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OAG Changes 2/24/2012: AA/CO/DL/FL/F9/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7673 posts, RR: 15
Posted (2 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 13978 times:

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WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

5H LWA-NYK MAR 0.7>0 APR 0.3>0 MAY 0.3>0 JUN 0.3>0 JUL 0.3>0 AUG 0.3>0 SEP 0.3>0 OCT 0.3>0

AA DFW-BZE APR 1.0>1.1 MAY 1.0>1.1
AA DFW-GRK APR 9>10 MAY 9>10
AA DFW-SAF APR 2>3 MAY 2>3
AA DFW-SAL APR 0.7>0.6 MAY 0.7>0.5
AA DFW-SJD MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
AA JFK-DCA JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
AA JFK-YYZ JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
AA MIA-FPO JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
AA MIA-GGT APR 1.3>1.1 MAY 1.3>1.0 JUN 1.3>1.2
AA MIA-MAO JUN 0.3>0.6 JUL 0.6>1.0 AUG 0.5>1.0 SEP 0.6>1.0 OCT 0.5>1.0
AA ORD-BNA APR 10>8 MAY 10>8
AA SJU-DOM APR 1.4>1.0 MAY 1.3>1.0

AC ABE-YYZ APR 1.6>1.4
AC ALB-YYZ APR 1.7>1.6
AC CVG-YYZ APR 1.7>1.4
AC DCA-YOW APR 2>1.9
AC DCA-YYZ APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
AC FLL-YUL APR 4>3
AC GRR-YYZ APR 1.7>1.6
AC LAX-YUL APR 1.9>1.5
AC LAX-YYZ JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6
AC MDT-YYZ APR 1.9>1.7
AC MKE-YYZ APR 1.7>1.5
AC PDX-YYZ APR 1.0>0.7
AC SFO-YYZ OCT 4>5

AF MIA-PAP JUL 0.7>1.0 AUG 0.7>1.0

AM FAT-GDL APR 0.7>0.5
AM LAS-MTY APR 0.6>0.4
AM LAX-GDL APR 3>2
AM MCO-MEX JUN 1.5>1.8 JUL 1.4>3 AUG 1.4>1.8
AM MIA-MEX APR 4>5
AM ORD-CUN MAR 0.6>0.2
AM ORD-MEX APR 1.9>1.7

AS ANC-HNL AUG 1.0>0.9 SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 1.0>0.4
AS BLI-HNL SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 1.0>0.6
AS HNL-ANC AUG 1.0>0.9 SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 1.0>0.4
AS SEA-JNU SEP 5>4
AS SEA-SIT SEP 0.1>0.3

*AV JFK-MDE JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>0.5
AV MIA-BOG MAR 2>3

Note that changes in SEP/OCT are blurred by partial month schedules in SEP last week and partial month schedules in OCT this week.
*B6 BOS-ACK JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0
B6 BOS-AUA JUL 0.7>1.0 AUG 0.7>0.9 SEP 0.1>0.7 OCT 0>0.7
B6 BOS-CUN JUL 0.3>0.1 AUG 0.3>0.1 SEP 0.0>0.2 OCT 0>0.1
*B6 BOS-DCA JUN 7>9 JUL 7>10 AUG 7>10 SEP 0.9>10 OCT 0>9
*B6 BOS-IAD JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 0.5>3 OCT 0>3
B6 BOS-PUJ JUL 0.3>0.4 AUG 0.3>0.4 SEP 0.0>0.2 OCT 0>0.1
*B6 DCA-TPA JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
*B6 FLL-DCA JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3 AUG 1.0>3 SEP 0.1>3 OCT 0>3
*B6 FLL-IAD JUN 1.7>0.6 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0
B6 FLL-LGA JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 0.7>6 OCT 0>6
B6 JFK-CLT JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 0.4>3 OCT 0>3
B6 JFK-FLL JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7 AUG 8>7 SEP 1.1>7 OCT 0>6
B6 JFK-MBJ MAY 1.4>1.2 SEP 0.3>1.1 OCT 0>0.9
B6 JFK-RDU JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 0.4>3 OCT 0>3
B6 JFK-STI JUN 6>7 SEP 0.9>5 OCT 0>4
B6 JFK-UVF MAY 0.7>0.5 JUL 0.7>1.0 AUG 0.7>1.0 SEP 0.1>0.5 OCT 0>0.4
*B6 LGA-PBI JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 0.1>2 OCT 0>1.7
*B6 LGA-RSW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
*B6 LGA-SRQ JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
*B6 LGA-TPA JUN 0>1.3 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>1.7
*B6 LGB-IAD JUN 2>1.3 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 0.3>1.0 OCT 0>0.9
B6 LGB-OAK MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 0.4>3 OCT 0>3
*B6 MCO-DCA JUN 1.0>3 JUL 1.0>3 AUG 1.0>3 SEP 0.1>3 OCT 0>3
*B6 MCO-IAD JUN 2>0.7 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0
B6 MCO-JFK JUL 11>10 AUG 11>10 SEP 1.4>9 OCT 0>8
B6 MCO-LGA JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 0.4>4 OCT 0>4

