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Great Lakes Loads More MSP Flights (update)  
User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1572 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

Great Lakes has loaded more flights to it's growing MSP hub! Starting March 11th with more cities loaded through the beginning of April!

Starting March 11th, MSP-IWD starts with one RT a day on the Beech 1900!

ZK-7195 MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA-IRONWOOD, MICHIGAN 03:15 PM 04:15 PM
ZK-7194 IRONWOOD, MICHIGAN-MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA 09:45 AM 10:45 AM


Starting March 17th, ZK will fly from MSP-ISN (Williston, ND) twice a day! One flight is non-stop, while the evening flight will connect through Jamestown, ND! All of the ISN flights will be operated with EMB-120s.

ZK-7146 MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA-WILLISTON, NORTH DAKOTA 02:57 PM 05:07PM
ZK-7147 MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA-WILLISTON, NORTH DAKOTA 07:50 PM 10:32 PM (1 stop)
ZK-7141 WILLISTON, NORTH DAKOTA-MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA 06:00 AM 08:30 AM (1 stop)
ZK-7142 WILLISTON, NORTH DAKOTA-MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA 02:10 PM 04:10 PM

March 17th is also the start date for MSP-JMS
ZK-7244 MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA-JAMESTOWN, NORTH DAKOTA 11:30 AM 12:52 PM    
ZK-7147 MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA-JAMESTOWN, NORTH DAKOTA 07:50 PM 09:12 PM
ZK-7141 JAMESTOWN, NORTH DAKOTA-MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA 07:15 AM 08:30 AM
ZK-7244 JAMESTOWN, NORTH DAKOTA MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA 01:17 PM 02:32 PM

And new to the list and previously unmentioned in the addition of MSP-HON starting April 2nd, again with a Beech 1900!

ZK-7321 MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA-HURON, SOUTH DAKOTA 02:45 PM 04:04 PM
ZK-7316 HURON, SOUTH DAKOTA-MINNEAPOLIS/ST. PAUL, MINNESOTA 01:06 PM 02:16 PM




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User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2999 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

Interesting to see Willison-Minneaplis...that's a first! I would hae sworn Williston was on Mountain time, at least at one time. But not now, if ever.

I wonder if Delta is okay with them using resources for ISN and IWD, neither of which is a Delta Connection market which DL is eager do leave? It is nice to see them jumping into IWD as it will lose all air service in early March no matter if the replacement carrier starts or not. DL* is stuck in the other EAS markets until ZK starts.

Speaking of IWD, it will actually start 2x/day according to the website.

MSP-IWD
0830-0930
1515-1615

IWD-MSP
0945-1045
1630-1730


User currently offlineMountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5154 times:

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 1):
Interesting to see Willison-Minneaplis...that's a first! I would hae sworn Williston was on Mountain time, at least at one time. But not now, if ever.

Williston (ISN) is in central time by only twenty miles. They are currently ground zero for the largest oil boom in the US since Prudhoe Bay in the 70's. Just three years ago, Williston was a sleepy little farm town of about 13,000 people, with EAS service through ZK to DEN just a couple flights a day, usually sharing a route with either Dickinson, ND or somewhere in Wyoming. Now with their population explosion (the population has nearly doubled in just about three years), they are due to get five non-stops a day to DEN alone. I was often wondering why they didn't have an MSP flight since MSP is closer, and the local population seems(ed) to have a lot more economic and social connections to Minnesota than to Denver. I suppose since ZK moved into MSP last fall to take over some of the other former XJ Saab routes, they decided to take advantage and add another flight to ISN.

I would not be surprised if either DL or UA ups the ante and adds a CR2 flight to ISN via OO in the next year or so. The oil boom is only getting worse, and there are thousands of workers now in Williston making really good money, and many left their families back home in other parts of the country.

