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Delta's Plans For New LaGuardia Hub?  
User currently offlineuhntissbaby111 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 18 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 14966 times:

Does anybody have any information on DL's plans for their new hub at KLGA? Are they planning on just boosting frequency of flights, or new routes all together? Challenging AA and UAL on the ORD-LGA sector perhaps?

Adam

[Edited 2012-02-26 22:44:28]

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User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14714 times:
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Quoting uhntissbaby111 (Thread starter):

They will operate a dual hub in NYC one in LGA the other in JFK. Most of the new slots they are getting will go towards starting new routes, some will go for frequency up guage on existing ones. As for LGA - ORD, they are already operating the route and shortly will go to 13 daily round trips. DL advertises its LGA -ORD service as part of its shuttle program along with LGA - DCA,BOS. If you look up LGA on wiki it will give you a good idea on what new routes will be and when they start.


User currently onlineSkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14600 times:

I keep hearing from the Weekly Flight Ops update that LGA will become a full-fledged hub with 250 daily departures, eventually. A lot of the A320s will be used, being transferred from the MEM hub. Not all A320s but a lot...

User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14483 times:
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Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 2):

I hope so. Most of the new flights that have been loaded in the system are on connection carriers. I'm not sure how many airbus fights MEM can lose before there is none since it is my understanding that there are not that many left as is.


User currently onlineSkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14337 times:

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 3):

True, a lot of the flying will still be on DL Connection....but..once a particular route can sustain the switch from DLC flying to an up gauged mainline flying, the company will make the switch to mainline equipment. So, the future is unbelievably bright for DL at NY.


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7320 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14298 times:

Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 2):
A lot of the A320s will be used, being transferred from the MEM hub.

Wow, that's like 15 flights per day.  


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14225 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
Wow, that's like 15 flights per day.

Once you take out hub flights, is it even that many?



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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1481 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14216 times:

It seems like the announced expansion of the LGA hub is 90% RJ's. What a shame. They should make it a requirement that no more than 20% of an airlines operation can be of jets with under 100 seats. Want to reduce congestion? That's a good start.

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17657 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14183 times:

Quoting uhntissbaby111 (Thread starter):
Are they planning on just boosting frequency of flights, or new routes all together?

20 daily PHL flights 



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User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7648 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14063 times:

Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 2):
I keep hearing from the Weekly Flight Ops update that LGA will become a full-fledged hub with 250 daily departures, eventually. A lot of the A320s will be used, being transferred from the MEM hub. Not all A320s but a lot...

This has already happened from a fleet perspective, but not from a crew perspective. The MEM A320 (and DC9) pilot bases close April 1. They are opening up an NYC A320 pilot base.

The Shuttle LGA-BOS, some of the LGA-Florida/MSY markets, and some of the DTW/MSP/MEM flights are all currently operated by the A319 / A320. Opening a crew base will cut now signficantly on hotel costs for NYC and allow for additional flexibility and reliability of scheduling.

With the initial launch of new flights there is not going to be a significant amount of additional A319/A320 flying.


User currently offlineaquablue From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13698 times:

90% regional jets? I thought they had a plan to increase traffic through larger planes?

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13676 times:

Quoting aquablue (Reply 10):
90% regional jets? I thought they had a plan to increase traffic through larger planes?

A 50 seat CRJ is an increase over a 30 seat DH-8.



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User currently offlineflyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1878 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13677 times:

When they move into US Airways old terminal, are they doing major renovations to it? How many total gates will the two new terminals give Delta? Are they planning to have RJ gates at both- or will one primarily operate shuttle/mainline flights and Delta Connection flights congregating at the opposite?

Anyone have any news on crew facilities? I imagine that US Airways must have a crew operations area of some sort (even though I believe they do not maintain a current FA domicile there, possibly Flt Ops?)

Thanks!


User currently offlineaquablue From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13622 times:

I thought they were going for 70 seaters more than 50 seaters? What mainline flights are being added?

