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When Will Aeroflot Retire The IL-96?  
User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1996 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11054 times:

Does anyone know when Aeroflot will retire the last IL-96 from service?

(AFAIK they have several orders for widebodies and I guess the new planes have better fuel efficiency for a similar capacity, so the most reasonable move should be the retirement of this 4 engined gas guzzler.)

Any info will be appreciated.

Rgds.,

G.


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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10957 times:

Honestly, I thought it was supposed to be retired at least a year ago, maybe two... Long ago, at any rate.

From an enthusiast's standpoint it's a cool airplane, but it is thoroughly anachronistic in the fleet of a modern global airline. I don't even think SU has IFE on these birds, though I'm pretty sure CU has it on its examples.



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User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 628 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10792 times:

Just out of curiosity, how bad is their fuel burn compared to say, the 767/777 or A330/340? I've seen/read numerous times about how they are complete gas hogs (and the Il-86 was even worse), but I'm just curious  

User currently offlinekevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10465 times:

I guess once they start taking deliveries of their ordered aircraft 777-787-350 they will be gradulally phasing out IL-96s and B-767s.

User currently offlineebj1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10158 times:

Does the IL-96 have any potential as a freighter conversion? Would the conversion cost be prohibitive and, assuming the conversion cost isn't too high, would it be cost effective to use the airplane as a freighter?


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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10120 times:

I always thought SU keeps the IL96 for political reasons as they are required to have a certain number of Russian build aircraft in their fleet, or am I wrong on this one ?


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User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1029 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10055 times:

Quoting columba (Reply 5):
I always thought SU keeps the IL96 for political reasons as they are required to have a certain number of Russian build aircraft in their fleet, or am I wrong on this one ?

You are absolutely correct. Thats why they also Ordered the Superjet 100.

But how bad is the IL-96's fuel burn compared to say... A330/340 or even 767?



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3837 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9788 times:

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 1):
I don't even think SU has IFE on these birds, though I'm pretty sure CU has it on its examples.

Negative, CU don't have any IFE on their IL96. They will fly you 10+ hours without any TV or even audio. Happened to me last week.

Soren   



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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1670 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9700 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 7):
Negative, CU don't have any IFE on their IL96. They will fly you 10+ hours without any TV or even audio. Happened to me last week.

So I guess you had more than enough time to write a trip report?  



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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9634 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 7):
Negative, CU don't have any IFE on their IL96. They will fly you 10+ hours without any TV or even audio. Happened to me last week.

Hmm, OK. I was pretty sure I saw photos of a CU Il-96 cabin with IFE but maybe not. Or maybe they're not all the same.

So when do we get to read the TR?  



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9490 times:
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Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 7):
Negative, CU don't have any IFE on their IL96. They will fly you 10+ hours without any TV or even audio. Happened to me last week.

Hi Soren,

What routing did you fly and can we expect a trip report?  


Take care,

SA7700



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3837 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9423 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 8):
So I guess you had more than enough time to write a trip report?
Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 9):
So when do we get to read the TR?
Quoting SA7700 (Reply 10):
What routing did you fly and can we expect a trip report?

It was on Cubana's MAD-HAV service.

Great to see so much interest in a TR! I'll write one right after I finish the even more interesting report about a domestic flight on an AN24 in Cuba last week. I'll keep you informed!

Soren   



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9383 times:
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Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 11):
It was on Cubana's MAD-HAV service.

Brilliant! It sounds like an unforgettable experience and trip of a lifetime - I can hardly wait for that trip report. 

Thanks and take care,

SA7700



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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1670 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9362 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 11):
Great to see so much interest in a TR! I'll write one right after I finish the even more interesting report about a domestic flight on an AN24 in Cuba last week. I'll keep you informed!

Something to look out for, thanks a lot Birdwatching!  

I really like the shape of th IL-96, pity she isn't more popular.



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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9345 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 11):
Great to see so much interest in a TR! I'll write one right after I finish the even more interesting report about a domestic flight on an AN24 in Cuba last week. I'll keep you informed!

I am really looking forward to that.

My best friend is in Cuba for the next ~4 months but flying exotic aircraft is not as high priority for him as it would be for me, but if he does take domestic flights it is my job to find the most interesting ones. I will definitely send this to him once you've written it.  



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User currently offlinemcogator From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8969 times:

These planes look so disproportionate with the length of the fuselage compared to the width. Then you have the engines which look too close together.


