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Rumor: Republic Is Leaving MKE  
User currently offlinewepaman From Puerto Rico, joined Nov 2006, 174 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9589 times:

Ok, is official... Republic is pulling all services from MKE... Which means YX will be gone for good... hmmm, Republic = Lorenzo? F9 will drop to about 4 flights per day...

Will see...


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User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9487 times:

YX was gone for good the moment they dumped all their mainline jets for the E190's and other various RJ's...

WN, congratulations, MKE is now yours for the taking.


User currently offlineflyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2293 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9456 times:

Honestly, this is where Delta needs to come into the market and start cherry-picking routes out of MKE. There has to be a pretty decent Skymiles following in MKE absorbed from former Northwest WorldPerks members, and Delta has an orphan 50-seat fleet looking for routes where they can actually make money. Delta could easily fill in the gaps left in MKE just like they did in RDU when AA yanked the last of their point-to-point routes. Potential routes should include MKE-STL/IND/CMH/RDU/BDL/GRR.

User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9507 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9347 times:

for what it's worth, Republic earnings conference call March 1, 10:30am


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User currently offlinebcoz From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9212 times:

Is there some sort of link? And by "Republic is pulling all services" are we saying that F9 will no longer fly to MKE in any route/any capacity?

User currently offlinewepaman From Puerto Rico, joined Nov 2006, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9135 times:

Quoting bcoz (Reply 4):
Is there some sort of link? And by "Republic is pulling all services" are we saying that F9 will no longer fly to MKE in any route/any capacity?

No link yet, but is comming. Republic Airways (E-190, E-145) is the one pulling out, F9 will continue service to MKE, but Lite services by Summer time..

ohhh Yes I forgot... No more Cookies...



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User currently offlinebcoz From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9078 times:

Quoting wepaman (Reply 5):
No link yet, but is comming. Republic Airways (E-190, E-145) is the one pulling out, F9 will continue service to MKE, but Lite services by Summer time..

ohhh Yes I forgot... No more Cookies...

Ok... I was a bit confused. I know that I read (or at least I thought I did) that RAH was going to try and divest itself of F9, but I wasn't sure exactly what the thread subject really meant.


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1403 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9079 times:



You use that word...

Quoting wepaman (Thread starter):
official

...I do not think it means what you think it means.

I'll wait for some PR on this before commenting. In the meantime, minus any sort of announcement, I think adding "Rumor" to the subject is in order.

-Mike



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9081 times:

I assume that F9 will be redeploying the MKE assets to DEN. If so, I think we might see UA dehub DEN much like F9 is dehubbing MKE.

Quoting wepaman (Reply 5):
ohhh Yes I forgot... No more Cookies...

Will they still sell the cookie dough at Milwaukee supermarkets?

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 1):
WN, congratulations, MKE is now yours for the taking.

WN's slogan should now be "DING! You are now free to dominate Milwaukee."

Quoting flyCMH (Reply 2):
Honestly, this is where Delta needs to come into the market and start cherry-picking routes out of MKE.

I wonder if DL could move from their Concourse E gates to the gates that F9 is vacating.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9081 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 1):
WN, congratulations, MKE is now yours for the taking.

I just wonder how long they will stick around given their proximity to MDW?



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User currently offlinewonder1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8963 times:

...and the Cookie finally completely crumbles.

Seriously...who here *didn't* see that coming (for about the last 4 years)?


User currently onlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9803 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8945 times:

Quoting flyCMH (Reply 2):
Honestly, this is where Delta needs to come into the market and start cherry-picking routes out of MKE.

Why would they do that? Republic/Frontier is pulling out because AirTran/Southwest came in and killed all the yields. Starting up operations in MKE to non-hubs would be like starting up routes from DAL or MDW. I don't see it happening. There's no money in MKE just like there is no money in DEN. Yields are horrible because of excess competition.



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User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2465 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8781 times:

Quoting wepaman (Thread starter):
Ok, is official... Republic is pulling all services from MKE... Which means YX will be gone for good... hmmm, Republic = Lorenzo? F9 will drop to about 4 flights per day...