User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13538 times:
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Quoting aquablue (Reply 13):
What mainline flights are being added?

The mainline additions will be to DEN (738) and MIA (starting with M88, then switching to A320s sometime in April).


User currently offlineaquablue From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13537 times:

That's it? What about Dallas, Houston, etc?

User currently onlineSkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13515 times:

Quoting flyboy80 (Reply 12):
When they move into US Airways old terminal, are they doing major renovations to it?

My understanding is that DL will do a total makeover, plus convert the club over to a Delta Sky Club. I also heard that DL will add one additional gate/jetway but I don't know where its going to be placed.


User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1688 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13477 times:

Quoting aquablue (Reply 15):
That's it? What about Dallas, Houston, etc?

Those will be on E-Jets. Most "major" routes are receiving E-jets or CR7/CR9 equipment.


User currently onlinecokepopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1187 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13457 times:

Construction has started (connector)

User currently offlineaquablue From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13445 times:

Wow... what a disappointment. So not a proper main line hub then?

[Edited 2012-02-27 09:09:35]

User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1688 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13374 times:

Quoting aquablue (Reply 19):
Wow... what a disappointment.

I'm not sure what else was expected. They're unlikely to start most routes with larger equipment, particularly given that funding the equipment would require downgauging established routes at SLC/MSP/DTW/ATL (there is hardly any excess mainline flying at CVG/MEM to be cut).

Ideally, I'd love to see routes like LGA-DFW/IAH be served with mainline, but the E-jets are probably a reasonable starting point given that they are markets currently dominated by other carriers. If they are successful routes for DL, they can always upgauge in the future. In the mean time, the E-jet offers comfort levels virtually identical to the mainline equipment.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3535 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13374 times:

It is a disappointment.

And in all fairness, JetBlue and the use of their 8 slots all going to Florida was a disappointment too.

Saw the pile driver for the connector yesterday. Will it be a dual connector allowing transfers secure and non secure side or just secure?

Ideally the 2 terminals should be connected outside of security and the 2 gates areas should be connected inside.

Seeing the apporach DL has taken at JFK, I am sure ideal will not prevail


User currently offlineaquablue From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13341 times:

NYC airspace is basically full, and there is no demand for more mainline flights at the premium business airport?

User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2764 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13269 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 14):
The mainline additions will be to DEN (738)

By the time DL gets online with this, already into July, UA will have 5 daily n/s here, and F9 will have 4. Sometime in August, WN will get in with 2 of its own DEN/LGA n/s as well. This will push this current market from about 7-8 n/s currently with UA and F9, to about 13 per day by the end of summer.

Now, UA, F9, and then WN, will all have connects beyond DEN. DL does not. (Or maybe off-shot possibility that DL can funnel through some SLC pax here?) Maybe DL can pick up a few pax from DEN to beyond LGA smaller upstate NY or New England destinations, but a lot of the bigger destinations (BOS, PVD, MHT) there are already covered with n/s to/from DEN. So DL may benefit some on the LGA (hub) side here with few connects (?), but basically I believe this to be an O&D flight, whereas with UA, F9, and WN are also all chasing the same O&D as well, the latter three can push pax past DEN, since DEN is the farthest point out that n/s are basically allowed to go from LGA. And we do have to consider the DL, along with UA, can offer the higher class seats.

With all of that said, (and I'm glad that DL now has offered this other option), I'm just wondering if there is enough there for DL, being really the fourth wheel here (I know that they get third - in a month before WN starts, but still, considering the strength of UA, F9 and WN in DEN......) and able to make this market over the long run. Or is it with DEN, just put up the flights, and the pax will come.....?


 


User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 683 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13233 times:
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Even with the decrease in operations at DCA, how is it that DL manages to get all those aircraft for 250 daily flights just like that? This confuses me very much.


