PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93 Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12136 times:
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FlightGlobal are reporting a new order for the 77W
China Southern Airlines has agreed to acquire 10 Boeing 777-300ERs, the first time this specific type has been selected by the carrier.
The Guangzhou-based carrier said it would purchase the aircraft, the list price for which is $298 million apiece, and take delivery in stages from 2013-16.
China Southern will become a new operator of the type and it appears they are new orders and not UFOs, it does not mention if the order awaits approval from the Chinese Government.
ba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8263 posts, RR: 56 Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11411 times:
Makes sense, they need a bridge between the 772's and A380.
I flew on one of this A380's this week, least than a quarter full on the PEK-CAN sector, that said there are multiple flights on this route daily, I suspect these are more for staff training before Intl routes start in ernest.
CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 63 Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11289 times:
Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 4): Makes sense, they need a bridge between the 772's and A380.
I flew on one of this A380's this week, least than a quarter full on the PEK-CAN sector, that said there are multiple flights on this route daily, I suspect these are more for staff training before Intl routes start in ernest.
What was the hard product like?
Where are they deploying them? Assume SFO and LAX - will do great on there.
They havent started LHR yet but I'd guess we'll see A332 then 77W and hopefully A388 when they do. Nicer livery than MU and CA I think.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
- Y seating was fine, legroom seemed generous, all in all fine though no charging points or USB points in economy.
The JCL product looked a but 'plastic' and not that roomy, I might be wrong if sat in it, but passing past I was distinctly unimpressed.
There will be a TR with pictures up in a week or so, need to find the time, flying back tomorrow.
Re intl routes, I would expect CDG first, possibly LAX next, though they don't have daily service so this would be a significant capacity increase, not sure if they could fill them unless on cheap connections within the asian region.
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7343 posts, RR: 7 Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10691 times:
This is probably a replacement for their current 772 fleet. Instead of updating older planes they will have new A380's and 77W's with the same J and F products.
B2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 680 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10621 times:
Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 4): I flew on one of this A380's this week, least than a quarter full on the PEK-CAN sector, that said there are multiple flights on this route daily, I suspect these are more for staff training before Intl routes start in ernest.
Partly because those seats with A380 are only sold at full price, wherewas other flights are sold at discounts.
there are rumors them ordering 5 additional 380's. The question is where are they deploying them to. In the near term the 380s are or will be flying between PEK, PVG, CAN, and HKG. what a shame, with only 1/4 full.
olddominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 336 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10443 times:
na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9605 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10388 times:
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 7):
This is probably a replacement for their current 772 fleet.
Likely, CZs 772s are among the oldest around and more than once were described as being in rather bad condition, also the airline wanted to sell them some time ago already, raising no interest. Those 77Ws will be for replacement, but also for growth.
Quoting B2443 (Reply 8): what a shame, with only 1/4 full.
??? Then even a A332 would be too big, not to speak of 77Ws.
B2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 680 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10304 times:
Quoting na (Reply 10): ??? Then even a A332 would be too big, not to speak of 77Ws.
Like I said the 380 seats are sold at full price, whereas the 332's and 777's are sold at discounts. Therefore 332 and 777's wouldn't been too big. If the 380 seats were sold with discounts, it wouldn't be too 'big' either.
as739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5819 posts, RR: 23 Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9886 times:
boeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 57 Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9723 times:
Very cool, are they looking at expanding long haul service? I know they got the a380 for that currnetly and fly what 2-3 of them with (5) on order.
Are they going to start SFO, ORD, JFK, or IAH finally?
pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2046 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9628 times:
There is a rumour of Toronto service after the recent trade deals between Canada and China. It was also called a connecting flight so could be YYZ to YVR. I know trade is expanding but a lot of lift is coming on pretty quickly so I am a bit skeptical it is more than a rumour.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26697 posts, RR: 83 Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8643 times:
Quoting Bthebest (Reply 3): It said there were substantial discounts - could this include some sort of compensation for 787 delays?
Substantial discounts are the industry norm, now.
Also, CZ has delayed delivery of their 787s by their own choice, so Boeing arguably should owe them no additional compensation.
boeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 57 Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6861 times:
Polot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1497 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6709 times:
kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2208 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5840 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 15): Also, CZ has delayed delivery of their 787s by their own choice, so Boeing arguably should owe them no additional compensation.
There are a few 787s in PAE that are in the CZ livery. Will those be delivered to another airline then?
laca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3749 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4406 times:
I'd think the LAX route would go 787 first but if they have delayed delivery of their birds, we won't be seeing that. I've heard their LAX market doesn't do very well. Their soft products are not good, below average from what I understand.
ZKCIF From Lithuania, joined Oct 2010, 225 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3770 times:
Quoting HDA212 (Reply 21): Good that they finally filled the gap between the old 772ERs and the new A380s. Thank God they didn't go with HU's choice of aircraft, the A346
nicoeddf From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 1051 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3532 times:
Quoting ZKCIF (Reply 23): What is wrong with Hainan's 346?
Yeah - actually the most comfortable a/c to fly in, imho.
Obsequium amicus, veritas odium parit!
25 HDA212: The A346 wouldn't really be the most effective aircraft for their operation...
26 TeamInTheSky: I would hope for ATL, but DL is already struggling on PVG and PEK, very doubtful they will bring in other carriers to serve that route
27 laca773: Perhaps they are looking at economics and fuel efficiency at this point in which the 77W does much better.
28 mogandoCI: No SkyTeam airline hubs at IAH anymore. And usually cargo presence is only weakly correlated with passenger demand. China Airlines flies cargo only t
29 A388: boeingfever777 probably still had in mind that CO still was a SkyTeam member which indeed isn't the case anymore (for quite some time now to my knowl
30 747400sp: Better yet, LAX and SFO. I from the Los Angeles area, so I could not let that go.
31 A388: I was wondering though, why hasn't CZ gone for the A350(-1000?) or the 787(-10, will it be launched)? I know these models are still far away from entr
32 Stitch: I believe CZ needs a 350-seater and they can't/don't want to wait until ~2020 for an A350-1000. They'll be generating revenue with the 777-300ER for
33 A388: That seems to make sense, thanks for the explanation. So this means that the 77W still has a lot of potential customers out there who are seeking del
34 Polot: Of course. With the A35J not entering service until 2017(assuming no delays), the A350's backlog, and the termination of the A340 program airlines re
35 B2443: Yes it's pending Chinese government approval.
36 ba319-131: - I flew on one of these on Monday, lovely crew and great plane, a little on the worn side but otherwise very nice.
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