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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 47  
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4484 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16143 times:




THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART XLVII

"Tribute to Eastern Air Lines in Central America"

By the early 80s, Eastern Air Lines [IATA designator: EA] began to penetrate the Central American skies as a new choice for the lucrative regional traffic heading to South Florida.
Guatemala City already had a couple of daily flights to Miami in July 1980 and by the end of the decade, the airline had also expanded their services to other cities:

EA MIA-GUA 7x weekly
EA MIA-SAL 3x weekly
EA MIA-PTY 7x weekly
EA MIA-SJO 7x weekly
The airline briefly operated the Panama City - New Orleans route.

Equipment utilized in Central America: Boeing 727, L-1011, Boeing 757.

Financial issues resulted in the suspension of all their flights in 1991, although its legacy continues in Central America as American Airlines rapidly absorbed the routes operated from its hub in Miami.
Further information related to this topic will be appreciated.






Edited on March 01st 2012.


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User currently offlineColAvionLover From Panama, joined Dec 2008, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16071 times:
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Aeroperlas (TACA Regional) suspended operations due to restructuring.

http://www.prensa.com/uhora/economia...spende-operaciones-en-panama/68396

I wonder how long this will take and how much they want to achieve with this restructuring.
Maybe Avianca-TACA will invest more money on it as Aeroperlas can play a good role in the growing of Avianca-TACA as they are just where Copa Airlines is. Maybe they'll increase their fleet and use them to feed PTY and have their own "Hub of The Americas"...

Lets see what will happen.



JDM's
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1182 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16053 times:

From the last thread

Aeroméxico third daily flight to Guatemala, starting april 3.
MEX 09:30 PM - GUA10:25 PM. B737 Daily
GUA 06:30 AM - MEX 09:30 AM. B737 Daily

New flight
Aeroméxico launch El Salvador, starting april 16
AM620 MEX 12:55 PM - SAL 14:25 PM. B737 Daily
AM621 SAL 15:25 PM - MEX 18:55 PM. B737 Daily

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1182 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16043 times:

TAG was going to start flights between FRS-CUN on march or april don't remember yet.
Also rumors is that they are going to acquire to used CRJ200

Quote:

Quoting aer (Reply 189):
Can't, no more GUA-CUN flights.

Doesn't TAG fly their SAAB on the route?



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 585 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16032 times:

Quoting ColAvionLover (Reply 1):
Maybe they'll increase their fleet and use them to feed PTY and have their own "Hub of The Americas"...

Why would AV-TA do that when they already have SJO and SAL to play that role in Central America ?



JESÚS, TE AMO !!
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2608 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 16030 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
"Tribute to Eastern Air Lines in Central America"

Eastern already flew ATL-PTY summer 1981. Schedule then wasn't appropriate for PTY O/D.
Later they flew MIA-PTY-LIM, JFK-PTY, MSY-PTY.

Quoting ColAvionLover (Reply 1):
I wonder how long this will take and how much they want to achieve with this restructuring.

Lots of speculation and assumptions re: Aeroperlas "restructuring" here in Panama. A so sudden operation stop, can't be taken lightly.
Years ago, when TA took over Aeroperlas, it was said they wanted to use Aeroperlas as they did with Aviateca and Nica and start some kind of international service to compete with CM in non-CM exclusive routes. The only international flight they started was a short lived DAV-SJO with wasn't attractive for DAV O/D.

From the previous thread:

Quote:
AC YYZ-LIR 3x weekly
AC YUL-LIR 1x weekly

I wouldn't call that good Central American link with Canada as the number of Centralamericans flying that route seems to be very very low..



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16012 times:

From previous thread:

Quote:

TA SAL-YYZ 3x weekly
CM PTY-YYZ 4x weekly
AC YYZ-SJO 3x weekly
AC YYZ-LIR 3x weekly
AC YUL-LIR 1x weekly

Although there are flights, connectivity to other parts in Central America or Canada are terrible, if non existent.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 647 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15995 times:
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Does anyone have any information regarding the percentage of occupancy on the MEX-GUA flights? Can the market sustain 5 Daily flights????


avi8
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2608 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15985 times:

Aeroperlas (Taca Regional Panamà) has 90 days to restructure or to close From www.revistasumma.com - in Spanish.
According to Panama Civil Aviation Authority, Aeroperlas has 90 days to either restructure or close.
It was said that because the TACA - Avianca merger, the small TA-owned Panamanian domestic airline didn't fit into the new airline business model.
That seems to be a Salvadorean-Colombian decision taken without really caring about what it meant for Panama.



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User currently offlineluisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15984 times:

I talked today with Aeroperlas' call center to ask for a refund for my flights this weekend and they told me they are still flying until March 6th "to protect their passengers". Can somebody confirm this? I didn't trust them and asked for a refund either way as I had already found alternative travel means.