[Edited 2012-02-20 19:25:29]


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User currently offlineacidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5058 times:
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I'm originally from MSP and now live in FSD. My employer has its state headquarters in HON. HON is a neat little town and I've always had a great time going up there! I once drove from MSP to HON and it was like 6 hrs of 2-lane highways. While FSD is the next "major" city MSP is the nearest metropolitan area. It will be great for the people of HON to have an easy straight shot to MSP. HON is a neat little airport. And they have a great restaurant there too (Ryan's Hangar Grill).

I was wondering "What can this airport handle?"
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Not bad for a little regional airport!



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User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5021 times:
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MCW should be transitioning from XJ to Great Lakes sometime this Spring as well. ALO will be lost to Eagle who will be flying to ORD (with all things considered they are probably happy).

User currently offlinewingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4913 times:

INL starts on or around April 1st. What about RHI, HIB, TVF, or FOD?

Wingnut



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2264 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

Quoting cbphoto (Thread starter):
And new to the list and previously unmentioned in the addition of MSP-HON starting April 2nd, again with a Beech 1900!

Will this flight continue on to PIR and DEN from HON?

Quoting acidradio (Reply 3):
HON is a neat little airport. And they have a great restaurant there too (Ryan's Hangar Grill).

Thanks for the tip! I'm looking forward to logging HON now that ZK flies there - I will try to eat at the Hangar Grill while I'm there.

For several years in the 1940s, HON was the eastern terminus of Inland Air Lines' milk run from DEN through South Dakota. Around the time Inland merged with Western, the route was extended eastward to MSP. WA served HON for a few years in the 1950s, before the CAB transferred HON to NC.

HON is also known as the birthplace of one Cheryl Jean Stoppelmoor, who became a famous actress in the 1970s after she changed her name to Cheryl Ladd.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7768 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4568 times:

What are the plans to get DL codeshare / interline on any of the ZK flights out of MSP?

User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4536 times:

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 1):
I wonder if Delta is okay with them using resources for ISN and IWD, neither of which is a Delta Connection market which DL is eager do leave? It is nice to see them jumping into IWD as it will lose all air service in early March no matter if the replacement carrier starts or not. DL* is stuck in the other EAS markets until ZK starts.

Speaking of IWD, it will actually start 2x/day according to the website.

DL did not bid on Ironwood with the latest round of EAS bids, so I don't see why DL would take up issue with ZK bidding on the route. ZK is the only bid for IWD aside from Air Choice One, so they should be fine.



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User currently offlineMountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4526 times:

Quoting JBo (Reply 8):

DL did not bid on Ironwood with the latest round of EAS bids, so I don't see why DL would take up issue with ZK bidding on the route. ZK is the only bid for IWD aside from Air Choice One, so they should be fine.

I think what he meant was that ZK is using resources out of MSP for other routes (ISN and IWD) while DL is still stuck serving communities it wants out of (TVF, FOD, etc.) while waiting for ZK to take them over.



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User currently offlinec152driver From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4444 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 7):
What are the plans to get DL codeshare / interline on any of the ZK flights out of MSP?

Good question. I thought a ZK/DL codeshare was part of the deal. I was surprised not to be able to book DEN-DVL on Delta's website recently. That has to really hurt bookings.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

Any updates on what's happening at BRD? The schedules still show DL CRJ service but I can't imagine that will continue for long.


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User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1572 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

Quoting wingnutmn (Reply 5):
INL starts on or around April 1st. What about RHI, HIB, TVF, or FOD?

The rest of the cities will be slowly added as spring comes along. ZK is doing some major scheduling overhauls in the rest of the system to accommodate the MSP hub. Latest news is that ABQ will close, and their are strong rumors that LAS will also close this summer. These closures will free up more aircraft that can join the MSP hub, and start more of the routes!

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 6):
Will this flight continue on to PIR and DEN from HON?

I believe this flight is just MSP-HON-MSP for now with PIR getting the MSP and DEN flight. However, with HON receiving both MSP and DEN flights, that could change, to allow more aircraft to be rotated through the MSP system!



