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UA To Start ORD-SRQ In Nov 12  
User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 9
Posted (2 years 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 9271 times:

From the Press Release:

CHICAGO, Feb. 27, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines today announced plans to launch daily nonstop service between its hub at Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD) and Sarasota, Fla. (SRQ) effective Nov. 4, 2012.

The once-daily service will operate using Boeing 737-800 aircraft with 154 seats -- 16 in United First, 48 in Economy Plus and 90 in Economy.


Great addition, but wouldn't EWR-SRQ and IAH-SRQ service seem to follow? This would be the only Florida mainline city without service to IAH and EWR.

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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 9214 times:

This was what I was advocating when FL pulled out, but expected an A319. Let's hope they add an E70 from IAH too. I'm guessing they won't go from IAD (or even EWR) while US flies out of Charlotte, but one never knows.

I would hope that this flight is timed to connect from the West. CO used to RON their flight from IAH in some seasons for better connections from the West.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6838 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 9194 times:

Boom. My crystal ball says IAD-FLL/PBI are to follow.


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User currently offlineSulley From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 536 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 9142 times:

I knew this was coming... now - IAH/EWR or IAD to SRQ, please.

ORD-PBI would be nice as well.

[Edited 2012-02-27 09:50:50]


In thrust we trust!
User currently offlinesaloman From Canada, joined Jun 2011, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 9140 times:

Great news - getting to SRQ from western Canada was generally very difficult/expensive.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 9095 times:

Great news, but they also need to bring back EWR-SRQ.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 9073 times:

Quoting Sulley (Reply 3):
ORD-PBI would be nice as well.

They already launched that route. CO flt# 1149, daily ORD-PBI with a 737-800.



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User currently offlineORD14R From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 9054 times:

Wow, great add.

Are incentives involved here from SRQ? Also, I know CO was in SRQ not too long ago, but anybody know when UA last pulled out? I have vague childhood memories of flying ORD-SRQ on UA 732s and 733s (was always real excited back then to get the 733), must have been early to mid 90's at the latest. I don't think anybody else has flown ORD-SRQ since UA pulled out, correct? (MDW-SRQ is another story).


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2460 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 9054 times:

The West Coast of Florida typically sees a lot of tourists from the Midwest and that market is not nearly as competitive as the Northeast to FL (both sides of the state). It's an interesting choice but one that certainly makes some sense.

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 8972 times:

Quoting saloman (Reply 4):
Great news - getting to SRQ from western Canada was generally very difficult/expensive.

Replace SRQ with literally any airport in the US and that sentence probably still holds true. [sigh]


User currently offlineSulley From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 536 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 8974 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 6):
They already launched that route. CO flt# 1149, daily ORD-PBI with a 737-800.

Oh, yeah. Derp.

I've been on the new FLL-ORD service - it was weird not flying CO into EWR, IAH, or CLE 



In thrust we trust!
User currently offlinenjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 8858 times:

Think FLL/PBI-IAD was run for a lil a year ago or so...and dropped. I don't get how one or two daily FLL-IAD flights can't work.


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5196 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 8803 times:

The Boyd Group has some insight on the UA ORD-SRQ flight:

http://www.aviationplanning.com/HotFlash.htm



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5293 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 8788 times:

The interesting thing is that the Chicago White Sox had spring training for many years at Sarasota. They left for Arizona in 1998. This may explain why UA hasn't flown this route for some time.

User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6838 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 8788 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 12):

Interesting how the Boyd Group said the flight would be operated by a 319



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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 8694 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 12):
The Boyd Group has some insight on the UA ORD-SRQ flight:

http://www.aviationplanning.com/HotF...h.htm

Is that the same Boyd group who thinks AA's bankruptcy would be all roses and peaches ?


User currently offlineolddominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 8606 times:

Isn't the UA flight ORD-SRQ seasonal anyway? Or am I thinking of maybe RSW? I thought I had seen this run before?

User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2229 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 8405 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 12):
The Boyd Group has some insight on the UA ORD-SRQ flight:

http://www.aviationplanning.com/HotFlash.htm

But what is the big issue? WN flies MDW-TPA and MDW-RSW. It's not like they're completely abandoning the Florida west coast and leaving it to be lapped up by competition. SRQ falls in the dead center of both TPA and RSW. Whatever traffic heading to SRQ from Chicago can be routed through those two destinations, or just really isn't high-yielding enough worth chasing.