CO CLE-ATL JUN 4>3 JUL 5>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>1.9 OCT 4>3
CO CLE-CLT JUL 4>3
CO CLE-CMH JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
CO CLE-PIT JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
CO CLE-STL JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
CO DEN-HNL JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
CO EWR-BTV JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
CO EWR-EDI JUL 2>1.8 AUG 2>1.9 OCT 1.5>1.0
CO EWR-GRR JUN 1.8>3 JUL 1.7>3 AUG 1.7>3
CO EWR-IND JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
CO EWR-MDT JUL 3>2
CO EWR-SAV JUN 4>3 JUL 3>2
CO EWR-SNN JUL 1.7>1.2 AUG 1.6>1.1
CO EWR-XNA JUL 1.6>0.7 AUG 1.6>0.9
CO EYW-FLL MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
CO EYW-TPA MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6 OCT 5>6
CO FLL-ASD JUN 0.2>0 JUL 0.1>0 AUG 0.1>0 SEP 0.2>0 OCT 0.1>0
CO FLL-ELH APR 1.3>1.8 MAY 1.3>3 JUN 1.3>3 JUL 1.3>3 AUG 1.3>3 SEP 1.3>3 OCT 1.3>3
CO FLL-TCB APR 1.3>1.9 MAY 1.3>3 JUN 1.3>3 JUL 1.3>3 AUG 1.3>3 SEP 1.3>3 OCT 1.3>3
CO GNV-MCO MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
CO GNV-TPA APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7
CO IAD-CDG JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2.0>1.1
CO IAH-CMH JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4
CO IAH-CRP JUL 9>8
CO IAH-GSP JUL 3>1.9 AUG 3>2
CO IAH-MCI JUN 10>9 JUL 10>9 AUG 10>9
CO IAH-OKC JUN 8>9 JUL 9>10 AUG 8>9
CO IAH-RSW JUN 3>1.8 JUL 3>2
CO IAH-TUS JUL 4>3
CO IAH-XNA JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
CO LAX-EWR JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9 AUG 8>9
CO LAX-HNL JUN 5>2 JUL 6>3 AUG 6>3 SEP 5>2 OCT 5>2
CO LAX-HNL JUN 5>3 JUL 6>4 AUG 6>4 SEP 4>2 OCT 4>2
CO LAX-KOA JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
CO LAX-KOA JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
CO LAX-OGG JUL 2>0 AUG 1.9>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
CO SFO-EWR JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
CO SFO-HNL JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
CO SFO-HNL JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
CO SFO-IAH JUL 6>7

CX LAX-GDL SEP 2>0 OCT 1.7>0
CX LAX-MEX SEP 0.9>0 OCT 0.9>0

DL ATL-CLE JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6
DL ATL-EVV JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
*DL ATL-LGW APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL ATL-LHR APR 1.2>1.7 MAY 1.5>3 JUN 1.6>3 JUL 1.6>3 AUG 1.6>3 SEP 1.6>3 OCT 1.5>3
*DL ATL-MFE MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0
DL ATL-MLU JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
DL ATL-MSP JUL 11>12
DL ATL-MTY JUL 2>1.9
DL ATL-PUJ OCT 1.0>2
DL ATL-SAN OCT 6>5
DL ATL-SDF MAY 9>8
DL ATL-VCE JUN 0.6>0.7 JUL 0.6>0.7 AUG 0.5>0.7
DL ATL-VPS JUN 9>11 JUL 8>11 AUG 9>11 SEP 9>11 OCT 9>10
DL BOI-MSP JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
DL BOS-YYZ MAY 1.7>1.6 JUN 1.9>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3
DL CMH-MSP JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
More CVG cutbacks
*DL CVG-JAX JUN 1.5>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.8 AUG 1.2>0.9
*DL CVG-ORF APR 1.6>0 MAY 1.6>0 JUN 1.6>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.7>0 OCT 1.7>0
*DL CVG-SEA JUN 1.2>0.8 JUL 1.4>0.8
DL DCA-ATL AUG 15>14 SEP 15>14 OCT 15>14
DL DTW-ATW JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
DL DTW-AZO JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6 AUG 7>6 SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6
DL DTW-CAE JUN 1.8>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0
DL DTW-CHS JUN 3>2.0 JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2.0 OCT 3>2
DL DTW-CRW JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7 AUG 3>1.7
DL DTW-CVG JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
DL DTW-DLH JUN 3>2.0 JUL 3>2.0 AUG 3>2
DL DTW-EVV JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
DL DTW-HSV JUN 3>1.9 JUL 3>2.0 AUG 3>2
DL DTW-LAN JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6
DL DTW-LIT JUN 1.6>0.8 JUL 1.9>0.9 AUG 1.3>0.9
DL DTW-MHT JUN 7>6 JUL 7>5 AUG 7>5 SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5
DL DTW-MLI JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
DL DTW-PHL JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
DL DTW-RDU JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
DL DTW-ROA JUN 3>2.0 JUL 3>2
DL DTW-YYZ MAY 8>7
DL GEG-MSP JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3
DL GRB-MSP JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
DL JFK-BOS OCT 5>6
DL JFK-MEX JUL 2>1.9
DL LAS-MSP JUN 7>6 JUL 6>5 AUG 6>5
DL LAX-HNL JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
VX entered and DL let them have it. Weird...
*DL LAX-PHL JUN 0.8>0.1 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0
DL LGA-BUF AUG 6>7 OCT 6>7
DL LGA-DCA JUL 14>13 AUG 14>13 SEP 13>12 OCT 14>13
DL LGA-MHT APR 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.2>1.9 AUG 1.5>3 SEP 1.3>3 OCT 1.5>3
Same as CVG
*DL MEM-EWR JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MEM-HSV APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MEM-LBB APR 3>1.0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0
You wonder if this is prep for a bid for AA's MIA ops
**DL MIA-LHR APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MIA-MCO APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MIA-TPA APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
DL MOT-MSP JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
DL MSP-SDF JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
DL MSP-YYC OCT 3>4
DL PIT-CDG OCT 0.6>0.5
*DL RDU-TPA APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
DL SLC-EWR MAY 2.0>1.5
DL SLC-MCI JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3
DL SLC-MSO SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
DL SLC-OKC MAY 3>1.8 OCT 3>1.8
DL SLC-OMA JUL 3>2 AUG 3>1.9 SEP 3>1.8 OCT 3>1.9
DL SLC-PSC JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5
DL SLC-SJC SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
DL SLC-STL JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3 AUG 4>3