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User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

Okay, I apologize for not keeping up with all the EAS changes lately, but can someone summarize what MSP-based routes DL is cutting and what MSP-based routes ZK is starting?


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User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

Quoting c152driver (Reply 10):
Good question. I thought a ZK/DL codeshare was part of the deal. I was surprised not to be able to book DEN-DVL on Delta's website recently. That has to really hurt bookings.

You better off booking to GFK and then renting a car anyway IMO.



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User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

Quoting c152driver (Reply 10):
Good question. I thought a ZK/DL codeshare was part of the deal. I was surprised not to be able to book DEN-DVL on Delta's website recently. That has to really hurt bookings.



the options come up on Expedia, but as an interline connection...not bad fares either..i looked at march 21st!


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 2021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Quoting iowaman (Reply 4):
MCW should be transitioning from XJ to Great Lakes sometime this Spring as well.

Any idea whether or not that will be before about April 3rd? I'd like to fly the 9E CRJ, and there hasn't been any news lately of when ZK will take over.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 7):
What are the plans to get DL codeshare / interline on any of the ZK flights out of MSP?

Last I heard that should be worked out this spring.


User currently offlineCarmelo From Hungary, joined Sep 2005, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

Does someone have a website for this airline? Im couple of days in may in Minneapolis and woul love to try the B1900D


Carmelo
User currently offlineWESTERN737800 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4130 times:

Quoting Carmelo (Reply 17):
Does someone have a website for this airline? Im couple of days in may in Minneapolis and woul love to try the B1900D

greatlakesav.com



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User currently offlineHAJflyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 12):
Latest news is that ABQ will close,

Does this mean that Clovis and Silver City will lose their air service or will ZK serve them out of PHX or DEN ?

Quoting cbphoto (Reply 12):
and their are strong rumors that LAS will also close this summer

That would be a pitty considering how long it took them to finally aquire a gate there, but Ely, Merced (also served out of LAX via VIS) and Page (also served out of DEN via FMN) do not justify the maintenance of a hub in sin city.

I am glad that I used the opportunity to fly LAS-ELY-LAS last October (2 pax outbound and 4 inbound); it was better value than any Grand Canyon sight seeing flight out of LAS and just as much fun.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2264 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4058 times:

Quoting HAJflyer (Reply 19):
I am glad that I used the opportunity to fly LAS-ELY-LAS last October (2 pax outbound and 4 inbound); it was better value than any Grand Canyon sight seeing flight out of LAS and just as much fun.

The "coach flyer" section of the current (March) issue of Airways describes a LAS-PGA-CNY-DEN flight, which seems like it is also a better value than a Grand Canyon sightseeing flight.

If you are interested in Great Lakes, I would definitely recommend getting the magazine. It will only be on news stands for a few more days, though.



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User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1572 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

Quoting Carmelo (Reply 17):
Does someone have a website for this airline? Im couple of days in may in Minneapolis and woul love to try the B1900D
Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 18):
greatlakesav.com

That link should re-direct you, but the current website is www.flygreatlakes.com

Quoting HAJflyer (Reply 19):

Does this mean that Clovis and Silver City will lose their air service or will ZK serve them out of PHX or DEN ?

From what I understand, Clovis was given the option to connect with DEN via Santa Fe, NM (which would have been a new city) and Silver City would have connected through PHX. Apparently Clovis said no thanks, and I believe both of the cities will go up for EAS bidding sometime soon. I would guess Air New Mexico would possibly bid these cities!



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User currently offlinebomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 1):
MSP-IWD
0830-0930
1515-1615

IWD-MSP
0945-1045
1630-1730

Seems like they can do this with the aircraft they're using for the DVL run. That schedule is:

DVL-MSP
0630-0805
1325-1500

MSP-DVL
1130-1305
1955-2130

So judging by this they'll do DVL-MSP-IWD-MSP-DVL-MSP-IWD-MSP-DVL. Good utilization for one aircraft.