Southwest knows which markets are better for its business model and clearly, the yields on FL's MDW-SRQ operation weren't impressive enough to keep around.

These are natural, and inevitable, decisions that come about in a merger. Of course UA will go for this lower-hanging fruit, but does it really worth throwing out jargon such as "paradigm shift" between LCC and legacy carrier market share trends when most people would hardly consider SRQ a "substantial market?" Not to offend anyone, but it is primarily leisure-driven. It wasn't even a former Southwest market - it was inherited as part of the merger and is an asset they can freely shed if it won't generate revenue.

If WN pulled out of MDWLGA or MDWBOS and left it to the legacy competition, then I would see a lot more cause for concern.

[Edited 2012-02-27 12:24:29]


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6557 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 8059 times:

The one thing I find surprising is that this is being announced so early.......but then again, maybe it's to thwart NK or B6

Quoting ORD14R (Reply 7):
anybody know when UA last pulled out?
UA pulled out in December 1994

Quoting ORD14R (Reply 7):
I have vague childhood memories of flying ORD-SRQ on UA 732s and 733s (was always real excited back then to get the 733

Heck, I can remeber when UA flew SRQ-PIT and SRQ-CLE.

Quoting ORD14R (Reply 7):
I don't think anybody else has flown ORD-SRQ since UA pulled out, correct?

Incorrect. American Eagle flew weekends only SRQ-ORD briefly around 1999-2000 with ERJs, cant remember which type.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 15):
Is that the same Boyd group who thinks AA's bankruptcy would be all roses and peaches ?

Same Boyd Group that predicted WN would keep SRQ

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 17):
Not to offend anyone

Too late.

the first time that a legacy carrier has entered a substantial market abandoned by an LCC.

720,000 is not substantial? Granted its not MIA, LAX, PHL.....but there are plenty of places smaller.

And it wasn't dropped by Southwest because of lack of traffic - but, according to WN, because of the carrier's operational costs.

So, that would be WN's fault, not SRQ's, correct?

But then Boyd Group says:
They are in business to make money, and they make business decisions accordingly. It's the main reason that Southwest has prospered for over 40 years. No point in staying at a destination that can't generate dollars to their bottom line.

So I dont know exactly what you are complaining about.

The service being eliminated isn't just some one-flight-per-day drop in the bucket. It encompasses approximately 370,000 annual passengers generating over $47.3 million in revenues. This includes nearly 120,000 local O&D passengers that AirTran is carrying annually to Chicago/MDW, with average load factors in the 80% range, and all-up passenger revenue yields somewhere near 14.5 cents.

So, no other carrier is allowed to come in & pick up this traffic???

I just checked DL, and it looks like they are bringing back SRQ-LGA in December, responding to B6.......although, they'll make it out to be because of new slots. 

[Edited 2012-02-27 15:59:58]


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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2229 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 7953 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 18):
So I dont know exactly what your problem is.

I think you're reading way too much into my reaction.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 18):
720,000 is not substantial? Granted its not MIA, LAX, PHL.....but there are plenty of places smaller.

And just like MIA, LAX, PHL, and the plenty of places that are smaller, all have undergone cuts, reductions, the whole nine yards made by both legacy carriers and LCCs. It's the cyclical nature of the industry.

Once again, I don't see what the earth-shattering news is here for SRQ.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 7866 times:

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Thread starter):

CHICAGO, Feb. 27, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines today announced plans to launch daily nonstop service between its hub at Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD) and Sarasota, Fla. (SRQ) effective Nov. 4, 2012.

Damn, they're about eight months late (for me); I'm booked BWI-SRQ on FL in about two weeks and gladly would've taken a roundabout detour through ORD for a family visit and mileage run.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 12):
The Boyd Group has some insight on the UA ORD-SRQ flight:

http://www.aviationplanning.com/HotF...h.htm

If this is how you choose to interpret it, then awesome, it's about time someone stuck it to WN!

777fan



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User currently offlineandytb77 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 7745 times:

Quoting ORD14R (Reply 7):
Are incentives involved here from SRQ?