Moved to DFW
*EK IAH-DXB MAR 1.2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0

Not sure BIS was better than SMF.
*F9 DEN-BIS JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7
*F9 DEN-SMF AUG 3>2 SEP 0.9>0.6

HA LAX-HNL MAR 2>3

K5 OTH-PDX SEP 0>1.6

LA MIA-BOG JUL 1.0>1.4 AUG 1.0>1.4 SEP 1.0>1.3 OCT 1.0>1.3
LA MIA-PUJ OCT 0.1>0.3

LO EWR-WAW JUN 0.6>0.7 JUL 0.5>0.7 AUG 0.6>0.7 SEP 0.6>0.7
LO JFK-WAW JUN 0.9>1.0 JUL 0.9>1.0 AUG 0.8>1.0
LO ORD-WAW JUN 1.2>1.3 JUL 1.1>1.3 SEP 1.1>1.3

LY JFK-TLV APR 1.9>1.8

*NK DEN-DFW MAY 0>1.4 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
*NK DEN-FLL MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*NK DEN-LAS MAY 0>1.9 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
*NK DEN-ORD MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
NK DTW-MCO SEP 1.0>2
NK FLL-MGA JUL 0.4>0.6
NK FLL-PTY JUL 0.6>0.7
NK FLL-SAP JUL 0.6>0.7
NK FLL-SJO JUN 1.3>1.6 JUL 1.3>1.8 AUG 1.3>1.6
NK FLL-STI JUL 0.3>0.5
NK FLL-TPA JUL 1.0>2

QF LAX-AKL MAY 1.0>0.2 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

R3 ANC-PKC AUG 0>0.2

TA MIA-TGU MAR 1.0>0.8

TCX LAS-GLA AUG 0.2>0 SEP 0.1>0 OCT 0.2>0
TCX LAS-MAN AUG 0>0.2 SEP 0>0.1 OCT 0>0.2
TCX SFB-GLA SEP 0.2>0 OCT 0.1>0
TCX SFB-LGW AUG 0>0.2 SEP 0>0.1 OCT 0>0.1
TCX SFB-MAN AUG 0.2>0.3 SEP 0.1>0.3 OCT 0.1>0.3

TJ SJU-SBH MAR 1.7>1.6 APR 1.8>1.7

UA DEN-ASE JUN 10>9 JUL 11>10 AUG 11>10
UA DEN-BFL SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
UA DEN-BZN JUN 4>5
UA DEN-CID JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
UA DEN-FSD JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
UA

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7673 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 14067 times:

UA ORD-FSD AUG 5>4
UA ORD-GSP JUN 4>3
UA ORD-IAH JUN 3>4 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3
UA ORD-LAX JUN 11>12
UA SFO-FAT JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6
UA SFO-MFR JUN 6>7
UA SFO-SLC JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
UA SFO-SNA JUN 7>8

US DCA-TPA JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
US PHX-EWR AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4 OCT 3>4
US PHX-HNL JUN 4>3
US PHX-LIH JUN 1.1>1.2

VC HNL-BNE MAR 0.4>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.4>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0
VC HNL-MEL MAR 0.3>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0

VS LAX-LHR MAY 2>1.7

WS LAS-YYC MAY 2>3
WS PHX-YYC MAY 1.0>1.5

Y4 LAS-GDL APR 1.3>1.5
Y4 LAS-MEX MAY 1.3>1.0 JUN 1.3>1.0 JUL 1.3>1.0 AUG 1.3>1.0 SEP 1.3>1.0 OCT 1.3>1.0
Y4 LAX-MEX MAY 1.0>0.6 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.4 AUG 1.0>0.5 SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 1.0>0.4
Y4 LAX-MLM JUN 0.9>1.0 JUL 0.8>1.0 AUG 0.9>1.0 SEP 0.9>1.0 OCT 0.8>1.0
Y4 MDW-GDL APR 0.7>1.0 MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.7>1.0 JUL 0.7>1.0 AUG 0.7>1.0 SEP 0.7>1.0 OCT 0.7>1.0
Y4 OAK-GDL MAY 1.1>1.0 JUN 1.2>1.0 JUL 1.1>1.0 AUG 1.1>1.0 SEP 1.2>1.0 OCT 1.1>1.0
Y4 OAK-MEX APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.5>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.4>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0
Y4 SAN-GDL APR 0.4>0.8 MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.5>0.3 AUG 0.5>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 0.4>0.3
Y4 SAN-MEX APR 0.5>0.8 AUG 0.6>0.4 SEP 0.6>0.4 OCT 0.5>0.4
Y4 SJC-GDL MAY 1.1>1.0 JUN 1.2>1.0 JUL 1.1>1.0 AUG 1.1>1.0 SEP 1.2>1.0 OCT 1.1>1.0