Here is a video of one landing at SVO.
http://youtu.be/BFuFA5u--H4


User currently offlineworkhorse From France, joined Jul 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8824 times:

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 2):
Just out of curiosity, how bad is their fuel burn compared to say, the 767/777 or A330/340? I've seen/read numerous times about how they are complete gas hogs (and the Il-86 was even worse), but I'm just curious

I don't have the numbers, but from what has been told on various Russian aviation forums, the fuel consumption per se is not that bad. The main problem is the cost of maintenance. With such a small fleet of IL-96's flying, the supply chain for spare parts is very weak so SU has to keep a huge stock of spare parts on their own, at a price.

As for passenger comfort, indeed, they don't have in-seat IFE, but the seats themselves are quite comfortable (especially after the refurbishment SU has made some years ago), and the seat pitch is generous.


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User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8509 times:

If you fly J on those birds, do you get a handheld IFE device? I would find it hard to believe they would sell a medium/long haul flight J ticket without some form of IFE....

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User currently offlineflashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2903 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7966 times:
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Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 9):
Hmm, OK. I was pretty sure I saw photos of a CU Il-96 cabin with IFE but maybe not. Or maybe they're not all the same

Well, according to this video I found on YouTube, there are provisions for IFE (aisle-mounted LCD panels) on at least some of their IL-96 fleet, but as seen in the video, they weren't powered up. So the answer may be both yes (they have IFE) and no (they don't use it).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mbv4Ez-Mzw&feature=related


User currently offlinewillyknut From Norway, joined Apr 2010, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7178 times:

Hi,
Not sure about the fuel economy on the IL-96, but don't thinks it is too bad. I flew it twice back in april-2009 from Moscow(SVO) to Bangkok (08:30) and Hanoi - Moscow(SVO) in 10:25, quite a long trip westbound.
Perm PS-90 engines, same as Tu-204, and I will guess around 1500-1750kg/h per engine at cruise?
Nice, comfy ride, I was in business-class. No IFE as such, but you had the option of a hand-held device with movies etc.
I did not take it, flying the IL-96 was enough entertainment! (plus a good book..)
As far as i know, also the only 4-engine A/C apart from the A380 that never had a crash..?

Rgds, Willy


User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8201 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6974 times:

Quoting willyknut (Reply 19):
As far as i know, also the only 4-engine A/C apart from the A380 that never had a crash..?

The A340 has never had a fatal crash, Air France (who else) wrote one off in Toronto in summer 05 but managed not kill anyone.

And actually the Il-86 never killed a passenger, just had that one accident on a positioning flight in 2002 which killed most of the crew; no passengers onboard.

Does the 747SP count? Or the 747-300?



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User currently offlinea300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5946 times:
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Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 6):
Thats why they also Ordered the Superjet 100

By all accounts, the SSJ is quite a capable and competitive aircraft. I doubt that they were bought for purely "political" reasons. In fact, SU seems to be ordering more of them, including some of the prototypes.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10818 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5851 times:

Quoting willyknut (Reply 19):
As far as i know, also the only 4-engine A/C apart from the A380 that never had a crash..?

A340 also never had a fatal accident, all big accidents of the A330/340-family have been with twinjets.


User currently offlinebrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

The CEO of SU once commented that they could give SU more IL-96 free and it would still be less economical to operate than the western types.


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User currently offlinetu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1256 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5525 times:

Quoting a300 (Reply 21):
y all accounts, the SSJ is quite a capable and competitive aircraft. I doubt that they were bought for purely "political" reasons. In fact, SU seems to be ordering more of them, including some of the prototypes.

True, however their first 5 planes are going to be replaced with newer SSJ's down the line as per a clause in the contract. They ended up not fully meeting the grandiose promises of Sukhoi in terms of performance. (Although this is absolutely normal for an airliner that the first frames are a little worse in terms of performance than later ones.)
But right now SU doesn't really care and want to take all the frames they can get to boost capacity.



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25 Post contains links AirGabon : CU has even exterior camera on the nose landing-gear! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKgfsXiEBjs&feature=related
26 transaeroyyz : what other planes/airlines have this feature? its great..
27 TimRees : Saw RA-95006 at Goa a week ago (23.02.12) operating a charter from Moscow. Obviously used on charters or less business conscious routes. They did visi
28 Post contains links 777fan : Hmmm, this video implies that the LCD screens are at least in place. Clearly, however, you can see that they're not in use. Overall, looks like a pre
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