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Etihad Airways Starts IAD Service March 2013  
User currently offlineworking2gether From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 83 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10441 times:

Some great news! Another airline is coming to Dulles!

http://www.airlinesanddestinations.c...ing-washington-d-c-in-spring-2013/

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User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 741 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 10335 times:

Perhaps a pre-emptive strike against EK?

UA also already flies to DXB daily from IAD.



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 10271 times:

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 1):
Perhaps a pre-emptive strike against EK?

Surely sounds like it. This is a very early announcement and IAD is definitely at the top of EK's hit list, although the airline seems bound for an ORD launch beforehand. I wouldn't be surprised that EK anyway makes it to IAD before EY though.


User currently offlinewashingtonian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days ago) and read 10212 times:

Great news! I'm sure that QR does great at IAD, and I have no doubt that EY will also thrive here. Always good to see Dulles getting more service...

User currently offlinerjm777ual From UK - England, joined Nov 2011, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10085 times:

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been waiting for this! Any info an the A/C type?


Greetings from Dulles!
User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10064 times:

Plenty of time for EK to jump in first   


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User currently offlineworking2gether From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10047 times:

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 4):
Any info an the A/C type?

From what I heard it's gonna be an Airbus A340-500


User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1643 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10025 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 5):
Plenty of time for EK to jump in first

Exactly...

Quoting working2gether (Reply 6):

From what I heard it's gonna be an Airbus A340-500

...and with a better aircraft to boot  



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User currently offlinerjm777ual From UK - England, joined Nov 2011, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9906 times:

Quoting working2gether (Reply 6):
From what I heard it's gonna be an Airbus A340-500

Yay! The first A345 to visit IAD!



Greetings from Dulles!
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9833 times:

Quoting working2gether (Reply 6):
From what I heard it's gonna be an Airbus A340-500
Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 8):
Yay! The first A345 to visit IAD!

I wonder what has come of the announcement that the 4-strong A345 fleet is supposedly sold to the government of Venezuela.

[Edited 2012-02-22 19:20:55]

User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4850 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9767 times:

A more in-depth article source with direct quotes from Hogan

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...mericas-expansion-strategy-368672/


User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2775 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9448 times:
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Will this affect the European carriers in any way?

User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4850 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9319 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 11):
Will this affect the European carriers in any way?

yes it will effect EU carriers market share from IAD to Middle East and Indian Subcontinent/BKK/SIN in particular and more so QR directly as that would be the closest competitor.

However with an alliance with AA domestically and IAD not being a hub airport for AA, EY will struggle filling its IAD-AUH services with healthy S/F combined with yield. Via IAD, they would only be code sharing with AA to LAX as AA does not have evening flights from IAD to DFW/MIA/BOS. In addition, QR is firmly established at IAD with UA using a bigger 335 seater B77W versus EY going to use a less efficient A346 (292 seater).

Also note that EY's capacity to India currently is heavily restricted with BOM MAA DEL COK TRV etc all operating with a daily A320 only and not with wide bodies nor double daily like QR hence there is a huge capacity bottleneck situation arising from AUH which in turn will hamper IAD flights as gaining access to inventory shall be tough.

Honestly speaking IAD does not look too promising for EY and it would be better suited using the A346 on launching a higher yielding route such as AUH-LAD 3 times per week or somewhere else in Africa in order to adequately feed its rapid China 2012 expansion strategy !


User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2097 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9051 times:

I am excited EY is finaly adding another US destination. But I question IAD. I would have thought another AA hub. But given how conservative EY is maybe they know what they're doing.

User currently offlinenantoine From France, joined Apr 2004, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7553 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 12):
Will this affect the European carriers in any way?

Air France has a lot to lose here: their IAD-CDG route feeds a significant number of high-yield pax to their African destinations, who now have an additional option in EY with a top-notch premium product...


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6731 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7524 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 12):
However with an alliance with AA domestically and IAD not being a hub airport for AA, EY will struggle filling its IAD-AUH services with healthy S/F combined with yield. Via IAD, they would only be code sharing with AA to LAX as AA does not have evening flights from IAD to DFW/MIA/BOS.


Your overall point it correct, but AA does in fact have IAD-DFW in the evening.


User currently offlinestaralliance85 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7409 times:

EY will do just fine to IAD. The Middle East, India and Africa are all strong markets for the DC area. Even though IAD is a UA hub and QR seems to be flirting with the *A, EY will do fine. EY will rely on AA for LAX and DFW traffic. I think EY is flirting with OW. I expect EY to add DFW, IAH and/or LAX next, in order to compete with EK and QR.

Quoting nantoine (Reply 14):

Air France has a lot to lose here: their IAD-CDG route feeds a significant number of high-yield pax to their African destinations, who now have an additional option in EY with a top-notch premium product...

