QF340500 From Singapore, joined Oct 2011, 156 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 18023 times:
In the meantime two newly delivered planes with the new Premium Economy and new long-haul Economy product should have arrived in Hong Kong. A330-300 left Toulouse on 24th and B 777-300ER left Seattle on 25th. Both should be in Hong Kong already. Does anyone has pictures of the two new products? CX did a very good job keeping these innovative products a secret until the last moment. Excited to see the Premium economy product finally...
qf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2776 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 17801 times:
Quoting zeke (Reply 3): B-KPY the new 77W however should have some pics leaking out as there is a media contingent in the cold and wet Seattle for its departure today, that should also be in revenue service next week.
QF340500 From Singapore, joined Oct 2011, 156 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 17729 times:
Zeke, thanks, for your input... but... why is there such a big fanfare about the Boeing 777-300ER delivery, but no celebration about the actual first plane delivered with PE, the A330-300, which must have arrived already.... obv we know Boeing also have the 747-8F to celebrate delivery but one thinks CX celebrate the Boeing deliveries more than Airbus' ??
qf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2776 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 17661 times:
Quoting QF340500 (Reply 7): one thinks CX celebrate the Boeing deliveries more than Airbus' ??
I think you're reading too far into it...
1. The A333 will struggle to carry 50+ pax nonstop TLS-HKG. The 77W can handle the same load on SEA-HKG without any issues.
2. SEA is far more local to the media that I imagine CX are targeting -- ie the North American and East Asian/Australian markets. Cheaper and easier to get people there...
Another question for Zeke -- are these aircraft fitted with the new Y seat as well?? Have any further details emerged yet on this product (it seems to have been rather overshadowed by the introduction of W)...
QF340500 From Singapore, joined Oct 2011, 156 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 17634 times:
yeah, i heard that they also have the new long haul economy product on board, but how will it be???? Overshadowed is the right way of putting it... they are supposed to be 1 inch wider and have more recline... BUT no info/comments if it is still the "much loved" fixed shell... so lots of excitement this weekend for us
oh, also the latest 777-300ER is the first one without First Class ... what do you guys say to that?
I'm hoping that CX retains the fixed shell design in the W cabin, but reverts to a more traditional style product in Y. Articulating seat bases (ie the base cushion slides forward as the seat reclines) does half the job of the shell seats anyway (ie preserving knee space).
Yes it will. The new PEY seat is a Cathay corporate green, (similar to B-KPF, the green "Asia World City" 77W) and the new economy seat is blue similar to the current Y seats. Both seats are made by Weber. I believe 6 new A330s are due this year in the 39J/28PEY/175Y configuration (known as the 33G configuration). I have photos of the seats and the seat maps, however I am not willing to post anything until released elsewhere.
This configuration will be on B-LAN to B-LAR and B-LAX.
The 77W will be operating as CX3337, expect departure around 1pm local, and arrival In HKG around 7:30 pm local if all goes to plan.
Quoting QF340500 (Reply 9): oh, also the latest 777-300ER is the first one without First Class ...
Yes it will be, B-KPY to B-KQH will be known at the 77G configuration with a 40J/32W/268Y layout. J class will have 3 window rows, and 4 centre rows aft of door 2, this will rows 11 to 23, PEY is 4 rows of 8 behind that, 30 to 34, and Y is 39 to 72.
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CX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6449 posts, RR: 56 Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 16715 times:
Quoting zeke (Reply 11): Yes it will be, B-KPY to B-KQH will be known at the 77G configuration with a 40J/32W/268Y layout. J class will have 3 window rows, and 4 centre rows aft of door 2, this will rows 11 to 23, PEY is 4 rows of 8 behind that, 30 to 34, and Y is 39 to 72.
Whats forwards of dors 2 then?
Quoting QF340500 (Reply 12): Thanks Zeke... lots of input! Sounds like a great configuration. And KUDOS to your integrity to CX for not publishing pics before the official launch!
I think the potential wrath of the company about one of their employees leaking sensitive photos online and subsequent job security!!....not that I am questioning his integrity either. Just that a big company does not treat employees kindly if they go public on big things before they do it themselves.
LondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1338 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9962 times:
Quoting JA8119 (Reply 17): Someone leaked the picture of the new cabin on a Hong Kong local forum.The Y+ seat looks just like a sightly enlarged Y seat.
The new CX Y+ seats look nothing special. If CX had offered lots more comfort, like NZ's new Y+ for example, then the penalty would have been less space in the regular Y cabin. When NZ introduced its more comfortable Y+ on the B77W, the seating in Y class changed from 9-across to 10-across.
loalq From Switzerland, joined Jan 2007, 213 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9248 times:
What is currently considered to be the benchmark of premium economy seats? I have flown BA and while it is miles away from their economy product, it is still not "stellar". AF hard shell seems to be quite good...I wonder if anyone with enough experience can share their views?
"...this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped."
25 KL808: It seems to me that only the first row have the full foot support? Yikes! so the best seat is on the first row while the other rows dont have the full
26 lhr380: If you look at the last picture you see the footrest under the seat in front. Bulkhead row does not have that so its a little different.
27 motorhussy: Wonder how the Y+ fares are going to compare against NZ's product on AKL-HKG… both are great airlines and this is the class I fly for leisure. Actua
28 nzrich: Well for the moment my bet is on NZ !! AF looks good too .