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25 mozart : I may be asking an obvious question but I havent followed these developments very closely. But what exactly is happening to terminals at LGA? Will DL
26 catiii : It makes more sense, from a yields persepctive, to run the E-Jets and the CR7/CR9 to the secondary markets and make money serving those markets rathe
27 STT757 : We've had this discussion already, these slots in the hands of WN or B6 would be a lot more beneficial to the traveling public, the Port Authority, a
28 HPRamper : It's not at 250 flights yet. And to be fair, much of that number is already there. DL had a sizable operation at LGA even before the slot swap.
29 flyboy80 : Anyone able to post a comprehensive list of Cities, Frequencies, and Equipment type during the week. Curious how the LGA schedule will look.
30 Post contains links steex : You can find the schedule after full implementation as originally proposed by DL in posts Replies 179 and 192 (provided by jetlanta)to the previous s
31 PSU.DTW.SCE : Very minor adjustments since the initial load: I think they added an additional DFW and MHT flight Reduced a IAD and BUF flight Nothing of any substan
32 OOer : I'm sorry buy LGA-DTW on a regional jet doesn't make sense. That's 1,389 miles (according to gcmap). Most American flights from LGA to DFW are also b
33 burnsie28 : There are a couple corrections to that LGA-YHZ and LGA-DAY have been moved to JFK.
34 usdcaguy : I actually think this is more of an image problem. The E175s are more comfortable in my opinion than an MD-80. The CR9s are up there as well. Not muc
35 jetlanta : If you think an E75 is a "regional jet" your head is completely in the sand. There isn't a domestic mainline aircraft that Delta flies that is more c
36 PSU.DTW.SCE : Avoiding the argument about scope and outsourcing, the E170/E175 is anything but a regional jet. A.net makes way to big a deal about "mainline"
37 CO787EWR : Agreed. A regional jet to me is something in the CRJ-200/EMB-135/145 class.
38 Post contains images catiii : Depends how you look at it. If you look at it from the standpoint of providing a comfortable 2 class product with all the comforts of a mainline M88/
39 MSPNWA : By common definition it is a regional jet. And the rest is a completely subjective statement. To me the E175 is the best of the regional jets by a la
40 Cubsrule : It is a regional jet - even Embraer thinks so (what do you think the "RJ" in ERJ-170 on the certificate stands for?). But it's a darn comfortable reg
41 B727FA : Why would pre-sec segregation be better in your mind?
42 Post contains images rwy04lga : Delta will keep terminal A and terminal D. Gates currently numbered 1-6 at terminal C will be kept for US Airways...gate 7 for Westjet...the remainin
43 jetlanta : So you'd prefer to connect or take AA? Cubs, I know damn well what it is. You understand the point I was making. Its not a "regional jet" in the sens
44 mozart : Thank you, that is very interesting. I presume the DL Shuttle-like flights to ORD will leave from the Marine Terminal?
45 OOer : I'll take an A319, A320, or 737 over an E75 any day of the week!
46 Cubsrule : No, I agree - I think you and I are on the same page. Yours was simply the easiest post to quote. I don't see how anyone who has spent any quantity o
47 william : LGA, a hub? Really? When was the last time a flight was on time at LGA? This is going to be fun.
48 TOMMY767 : I too was under the impression that when DL said they were opening a LGA "Hub" that meant more mainline flights. The only new mainline being added is
49 jetlanta : There will be more mainline flights over time, of course. But the fleet is only so big and stealing a bunch of VERY valuable mainline airplanes from
50 TOMMY767 : With the merger, UA is set with EWR. Already small regional jets are being replaced by E170s and in some cases, more mainline (EWR-BOS going to a 757
51 B727FA : RWY04, Thanks for the blue print. I see the connector tunnel airside. Am I missing something; will there be an enclosed landside connection? Thanks!
