einsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2043 posts, RR: 6 Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2283 times:
It's clear to see that CM is a very successful airline, with its fleet consisting solely of 737s. However, I certainly don't think a 737 has the legs to fly PTY to Europe.
Considering that PTY's only European destinations are AMS with KL and MAD with IB, what are the chances that CM might add a couple of widebodies for TATL flights (not now, but perhaps before the end of the decade)? Madrid, London, and Paris would seem like the likely choices, perhaps even Barcelona.
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jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7343 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2278 times:
Copa probably has a future in 787's, they are small enough for 200 passengers yet capable enough to fly 8000 miles putting almost everything within nonstop reach.
Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8739 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2231 times:
Copa already pushes the 737 farther than any other airline in a typical configuration. PTY-EZE/MVD is a very long trip and I would assume that they'd benefit from a smaller widebody for those routes on top of routes to Europe or more extensive US routes.
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yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5157 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2211 times:
The are many closer routes that could use some wide body capacity for CM so that that 738 capacity could be deployed elsewhere....SDQ, HAV, CCS come to mind
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AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 4843 posts, RR: 28 Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1697 times:
At this point, I don´t think CM is interested in a very small fleet of a very different airliner to serve a few European destinations. Maybe in a few years, but not now. Besides, that small subfleet would require a total revamp of the services CM provides today, not so much in Y, maybe, but definitely in C. As for widebodies for MVD or EZE, I think their model is based on frequency, not on capacity.
A good analogy would for Southwest to get a few widebodies to fly to LHR or CDG. It´s just not their business model and probably won´t happen soon.
bpat777 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 329 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1660 times:
I always felt CO/UA's 762's could be a good w/b for CM.
SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4073 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1607 times:
Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter): It's clear to see that CM is a very successful airline, with its fleet consisting solely of 737s.
False.
Both Copa Airlines and Copa Airlines Colombia also utilize a vast fleet of Embraer 190s.
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Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter): Considering that PTY's only European destinations are AMS with KL and MAD with IB
DE FRA-SDQ-PTY 1x weekly with 763 can also be considered as a regular operation linking Europe and Panama City.
It would be temporary upgraded from 1x to 2x weekly from June 25th till October 22nd.
Probably the longest commercial route for a 737 nowadays.
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Quoting einsteinboricua (Thread starter): what are the chances that CM might add a couple of widebodies for TATL flights (not now, but perhaps before the end of the decade)? Madrid, London, and Paris would seem like the likely choices, perhaps even Barcelona.
Copa studied in 2007 the chance to launch flights to Europe but the idea hasn't been materialized.
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CM has firmly ordered a huge fleet consisting in 32 brand new 737s to be gradually delivered between 2015 and 2018.
However, the long-haul equipments haven't been mentioned yet.
kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1360 times:
I recall reading an interview with the CEO of CM last year ( pretty sure it was in Flight International magazine) where he said that they currently have no intention of investing in widebodies and would rather attempt to persuade some of their future *A partners to commence longhaul services to PTY ( which, presumably, they would codeshare on) . I will try to find a link.
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SJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4073 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 931 times:
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 8): they currently have no intention of investing in widebodies and would rather attempt to persuade some of their future *A partners to commence longhaul services to PTY
I agree.
We have previously commented into the Central American aviation thread about the possibility of LH FRA-PTY in the near future.
nethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 985 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 754 times:
LH FRA-PTY with high-density A340-300?
I'd say the 8 First class seats on 333 and lower density 343 are a waste on FRA-PTY?
Would love to see a STAR long-haul, trans-con. connection from PTY!
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RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2159 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 672 times:
Quoting nethkt (Reply 12): LH FRA-PTY with high-density A340-300?
I'd say the 8 First class seats on 333 and lower density 343 are a waste on FRA-PTY?
Would love to see a STAR long-haul, trans-con. connection from PTY!
I would think, a tag to PTY instead of a non-stop, or even a circle trip with another neighboring city they serve, or can, or else an en-route, not too far off the circle mapper for a stop. For any airline trying trans-atlantic to PTY, not just LH.
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