Woah, if this is true then things really are falling apart pretty fast. It was only after the latest round of MKE cuts that I started to realistically think about the possibility of them dropping every route except DEN. Still, it would be a bit strange considering they just announced MKE-PIT is returning.

Quoting flyCMH (Reply 2):
Honestly, this is where Delta needs to come into the market and start cherry-picking routes out of MKE. There has to be a pretty decent Skymiles following in MKE absorbed from former Northwest WorldPerks members, and Delta has an orphan 50-seat fleet looking for routes where they can actually make money. Delta could easily fill in the gaps left in MKE just like they did in RDU when AA yanked the last of their point-to-point routes. Potential routes should include MKE-STL/IND/CMH/RDU/BDL/GRR.

I like the idea of DL adding some p2p routes from MKE, but I doubt they'd try the CRJs again, especially to some of those cities that you listed.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 11):
There's no money in MKE just like there is no money in DEN. Yields are horrible because of excess competition.

I'm sure the yields are somewhat better now with all the flights F9 has cut.

[Edited 2012-02-22 14:05:10]


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User currently offlineflyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2293 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8671 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 11):
Quoting flyCMH (Reply 2):Honestly, this is where Delta needs to come into the market and start cherry-picking routes out of MKE.
Why would they do that? Republic/Frontier is pulling out because AirTran/Southwest came in and killed all the yields. Starting up operations in MKE to non-hubs would be like starting up routes from DAL or MDW. I don't see it happening. There's no money in MKE just like there is no money in DEN. Yields are horrible because of excess competition.

My line of thought is for Delta to mirror what they've done in RDU in MKE. I understand yields have been depressed considerably, however I would imagine that's the case for trunk routes such as MKE-NYC/WAS/DEN/LAX/etc. The regional routes, especially those that lasted the longest, would be the ones that still maintain a decent yield that Delta could pick up with relative ease and not have to worry about direct competition. In addition, Delta has a very strong following in many of the cities mentioned and would continue the S-curve dynamic. Delta also has the 50-seat capacity floating around to accomplish such build up.


User currently offlinejoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8631 times:

Quoting flyCMH (Reply 2):
Honestly, this is where Delta needs to come into the market and start cherry-picking routes out of MKE. There has to be a pretty decent Skymiles following in MKE absorbed from former Northwest WorldPerks members, and Delta has an orphan 50-seat fleet looking for routes where they can actually make money. Delta could easily fill in the gaps left in MKE just like they did in RDU when AA yanked the last of their point-to-point routes. Potential routes should include MKE-STL/IND/CMH/RDU/BDL/GRR.

What about MKE-OMA too? At MKE-STL is served by WN so I wouldn't touch this one if I were Delta.

MKE-IND 79 passengers per day and average fare (all data from faremeasure.com)
MKE-CMH 39 ppd @ $299 331 miles
MKE-RDU 198 ppd @ $257 689 miles
MKE-BDL 87 ppd @ $327 780 miles
MKE-GRR Less than 10 ppd
MKE-OMA 104 ppd @ $213 426 miles
MKE-PIT 138 ppd @ $198 431 miles

Delta is strong in all those markets except PIT and BDL.

I wonder if they would consider adding IND, RDU and OMA??? Or maybe southwest adding a couple of these?


User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8504 times:
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UA dehubbing DEN???? Not a chance. It's their 4th largest hub and they would definitely loose a lot of brand recognition in the West Coast. I think DEN will remain neutral for UA as of now.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8):



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8373 times:

Quoting joeljack (Reply 14):
Delta is strong in all those markets except PIT and BDL.

They're stronger in PIT than you think. They are the second-largest legacy airline there now. Only US is bigger.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3826 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8323 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 15):
UA dehubbing DEN???? Not a chance.