Saludos,
Luis


User currently offlinewingedtaurus From Mexico, joined Mar 2007, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15980 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 2):
Aeroméxico launch El Salvador, starting april 16

We just need MGA.

A.


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2608 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 15949 times:

Quoting wingedtaurus (Reply 10):
We just need MGA.

The market might be there, question is What kind of schedule will be more convenient for AM in MGA?
My guess, MEX-MGA evenings, RON @ MGA and MGA-MEX early morning.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15896 times:

Attempting to unveil the shroud of mistery and spin (standard procedure for the cartel in troubled times) that surrounds this latest event, the WL operation must've been bleeding lots of money.. and the head honchos seem to believe this amputation will stop the spread of the gangrene elsewhere within the conglomerate.


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6125 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 15890 times:

For the record....EA also used to serve MIA-BZE...722s ..daily I believe.


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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 15856 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 12):

Attempting to unveil the shroud of mistery and spin (standard procedure for the cartel in troubled times) that surrounds this latest event, the WL operation must've been bleeding lots of money.. and the head honchos seem to believe this amputation will stop the spread of the gangrene elsewhere within the conglomerate.

Well really, other thank Sansa's operation, is TA Regional really that profitable?



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4484 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15796 times:

Quoting ColAvionLover (Reply 1):
Aeroperlas can play a good role in the growing of Avianca-TACA


This maneuver indicates us the contrary.
I didn't understand some strange operations like: PAC-BOC-PTY-PAC and PAC-PTY-BOC.
I reported in earlier posts how the PAC-SJO 7x weekly segment was frequently cancelled.




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Quoting juanchito (Reply 2):
New flight
Aeroméxico launch El Salvador, starting april 16
AM620 MEX 12:55 PM - SAL 14:25 PM. B737 Daily
AM621 SAL 15:25 PM - MEX 18:55 PM. B737 Daily


Finally! It was quite expected.
TA SAL-MEX 11x weekly is currently the sole player since the demise of MX MEX-SAL 7x weekly.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 5):
The only international flight they started was a short lived DAV-SJO


It was briefly served by Sansa in 2008.




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Quoting aer (Reply 6):
Although there are flights, connectivity to other parts in Central America or Canada are terrible


AC SJO-YYZ, AC LIR-YYZ, AC LIR-YUL and the Canadian charter airlines operating in Central America seem to be focusing in the O&D leisure market.
TA SAL-YYZ 3x weekly and CM PTY-YYZ 4x weekly are supplying the connectivity which is indeed very limited.
That's why I posted earlier the possibility of AA for your trip.




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Quoting luisde8cd (Reply 9):
Aeroperlas' call center to ask for a refund for my flights this weekend


As personal experience, TACA refunds tickets two or three weeks later once they'd contact you for the compensation.




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Quoting ColAvionLover (Reply 1):
Maybe they'll increase their fleet and use them to feed PTY and have their own "Hub of The Americas"...


All the regional airlines belonging to TACA division seem to act separate from the mainline: different baggage weight allowance, there's no possibility to book everything together: TA JFK-SJO + RZ SJO-DRK, etc.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15776 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 15):
All the regional airlines belonging to TACA division seem to act separate from the mainline:

True, and only Regional operations that under GU's certificate are the ones integrated into mainline. Although they usually switch GU with Isleña once in a while.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4484 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15767 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 16):
only Regional operations that under GU's certificate are the ones integrated into mainline


I think the ATRs are not the problem, in terms of baggage allowance. The difficult may exist combining [Airbus and E90s] with small planes immediately.
Someone had posted as a smart joke before: how many times have you seen a surfboard loaded into a Cessna Grand Caravan?  


Regards.

[Edited 2012-03-01 19:27:12]


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6125 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15750 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 17):
Someone had posted as a smart joke before: how many times have you seen a surfboard loaded into a Cessna Grand Caravan?

Actually I have...at PM....don't know why someone would bring a surfboard to BZE...but not my job to judge.
Also seen a Great Dane...took up entire back seat and quite a few other large items.

Some of the new Cargo pods come with semi-removable partitions to allow for items such as surfboards.

Customer willing to pay for us to take out the seat and for us to secure the "cargo" in the main cabin and as along as we can do it within regs and safely...we do it.

revenue is revenue.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2608 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15636 times:

Taca Regional Panamanian airline Aeroperlas void to be filled by others From www.revistasumma.com - in Spanish
According to Panama Civil Aviation chief, if the domestic airtravel demand increases, "more than 4" companies would be willing to participate in the market.
About Aeroperlas assets, he said all its concessions which belong to the government will return to the government.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15623 times:

Here's an excerpt of what bloomberg.com reported yesterday.. Aeroperlas, a Panama City–based unit of Avianca Taca Holding, said it has ceased operations in Panama. (...) The airline didn’t give further details. Press officials at Bogota-based Avianca Taca didn’t immediately respond to phone calls and e-mails seeking comment.