YV HNL-ITO APR 2>3
YV HNL-OGG MAR 10>8 APR 10>8 MAY 10>8 JUN 10>8 JUL 10>8 AUG 10>8 SEP 10>8 OCT 10>8
YV ITO-HNL APR 2>3
YV OGG-HNL MAR 10>8 APR 10>8 MAY 10>8 JUN 10>8 JUL 10>8 AUG 10>8 SEP 10>8 OCT 10>8

ZK DEN-ISN APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4
ZK HON-MCK APR 0.7>0 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0
ZK HON-MSP APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
ZK HON-PIR APR 1.0>2.0 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2 AUG 1.0>2 SEP 1.0>2 OCT 1.0>2
ZK ISN-JMS APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
ZK ISN-MSP APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
ZK JMS-MSP MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>2


User currently offlinegustywinds From Armenia, joined Feb 2012, 143 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 13970 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

Not sure BIS was better than SMF.
*F9 DEN-BIS JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7
*F9 DEN-SMF AUG 3>2 SEP 0.9>0.6

Which is why F9 and BIS knows better than you, thank goodness. You always seem to make a snide comment about F9 in your OAG threads.


User currently onlinediverdave From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 13873 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-HSV JUN 3>1.9 JUL 3>2.0 AUG 3>2
DL MEM-HSV APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

Sigh. We used to have direct Delta service to multiple hubs and destinations. Now it will be two flights per day to DTW and everything else is ATL.

Thank you again for your work in posting the weekly thread!

David


User currently offlinehiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2177 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 13866 times:

Hmmm UA just announced IST this summer...didn't see it on this run....did part of the UA fall off with formatting?

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6729 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 13818 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
VX entered and DL let them have it. Weird...
*DL LAX-PHL JUN 0.8>0.1 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0

No surprise. DL can't make money on this route with VX there. It's not worth fighting for.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL CVG-JAX JUN 1.5>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.8 AUG 1.2>0.9
*DL CVG-ORF APR 1.6>0 MAY 1.6>0 JUN 1.6>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.7>0 OCT 1.7>0
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-EWR JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MEM-HSV APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MEM-LBB APR 3>1.0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0

More RJ's to help fund LGA.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
You wonder if this is prep for a bid for AA's MIA ops
**DL MIA-LHR APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MIA-MCO APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MIA-TPA APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

I don't think it has anything to do with bidding for AA. It's all about cutting losses on poor performing leisure routes which do especially bad with fuel prices being as high as they are.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 13819 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-EWR JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

Sad. I flew this route in April 2010 and it was back on a E175.

LAX-PHL gets the axe after less than a year. Honestly, I'm not surprised.



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User currently offlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 13794 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-EWR JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MEM-HSV APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MEM-LBB APR 3>1.0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0

MEM is living on a prayer anyway - with fuel prices escalating and uncertain it seems that it's got to be just a matter of time before MEM is "right-sized." But then that's been said for a while...



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 13439 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Not sure BIS was better than SMF.

BIS was offering $200,000 revenue guarantee to get additional airline service



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 13444 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LAX-PHL JUN 0.8>0.1 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0

Yeah Delta is really commited to LAX this time around, where are all the Delta is rerere building an LAX hub people now  
If i look into my crystal ball this and DEN wont be the last LAX routes to bight the dust either. I bet we see a few more of the unsustainable delta rj routes bight the dust eventually too or at least see significant frequency decreases. Delta just doesnt have the LAX base of flyers or consistancy to make these routes work and when fuel shoots back up they are gonna be vulnerable. I know ive said this before but as many times as i say this people on here swear this time is different for DL at LAX. It just keeps being the same tired LAX add em and slash em story keeping a ton of seats to the hubs/focus cities.

As i said if delta really wanted to try this they would have needed the AA EWR-LAX once a day schedule the ideal business times. They just threw another dart but didnt really try on this one. They just moved in on an opportunity which dissapeared rather quickly.


User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7767 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 13308 times:

People are quick to throw DL under the bus for any and all cuts they make, and claim "they can't make it work"

However, on many of these routes, I would be lead to believe that the rapidly escalating cost of fuel is rendering more of these marginal routes uneconomical.

The airline industry is facing a major issue going into the summer months, facing another massive run-up in the cost of fuel.

I'm led to believe that DL is being proactive at cutting non-core flying and being very conservative in their approach.


