rwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2142 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1613 times:
This had NOTHING to do with the TSA!
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shufflemoomin From Denmark, joined Jun 2010, 428 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1547 times:
Is there a criminal record check required for this job? I would assume it's mandatory for any job that requires airside access. If they didn't have one before, they have one now. How do they get away with this anyway? I would have assumed in this paranoid society that every inch of airside was covered by security. Am I being naive in that thought?
dlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 697 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1504 times:
Quoting Soxfan (Thread starter): this is another sad story of trusting untrustworthy people with our belongings
So your saying that all people that work ramp side are untrustworthy?
Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 2): Is there a criminal record check required for this job? I would assume it's mandatory for any job that requires airside access.
Yes background checks are required, sometimes more than just one. You get a background check with your company, airport, and if your handling mail, the post office. Background checks are required at all jobs these days.
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1): I would have assumed in this paranoid society that every inch of airside was covered by security.
Every access point is covered by security measures..But there is no full time guard watching you in the bag make up area or rampside.
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KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11705 posts, RR: 52 Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1415 times:
Quoting shufflemoomin (Reply 2): Is there a criminal record check required for this job? I would assume it's mandatory for any job that requires airside access.
Criminal background checks are required for anyone with a SIDA badge. At MASSPORT facilities, like Logan, it would be up to the Massachusetts State Police to run a background check and check their fingerprints.
Soxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 854 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1308 times:
MY BAD. I misread the article. Sorry about that!!! I meant to say that I did not apply that to all baggage handlers/ramp agents as being untrustworthy; I am positive that 99.9% of them are dedicated, hardworking people worthy of our trust.
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kpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 133 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1192 times:
If there is a problem with dishonest baggage handlers, and everyone did what these two did, we would know about it. Im sure the media would be all over it. There's PLENTY of opportunity for ramp agents to fire through bags.
There are also occasions where passengers attempt to fit 100+ pounds of stuff into a bag not designed for such a load and the bag breaks open. I've seen it happen and I know we all made sure every item was accounted for in the bin and placed back in the bag.
At PIT our fingerprints and information were sent to the FBI to conduct our background checks for SIDA access. I would like to assume that would "red-flag" potentially dishonest workers...
aviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1344 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1073 times:
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1): This had NOTHING to do with the TSA!
In a way though, it does have to do with TSA.
What I mean is this:
Is it not a little outrageous that baggage handlers, along with caterers and fuelers and all the rest of the apron workers, are EXEMPT from regular TSA screening, while PILOTS, on the other hand, are marched through the metal detectors and subject to most of the same goofy restrictions and protocols as passengers.
TSA screening wouldn't necessarily have prevented these thefts, I realize that. AND, I'm not implying that apron workers are criminals. BUT, let's be realistic, if we're going to screen at all, can't we please do it rationally? If you're going to screen pilots, how can you NOT screen tarmac workers? Either screen both groups, or neither.
As an on-duty pilot, I recently had a piece of AIRLINE SILVERWARE confiscated from my luggage by airport security. Meanwhile, airport tarmac workers can saunter through a turnstyle unmolested, and are subject only to very infrequent "random" TSA checks.
Patrick Smith
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rwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2142 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 984 times:
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 3): Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 1):I would have assumed in this paranoid society that every inch of airside was covered by security.
Every access point is covered by security measures..But there is no full time guard watching you in the bag make up area or rampside.
That is not my quote.
The early bird gets the worm, BUT...the second mouse gets the cheese!
airportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3056 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 984 times:
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 3): Yes background checks are required, sometimes more than just one. You get a background check with your company, airport, and if your handling mail, the post office. Background checks are required at all jobs these days.
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4): Criminal background checks are required for anyone with a SIDA badge. At MASSPORT facilities, like Logan, it would be up to the Massachusetts State Police to run a background check and check their fingerprints.
yup...I remember giving my fingerprints left and right, and when I worked for YX, I had to do the Post office one too. As well as the customs seal to deliver baggage, mail, and freight. Staties have their office right next to the badging office (or was at least...its been four or five years now since I left)
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10652 posts, RR: 100 Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 924 times:
Quoting aviateur (Reply 7): In a way though, it does have to do with TSA.
Yea... the TSA made us take locks off our bags. (forget that TSA key, its too easy to pick)
I know there is a reason... but remember how for DECADES people advised to double check your bag was locked to prevent theft? Ugh... There is no 100% way to stop theft. My last project had a thief that was never caught. The person was clever how and when there was a theft. With detailed background checks and everything (we had flightline access).
Which unfortunately has cut some travel (who is going to ship pricey wine in the luggage anymore? I used to. I don't know anyone who does so anymore while back in 2000 I knew of *dozens* of people. (Ok, off my how the new rules have hurt the wine tourist industry soap box.)
Hey Patrick, what do you write? I didn't find any ebooks in the Kindle store under "Patrick Smith." I'm curious.
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