Well, people thought not all that long ago that there wasn't a chance that AA would dehub STL, DL would cut back massively at CVG, or that US would dehub PIT and gut most of their LGA ops. And keep in mind that even though DEN is UA's #4 hub, a lot (but not all) of the DEN traffic could be rerouted through UA's #1 hub at IAH.

Stranger things have happened in the airline business than UA dehubbing DEN.



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User currently offlineknope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2998 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8270 times:

Quoting joeljack (Reply 14):
Quoting joeljack (Reply 14):
MKE-IND 79 passengers per day and average fare (all data from faremeasure.com)
MKE-CMH 39 ppd @ $299 331 miles
MKE-RDU 198 ppd @ $257 689 miles
MKE-BDL 87 ppd @ $327 780 miles
MKE-GRR Less than 10 ppd
MKE-OMA 104 ppd @ $213 426 miles
MKE-PIT 138 ppd @ $198 431 miles

Unfortunately none of those numbers are valid because Chautauqua does not report, and every one of them was (or still is) served by F9* operated by Chautauqua.


User currently offlinejoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8185 times:

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 18):
Unfortunately none of those numbers are valid because Chautauqua does not report, and every one of them was (or still is) served by F9* operated by Chautauqua.

Very interesting...did not know that...how does Chautauqua get away without reporting???


User currently offlineDLX737200 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1954 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8154 times:

A year ago, OMA-MKE was served by two carriers (F9 and OO for FL) with multiple daily flights. There were at least 300 seats a day on that route a year ago, and even more in the days of YX. Granted most of the passengers on this route were probably connecting, it's surprising that there will soon be 0 daily seats on that route. I wonder when the last time was OMA didn't have MKE service. YX served it for so long.

It'd be nice if WN or DL started the route but I doubt DL will.


User currently offlinehomsar From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7385 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 17):
Well, people thought not all that long ago that there wasn't a chance that AA would dehub STL, DL would cut back massively at CVG, or that US would dehub PIT and gut most of their LGA ops.

Umm, when did "people" think any of that?

AA cutting back at STL has been talked about since the post-9/11 downturn, and folks have been predicting DL would pretty much abandon CVG ever since the minute the NW merger was announced. I haven't really followed the discussion surrounding US enough to know whether there was any belief that US wouldn't leave PIT or cut back at LGA.

Still, in response to your prediction:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8):
I assume that F9 will be redeploying the MKE assets to DEN. If so, I think we might see UA dehub DEN much like F9 is dehubbing MKE.

I don't see how a weak/dying airline leaving a really mediocre market can be seen as a precursor to a major airline abandoning a large hub.



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User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 803 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6881 times:
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Quoting wepaman (Reply 5):
No link yet, but is comming. Republic Airways (E-190, E-145) is the one pulling out, F9 will continue service to MKE, but Lite services by Summer time..

ohhh Yes I forgot... No more Cookies...

OK I'm confused, is this something new or are we talking about the same cuts announced a week ago that was already going to drop MKE down to 8 flights or less a day? The cookies ending is not new news this week.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17821 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6697 times:

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 1):
WN, congratulations, MKE is now yours for the taking.

Or you can take the cash equivalent, or anything off the Sizzler menu of equal or lesser value 
Quoting flyCMH (Reply 2):
Honestly, this is where Delta needs to come into the market and start cherry-picking routes out of MKE.

Again?

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8):
Will they still sell the cookie dough at Milwaukee supermarkets?

That's what I've been wondering for a while now.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 8):
WN's slogan should now be "DING! You are now free to dominate Milwaukee."

.......And it will look like all the other dozen +/- daily departure cities in the region that haven't grown in years, save MDW.



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6639 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 23):

.......And it will look like all the other dozen +/- daily departure cities in the region that haven't grown in years, save MDW.

Umm, no. That's absurd.