Peace   



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User currently offlinecbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1572 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

Quoting bomber996 (Reply 22):
So judging by this they'll do DVL-MSP-IWD-MSP-DVL-MSP-IWD-MSP-DVL. Good utilization for one aircraft.

Agreed, until it goes tech! Then it's a nightmare   

I would expect high utilization out of most of the beeches that rotate through MSP! Gate space will become a limiting factor as to how many aircraft can be on the ground at once!



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User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2999 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 9):
Quoting JBo (Reply 8):
DL did not bid on Ironwood with the latest round of EAS bids, so I don't see why DL would take up issue with ZK bidding on the route. ZK is the only bid for IWD aside from Air Choice One, so they should be fine.
I think what he meant was that ZK is using resources out of MSP for other routes (ISN and IWD) while DL is still stuck serving communities it wants out of (TVF, FOD, etc.) while waiting for ZK to take them over.

Yup, that's what I meant. Delta is cooperating with Great Lakes in an effort to get out of their EAS-obligated cities ASAP. The planes they are using to fly to Williston and Ironwood could instead be used to get Delta Connection out of Mason City and Iron Mountain sooner, for example.

Quoting Web (Reply 13):
Okay, I apologize for not keeping up with all the EAS changes lately, but can someone summarize what MSP-based routes DL is cutting and what MSP-based routes ZK is starting?

Off the top of my head...hopefully I don't forget any

MSP markets DL* wants out of and ZK has been awarded
INL
HIB
BRD
JMS
DVL
ATY
FOD
MCW
TVF
IMT

MSP markets awarded to ZK which were served by F9* to MKE
RHI
IWD

MSP markets DL* wanted to keep as CRJ (with new EAS subsidy) and won
BJI
ABR

MSP markets DL* wanted to keep as CRJ (with new EAS subsidy) but AA* won them instead
ALO
SUX


25 HAJflyer : Thanks for that interesting information. It would have interesting to see how ZK would have done in SAF and how that would have affected the AE load
26 burnsie28 : Sad to see this, surprised SUX is a EAS city, a long time ago NW had some DC-9's show up at SUX.
27 fghtngsiouxatc : Any word on if ZK is going to end up using the A & B gates at MSP when they get the full codeshare going? With the Saabs gone, I'm sure there's pl
28 cbphoto : I don't think so! From what I understand, we will be on the E gates for the foreseeable future! Right now we have gates E-13/15. I think once United
29 HAJflyer : Wow, that is quite impressive. Which ZK city pair gets the best loads today on an annual basis? My guest would be DEN-ISN due to the Bakken oil boom.
30 cbphoto : Consistently, I would say both ISN and DIK are the money makers! I know GCC, SHR and even LAR have good loads through out the year! Also FMN has appa
31 TWA902fly : Actually... the flight will be MSP-HON-MCK-DEN and DEN-MCK-HON-MSP MCK being McCook, Nebraska. '902
32 PSU.DTW.SCE : Do you know the status of the DTW routes? I have heard little/nothing about PLN, ESC, and CIU which DL intends to keep. I know that there has been di
33 Post contains images WA707atMSP : I checked ZK's web site for May, and the MSP-HON flight continues to PIR. Hopefully, ZK will change the flight to MSP-HON-MCK. That way, I'll be able
34 knope2001 : Every month there's another order for all these communities requiring DL* to continue service -- a new one was just issued yesterday for another 30 d
35 PSU.DTW.SCE : Interesting, thanks for the update on the MI cities. APN is in a tough spot, agreed. It is too bad they can't go back to getting a tag-on service to C
36 knope2001 : We've got clients up therei n APN and when it *did* work out to fly it was great. Often we ended up flying into Flint or Detroit and driving, and it'
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