miaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 381 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11090 times:
AA to start nonstop DCA-LAX flight. Flight should do very well. Will Alaska stay on the route or do you think AA will take over the route? Suprised that US was not after this route.
iaddca From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11031 times:
Looks like they've got opposite hours of AS, which is an am departure out of DCA, and afternnon out of LAX. Bigger impact could be eliminating one of the IAD-LAX runs..
flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6297 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10964 times:
This flight will be a big money maker. Great news. DCA is such a superior airport for O/D traffic to DC and they can/should get a lot of high fares here.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
Atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5613 posts, RR: 54 Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10944 times:
Quoting iaddca (Reply 1): Bigger impact could be eliminating one of the IAD-LAX runs..
Won't happen, not anytime soon. If anything AA made a big deal of it as helping the IAD-LAX routes as mentioned in the AA News Release...
The new service will complement American's three existing daily round-trip flights between LAX and Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD).
Awesome to see AA get DCA-LAX!
Alex
Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3681 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10929 times:
Super80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1637 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10695 times:
I'm so excited for this! I can't wait to takeoff from DCA in a 757 on a westbound transcon! There's plenty of premium traffic for AA to capture on this route, so it will undoubtedly do very well!
Right now there is an AA MD-80 flying over my house.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15727 posts, RR: 47 Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10248 times:
MSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1569 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10174 times:
l like seeing AA get this one.
Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 5): I'm so excited for this! I can't wait to takeoff from DCA in a 757 on a westbound transcon! There's plenty of premium traffic for AA to capture on this route, so it will undoubtedly do very well!
Oh, yeah! When using runway 1, I'd love to be at Gravelly Point when that bird takes to the skies!
usflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 486 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10159 times:
UALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 582 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10107 times:
Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 3): If anything AA made a big deal of it as helping the IAD-LAX routes as mentioned in the AA News Release...
The new service will complement American's three existing daily round-trip flights between LAX and Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD).
That, or they're trying to remind everyone that, hey, UA's not the only one who flies LAX-IAD! We do too!
I say that because when I lived in L.A. and traveled home to DC, my anecdotal experience found AA to often be "El Cheapo Express"--offering flights priced significantly less than United despite UA's much greater frequency.
I don't have access to the DOT or whatever data with the average fares per carrier to prove this, but just an observation.
That said, DCA-LAX will have AA printing money faster than the US Mint, especially with all of AA's entertainment industry contracts in L.A. Smart move!
"We hope you've enjoyed flying with us as much as we've enjoyed taking you for a ride."
BoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2307 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10004 times:
Will AS and AA code share on each others' LAX-DCA flights like they do on many routes, or will they be enemies like they apparently are on SEA-DFW?
Do you think both flights will continue to be successful or will AS or AA's flight drive the other out of the market?
Considering that SEA apparently supports two DCA flights okay, I'm guessing that they will peacefully co-exist on the LAX route, but wondering what others think will happen.
mattya9 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9957 times:
Will the short runway at DCA be a problem for this route, especially if the headwinds are strong?
point2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1961 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9848 times:
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10): but wondering what others think will happen.
AS is probably already printing its own money on this route, and AA will soon join in........
GoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2630 posts, RR: 12 Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9849 times:
I remember watching TWA takeoff out of DCA for LAX in the late 90s.
The runway length is not an issue; the 757 is an animal!
mattya9 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9820 times:
I know the 757 is a beast but I was still curious if less than 6900 feet would be enough for a fully loaded one going that distance with a headwind. My dad flies the 75 and he says the thing is a rocket and it's almost TOO powerful. Sounds good to me!
laca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3749 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9803 times:
This is a good move on AA's part. I hope it works out for them.
AS does very well in this market. I'm sure AA and AS will codeshare on each other's flight, though I would take the AS flight over AA's anyday.
mhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 376 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9646 times:
Oh god me too. I totally can't wait to ride the parking brake on a fully loaded plane off DC's runway. The 757's use as a pocket rocket has not gone unnoticed by AA!