29 qf002: I have flown QF W, and thought it was great. The legroom is a bit more than CX is offering (40-42" from memory). This product is pretty similar to ot
30 blink182: There's a great article just posted on Australian Business Traveller about the products rollout. Included was a line about how product will appear on
31 QF340500: ha ha ha, that must have been a typo... CX and 737 Bu i am so looking forward to experience the new PE product... The seat for me looks fine, like oth
32 NZ107: They look comfortable, that's for sure. Can't wait to try it out for myself! So far, no dates have been announced for when this is going to be introdu
33 QF340500: Looking at the report from Australian Businesstraveller this product looks much more appealing than on the three small pics above. Sure, the front row
34 qf002: Just had a chance to read over the AusBT review -- their reporter certainly gave it a positive spin, but I'm not convinced just yet... I guess it real
35 QF340500: qf002, you might be right by saying that they try to be in between others. For me personally it means that i will even more concider flying CX via Hon
36 EBGflyer: Doesn't come near Turkish Airlines' Comfort Class. It's probably the best premium economy around.
37 QF340500: Really??? TKs PE didnt really look appealing to me on the tripreports i have seen... but hevent tried it yet...
38 lhr380: More pictures now on the Cx Facebook page
39 NZ107: Looks good. Everyone has an armrest on both sides in Y+ too. And I like how they've reverted Y to more normal seats. The current seats are so uncomfo
40 CXB77L: The A343s might get them next year, if they're to get them at all: http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_...0eac975310VgnVCM62000007d21c39____ I disagr
41 qf002: Not at all keen on the styling. Everything looks very dated -- a step back from the clean and modern look of their old Y seat, and the (IMO very) sty
42 NZ107: Yeah, I've followed your stance on these seats for a while. Last week, I flew LAX-HKG-SYD in Y (24 hrs of flying); albeit with an 11 hr stopover in H
43 RpKs: AusBT has just published a review of the new premium economy if anyone is interested...some more photos as well Review: here Roll-out info: here
44 coolfish1103: No wonder they released the pictures so late, the seats are pretty bad. The new seats are definitely not worth the extra price you need to pay. They a
45 qf002: I've just reread the article by AusBT, and particularly the part about the touchscreens (I personally don't see it as an issue at all, the screen is t
46 dlphoenix: CX is applying the same concept as BA, AF and BR. I flew EVA Y+ several times (same concept, 6 Y rows, 8 seats wide in the same fllow space that woul
47 cipango: Very very dated looking for premium economy. A shame for CX. They never seem to be able to impress anyone with their new seat designs.
48 cloudyapple: They should have used the corporate green as an accent colour and not on the whole seat. Looks like business class from the 70s from afar! So does the
49 CX Flyboy: Apart from all those people who continually contribute to CX's relatively high load factors and yields that is...who obviously ar the people that cou
50 qf002: New J looks great IMO. There's a difference between customer numbers and customers being impressed. By the sheer number of complaints and moaning abo
51 StanleyJ: I wonder how long my comments on Cathay Pacific's Facebook page stays around... though I guess they'll at some point goes walkies, thusly am cross-pos
52 motorhussy: Yes, that's what I said... With regard to your comment... Which is why airlines have had some trepidation about this product niche, but I believe tha
53 mdavies06: For those who said that the W new seats look dated, too slim etc and that they don't care about pax in Y and W, do you really think that CX don't? If
54 zeke: I think CX had its fixed shell experience.... One of the issues we ave had in J class is that our very frequent fliers tend get upgrades, and this at
55 747m8te: NZ Skycouch would only ever be practical if you are a hobbit...even a single traveller on skycouch would struggle....let alone two people as they adv
56 motorhussy: Agreed. The business class on NZ sits somewhere between traditional biz and first so it fits that the new Y+ sits somewhere just below this tradition
57 747m8te: And this is where it gets a bit silly with these airlines.....they up the quality of their cabins so much where, well why don't NZ call their busines
58 qf002: There's one very simple way of tackling this -- stop giving out free and spontaneous upgrades. NZ's J class is equal in quality to the J class at any
59 CX Flyboy: There is a fine line between doing it too much and not doing it at all. Upgrades are given for a reason. Sometimes it is simply because the lower cla
60 qf002: Clearly that logic hasn't paid off then, if CX is introducing an entirely new class of travel (with all the expense that comes with such an introduct
61 SA7700: Please take note of this archived thread where there are more pictures available of CX's economy and premium economy product. It looks great and I wis
62 YTZ: I disagree. What you are describing is Economy Plus. There should be a distinction between PREMIUM Economy and Economy PLUS. Plus should imply a bit
63 zeke: In your view what should premium ecenomy offer ?
64 CX Flyboy: What you are talking about are word-definitions of the English language and how they are used in marketing. There is no law on the name airlines use
65 ElPistolero: Its on par with VS at 38". I flew VS In Y+ recently. It was pretty good. Granted a lot of that satisfaction came from the price (good value for money
66 mcogator: Just by looking at seatguru, the AF A380 looks to have the most comfortable Y+ based on numbers alone. 49.8" pitch plus 26.6" width seems like a dream
67 qf002: That's because it is... Those sites are not at all trustworthy -- AF actually offers 19" width and 38" pitch, which is pretty much bang on the indust