Also been monitoring the seemingly inconsequential impact on AV/TA stock (Bolsa de Valores de Colombia ticker symbol PFAVTA) which fell 2.1% yesterday to COL$4,200.

I do find it somewhat odd that AV/TA pulls the plug on Aeroperlas just as the conglomerate —under pressure from existing and potential overseas investors— prepares to move away from convenient Colombian accounting principles (ColGaap) in favor of international financial reporting standards (IFRS/NIIF) which means financial statements should soon reflect a true and fair view of its business affairs.. including performance (looong shrouded in mystery) of the TACA division, of which Aeroperlas is part.

[Edited 2012-03-02 09:10:38]


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15602 times:

In other news, the all–inclusive Colombian hotel chain Decameron (notable for its bottomless cocktail glasses and dance–till–dawn beachside parties among other fine examples of noisy debauchery) officially arrives in Costa Rica, with investments in two existing hotels, to be renamed Royal Decameron Irazú (330 rooms just outside downtown San José along the airport highway) and the 130–room Decameron Jacó Beach on the central pacific coast.


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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4484 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15505 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 18):
took up entire back seat and quite a few other large items.

Some of the new Cargo pods come with semi-removable partitions to allow for items such as surfboards.

Customer willing to pay for us to take out the seat and for us to secure the "cargo" in the main cabin and as along as we can do it within regs and safely...we do it.

revenue is revenue.


That confirms the lack of compatibility in cargo regarding the small planes and jet-mainline services on TACA.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2608 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15284 times:

Panama Civil Aviation Authority opens bid for DAV and MPRH airport terminal benches From www.prensa.com - in Spanish
It was announced today that Panama Civil Aviation Authority will open bid to get benches for DAV new terminal and MPRH (Rio Hato Scarlet Martínez Aerodrome).
What's most interesting about this, is that MPRH's has no terminal yet and the runway improvements with the proposed Panamerican Highway underpass shows little advancement.

In Panamanian airport related news, specific to that furniture subject, seems Muelle Norte is still not ready to be used. A delay because lack of furniture (or problems getting it) is quite unacceptable, strange and highly questionable.



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User currently offlineluisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15222 times:

A few pics from Contadora Island taken this weekend. I was lucky enough to capture one of Aeroperlas's Cessna Caravans (HP-1403APP) in their last flights to OTD.

http://i42.tinypic.com/2edaa93.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2rrnd74.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/6s6ybr.jpg