AABB777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 448 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9226 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 4): Ah, the AA Boeing 757 returns to DCA!!!!
Let's hope AA will be using a 757 with the new interior refurbishment. The media release states 22 in First Class, while the newly configured 757s have 24 in First Class. Anybody have intel?
ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4653 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8703 times:
Granted, the 757 can operate form short runways for routes that are fairly long, but I'm betting that there will be days that the aircraft is weigh restricted.
miaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 381 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8574 times:
Ironic that AA is now going to fly DCA-LAX when they had to give up the slot back when they purchased TWA.
John From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1366 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8490 times:
The 757 is really the only aircraft consistently capable for missions like this....so will there be a 757 replacement before it's retired? Does Boeing see this?
kgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 3650 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8494 times:
Quoting mhkansan (Reply 16): Oh god me too. I totally can't wait to ride the parking brake on a fully loaded plane off DC's runway. The 757's use as a pocket rocket has not gone unnoticed by AA!
I'd like to see an A321 try that!
(US) 321s and (DL) 752s take off from DCA every day of the week.
However, I'll admit a longer and heavier 753 might have some problems at DCA
md3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 83 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8243 times:
Quoting John (Reply 20): The 757 is really the only aircraft consistently capable for missions like this....so will there be a 757 replacement before it's retired? Does Boeing see this?
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21240 posts, RR: 19 Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8204 times:
Quoting ckfred (Reply 18): but I'm betting that there will be days that the aircraft is weigh restricted.
I doubt it. CO never had trouble at BRS, which has 300 feet less runway, and AA's 752s are somewhat more capable than PMCO's.
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15727 posts, RR: 47 Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7843 times:
Quoting point2point (Reply 12): AS is probably already printing its own money on this route, and AA will soon join in........
I'm not so sure; it's actually one of the lowest fares of AS' transcons, lower than MCOSEA and MIASEA even.
E pur si muove -Galileo
25 rwsea: And on top of that, it's widely known within the AS frequent flyer community that it can be one of the easiest transcons on which to score an upgrade
26 msp747: I am sure the two will codeshare, since it will help both of them. It will be like each airline is offering two different flights, instead of one. I s
27 N62NA: I believe they just use the "old" version for booking purposes and, if one of the refurbished flights show up on that particular date on that flight,
28 BoeingGuy: It's not only funny, its brilliant. It's partially why AS is often profitable and why they continue to remain independent in the long-term. 757s have
29 dirtyfrankd: In terms of the timing for this flight, wouldn't it make more sense to have a morning departure from DCA to LAX and a redeye from LAX back to DCA?? Wh
30 727LOVER: Didnt TWA operate this route? Did AA operate the route after the TWA takeover?
31 UALFAson: You know, that's an interesting question, especially since it's the opposite schedule of what UA is proposing with their DCA-SFO flights. I would ass
32 OzarkD9S: As opposed to the UA proposed schedule SFO-DCA, which seems to optimized for Asian connections mid-day at SFO, the AA schedule seems oriented to the
33 Flighty: I am a little confused. Don't airlines need to apply for permission to fly outside the perimeter? DFW was within the perimeter, right?
34 usflyguy: Apparently someone hasn't been following along... They have to give up an "in perimeter" slot pair to be allocated a slot pair with the perimeter exe
35 texan: TW did operate this route. When AA bought TW's assets, FAA or DOT forced AA to give up the route and slot. The route and slot were then assigned to A
36 Roseflyer: Either a 737-800 or 757 can do the route. AS has never taken a fuel stop on DCA-LAX or DCA-SEA.
37 mah584jr: Oh really? Which route does US fly their A321s on? I tested your theory and there were no US A321 flights out of DCA in the last few days.
38 Flighty: An A321 can take off fine out of DCA. It has done scheduled flights there for 10 years. It just can't do it with enough fuel to get to LAX. The 738 is
39 FutureFO: Even the PHX flights are operated on a 757. No 321's operate out of DCA. The 319 operates the shuttle flights.