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25 DBCooper : Source? - DBC
26 Post contains links knope2001 : It's not clear to me exactly how this comes about, but it's not just Chautauqua. Over recent years there have been quarters where one airline or anot
27 YXwatcherMKE : Yes the Cookie is alive and well in the Milwaukee Supermarkets!!!!! And it is marketed as the Cookie that made Midwest Airlines famous. The Cookie is
28 bjorn14 : Probably COS as they are starting 4 p2p routes from there.
29 slcdeltarumd11 : With 2 LCCs hubbing there, it being the lowest farehub in the country (a title they now can claim with frontier dehubbing MKE), and between ORD, LAX,
30 usairways787 : Typical Bedford, milks the company, employees, takes their vacations, holidays, sick pay and gives them furlough notices. Then goes onto T.V. plays Mr
31 jfklganyc : He bought an 2 airlines that didn't match the regional model of his airline(s). Then he merged the 2 LCCs together and tried to keep it separate from
32 MaverickM11 : MKE is roughly between OMA and DTW in terms of departures, neither of which has grown much in years. In fact they've probably shrank quite a bit. As
33 PlaneAdmirer : You seem to overlook that Midwest passed on being bought by Airtran and if RAH had not bought it out of bankruptcy, it would have been shut down and
34 floridaflyboy : Frontier was the one they bought out of BK, not Midwest. But I doubt it was far off for Midwest.
35 SiouxATC : Could see this coming from a mile away. That city could never support Frontier and AirTran. Will be interesting to see what Southwest does, I dont see
36 mogandoCI : DEN to UA is not financially crucial but geographically strategic. It'd be horrible for UA to throw that east-west hub away (and the only one that ca
37 Post contains images markjs : Republic is not pulling completely out of MKE! Their Frontier operation is ...as a base. Republic owns Frontier which was combined together as Midwest
38 usflyer msp : Even with the departure of F9, MKE will hardly be underserved.
39 wepaman : My internal e-mail, "and That is all I can said about that" Republic Holdinds does and not Republic Airways... Republic Airways flys for F9 and other
40 floridaflyboy : Wrong! Republic AIRLINES flies for F9 and US. Republic Airways Holdings (often simply abbreviated as Republic Airways) is the parent company..
41 Mexicana757 : I dont think it is absurd. I dont see WN keeping MKE with such large operations. MKE will look like, DTW, MSP, OMA, SDF, IND... Those LGA and DCA slo
42 PlaneAdmirer : I stand corrected. I knew they bought F9 out of bk, and for some reason thought that was how Midwest was acquired as well.
43 wepaman : As far I remember, F9 was coming out of BK, and may be with a few more months / a year, they more likely be fine without RAH. Nevertheless We preffer
44 apodino : With the brand loyalty that YX had in MKE, you wonder if it would have worked had the YX been the surviving brand? DEN has a lot more O and D than MKE
45 Post contains images wepaman :
46 Post contains links mariner : Loyalty doesn't pay the bills. It was only loans from Republic (before it took control) and TPG that kept Midwest out of Chapter 11. http://www.oakcr
47 mikefrommke : YX was failing in MKE before anybody came along to help. People can blame RJET all they want but they at least gave it a chance in MKE. Unfortunately
48 slcdeltarumd11 : Have we heard yet what will come of the EWR slots?
49 AirframeAS : What an ignorant statement! You cannot compare the two! BB is not even remotely close to Lorenzo. Nice try. You may want to research first before mak
50 IndyWA : Odd that I work for the company and they haven't released any of this info on our websites. Just the fact that the CREW base in MKE is closing....
51 Post contains links and images point2point : YIKES...! Yes, please...? I would like to see F9 show even a plus 2 cents operating profit if they can. First they were going to be in the black this
52 usflyer msp : I don't think UA's hub is going anywhere but I can guarantee you that UA sells very few full-fare domestic F tickets out of DEN (or on any route exce
53 Post contains images point2point : Hmmm.... flying in and out of DEN a lot, it seems every flight that I go on, the front is full. And when I get enough points on my FFs, and want to u
54 Post contains links mariner : Official? The only press release I have seen is this one: http://www.wtae.com/news/30533929/detail.html "Frontier Airlines announced Friday it would
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