User currently offlineSanti319 From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 13252 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
NK FLL-MGA JUL 0.4>0.6
NK FLL-PTY JUL 0.6>0.7
NK FLL-SAP JUL 0.6>0.7
NK FLL-SJO JUN 1.3>1.6 JUL 1.3>1.8 AUG 1.3>1.6
NK FLL-STI JUL 0.3>0.5
NK FLL-TPA JUL 1.0>2

So where are all the panicking a-netters that constantly talk about the 'demise' of NK in FLL now?? lol


User currently offlineshadez From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 13243 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
NK FLL-MGA JUL 0.4>0.6
NK FLL-PTY JUL 0.6>0.7
NK FLL-SAP JUL 0.6>0.7
NK FLL-SJO JUN 1.3>1.6 JUL 1.3>1.8 AUG 1.3>1.6
NK FLL-STI JUL 0.3>0.5
NK FLL-TPA JUL 1.0>2

Good to see some of the FLL reductions from a week or two ago come back.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2907 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 13218 times:

WOW! Lots of interesting stuff this week!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS ANC-HNL AUG 1.0>0.9 SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 1.0>0.4
AS BLI-HNL SEP 1.0>0.6 OCT 1.0>0.6
AS HNL-ANC AUG 1.0>0.9 SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 1.0>0.4

Hmmm, are these just shoulder season cuts, or a sign that these Hawaiian routes aren't doing so well? I remember on another thread people stating how and why AS's BLI-HNL doesn't seem to be a stellar performer, but I would have thought they make a killing on the only nonstops to Hawaii out of Alaska...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 FLL-IAD JUN 1.7>0.6 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0

This leaves no service at all between these two major airports. Perhaps its time for UA, NK, or even WN to fill the void?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 LGA-SRQ JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>0.9

I cannot believe they paid all that money for those slots to waste them on stuff like this. Maybe the SRQ airport is throwing the money they would have given to FL/WN at B6 to do this?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO IAD-CDG JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2.0>1.1

I hope this means a PMUA bird is flying the second IAD-CDG frequency during the peak summer season, and not that the world's biggest airline only sees reason to put a pithy daily two class 757 on this high profile international route...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-LGW APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL ATL-LHR APR 1.2>1.7 MAY 1.5>3 JUN 1.6>3 JUL 1.6>3 AUG 1.6>3 SEP 1.6>3 OCT 1.5>3

Not terribly surprising, seeing as how peers AA and CO quickly abandoned LGW for the greener pastures of LHR. Of course some people prefer LGW, but the vast majority of pax headed to London or points beyond seem to prefer LHR, so this is a probably a means to better satisfy customer demand.

Now that this has happened it may only be a matter of time before US shifts CLT-LGW over to LHR, putting an end to decades of transatlantic ops to/from LGW by the major U.S. players. The only nonstop options between the U.S. and LGW would then be the oddball seasonal SY route, BA - MCO and TPA, and VS - MCO and LAS.

It's interesting that prestigious long haul carriers like QR and DL are consolidating their London ops at LHR, but several Asian carriers - CA, KE, and HX - are actually adding new nonstop service to distant Asian markets from LGW.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-MFE MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0 AUG 2>0 SEP 2>0 OCT 2>0

Not surprising. I imagine quite a few more long, thin, marginal RJ routes like this will start to get cut with oil prices on the rise. IIRC McAllen is one of the poorest metropolitan areas in the entire country.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
More CVG cutbacks
*DL CVG-JAX JUN 1.5>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.8 AUG 1.2>0.9
*DL CVG-ORF APR 1.6>0 MAY 1.6>0 JUN 1.6>0 JUL 1.7>0 AUG 1.7>0 SEP 1.7>0 OCT 1.7>0
*DL CVG-SEA JUN 1.2>0.8 JUL 1.4>0.8
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Same as CVG
*DL MEM-EWR JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MEM-HSV APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MEM-LBB APR 3>1.0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0

High oil prices are the perfect excuse for slashing RJ capacity and finally dehubbing MEM and CVG.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
VX entered and DL let them have it. Weird...
*DL LAX-PHL JUN 0.8>0.1 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0

Not weird at all. This is certainly not a battle that DL is going to win. Now, if/when VX goes into ATL, that's when DL will certainly put up a big fight.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
You wonder if this is prep for a bid for AA's MIA ops
**DL MIA-LHR APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MIA-MCO APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MIA-TPA APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

LOL, I doubt it. I never understood why DL was so determined to expand from MiAAmi when they saw what happened to UA's 15-20 year attempt to make it work. What a colossal waste of time and money. They probably would have been better off expanding their South Florida ops from FLL, where costs are lower, they have their own terminal, and they have always been *much* stronger than down the road at MIA. Had they tried stuff like LHR and GRU from there it might just have caught on, making FLL an EWR-like long haul alternative to MIA (the JFK of the metropolitan area).

As for DL trying to pick up MIA from AA, I doubt that carrier would EVER sell the hub unless it was an all-or-nothing merger/acquisition or if AA was on the verge of imminent liquidation. It is far too valuable, both in terms of revenue and strategy, for AA to let go. Without it, they'd lose most of their powerful Latin American presence overnight, and what would AA be without that??

