsourced (OO) flying, so as to satisfy employee contracts. Complete.

Step 2: Withdraw from DFW, so as to satisfy Wright Amendment rules. Complete.

Step 3: Withdraw from small FL markets that do not fit the WN business model. Fully announced, to be completed by August.

Step 4: Replace FL metal with WN metal on mid-con and transcon routes from ATL, MKE, and BWI. This will eliminate the FL brand in Western markets, with the notable exception of international flying and domestic flights that provide crews and aircraft for those services. This leaves FL just doing regional stuff East of the Mississippi, including plenty of p2p to Florida as WN assumes more and more routes from the hubs at MKE and ATL. Many such moves have already been announced, and those that remain could probably be done by early 2013.

Step 5: Introduce new international routes from WN hubs and focus cities. We've already seen some interesting stuff from SAN and SNA, and now the likes of AUS, DEN, and maybe MDW - if they get the authority. This process will continue on for years, BUT they can only use FL birds and crews for these flights for now.

Step 6: Introduce new services from FL-only markets to key WN hubs - on FL metal. So far we have just seen a few such moves, such as DEN-CAK/DAY and MDW-CAK/DSM. I wonder if we'll see them do much more, or just wait to add new flights when the stations themselves go from FL to WN.

Step 7: Transition FL domestic markets to the WN brand. We know what these are, but we don't know when it will happen.

Step 8: Transition FL's international network to the WN brand. Who knows when this could occur - it is the last stage of the process!



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User currently offlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 6123 times:

JAN-MCO comes back too...


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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 5929 times:

I still think they should add CLT-MDW

User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 5884 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 3):
Best news I've heard all day. An expected change, but should be much more successful than DSM-MKE (especially once they start allowing codesharing between WN and FL.) Which, speaking of, when will they start to allow codesharing?

It appears DSM-MDW will be twice a day on 717s

DSM-MDW
Flt 281 leaves DSM 8:25a arrives MDW 9:35a
Flt 282 leaves DSM 1:55p arrives MDW 3:05p

MDW-DSM
Flt 702 leaves MDW 12:05p arrives DSM 1:13p
Flt 407 leaves MDW 8:00p arrives DSM 9:08p

I would hope this helps. The loads DSM-MKE are probably among the worst of any airline in the US! 22.8% in September and 27.7% in October. That's about 30/117 people per flight! There is no way those are making any money, even if it was on a CRJ.


User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 887 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 5785 times:

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 9):
I would hope this helps. The loads DSM-MKE are probably among the worst of any airline in the US! 22.8% in September and 27.7% in October. That's about 30/117 people per flight! There is no way those are making any money, even if it was on a CRJ.

I'm not sure what the DSM-Chicago O&D market is like, but as of now there won't be any connecting opportunities until codesharing is in place. At least on the DSM-MKE flight there are some connection possibilities. The loads might not be much better than MKE as they'll already have competition with UA and AA's many flights to ORD each day, not to mention the large customer base for both airlines in DSM.


User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 10):
I'm not sure what the DSM-Chicago O&D market is like, but as of now there won't be any connecting opportunities until codesharing is in place. At least on the DSM-MKE flight there are some connection possibilities. The loads might not be much better than MKE as they'll already have competition with UA and AA's many flights to ORD each day, not to mention the large customer base for both airlines in DSM.

That's true, I forgot that they don't have the codeshare in place yet. I wonder if they will be able to connect people to their other ATL/MCO/RSW/BKG flights, and maybe onwards. Although double connecting is kind of ridiculous when DL (and UA, AA) will be more than happy to provide those flights with one connection. That's probably why the loads have been so crappy.

Even though Chicago is slightly closer to DSM than MKE, I would think they would have more O & D. Also, having FL competing in that market will probably bring down airfares and create some additional traffic. I know right now UA & AA charge an insane amount of money for MLI-ORD flights, I'd assume DSM-ORD is probably similar.


User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1911 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 5662 times:

Who's handling FL in DSM? It was SkyWest people back when they were CRJs to MKE and a couple times weekly service to MCO on the 737s. Are OO people still running DSM? When will FL or WN hire their own if it is?

User currently offlinedtwpilot225 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 5290 times:
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Thank you SWA for DTW-LAS - Spirit has been invading everyone else, this time SWA invades Spirits base. It should be interesting to see if they even try to protect it, it seems they dont care about it anymore.

User currently onlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3042 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 5072 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):
Air Tran-
DSM-MKE moves to MDW

Nice!!!    I wonder when will we get those DCA slots transfered to MDW.   

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 3):
It appears DSM-MDW will be twice a day on 717s

DSM-MDW
Flt 281 leaves DSM 8:25a arrives MDW 9:35a
Flt 282 leaves DSM 1:55p arrives MDW 3:05p

MDW-DSM
Flt 702 leaves MDW 12:05p arrives DSM 1:13p
Flt 407 leaves MDW 8:00p arrives DSM 9:08p

Looks like the flights from MDW to DSM start September 30 from what is bookable on the FL website.