EY, EK and QR are killing AF/KL and other European airlines. AF back in the day was enjoying North American traffic to Africa and India. Now these Mid East airlines offer a better product.



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User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7264 times:

Biggest losers are UA (From DXB), QR, AF, BA and LH.

Im sure connections through Europe were very popular before a direct service from AUH.

[Edited 2012-02-23 08:29:35]

User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4850 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7218 times:

EYs African network is nothing compared to AF. In addition the only African route that would be connected in both directions to IAD via AUH is JNB! EY in Africa only fly to KRT NBO CAI JNB CPT LOS CMN and out of this only JNB connects. Yes if EK came to IAD then there would be a big problem for EU carriers on the IAD-Africa sector.

FYI, EYs DFW bound pax will fly via ORD and not via IAD because ORD-DFW has multiple daily frequencies after the EY flight arrives i.e. 4 vs 1 from IAD !

And yeah didnt the Venezuelan Govt purchase 4 EY A345s??? Or is this a mistake and its actually an A346.

Here is another press release: http://www.ameinfo.com/291100.html

It states that EY is banking in high premium traffic between IAD and AUH itself to support the route when in 2011 only 2900 pax flew in F/J class IAD-AUH-IAD combined both ways versus 6200 Doha and 4500 Kuwait !


User currently offlineWY101 From Oman, joined Feb 2012, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6905 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 18):

Actually EY suspended CPT earlier this month, and JNB don't operate every day.


User currently offlineLHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6743 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 18):
And yeah didnt the Venezuelan Govt purchase 4 EY A345s??? Or is this a mistake and its actually an A346.

was it confirmed that these were EY aircraft? - I thought the source airline was as yet unconfirmed

(my own theory was that with TG ending BKK-LAX non-stop, that the aircraft in question could be from TG: but then maybe I haven't been paying attention...)


User currently offlinesolarflyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6722 times:

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 1):
UA also already flies to DXB daily from IAD.

Qatar also flies to Doha each day and I believe the yields are high.

Quoting working2gether (Reply 6):
From what I heard it's gonna be an Airbus A340-500

Yes, the press release confirms the air frame. Was hoping for 777.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 13):

I am excited EY is finaly adding another US destination. But I question IAD. I would have thought another AA hub. But given how conservative EY is maybe they know what they're doing

No, IAD is a great pickup. There is significant movement eastward from IAD and I am frankly shocked that there are basically 3 flights to middle east from IAD. (DXB,DOH and JED). Not many people fly Saudi except Saudis so basically you have two flights for everyone else. They are pricey too. The demographics of the DC area have long supported this as well as the local economy.

EK dropped the ball on this imo but I believe its LH that loses the most because many people connected through Frankfurt on UA or LH.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6731 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6695 times:

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 21):
There is significant movement eastward from IAD and I am frankly shocked that there are basically 3 flights to middle east from IAD. (DXB,DOH and JED).

UA also flies IAD-KWI-BAH. Long-term this route may not survive though as it was heavily reliant on defense contractors supporting the Iraq war.


User currently offlineizbtmnhd From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6582 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 17):
Biggest losers are UA (From DXB), QR, AF, BA and LH.

I agree, QR and EK will now spread the pain around quite a bit.


User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6397 times:

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 21):

Qatar also flies to Doha each day and I believe the yields are high.

Thats what I hear. Didnt that flight have really big losses in the first several months of operatrions? If so, there are times when it pays to suffer through the losses while the flight gets traction in yields. This might be an example of that.


25 contrails67 : With the entrance of EY into IAD, should I expect fares to come down on QR, as I usually use it to fly to India? Is the quality of service good with E
26 behramjee : I have flown QRs B77W in J class numerous times JFK DOH JFK as well as IAD DOH IAD along with EY's A346s once AUH-ORD and both products in the premium
27 WY101 : cough*thnx*cough!! :p WY has a different strategy than EK,QR,EY. Its to concentrate on O&D Markets and develop Oman as a luxury holiday and cultu
28 swedenflyer : Both routes will provide a good connection between IAD and the Middle East/Asia. Another route to put on my list of routes I want to fly. I've never
29 mogandoCI : Any chance of it re-routed to IAH instead ?
30 thenoflyzone : Will be interesting to see if AF will send the A380 to IAD as planned this summer or downgrade freq or even the aircraft. Thenoflyzone
31 solarflyer22 : I was thinking the same thing. I would imagine the answer is yes. Especially on the UA flight to Dubai which is very expensive virtually year round.
32 Post contains images mercure1 : The current EY head of planning was the VP of planning at pre merger UAL...
33 ChicagoFlyer : I love the ambiguity of the quote:
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