40 HPRamper: DCA-PHX has commonly been 752 since HP ran the route.
41 dirtyfrankd: How is this schedule oriented at the LAX originating business travel. No business traveler originating from LAX to DCA would choose to leave LAX in t
42 N62NA: .... so that they will be completely tired the entire day.
43 seabosdca: A319s, 73G/Ws, 73Hs, and 752s are fine for any DCA transcon. Existing A320s can do the job most of the time but would be challenged on the worst days
44 OzarkD9S: Exactly how I was going to respond, thanx! LAX-DCA/ stay overnight/full business day in DC, then home for (late) dinner in LA.[Edited 2012-02-29 17:2
45 seabosdca: Maybe it's just because I'm on business travel today and recuperating from a full day of meetings, but that makes my head hurt just thinking about it
46 OzarkD9S: That's what I meant actually, so I edited the wording.
47 capitalflyer: I don't think that is the case. IIRC, this is one of eight new slot pairs created when the FAA reauthorization passed congress a couple months ago. I
48 Viscount724: And BRS-EWR is over 900 nm further than DCA-LAX. BRS-EWR 2932 nm, runway 6598 ft. DCA-LAX 2008 nm, runway 6869 ft.
49 Polot: US/UA/AA/DL, who are all automatically receiving a new slot pair, must give up an in-perimeter slot pair in order to take these new beyond perimeter
50 crAAzy: Actually, MCT for QF to AA is 2 hours at LAX so neither of the QF flights allow for a legal connection. (I'll spare you my rant about the length of t
51 laca773: Today, the 29th of February, DCA-PHX has a A319, and 2X A320s (per Flight Stats). On the 1st & 2nd of March, these flights are being operated wit
52 dirtyfrankd: Well one thing you have to understand is that when it comes to business and business trips, it all comes down to productivity. I am a consultant livi
53 WakeTurbulence: Exactly. When I travel for business, it feels horrible to waste an entire day in flight. Might as well take a red eye, try to get some sleep on the p
54 gigneil: Sure. But it has often been a 757. The 757 will have no trouble on any of these routes. Period. NS
55 laca773: That's a given and I think most of who have had knowledge about PHX-DCA-PHX have known US regularly use 757s in this market. It appears these few day
56 gigneil: I'd agree with that. They're just trying to keep the slots alive. NS
57 Cubsrule: To be fair, different schedules work for different people. I like a late afternoon flight to the west coast (leave at 4:00 p.m. and arrive at 6:00 or
58 N62NA: On a redeye going west to east, you're going to get, at most about 4 1/2 hours of sleep. If you are able to then conduct a "full day of productive bu
59 dirtyfrankd: Bingo, it's mainly the eastbound times that I'm referring to. Don't get me wrong i ^@%$%@$#$%#%^ HATE taking the redeyes back and not getting enough
60 washingtonian: Interesting that AA is putting a 757 on LAX-DCA, but United proposes a 73G for SFO-DCA...
61 HPRamper: There is competition on LAX-DCA so AA has to offer a competitive product. SFO-DCA would be exclusive so UA could do whatever it wanted.
62 dirtyfrankd: I think it would be much more competitive if AA was to offer a 738 on the route, their 75s are disgusting.
63 tayser: tight connection from QF MEL/BNE on the LAX-DCA flight, SYD (QF107) might work. AA240 dep LAX at 8:00am QF15 (BNE) arr LAX at 6:50am QF93 (MEL) arr LA
64 sydscott: If you want to get from Australa to LGA or DCA then you fly on the DFW bound 744 from SYD. That was one of QF's main selling point in setting up the
65 gigneil: Virgin has publicly stated they're applying for SFO-DCA. NS
66 MAH4546: All 757s are receiving new interiors, with roughly half already converted. The new interior product sucks, especially in First and with articulated s
67 HPRamper: Haven't gotten it yet. At least LAX-DCA is "guaranteed" competition
68 gigneil: Oh, they'll get it. I have no doubt. NS
69 AAIL86: The old brown leather first class seats were (and obviously still on some aircraft, are) quite comfortable for sitting / chatting / working / dining,
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