Saludos,
Luis


25 SJOtoLIR : TACA has requested to the Colombian aviation authorities "Aeronautica Civil. Grupo evaluador de proyectos empresariales" the application for new route
26 2travel2know2 : Does Brazil give Costa Rica 5th freedom between BOG and BSB? I ask because it's not an AV flight from SJO to BSB via BOG.
27 avi8 : I think it would be SJO-BGO-Brasilia. So that might be different
28 yellowtail : Actually..I wish I had a camera right now....Caravan going out SPR-BZE with 10 pax and 2 surfboards down below with luggage and 3 dogs in kennels rig
29 aer : And a partridge in a pear tree? Great pictures, what will happen with Aeroperlas' aircraft, be moved to Sansa?
30 Post contains links and images SJOtoLIR : I'd like to expand the intended TA/LR SJO-BOG-BSB. The source came from Colombia where TACA applied for the traffic rights into the BOG-BSB sector. I
31 2travel2know2 : Could TACA being TA or LR be allowed to carry passengers BOG-BSB? What do the Costa Rica - Colombia bilateral (if flight has origin SJO) say about 5t
32 SJOtoLIR : TACA/LACSA is requesting with Colombian authorities the launch of the SJO-BOG-BSB segment and allowing third, forth and fifth liberties in both cargo
33 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Panama to negotiate more flights @ Berlin Tourist Fair From www.prensa.com - in Spanish The Panama Tourist Authority boss will meet DE Condor to ask t
34 SJOtoLIR : This sounds like a warning for Lufthansa and Star Alliance. The entrance of CM there is imminent, but there's no participation of any European carrie
35 2travel2know2 : CM waiting to entice SK, TK or TP to PTY then? IB has interline and cargo agreement w/CM. KL has CM code-share for AMS-PTY, CM has KL code-share for
36 Post contains images copa330200 : any idea how are the loads ? this will a real "home run" for PTY !!! I believe it's just a matter of time for LH to open FRA - PTY and feeding CM con
37 Post contains images 2travel2know2 : . Agreed. Not sure if The Panama Tourism Authority wants DE to leave, but a FRA-PTY non-stop by LH would be better for PTY (and CM). While LH is big i
38 Post contains links viaggiare : Get this folks.. just two years after señor Kriete whined hopelessly about SJO (all the while sobbing his heart out —ahem ahem cough cough— venti
39 SJOtoLIR : I was rather thinking on Lufthansa in Panama City soon, but it would be harder now, given how the Panamanian authorities are promoting abroad the exp
40 2travel2know2 : CCS is VFR mostly and mainly to FNC, little connecting traffic @ LIS, TP's, But I hear of OnePass (Mileage Plus now) members using TP to fly to Spain
41 SJOtoLIR : Rumor has it that AM may begin CUN-SJO this year. Don't forget AM SJO-MEX goes from 7x to 14x weekly on March 15th. . Let me amend some mistakes from
42 viaggiare : So the last new TACA route out of Costa Rica was SAL–LIR–SAL (December 2010) whereas the last two routes out of SJO proper were SJO–MDE–SJO (
43 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : PTY to re-start Muelle Norte furniture bid From www.prensa.com - in Spanish Finally PTY management will re-start the bid for North Concourse furniture
44 SJOtoLIR : I think so. The confusion arises because the press release was published back in 2010 and it reflected the latest route opened by TACA mainline in th
45 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Panama Tourist Authority wants DE to fly non-stop FRA-PTY From www.prensa.com - in Spanish Panama Tourist Authority ATP proposed DE to fly non-stop FR
46 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : I read this information into the Colombian thread and it reports an impressive net profit on AV-TA: increasing more than 200% in 2011 ! http://www.rcn
47 Post contains links and images copa330200 : http://www.airliners.net/photo/Star-...ce-(Copa/Boeing-737-86N/2080115/L/ just beautiful !!!
48 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : The style of the "Copa Airlines logo" is changing. Related thread: Copa Has Changed Their Logo To Keep Similar To UA (by flyPBA Mar 14 2012 in Civil
49 avi8 : What aircraft is being utilized? Probably a 737-800 right?
50 RCS763AV : Well congrats to Copa on their new Star logojet, it's beautiful! This confirms the importance of Colombia for the Copa network, the country remains th
51 2travel2know2 : It's quite likely that right now Santa Marta SMR could support a couple of PTY flights per week. If CM had something smaller than E190, Montería MTR
52 viaggiare : Not the whole logo, just the font. So right up there with GUA and SJO isn't it? And does Brazil rank second?
53 avi8 : GUA and SJO mightl get a 7th daily rotation?
54 yellowtail : you guys notice the thread about international service for WN out of HOU? Stand by, there is going to be something big soon!
55 viaggiare : I meant BOG, GUA and SJO seem to top the list. drum roll..
56 SJOtoLIR : I'll try to post later the amount of weekly flights heading to both GUA and SJO which are operated by Copa Airlines. Too busy to check them now ! CM
57 Post contains links ColAvionLover : According to the following article, by the end of March, Air Panama will have two 100 pax capacity planes. Any idea which model will those be? http://
58 juanchito : I think they will be be 2 F-100 Juanchito
59 2travel2know2 : If the want to keep low operating costs, then F100. However, had Air Panama decision makers have a bit more vision and cash, Air Panama should have t
60 Post contains links yellowtail : and they are off.... http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...lights-triggers-3414923.php#page-2