Yes:
United will receive a series of incentives from Sarasota-Bradenton, including $200,000 the first year and $100,000 the second year to set up and market the service, plus a $7 cut on departing passenger fees the first year. Piccolo said that is the standard incentive package being offered to any new or expanding airline.

Quote from this article from the Sarasota Herald Tribune:
SRQ" target="_blank">http://www.heraldtribune.com/article...s-adds-service-to-Chicago-from-SRQ

Another interesting thing in the article is that they will be picking up some of the rent that CO owed from their departure in 2008 that is owed through 2013.

I personally am very happy to see this service return to ORD. I still prefer flying into ORD over MDW.

[Edited 2012-02-27 17:40:20]

User currently offlineandytb77 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 7714 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 18):
Quoting ORD14R (Reply 7):
I don't think anybody else has flown ORD-SRQ since UA pulled out, correct?

Incorrect. American Eagle flew weekends only SRQ-ORD briefly around 1999-2000 with ERJs, cant remember which type.

Also USA3000 flew some seasonal flights SRQ-ORD a few years back.


User currently offlineSYfan100 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

For those who don't want to fly into Tampa or Fort Myers it is a perfect destination! There seems to be a group of people that live in between Tampa and Fort Myers during the winter.
They would prefer more chances to fly in and out of Sarasota because it is more closer to where they live compared to Tampa and Fort Myers in the overall end.


User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months ago) and read 6203 times:
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My grandmother used to live about halfway between SRQ and RSW (a little bit closer to SRQ) and RSW was always cheaper.


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25 billreid : You are missing the point. WN can not manage the 120,000 SRQ-MDW pax profitably out of SRQ. Yet UA can? Good for UA their costs are now below WN. The
26 Cubsrule : What evidence do you have that UA's yields ex-ORD are the same as WN's ex-MDW. If that's the case, why isn't UA still in MDW-DEN/IAD? Why isn't AA st
27 TWA1985 : My neighbor worked for EA and was based in Chicago. She worked the ORD-SRQ-ORD flight often. In late '85 the route was taged onto RSW with a routing s
28 CODC10 : A number of airlines tagged SRQ to TPA or RSW, at least on certain frequencies. CO, UA, EA, DL did at different points, I believe.
29 FlyPNS1 : False. You also ignore that UA will face a significant increase in labor costs as they try to integrate their labor groups. False, WN will connect pa
30 IndyWA : Oh yes, a lot of them did. My Aunt and Uncle lived in SRQ and when I was young I would go there for a few weeks every summer. They'd dump me off at t
31 Post contains links Pe@rson : Interesting stats: In the past year an estimated 3.94 million passengers flew between Florida and Chicago O’Hare. Approximately 2.67 million of thes
32 EWRkid1990 : I actually flew EWR-SRQ in 1999 on a 737-500. The flight was full, and I remember in 2003 hearing a boarding call for an EWR-SRQ flight while waiting
33 STT757 : They've done both JFK-RSW-SRQ and LGA-RSW-SRQ,
34 CODC10 : Fall 2008, IIRC, as part of a major domestic service cutback in response to high fuel prices.
35 billreid : What are you babbling about? What does MDW-IAD/DEN have to do with this???? AA, MDW-DFW??? Next we'll bring up DXB-LHR? Reality is that FL SRQ-MDW wa
36 Post contains links Atrude777 : Bill.. Kelly has NEVER said they will dismantle the ATL Hub by 45% or take away ALL connecting. Kelly said they will draw down the Hub to focus more
37 Cubsrule : You talk about costs, but you ignore the fact that ORD yields (i.e. revenue) are generally higher than MDW yields. If UA can make $100,000 of revenue
38 FlyPNS1 : False. He never said that...you made it up. If WN was planning on only O&D, they wouldn't launch markets like SDF-ATL or ORF-ATL. These markets (
39 727LOVER : I believe this thread is about UA starting SRQ..........why are we talking about WN????????
40 billreid : The reason UA took up the CHI route is that SRQ-MDW was yielding dramatically than any other FL route. And they believe that their ORD yields are abo
41 Cubsrule : That's not really the right question, though. How do you know it was yielding enough?
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