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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8659 times:

With the launch of Virgin Atlantic's new A330-300 G-VRAY in April - with 3 class cabin set up, does anyone think we will see a launch livery like this one .....



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[Edited 2012-02-27 18:09:48]


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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8646 times:
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I didn't even know they joined Star Alliance.


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User currently offlinevirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8620 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 1):
I didn't even know they joined Star Alliance.

They haven't yet - I am just putting it out there for discussion .....

I think Star Alliance would definately be their first choice - they already code share with 9 members & with Singapore Airlines owning 49% in VS - it would be the logical choice ....



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User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8502 times:

I would guess that if any Virgin airline joins an alliance, they will all join at the same time. At one stage it looked like Star was the logical choice but VA appears to have entered partnerships with a number of airlines without any clear pattern. They currently have partnerships with:

NZ (Star) Joint venture on Trans-Tasman as well as NZ owning equity in VAH.
SQ (Star) Joint venture on a number of Asian services but not Europe
EY (No Alliance) Extensive codeshare on European services and likelihood of EY acquiring equity in domestic VA.
DL (Skyteam) Joint venture on Trans-Pacific
HA (No alliance) Partnership between Australia and Hawaii



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8502 times:

Well, in any case, joining Star Alliance takes time, so it will definitely not be a launch livery. But in any case, I hope you are right, some people complain that Star Alliance becomes too big, but as a predominantly star alliance flyer, I say the more the merrier.

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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2766 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8373 times:

Quoting virgincrew (Thread starter):
With the launch of Virgin Atlantic's new A330-300 G-VRAY in April - with 3 class cabin set up, does anyone think we will see a launch livery like this one .....

Nice pic......

And if they do join *A, I think DEN needs to be the first destination of this plane. The traffic's there, and the new UA/CO had a seasonal flight, but then stopped it because they thought that they could make more $$$$ elsewhere, so...... But it would be perfect for this plane.

  

[Edited 2012-02-27 19:06:08]

User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8333 times:

looks so nice, think you should forward the pic to VS and get SRB and them thinking more! would be a nice fit into Star!!


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User currently offlinePezySPU From Croatia, joined Dec 2011, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7472 times:

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 3):

NZ (Star) Joint venture on Trans-Tasman as well as NZ owning equity in VAH.
SQ (Star) Joint venture on a number of Asian services but not Europe
EY (No Alliance) Extensive codeshare on European services and likelihood of EY acquiring equity in domestic VA.
DL (Skyteam) Joint venture on Trans-Pacific
HA (No alliance) Partnership between Australia and Hawaii

Well, still looks like 2:1 for Star... Could VA replace DL JV with UA?


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 884 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7040 times:

Quoting PezySPU (Reply 7):
Well, still looks like 2:1 for Star... Could VA replace DL JV with UA?

VA/DL JV is valid for 3 years. I would imagine anything material would not happen at least after 3 years.

What did VA see in DL that UA couldn't offer?


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31414 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7026 times:
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Quoting PezySPU (Reply 7):
Could VA replace DL JV with UA?
Quoting xiaotung (Reply 8):
VA/DL JV is valid for 3 years. I would imagine anything material would not happen at least after 3 years.

UA has a JV (or something similar) with LH for TATL, but they could have two, I guess, or just create one for LHR/MAN.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6913 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
UA has a JV (or something similar) with LH for TATL, but they could have two, I guess, or just create one for LHR/MAN.

We're talking trans-pacific here. DL and Virgin Australia have a joint venture, not VS. Virgin Australia was mentioned as many believe that if one Virgin airline joins star, then the rest do as well.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31414 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6815 times:
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Quoting CXfirst (Reply 10):
We're talking trans-pacific here. DL and Virgin Australia have a joint venture, not VS. Virgin Australia was mentioned as many believe that if one Virgin airline joins star, then the rest do as well.

A JV between UA and VA, or even UA, VA and NZ, could work.

Was not UA and NH working on a JV?


User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6289 times:

Whatever VS does I hope it does it fast.

It's about time they conceded to the inevitable instead of just moaning about it.

Who knows...maybe then even I'll start taking them seriously !

  



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6226 times:

I think Virgin Group will just end up forming their own alliance - then cherrypicking the best fits amongst the non-aligned carriers out there, ie: EY.

VS, Virgin Australia, Virgin America, Etihad, perhaps Air Hong Kong/Hainan? 9W?

Could work.