61 viaggiare : In this economy, talk about an offer the city of Houston can't refuse, despite mounting pressure from the UA/IAH lobby.
62 SJOtoLIR : COPA AIRLINES Guatemala City CM GUA-PTY 26x weekly CM GUA-MGA-PTY 7x weekly CM GUA-SJO-PTY 7x weekly CM GUA-SJO-PTY-BOG 7x weekly. It's operating dail
63 Post contains links RAGAZZO777 : Copa Airlines to Iquitos, Peru According to this news article CM will start services to Iquitos in September, this was announced by the Peruvian Minis
64 viaggiare : Interesting that IQT would come before AQP and TRU. Hmm so that pretty much settles it then.. SJO and GUA are the two highest–traffic destinations
65 avi8 : MGA-GUA is actually 14 weekly.
66 juanchito : Yes but SJOtoLIR is talking about flight ending in PTY. And 7 of those flight ends and MGA, the next day the flight continues to PTY. Juanchito
67 Avianca : well they have some connecting traffic to all over europe on the CCS flight, not big but they have I see even SMR as a must! MTR could also work, som
68 SJOtoLIR : I have my doubts about AQP-PTY as non-stop taking into account the extreme altitude in Arequipa for such route. CM PTY-IQT and back makes sense becau
69 2travel2know2 : IMHO, it might have to do with E190 availability and flying time. Same crew could fly to/from IQT daytime. AQP might need B737, not good if flown day
70 RAGAZZO777 : Definitely. As a matter of fact, I always thought that CM would fly first to TRU and/or AQP. Those cities generate considerable amounts of internatio
71 2travel2know2 : The problem with AQP altitude is mainly for the E190, not for the B737. Another problem I hear about AQP is that the airport isn't open 24/7 and know
72 Post contains images RAGAZZO777 : I've never heard about this. As far as I know AQP is open most of the day, with the first scheduled flight usually departing around 7AM and the last
73 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Exactly ! Here's my comprehensive concern about Copa Airlines in Guatemala City: CM GUA-PTY: 28x weekly CM MGA-GUA-PTY: 5x weekly CM GUA-SJO-PTY: 7x
74 RAGAZZO777 : You should double-check that. AQP's runway measures 9,712 ft, which make possible short-to-medium haul flights. AQP is definitely not CUZ.
75 yellowtail : Quite a few Belizeans enjoying those CM GUA flights right now...especially the one that connects with the PM GUA-FRS-BZE..I patiently await CM startin
76 avi8 : Wow, looks like CM's presence in GUA is quite large. How does it compare to SJO's? As far as I know, SJO has a couple of more flights. This means that
77 Post contains images viaggiare : We stand in solidarity. Unless their regulatory review process is complete, perhaps we shouldn't be tipping off the champions of free–market compet
78 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : CM will add new frequencies to Peru from www.prensa.com - in Spanish Panama Civil Aviation Authority announced that CM is to increase its frequencies
79 yellowtail : Are you talking like an existing airline (like a B6) starting service or an entirely new Guatemalan airline. If the former, it is no state secret tha
80 avi8 : No I am not talking about B6. I was not given any details. I told you all I know.
81 yellowtail : As far as I know....again if you are talking existing airlines starting up service (versus new routes), in industry circles I have only heard the foll
82 viaggiare : So then you believe AS might follow through with its own plans roughly at about the same time B6 expands beyond LIR/SJO and well before this WN exper
83 yellowtail : Way things are going, WN might actually beat them all to the punch.
84 yellowtail : Noticing that Sunwing flies to BZE, RTB, LCE, SJO, LIR and PTY....maybe they should take a look at FRS.
85 viaggiare : FRS should see quite a surge of visitors as this apocalyptic year progresses.. otherwise INGUAT officials might face some tough questions.[Edited 201
86 SJOtoLIR : Another rumor has been confirmed: Cayman Airways to start Grand Cayman - Panama City service. KX 852......GCM 11:00........PTY 13:00......Mo, Th KX 85
87 yellowtail : This should do well..esp up front.
88 avi8 : Not a big surprise. They say that one of the main reasons for this flights is to motivate CM to start their own flight. Don't know the reliability of
89 yellowtail : Without saying too much about sources etc....I would be "reasonably sure" that this is so.
90 Post contains images viaggiare : Any other CentAm markets Sir Turtle might consider adding to the current LCE and PTY offering? BZE perhaps?
91 yellowtail : Somebody needs to take the plunge and try GUA from the Caribbean...1 or 2X weekly.....too bad they don't have an E-jet. perfect aircraft for the rout
92 yellowtail : Persistent rumors suggest that Islena may be in trouble and that AVTA is considering shutting it down like they did with AeroPerlas. It is not cheap t
93 2travel2know2 : As in Panama people had high expectations when TA took over the domestic airline, but as now it seems, TA thinks its regional operations are quite di
94 viaggiare : Good thing TA couldn't get its hands on Copa!! (gotta thank the Mottas et al. for that)
95 yellowtail : all i gotta say is ..indeed, indeed. TA doesn't realize yet, but by shutting down these regionals....it opens the door for small carriers to start up
96 SJOtoLIR : Hypothesis in progress: Once the merger AV-TA was formed, they are not so much interested into the regional divisions in Central America. They may be
97 aer : Shhhhh that's the idea :P TAG the other TAAG is in Angola hehe.