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL RDU-TPA APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

Not at all surprising. Why they were ever putting a 50-seat RJ against more frequent [mainline] LCC flights is beyond me. Again, with oil prices on the rise, I expect to see many marginal RJ routes - long and thin like ATL-MFE, or p2p like this - cut.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Moved to DFW
*EK IAH-DXB MAR 1.2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0 AUG 2>1.0 SEP 2>1.0 OCT 2>1.0

A very smart move. IAH sees far more international long haul competition than DFW. Houston fliers have lots of options when headed to major business markets in Africa, the Middle East, CIS, and Asia. DFW fliers don't.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Not sure BIS was better than SMF.
*F9 DEN-BIS JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7
*F9 DEN-SMF AUG 3>2 SEP 0.9>0.6

LOL, WN and UA are both very strong players out of SMF. The costs at the airport are also on the rise thanks to that monstrosity they just built. I wouldn't be surprised to see F9 eventually cut SMF (along with ABQ and TUS, if the latter was not permanently cut already), as they did SJC and now SAT/BOI. In these cases they faced high cost and/or highly competitive markets where they lagged far behind competitors with respect to penetration of the local market. Better off reallocating their assets to places like BIS that will pay for the service and potentially generate higher yields in the long run. As long as F9 offers plenty of service to the ever-popular major markets from DEN (MDW, LGA, DCA, MCO, LAS, DFW, LAX, SFO, SEA, PDX, etc.) they probably don't need to be serving second-tier markets like SMF from there to make the smaller stuff like BIS work.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*NK DEN-DFW MAY 0>1.4 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
*NK DEN-FLL MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*NK DEN-LAS MAY 0>1.9 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
*NK DEN-ORD MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

I didn't think the yields could get any worse at DEN but they're about to!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
QF LAX-AKL MAY 1.0>0.2 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

Can't believe this one is getting cut. I wonder if it's time for UA to resume LAX-AKL on its own metal, or if DL, AA, or VA would be interesting in filling the void. Otherwise, NZ will soon enjoy a very comfortable monopoly on this route...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-ASE JUN 10>9 JUL 11>10 AUG 11>10

F9 pulls out, UA cuts frequency and jacks up the fares. What a shame.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
US DCA-TPA JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5 SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5

Looks like someone isn't too happy about B6's new DCA flights!

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):

VC HNL-BNE MAR 0.4>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.4>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0
VC HNL-MEL MAR 0.3>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0

Any idea if this could be a void that Jetstar or HA could fill?

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Y4 LAX-MEX MAY 1.0>0.6 JUN 1.0>0.6 JUL 1.0>0.4 AUG 1.0>0.5 SEP 1.0>0.4 OCT 1.0>0.4

UA and Y4 have both slashed frequency on this route, and it's not like AM or AS have done much. Isn't this is a goldmine?!?

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Y4 OAK-GDL MAY 1.1>1.0 JUN 1.2>1.0 JUL 1.1>1.0 AUG 1.1>1.0 SEP 1.2>1.0 OCT 1.1>1.0
Y4 OAK-MEX APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.5>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.4>0 SEP 0.4>0 OCT 0.4>0
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Y4 SJC-GDL MAY 1.1>1.0 JUN 1.2>1.0 JUL 1.1>1.0 AUG 1.1>1.0 SEP 1.2>1.0 OCT 1.1>1.0

Looks like the Bay Area isn't doing too hot. Guess they'd better get that WN codeshare going or perhaps look at serving SFO instead.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
Y4 SAN-GDL APR 0.4>0.8 MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.5>0.3 AUG 0.5>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.3 OCT 0.4>0.3
Y4 SAN-MEX APR 0.5>0.8 AUG 0.6>0.4 SEP 0.6>0.4 OCT 0.5>0.4

Looks like SAN isn't doing too hot either.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
YV HNL-OGG MAR 10>8 APR 10>8 MAY 10>8 JUN 10>8 JUL 10>8 AUG 10>8 SEP 10>8 OCT 10>8

More cuts by this airline..



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User currently offlinejetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2848 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 13107 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO GNV-MCO MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
CO GNV-TPA APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>1.7 JUN 0>1.7 JUL 0>1.7 AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>1.7 OCT 0>1.7

Glad to see GNV coming back!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO IAH-OKC JUN 8>9 JUL 9>10 AUG 8>9

 
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SLC-OKC MAY 3>1.8 OCT 3>1.8

 



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 13090 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
High oil prices are the perfect excuse for slashing RJ capacity and finally dehubbing MEM and CVG.

Yikes i really hope not. Loosing EWR-MEM alone is already tough for me to handle. Been on that flight alot of times

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
People are quick to throw DL under the bus for any and all cuts they make, and claim "they can't make it work"

However, on many of these routes, I would be lead to believe that the rapidly escalating cost of fuel is rendering more of these marginal routes uneconomical.

The airline industry is facing a major issue going into the summer months, facing another massive run-up in the cost of fuel.

I'm led to believe that DL is being proactive at cutting non-core flying and being very conservative in their approach.

DL can't make LAX origin traffic work. Its not like this is even close to the first time. They add and then later cut LAX routes during low fuel, high fuel, odd years, even years, you name it.


User currently offlineBobLoblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 13046 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
VX entered and DL let them have it. Weird...
*DL LAX-PHL JUN 0.8>0.1 JUL 0.9>0 AUG 0.8>0 SEP 0.7>0 OCT 0.7>0

This market didnt make sense for DL even without VX

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
You wonder if this is prep for a bid for AA's MIA ops
**DL MIA-LHR APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MIA-MCO APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0
*DL MIA-TPA APR 1.0>0.5 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

I dont wonder. DL was losing a boatload on MIA-LHR even if it was full. No corporate accounts on either end, long haul, high fuel. These flights never made sense. This has nothing to do with AA and everything to do with sucky routes. Plus more RJs for NYC expansion

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

QF LAX-AKL MAY 1.0>0.2 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

What no comments??? This is a big big deal.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 8):
BIS was offering $200,000 revenue guarantee to get additional airline service

F9 will burn through that is a few months, then leave town.