52 klwright69 : Correct me if I am wrong... Didn't hear that many many many many years ago, US was leasing the LGA terminal from CO? What was that all about?
53 TOMMY767 : That terminal was originally built for EA, which was then inherited by CO and they leased it out to US. Not sure if UA leases it out ot US or if US h
54 jfklganyc : "CR9s are up there as well." CR9 is just a stretched CRJ and is anything but comfortable. This from a man that is all of 5'9" "Why would pre-sec segre
55 catiii : To each their own I guess. I think the F product in the CR9 or the E75 is more comfortable than the M88, especially on the bulkhead.
56 MSPNWA : I'd prefer AA's mainline equipment on that route, so, yes.
57 steex : That's actually not entirely true - it's not "just" a stretched CRJ, it also has the floor moved to a different position to increase cabin width at s
58 burnsie28 : Eventually, once its built. I believe there will be shuttle buses for those connecting. Which is currently under construction and likely won't be rea
59 jfklganyc : "Some of it is out of our hands, a lot has to do with the PANYNJ and what they say Delta can or can't do." Government burecracy yes. But if Delta want
60 Polot : DL could easily get a connector both air side and street side if they wanted to. All they have to do is cough up the money and I am sure PANYNJ would
61 burnsie28 : The issue is the infrastructure already around the street side with the cabbies, also you are adding millions more to have a connector not really nee
62 PSU.DTW.SCE : A landside connector isn't that big deal, as said with the ability to connect terminals air side. I've walked many of times from Terminal D to C on th
63 STT757 : I know I'm going to be labeled a basher, but it's quite obvious DL is doing their JFK project on the cheap. There's some prudence to their thinking t
64 rwy04lga : Why would anyone dropped off at the wrong terminal choose to hike it to the correct terminal before security? Just check in as usual and then transfe
65 FlyASAGuy2005 : I think you all would benefit from looking at th ACTUAL schedule. Here's something I posted in another thread. Please note from some of the above pos
66 TOMMY767 : I count 47 ERJs for total. That is a lot right there. Of those that could support mainline: CLT, BUF, IAH, DFW, PIT, MKE, CLE, YUL, RIC And they can
67 FlyASAGuy2005 : -No current hub has mainline flights to YUL. You expect LGA to pick it up?? -In my post, I said I supported DL metal to CLT, BUF, IAH, PIT and DFW. I
68 TOMMY767 : Depends on how the O&D situation is from NYC. I'm willing to bet they would not have a problem filling up the planes. The reason I said these des
69 Post contains images mayor : I thought we were discussing LGA, not JFK?
70 STT757 : Dual hub strategy for one market.
71 mayor : Even so, how does DL trying to do JFK on the cheap have any relationship as to how they set up the LGA hub?? Enlighten me, please..........
72 FlyASAGuy2005 : All your examples has a TRUE hub for the respective airline on the other end so what is your point? The reverse can be said for many routes operated
73 SkyTeamTriStar : You'll see big changes on the ground at LaGuardia, as well, as we invest about $100 million to upgrade facilities. To accommodate customers on our exp
74 TWA85 : I think over time DL should try to domesticaly match UA/CO at EWR with mainline serivice to simialr markets and regional service to similar markets. I
75 PSU.DTW.SCE : DL can't match EWR at LGA because EWR is a full-fledged international connecting hub. LGA is primarily a going to be an O&D hub. Here are somethin
76 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : Not talking about the guy your quoting but I just have to sit back and smile when I actually see posts with actual facts..like what I tried to convey
77 HPRamper : US is still running the Shuttle to PHL. I don't think DL needs much capacity on the route. If and when US shuts down the Shuttle, then DL may have a
78 PIEAvantiP180 : US Air regularly schedules a CRJ200 on its LGA-CLT route, and that's their biggest hub. On Mon out of 13 LGA-CLT flights 3 are on CRJ, 1 is E75, and