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 8):
I still think they should add CLT-MDW

Same here.    Hope WN can make the route work. US, TZ and FL all tried it and didn't work for them.


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 14):

The only difference here is that there is more destination to connect to.

They would probably have 2 flights


User currently onlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months ago) and read 3464 times:

Quoting dtwpilot225 (Reply 13):

When was the last time WN flew this route? Seems like it has been 3-4 years. I also think with this addition it might open up some more connections to the west coast to supplement the DTW-PHX flight



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User currently offlinedtwpilot225 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months ago) and read 3405 times:
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Yes it was 3-4 years ago. There are still I think 3-4 gates open at the north terminal at DTW. They should expand if MDW is tapped out. I expect Jet Blue to take one of those gates eventually. I heard a rumor that they were going to start BOS DTW this summer.

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months ago) and read 3350 times:

Quoting dtwpilot225 (Reply 17):
Yes it was 3-4 years ago.
Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 16):

When was the last time WN flew this route? Seems like it has been 3-4 years.

Also mentioned above in my post... 
Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):

SWA--DTW-LAS returns, been missing since 2006

It's been Six Years since SWA has flown DTW-LAS, def not 3-4 years ago.

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlinegizmonc From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months ago) and read 3281 times:

I am curious as to when the codeshare starts. The pilots and fa have both solved the seniority intergration so what is holding up the process.

User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 887 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3094 times:

Quoting gizmonc (Reply 19):
I am curious as to when the codeshare starts. The pilots and fa have both solved the seniority intergration so what is holding up the process.

Could it be Southwest's stoneage computer reservation system? I believe this is part of the reason why AirTran will continue operating the international flights for the foreseeable future. I'm curious why Southwest doesn't switch over to Airtran's computer system.


User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9367 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3094 times:

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 11):
Even though Chicago is slightly closer to DSM than MKE, I would think they would have more O & D. Also, having FL competing in that market will probably bring down airfares and create some additional traffic. I know right now UA & AA charge an insane amount of money for MLI-ORD flights, I'd assume DSM-ORD is probably similar.

people in Des Moines typically just drive to Chicago.
it's 4 to 4 1/2 hours, if that.



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User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 887 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 21):
people in Des Moines typically just drive to Chicago.
it's 4 to 4 1/2 hours, if that.

Try 5 1/2 - 6 depending on where in Des Moines you're coming from and where in Chicago you're going to. With the rising gas prices, and 15ish flights a day each way between the two cities once Southwest enters the market, I'd take the flight in a heartbeat.


User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9367 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 22):
Try 5 1/2 - 6 depending on where in Des Moines you're coming from and where in Chicago you're going to. With the rising gas prices, and 15ish flights a day each way between the two cities once Southwest enters the market, I'd take the flight in a heartbeat

It never took me 5 1/2 to get there.

You'd fly in a heartbeat, because you like to fly. Hence why you're here. Most people in Des Moines have this stigma that if you're going to fly through Chicago, you'll be delayed from weather. It could be 100 degrees clear sunny skies on July 3rd and yet if you're getting on a plane and headed for Chicago, you'll be delayed.

Plus they'd rather have the luxury of coming and going as they please, not having to be limited to 2 flights a day. Plus Iowans and the CTA aren't a good mix.

And when it comes to loading up the wife and the kids and headed off to Chicago for the weekend on vacation, they'll still drive rather than buy 4+ airfares.



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User currently offlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

It's probably become a cliche but I can't wait to find out what WN will or will not do with MEM. Sorry, can't help it, MEM is one of my hometown airports.


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25 ScottB : One could also say that about Houston-Dallas, which is well under four hours -- but over 3,000 people fly between the two cities daily. Or Austin-Dal
26 CIDFlyer : it would definitely not be under 4 hours. Its about 3 hours to Aurora which is the furthest western suburbs from Cedar Rapids/Iowa City. Take in acco
27 MLI717fan : I grew up in Moline, went to college in DeKalb, and had an internship in Des Moines. I'm very familiar with the drive to Chicago. CIDFlyer is right.
28 planespotting : It's roughly 330 miles, so at 73 mph, without stops, it's slightly over 4 and a half hours into the city. But, that's assuming no delays once you get
29 stlgph : Unless there's a certain change in the yuppie lifestyle, I just don't see people going away from their cars. When I lived in Des Moines we had reason
30 planespotting : Doesn't mean everyone wants to speed on it - I hate that road. I have to drive it enough in the state of Iowa. I'd much rather drive 70 mph on I-88 a
31 delta2ual : Well I for one am very happy to see WN return to DTW-LAS. I have a lot of family in the Detroit area who frequently travel to LAS. I'm sure we will se
32 TSS : Is Airtran's computer/reservation system fully proprietary or is it a version of a more widely available system used by other airlines as well?
33 FL787 : FL uses Navitaire's New Skies system.
34 SANFan : I thought I'd mention that upon looking at the newly released sked's (essentially the month of October 2012) I was surprised to see that WN is offerin
35 CIDFlyer : Amen, for something new I decided to take 80 last summer into Chicago, never again, I enjoy the drive on 88 much more, less traffic to deal with. 80
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