User currently offlineMountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 12993 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Not sure BIS was better than SMF.
*F9 DEN-BIS JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7
*F9 DEN-SMF AUG 3>2 SEP 0.9>0.6

Growing economy (ND oil boom), and no WN service. Sounds like a plan to me! It seems like F9 is trying a shot at non-WN stations lately like GTF, BIS, BLI, and more.



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2263 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 12951 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 10):
I'm led to believe that DL is being proactive at cutting non-core flying and being very conservative in their approach.

I feel DL is now being proactive about cutting non-core flying, but many of the routes that are being cut should not have been added in the first place. Routes like LAX-PHL, MIA-MCO, and RDU-TPA were quintessimal "Delta Dartboard" routes.

Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 16):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

QF LAX-AKL MAY 1.0>0.2 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

What no comments??? This is a big big deal.

This cut was discussed at length in the QF cutbacks thread last week.



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Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 12950 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
CO DEN-HNL JUN 1.0>0.2 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0

So is this a seasonal cut, shifting back to UA, or just totally cancelled ?


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 12838 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 9):
Yeah Delta is really commited to LAX this time around, where are all the Delta is rerere building an LAX hub people now

.......and how is the elimination of one route any indication of DL not being committed to LAX?????


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25688 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 12763 times:
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Quoting BobLoblaw (Reply 16):
F9 will burn through that is a few months, then leave town.

You mean like DSM - where the revenue guarantee was not touched, DEN service increased to 2 x daily and MCO service was added?

I think BIS might like that.  

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User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7767 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 12763 times:

Like the wind, routes come and go.....

People are critical when AA doesn't try new routes outside of their comfort zone, people are critical when DL cuts routes that are outside of their entrenched hubs.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 12672 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 19):

So is this a seasonal cut, shifting back to UA, or just totally cancelled ?

Shifting back to PMUA 763.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 12672 times:
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Quoting mariner (Reply 21):
I think BIS might like that.