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User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6144 times:

I am not so sure VS is that great a fit to Star. Out of LHR, their back yard what do they bring to thr table. TATL is pretty much covered by UA. Sure VS has JFK but thats no enough to be accepted by an alliance alone and of course UA are at EWR. Going East from LHR, again, what do they offer thats not covered in terms of major destinations and would have Star jumping for them.

I think if VS had to go with any alliance ST would make more sense, so they could buddy up with DL and form quite an operation at LHR to start with.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

VS going east from LHR they have routes to Japan, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Beijing will follow next year, and they seem to be making themselves known at MAN with there A330's so when BD dies this year this would be a great fit for STAR with an English airline in the group, they can't really leave that gap screwed because BD dies.


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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 8):
What did VA see in DL that UA couldn't offer?

UA's reputation in Australia is poisonous. Even people on lowish incomes saving for their first trip to Disneyland look down on the idea of spending 26 hours in Economy class on the only carrier with no seatback video. United survive only by virtue of their locked-in contracts in the USA which fill many of the seats, but their share of the Australian market is very much the Ryanair end of the market.

Borghetti has been trying to nudge Virgin upmarket, not for the glory but because the profits are higher in higher-yielding demographics. Delta has a decent trans-Pacific product, whereas United's reputation could not be lower at the Australian end. And that's why United SYD-LAX in Business Class is locked in at less than $4900 return with corporate contracts, whereas Qantas corporate rates are just over $6000 and Virgin's are the same.


User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5858 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 15):

VS going east from LHR they have routes to Japan, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Beijing will follow next year, and they seem to be making themselves known at MAN with there A330's so when BD dies this year this would be a great fit for STAR with an English airline in the group, they can't really leave that gap screwed because BD dies.

I am not sure why you think BD ceasing means VS needs to join Star. If anything as is clear, BD ceasing means VS needs an alliance more than prehaps an alliance needs it. Of the three routes you have named above, only one, Shanghal is not offered non stop from LHR on current Star carriers. Again, I reiterate VS IMHO does not bring much to the Star table, especially at LHR.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5781 times:

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 14):

I am not so sure VS is that great a fit to Star.

Perhaps, but I tend to look at Virgin in a broader view, with VA/DJ and perhaps VX as well. If Star see it as a package deal, they might want to get back into the Australian market, after the loss of Ansett. NZ wouldn't be against it, as VA are already a partner. Seeing as the Australian economy is quite strong as well, the alliances might be quite interested into getting an Australian carrier.

That does not rule out Skyteam either, they could benefit from an Australian partner as well. So in the case of the package deal, I would think both alliances would be interested in Virgin. As for Virgin themselves, I think they would benefit personally from Star more, especially VA, as it could mean a loss of the close partnership of NZ, and the partnership with SQ which was seen locally as a great partnership depicting Virgin's move into the premium market.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

The truth is that any alliance would be in a very powerful position to dictate terms to the bearded billionaire, not vice versa.

User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5597 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
VS, Virgin Australia, Virgin America, Etihad, perhaps Air Hong Kong/Hainan? 9W?

A Virgin alliance is something that sounds great in theory but in realty would be worthless; the synergy between the Virgin Airlines is just not strong enough to carry an alliance (VX for example, flies mostly to cities that VS already flies to as well, and has poorly positioned hubs for domestic connections). No European presence sans LHR, a worthless domestic US presence, let alone the rest of North America, virtually no presence in South America and Africa. Why would ET, 9W, Hainan Group choose that over an existing alliance?


User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2104 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5373 times:

I'm sure LH will welcome VS to Star Alliance with open arms!


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User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

Quoting virgincrew (Thread starter):
With the launch of Virgin Atlantic's new A330-300 G-VRAY in April - with 3 class cabin set up, does anyone think we will see a launch livery like this one .....

That looks pretty good! Bet that would look even better on one of the 747's!



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User currently offlinestaralliance85 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5224 times:

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 21):

I'm sure LH will welcome VS to Star Alliance with open arms!


If that were the case LH wouldn't be going full steam ahead with IAG for BD.



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User currently offlinesxb From France, joined Sep 2008, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5218 times:

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 21):
I'm sure LH will welcome VS to Star Alliance with open arms!

Yep, that's exactly why LH slapped VS in the face with BD... a warm welcome.



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User currently offlinemikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5169 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 19):
The truth is that any alliance would be in a very powerful position to dictate terms to the bearded billionaire, not vice versa.

I'd almost pay good money to listen to that conversation.



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