98 MilesDependent : Planning a trip to IQT later in the year... When do people think it likely that the IQT flights will be loaded in the CRS and able to be booked?
99 2travel2know2 : I guess therre's still time to add IQT to the June line-up of CM new destinations. So there could be a surprise with IQT start date. If not possible
100 juanchito : Aeromexico already started it's third daily flight from MEX to GUA, we have now 5 daily Aeromexico 3 Daily Taca 1 Daily Interjet 1 Daily Juanchito
101 viaggiare : AM has been making it very clear that they regard the MX collapse as a vacuum and that they intend to fill it.. AM is now further emboldened by the ca
102 Post contains images COlAvionLover : Seems like Air Panama's first Fokker 100 Just started operations. I have a few shots that a guy in Facebook (Jose Hernandez) posted on its profile.
103 Post contains links SHAQ : What a day for Panamanian pilots. Copa Airlines captain, Guillermo Palm dies trying to land his two seat plane at Albrook Airfield http://prensa.com/u
104 COlAvionLover : Wow! I don't knew it was a CMP pilot!
105 copa330200 : quite surprised !!!! I was thinking for more Fokker 50 & 70. According to Airfleets they have 2 on order, both are pretty old (+20 years) .. is t
106 juanchito : Maybe they got a great deal for them. I personally have flew 4 in Mexican Click F100 and it was a great experiance. They could order a newer version
107 SJOtoLIR : I'm not clear yet if the operations of the Fokker 100s would be based at Tocumen International Airport instead as shown in the photos. We had previou
108 yellowtail : If you gents are following the HOU WN thread, seems like WN is inching closer to international service from HOU. I know some folks are starting to get
109 SJOtoLIR : Brasilia is experiencing changes for the Central American airlines: March 2012: LACSA applied for the SJO-BOG-BSB sector. June 02: TA LIM-BSB 3x weekl
110 yellowtail : CM is slowly winning the war against TA..
111 Post contains images yellowtail : In its first month of operation PM's 3Xweekly BZE - SAP had done very well...exceeded expectations. I would expect to see an increase in service relat
112 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : The LIM-BSB sector didn't work successfully for Lan Peru as well. CM PTY-BSB has a tremendous credit as it would be operating daily soon considering
113 yellowtail : I am told "soon"...as soon as a few months of consistent summer at SAP are under their belts. They know the traffic is there, but just want t be caut
114 Post contains links and images luisde8cd : Hey guys, I'd like to post a couple of pics from my recent trip to Bocas del Toro (BOC). I guess they show why CM won't fly its own metal there... Sal
115 Post contains images yellowtail : For any of you all wondering about Tropic Air's regional goals....here is a route map published today....check out the "future"
116 2travel2know2 : Awful and scary. Was it at BOC or CHX?
117 SXI899 : Both F100s are yet to be delivered. The bottom three photos are of the operational F70s. Yorden
118 Post contains links and images yellowtail : You guys want to support WN expansion in C. America....do your part http://www.freehobbyairport.com/ Houston, we have a solution! Love it!
119 SJOtoLIR : June 02: As commented above, TA LIM-BSB 3x weekly with E90 will cease their operations. On the same date, TA/LR [SJO-MTY] 3x weekly with E90 will init
120 yellowtail : not yet, but looks like it WILL be. PM are completely different that Maya.....just as MW failed on SAP and PM are now making it work. It is all about
121 Post contains links viaggiare : Saw one of the VivaColombia A320s (N260AV¿?) outside the COOPESA hangar yesterday afternoon.
122 yellowtail : I feel misled! I though your link would take me to a nice pretty aircraft link!
123 Post contains links viaggiare : Alright here ya go.. from the lens of top SJO spotter fabster4444.. [1] – [2] (aircraft will soon bear the HK–4811 reg)
124 Post contains links SHAQ : Personal de operaciones en paro Rampers and cleaners and on strike. Some flights are delayed. It seems that it is not affecting CM operations. Right n
125 SJOtoLIR : Liberia is the only Central American station served by United that supports up to three different destinations: UA IAH-LIR 17x weekly UA EWR-LIR 7x we
126 viaggiare : Last week I read in El Financiero about thrice–weekly service beginning late June, although the reservations system shows nothing.. Breves. Edició
127 Post contains images MGASJO : FYI La Costeña is finally bringing new C208Bs with G1000 cockpit. 2 crews will be going to Wichita this weekend to bring two new Caravans. 7 crews we
128 yellowtail : About time. PM has been flying them for some time....even have the ones with radar etc now and they are really nice.
129 SJOtoLIR : As a result of the new TA/LR [SJO-BOG-BSB] 4x weekly, TACA will modify the schedule into SJO-BOG. No more returns to Costa Rica at 23:05 on TA/LR 697
130 Post contains links viaggiare : La Nación this morning brings us the latest details with regard to a lengthy (over ten years) legal dispute involving popular SJO spotter hangout La
131 yellowtail : Maybe some a.netters might want to squat there too to take photos and smell the jet fuel.
132 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : Panama Airlines Association against up to USD50,000 fine for flying in passengers with drugs From www.prensa.com - in Spanish The Panama Airlines Asso
133 viasa : Did La Costeña still operates as TACA Regional? Because they have now it's own blue livery... also the website (www.lacostena.com.ni) looks like tha