79 jporterfi : Are there any advantages of operating A320s out of LGA as opposed to 737s? It seems like the E175 would have a lot more room than CRJs or ERJs (140 f
80 BOACCunard : Huh? I don't think US has ever considered LGA-PHL a Shuttle route. Shuttle is LGA-BOS/DCA and DCA-BOS only.
81 LOWS : Has there every been a discussion about a rail link between LGA and JFK? Something to make connections possible between LGA-JFK?
82 FLYjoe : Also remember the RJs are solely going between CLT-LGA, but flowing through LGA. I flew an E75 last week from CLT-LGA and the departure board at my g
83 usdcaguy : Given the fact that thousands, if not millions of people live between LGA and JFK, it is not realistic to build a direct rail line between LGA and JF
84 STT757 : During the early-mid '90s the Port Authority had a JFK 2000 plan, the public transportation portion would have included a dedicated light rail line f
85 TOMMY767 : No what I mean was I don't see why DL is operating PHL-LGA and IAD-LGA to begin with. They could use those slots better. Right but what I'm saying is
86 BOACCunard : Because those are important destinations?
87 DeltAirlines : Because they feel there is sufficient traffic there. IAD-LGA is far enough that it can have some decent O&D traffic. Plus, both IAD and PHL will
88 GSPSPOT : Agreed! I thought that was why "widebody" a/c were developed way back when in the first place. But to your point, I agree that fewer, higher-capacity
89 aquablue : What if all those small markets can't support larger planes?
90 PIEAvantiP180 : PHL and IAD are there for connectivity in the hub, like up state NY and New Englund thru LGA to those destinations and beyond. DL has decided they wa
91 HPRamper : Ahem. Not Shuttle...but "shuttle." Flights practically every half hour is basically a shuttle. Minus the brand name. They only have half the country
92 FlyASAGuy2005 : You think the airlines WANT to be flying 7x daily AVL-ATL on CR2s and the like? Or 9x ORD-MSP on CR9s? It would be so much cheaper to consolidate tho
93 SkyTeamTriStar : Technically speaking, I really don't have a good enough answer. But, I've always loved the 737. And the A320 family has grown on me ever since DL has
94 burnsie28 : To add to that, if you only offered 5x 763, chances are that wouldn't last long as we would see fewer travelers because they need the certain times w
95 TOMMY767 : Why on earth would someone living in IAD or PHL connect in delay prone LGA on E145 aircraft in connecting up to New England? That would be so dumb co
96 PIEAvantiP180 : Its called cheap connecting tickets and the average Joe does not have a single clue on how delay prone LGA is. Usually last minute non stop flights a
97 FlyASAGuy2005 : - Seems like the MDs and 320s are usually thru a/c versus the 75s that are just turns. Its jun to look at a/c routing on DeltaNet for LGA-ATL you will
98 EricR : The reason is because N/S options, while more convenient, are generally much more expensive from fortress hubs.
99 GSPSPOT : I remember flying into LGA on DL L1011s.... Man, that was cool!
100 FlyPNS1 : The problem is that DL will bleed red ink on these connections. Short-haul flights on high-CASM RJ's in congested, delay prone airspace with low-yiel
101 PIEAvantiP180 : I agree. I was just pointing out on why they do it. to provide connectivity in the north east traffic flows and beyond, for o and d when ever they ca
102 aquablue : The perimeter rule should be lifted. Is it for noise? Then, restrict aircraft size rather than distance.
103 aquablue : The perimeter rule should be lifted. Is it for noise? Then, restrict aircraft size rather than distance.
104 HPRamper : I thought it was to artificially restrict traffic so the airport doesn't become as congested as it might theoretically become, as the "preferred" air
105 FlyASAGuy2005 : The congestion is controlled via slots. The perimeter rule was set to protect JFK just like DCA vs IAD. Silly...I say let the free market work.
106 HPRamper : It is silly. Let's build a new airport and then basically give it a vote of no confidence by heaping restrictions on the old one. Seriously. Leave th
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