I can't speak for BIS, but I sure would  



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25 Post contains images enilria : Well, you can always just read the threads by all the other people painstakingly using their personal time to comb through the OAG for changes, or yo
26 dsuairptman : Looks like Go! is in retreat after building up OGG last round. Guess those 26 turns a day between OGG-HNL on HA had something to do with it, amongst
27 Post contains images Atrude777 : If NK is retaliating for that, why now? WN/FL announced this way back in November of 2011. 3 Months later NK finally went "hey, they announced FLL-SJ
28 mariner : BZN and BIL - in Montana - have done quite will for Frontier, but what does Montana have to do with BIS? mariner
29 PacificClipper : VX has entered the LAX-PHL market running anywhere between 2-3 r/t flights depending on the day of week. That plus the approximately 6 flights on US
30 BobLoblaw : I dont think they can bid for individual assets. Why would the creditors go for that??? It would leave AA a shell and the creditors out to dry. This
31 dbo861 : I wonder if this is in response to F9 announcing DEN-CID.
32 SurfandSnow : You never know. Some of DL's apparent successes out of LAX come as a great shock to me - MSY and OAK are prime examples. On the other hand, I would h
33 RWA380 : You saying this reminded me when DL used to operate an M11 LAX-FRA-DEL/BOM (I forgot which city in India) flight I can't wait to see GO, GO! What you
34 TOMMY767 : If they aren't cutting it, I could see DL moving MIA-LAX back to FLL. The Gold Coast? Is that in ref. to RSW? IDK if DL flies nonstop LAX to West Flo
35 SurfandSnow : That would make them the 5th carrier on the FLL-LAX route, after NK, VX, B6, and AA. They might as well add LAX-ORD and LAX-BOS while they are at it.
36 PIEAvantiP180 : So i'm guessing that DL will make DTW only 7w and move the other three flights to ATL making it 14w. So where are they getting extra 7w slots at LHR t
37 HPRamper : VX doesn't exactly have the money reserves to beat DL in a fare war. I think VX being in the market was a factor, but not the biggest factor. BIS isn
38 mariner : I'm not suggesting it. The question was about revenue guarantees, not market size. CIS isn't the size of market that DSM is but the CID forward booki
39 Post contains links MountainFlyer : BIS is not directly in the oil boom, but it is not very far from it, and no doubt benefits at least indirectly from the economic explosion in ND. Just
40 Post contains images planesntrains : For me personally, I blame WorldTraveler. He single-handedly turned me negative on DL. I'm finally starting to heal (but won't book 'em....yet). Perh
41 panamair : You folks can continue to criticize Delta Network Planning all you want, but capacity cuts and capacity discipline have served Delta extremely well i
42 incitatus : There is one very big risk with DL trying to make the US into a 2-alliance market. It might as well lead to a dissolution of oneworld. Regulators aro
43 TOMMY767 : It had to be. Then again I would have thought that RDU/CMH/JAX-LAX would have all done well, yet they all failed (RDU is seasonal, big whoop. LAX isn
44 Post contains images delta2ual : People on here are never happy.
45 Gatorman96 : I am certainly out of the loop, but this seemed like the best thread to ask this question: Last fall, I flew DL DCA-JAX non-stop a few times on a Thur
46 AVLAirlineFreq : Casualty of the US/DL DCA/LGA slot swap. US will still be flying it.
47 dlflynhayn : Im pretty sure we are commited to LAX did you miss the added flight to HNL now up to 4xdaily in the summer,compared to 1x daily in SLC...Hint if we w
48 Post contains images dlflynhayn : Well i know its not going out empty...I have a few friends in MIA and if i could avoid ATL and go straight in to MIA it would be great but flts are u
49 izbtmnhd : I had to laugh at this one a little. Wasn't it just 2 or 3 OAG updates ago when this route was being used as an example of the CLE hub being "cut"? A
50 Cubsrule : I think it's a UA/CO switch (or a UA/CO Express switch).
51 Post contains images steeler83 : Wow, I can tell that so many people are in utter shock and disbelief that DL cut LAX-PHL... Not exactly, see below... Is this official, or just additi
52 hiflyer : Only seeing the one in various GDS displays...by the way the AF op seems to have been more 777 than 380 lately.
53 N766UA : And the hits just keep on comin'. I realize it's hard to gauge things with UA and CO amidst the gray-area of the merger, but is it just me or is CLE
54 smoot4208 : I completely agree. There is also one one individual who does this with AA. I just irks me when these type of people praise every move the company ma
55 Gatorman96 : Crap, I was afraid of that. So then Delta lost all non-stops to anywhere other then a few hubs? Thanks for the info AVL[Edited 2012-02-23 07:11:23][E
56 Post contains links KaiGywer : So? It's more than nothing. They actually ended up with $300,000 total, plus $50,000 free advertising and certain fees waived at the airport Frontier
57 ORDBOSEWR : In some cases some of those 'hits' are getting reversed. ATL is one example, previous OAG shows the cut and this one shows a return.... It is impossi
58 HPRamper : Actually, yes, I have. Just because they are drilling near BIS doesn't mean it's in the boom area. I could sink a drill in my backyard if I wanted to
59 izbtmnhd : From what Enrilia said a few months back there was a "placeholder" schedule for this summer in regards to CLE but not for any of the other UA hubs. I
60 mariner : Maybe - MOT has certainly been considered by Frontier in the past and if the aircraft can't land at the other two I guess that cuts them out. Then ag
61 enilria : All GO does is retreat. I have no better explanation as to why they would go into DEN. It makes no sense otherwise. Not really. They only flew it as
62 flyinryan99 : Won't be seeing TOL any time soon...from what I understand, it won't be any time in 2012 they would be flying to TOL.
63 mariner : Original Frontier served Montana and the Dakotas for almost all of it's existence and Montana and the Dakotas were the first routes served by the rev
64 KaiGywer : But that's the exact reason [b]why[b/] BIS is seeing oil traffic. Because of what you just mentioned. I'd be happy to let those other places keep the
65 Post contains links Atrude777 : I was referring to when SWA was flying it back in 2006 which was stated by Southwest themselves Source: www.blogsouthwest.com plus a real Motown-styl
66 Post contains images planesntrains : Maybe the folks at Spirit have a great sense of humor? lol I understand the traditional flow of business across the northern tier. Unfortunately, if
67 Post contains images planesntrains : Just for curiosity, FAR sees: #1 Phoenix #2 Las Vegas #3 Los Angeles #4 DENVER Interestingly, the more I look over ND and MT, the more it shows that o
68 incitatus : You got to ask whether BA, QF, CX would rather tie up with US making ow even weaker, or go for a different world order.
69 Post contains images enilria : Then it won't happen Yes, but they dropped it all and returned in the more recent regional jet/Q400 era. Well, they closed all those routes, but I st
70 joeljack : People in Omaha, Des Moines, KC, Lincoln going west are very used (and love) to connect in Denver and it is very convenient going to the west coast.
71 mariner : If you had just left the statement as that I doubt I would have responded. These rules you come up with are too Byzantine for me, I have trouble foll
72 MasseyBrown : Based on anecdotal reports, for the summer of 2012 CLE will have slightly fewer than 200 departures daily on peak days. Last year CLE had slightly mo
73 TOMMY767 : I remember when UA flew 757s on OMA-DEN. What happened????
74 HPRamper : I think BIS is a more stable market than BZN. Not so dependent on the college and leisure-seasonal crowd.
75 Post contains images flyinryan99 : This very may well not happen, but I'm curious as to what your reasoning is? I don't expect it to happen since F9 was not fully involved in the SCASD
76 hiflyer : I know in the past ND was one of the most underserved states due to it's tax rate on aviation fuel being substantially higher than the surrounding sta
77 Post contains images enilria : Perhaps. I don't get the impression that BZN has been more than bearable for them. No rules, just dinner---Outback Steakhouse. Oh year, you are in Ne
78 mariner : It's still there. I can't speak to your "impressions." Not really close at all. Outback Steakhouse is originally an American company, not Australia,
79 planesntrains : I don't think they have anything to do with each other. You might be right about the "sweet spot" but that doesn't preclude success elsewhere. Anyhoo
80 mariner : Well, Frontier is adding CID and BMI to this "sweet spot". It would be a curious airline if that is all it serves. mariner
81 CODC10 : DC-10s in the not-so-distant past as well.
82 GentFromAlaska : Dining at a Outback Steakhouse in Montana. That's just wrong!
83 N766UA : Not only are they not parking 145s, they're actually bringing 135s back!
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