134 viaggiare : I find certain areas to the west of the airfield (preferably right underneath the approach path) close to the rabbit and the VOR–DME to be much mor
135 viaggiare : NK has launched an ad campaign for flights to a certain SouthAm city that features Secret–Service–style men, a suggestive slogan, and scantily cla
136 yellowtail : Do you have a press release for this?
137 MGASJO : We still have something to do with Taca regional, I just dont know until what level. Did you see the webpage? it is just like taca's. And the livery
138 MGASJO : No press release as of now. Just what they've told us.
139 yellowtail : Well the time for B6's Nov/Dec (startup) destinations is almost upon us.....will they finally enter the rest of C. America......GUA, SAP, BZE etc or w
140 avi8 : Are there any announcements coming up regarding B6?
141 viaggiare : Not that it has ever been a smoothly–run operation by any means, but I am puzzled as to why not one but four Taca flights: LR655 HAV–SJO, LR683 GU
142 yellowtail : should be...B6 announcements are usually not later than June.
143 aer : One of those, "wait to see" moments with a bit of "don't hold your breath" mixed in? For some reason I'm starting to think that GUA is now on its "wh
144 SJOtoLIR : TACA made some adjustments in their operations out of LIM since the beginning of the year. Frequencies are shown in terms of weekly operations: TA LIM
145 SCL767 : Reduces to 3x weekly. Very strange considering this is the fastest growing route from SCL. Reduces to 10x weekly. Reduces to 5x weekly; then further
146 SJOtoLIR : The reply 144 reflects the situation as of now. . TA LIM-GYE-CLO; 4x to 3x weekly from May 21st. . TA LIM-GRU; 11x to 10x weekly from May 06th. . TA
147 SCL767 : Then on January 25, it looks like TA will operate LIM-HAV 4x weekly... LP operates LIM-SCL 3x daily and LA operates SCL-LIM 5x daily. H2 plans on add
148 Post contains links 2travel2know2 : DE to double frequency to PTY In Spanish from www.prensa.com While the headlines in La Prensa is misleading (Condor will have direct flights), the rea
149 SJOtoLIR : It was initially announced that DE FRA-SDQ-PTY will temporary operate from 1x to 2x weekly from June 25 till October 22. The plans have slightly chan
150 2travel2know2 : Which is probably what Panama Tourist Authority, Panama Civil Aviation Authority, PTY and CM want.
151 SJOtoLIR : United in Central America, in terms of weekly services: UA IAH-BZE: 14x UA IAH-GUA: 14x UA IAH-SAL: 14x UA IAH-TGU: 7x UA IAH-SAP: 9x UA IAH-RTB: 4x U
152 juanchito : Actually UA IAH-GUA: 19x UA EWR-GUA: 1x On high seasons UA IAH-GUA: 21x UA EWR-GUA: 2x Juanchito
153 yellowtail : Actually this varies....14Xweek is standard....but it does to go to 21X, 15X and 16X at various point during the year. They also trim it to 10X durin
154 aer : So in other words UA's operations are very eclectic.
155 yellowtail : Yes, they know how to handle C. America. they manage capacity very closely to keep the yields high which is why they fear WN launching from HOU. GUA/
156 SJOtoLIR : UA has certainly a very well served market in Central America. They frequently modify their weekly frequencies during the high and low seasons and dis
157 Post contains images MGASJO : Well... YN-CHU and YN-CHV (If you want the S/N you can PM me) are here in MGA. The route from Wichita was KICT-KBRO-MMVA-MNMG. Here is one picture of
158 aer : I have to say that the TA livery does look better in blue than in red/red wine colors.
159 Post contains links viaggiare : It may not stop there.. 3x weekly seems to be their magic number lol. Saw an ad in the print edition of El Nuevo Diario last week for new twice–wee
160 viaggiare : And speaking of Nicaragua, lots of potential for growing its tourism and civil aviation (it is approximately the size of New York state and the larges
161 2travel2know2 : That's quite interesting taking into account that Nicaragua doesn't have anything as developed as Bay Islands or places like impressive Tikal or Anti
162 Post contains images yellowtail : It also depends on what a country counts as a "tourist" I can assure you that there is a lot of number massaging going on behind the scenes to keep t
163 clo1973 : Aerocivil recently approved rights to TA/AV for SAL-CLO route, 3x in an E190 plane. Anyone knows if the route will start any time soon?
164 viaggiare : True.. hardly any statistical effort goes into distinguishing between actual foreign tourists and long–term migrants, seasonal workers, traveling n
165 Post contains images yellowtail : Honduras even counts transit pax as "tourists" I did BZE-SAP-SJO...and Honduras counted me as a tourist twice..even collecting my US$37.80 twice
166 SJOtoLIR : ] I think the problem is not focused on the low connectivity at MGA. No fault of aviation-wise necessarily. For example, I've always read here that AA
167 2travel2know2 : DFW; I Can't see AA flying DFW-MGA even once per week. NYC-MGA: market would have to develop tremendously to see this happen, even UA EWR-MGA once pe
168 Post contains images yellowtail : MGA is real chicken and egg....I could see WN making it work from HOU or B6 from FLL
169 viaggiare : Yes.. although having no mega–developements in either the Corn Islands or Isla de Ometepe pleases many and that the streetscapes of León and Grana
170 viaggiare : Agreed.. pretty much anything SoFla or with appropriate connections thereof would benefit from that strong (seasonal?) vfr component.
171 Post contains images 2travel2know2 : One of their charm is their distance to a beach.
