Acey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1585 posts, RR: 2 Posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 11020 times:
I was flying into ROC last night and we were instructed by ATC to hold over BUF because an aircraft had skidded off the runway. Turns out it was a Trans States E145 with 45 passengers on board, but thankfully nobody was injured. The airport was closed for a while but eventually opened the shorter runway 10/28.
apodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4425 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10703 times:
Another Trans States off the runway? I am thinking they seriously need Thrust Reversers on their ERJ's. I can say that it was very snowy and foggy in ROC last night, and I am not sure if this had anything to do with it.
And since this was ROC, the whole Grooved Runway argument I always hear when these incidents happen in Canada is out too.
If I remember correctly, at the time they landed it was 1/4 visibility, 200 feet vertical visibility with heavy snow. Also at play was the fact that it had rained earlier, so there was a thin layer of ice under heavy wet snow. Not great conditions to be sure. When we landed later on we called braking action fair to good on runway 28, even after plowing it was still a bit slick. Maybe AX needs some focus training in the sim for slick runways, if they don't already. We do it at my airline and I think it helps quite a bit.
Av8tor From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 149 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8465 times:
Quoting DashTrash (Reply 7): Cheap SOB Hulas didn't buy them when he ordered the 145s.
Not entirely true. Many of TSA's E145's have reversers. A handful of airplanes were purchased from a carrier in Europe and they didn't have thrust reverse. I never cared much for flying those particular aircraft in the Northeast during the winter. TSA's training is definitely not the problem, they have a notoriously tough training department. They do have extrememly low morale right now as TSA management tries to whipsaw them with their other two airlines. Like most commuter airlines, they also fly some pretty brutal schedules.
Acey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7106 times:
Quoting United_fan (Reply 6): I know MQ never seams to use reversers on thier 145's,here.
As a cost saving measure we don't use ours unless we have to. Basically the manual says we MAY use idle reverse if braking action is good, the runway is wet, or the runway is less than 7,000 feet. We MUST use max reverse if braking action is fair or poor or using them will prevent us from running off the end of the runway. Apparently when we got the planes there were maintenance issues with the reversers so they developed this policy to save money on fuel and maintenance.
FutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3213 times:
The EP's are always weight restricted thru AX. Max pax is 45 and have been known to get restricted to 35-39. There is also the MP model which at RP we had 3 of those. No galley, no reversers and yet put on ORD-HPN turns.