172 SJOtoLIR : Both DL LAX-MGA and AM MEX-MGA did operate in the past briefly. I presume the shortage of demand as the explanation for the withdrawal of these fligh
173 yellowtail : The DL LAX-MGA flight was a success. Its withdrawal had nothing to do with the routes success. IT had to do with the canceling of most of the LAX exp
174 SJOtoLIR : Perhaps I've discovered how would they operate the new segment. It's likely the same E90 flying CM PTY-SJO-MGA-SJO and returning the next day as foll
175 2travel2know2 : One can always wish that E190 could do SJO 2020 2200 DAV DAV 0700 0640 SJO 2-3 days per week.. Not the best for DAV since it's not a flight to PTY hu
176 Post contains images yellowtail : Well it is clear that 2travel2know2 longs for PTY - DAV service and it is clear that yellowtail longs for PTY-BZE service Hope we both get what we wa
177 2travel2know2 : Actually this would be even nicer.. SJO 2020 2200 DAV 2245 (0145+) MIA MIA (0315) 0615 DAV 0700 0640 SJO
178 yellowtail : Now Now....baby steps....evolution not revolution
179 SJOtoLIR : It's clear how Copa Airlines is quite interested into the inner Central American traffic due to the existence of SJO-SAP, SJO-TGU, GUA-MGA, MGA-SJO a
180 Post contains links viaggiare : Following up on reply #141 above.. as the parrot cartel continues to be plagued by cancellations at its SJO hub (LR685 bound for MTY and LR691 bound f
181 Post contains links viaggiare : And from today's La República there are two quotes (requires subscription) attributed to the local deputy minister of air transport (btw his boss was
182 SJOtoLIR : As far as I know, the first flight on TA/LR SJO-MTY is being programmed on June 03rd. Check taca.com . For those who know that area, a second runway
183 viaggiare : Correct. The other one (CM4165 SJO–PTY departing 0600) is a 73G. Correct. Orotina won't open anytime before the AERIS contract expires in 2026.. an
184 SJOtoLIR : Once the new CM PTY-SJO-MGA-SJO and back began on May 03rd, the classic CM SJO-PTY with 73G changed its flight number from CM 404 [SJO-PTY] to CM 416
185 viaggiare : Today's round of cancellations affecting the AV/TA SJO hub (confirmed through "estado de vuelos" taca.com) as follows.. LR605 LAX–SJO LR654 SJO–HA
186 2travel2know2 : RE SJO new (other) airport? Would the Tico government oppose that a private group takes over an abandoned/underused runway/aerodrome close to San Jose
187 viaggiare : Reasons why that is highly unlikely can be divided into at least three categories.. 1) topographical: the width of the Valle Central and its orograph
188 Post contains links viaggiare : According to local daily La Nación, the Costa Rican DGAC (through its technical advisory body aka CETAC) is currently discussing possible open skies
189 SJOtoLIR : Any engineering project like the proposed airport involves a bunch of variables that would meet SETENA's environmental impact analysis. I'm afraid ab
190 2travel2know2 : I was thinking in places like Guaplies, Parrita, Jaco, Quepos... Why talk about the government if it'd be a non-government-related, hopefully politic
191 Post contains links and images yellowtail : WN HOU-BOG for US$133...... http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...nited-duel-draws-crowd-3544082.php
192 aer : B6 now WN... where do I file a complaint that BOG is getting all the flights LOL
193 viaggiare : SETENA is a joke.. even the infamous open–pit mining project in Crucitas de Cutris was given environmental feasibility. You did say "close to San J
194 SJOtoLIR : I think this model doesn't meet the requirements for the substitution of the main airport of Costa Rica in the long-term, regarding the long distance
195 viaggiare : DGAC/MOPT remain bogged down with all those endless geological, archeological, edaphological, hydrological, and environmental impact studies.. should
196 SJOtoLIR : KLM is once again announcing the Boeing 777 in Panama City as follows: October 28: KL AMS-PTY 5x weekly with 77W + 2x weekly; equipment unknown Decemb
197 Post contains links viaggiare : La Nación this evening confirms AM CUN–SJO 3x weekly starting next month and quotes local tourism board officials as saying there will be a new ser
198 SJOtoLIR : From the above press release: "Esta aerolínea inició operaciones en Costa Rica el 15 de marzo del 2012 y cuenta con un vuelo diario desde el Distrit
199 SHAQ : I feel so proud of my home airport! Are you sure that they'll jump from MD-11 to the 77W Impressive, congrats to KL for this one.
200 RCS763AV : Wow! That's a big jump in PTY capacity, good for them! It's great to see these two airports well connected, as one could say AMS is the PTY of Europe
201 2travel2know2 : Indeed that's a big capacity increase and please be reminded that the KL/CM cooperation is an inter-alliance one. However - and regardless of the now
202 yellowtail : You will see LH long before anything BA/VS.....unless CM were to do it themselves.
203 Post contains images copa330200 : from MD11 to 77W is a huge jump !!!! well done !!!! MD11 will be missed on the approach to PTY all evenings
204 Post contains links and images juanchito : There was a little incident today in GUA a Convair 580 operated by DHL crash landed Juanchito
205 SJOtoLIR : Absolutely ! I've just checked it at amadeus.net and the Boeing 777 wide body-jet is being displayed in that filter period. . Same with PTY-FRA. Rega
206 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : The new thread is already running ! Follow up: Central American Aviation Thread. Part 48 (by SJOtoLIR May 11 2012 in Civil Aviation) Moderators, pleas
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