British Airways (IAG) plans to deploy its first Airbus SAS (EAD) A380 superjumbos on flights to New York and three Asian metropolises while using Boeing Co. (BA)’s smaller 787 Dreamliner to develop new destinations in emerging markets.
BA will take delivery of 12 525-seat A380s starting next year and is looking at using the double-deckers on high-density routes from London’s Heathrow airport to Hong Kong, Beijing and Singapore, as well as on its busiest trans-Atlantic service.
[Edited 2012-03-01 05:44:15]
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AIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2367 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 24668 times:
Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter):
Huh, fat lot I know. Only the other day on here I was swearing blind BA wouldn't send the A380 to Kennedy
BA will send the A380 to destinations requiring more than 24hs for a rotation (HKG, PEK or SIN). That also means that it needs to find shorter routes where the A380 can do a rotation in let's say less than 18 hours. That way, 2 A380s can be used for 2 routes... In that case, JFK is the ideal shorter sector for the A380.
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7413 posts, RR: 7 Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 24521 times:
Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter): BA will take delivery of 12 525-seat A380s starting next year and is looking at using the double-deckers on high-density routes from London’s Heathrow airport to Hong Kong, Beijing and Singapore, as well as on its busiest trans-Atlantic service.
When we will see the seating configuration and new Club World features for the BA A380 ? It will probably seat 425 passengers in BA's version.
CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 63 Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 24453 times:
I'll be on the inaugural JFK if/when they do it. Cant wait.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 63 Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 23743 times:
Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 7): Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter):
Boeing Co. (BA)’s smaller 787 Dreamliner to develop new destinations in emerging markets.
The first 7 B787 will replace B767 in longhaul. So if you want to guess where they are going, look at the B767 routes!
Baltimore, Nassau, Toronto, Newark, Philly, Grand Cayman, Lusaka, Dar es Salaam, Entebbe, Calgary, Montreal.
Assume YYZ, YUL, YYC and PHL the first routes.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
mogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 23556 times:
Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter): British Airways (IAG) plans to deploy its first Airbus SAS (EAD) A380 superjumbos on flights to New York and three Asian metropolises while using Boeing Co. (BA)’s smaller 787 Dreamliner to develop new destinations in emerging markets.
BA will take delivery of 12 525-seat A380s starting next year and is looking at using the double-deckers on high-density routes from London’s Heathrow airport to Hong Kong, Beijing and Singapore, as well as on its busiest trans-Atlantic service.
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10351 posts, RR: 40 Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 23344 times:
Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 7): The first pax service will be in Europe for crew training.
I think the British Airways 380 will look magnificent, probably the best, along with Singapore Airlines.
I would love being on board one of the crew training flights. I am going to call on help in high places so it can happen.
I may even go to Toulouse for the first delivery ceremony (or Hamburg maybe)?
I can hardly wait to see the beautiful new British Airways Mega-Jet.
It will be a gigantic success for BA I am sure..
The mega-jet will be a mega winner.
[Edited 2012-03-01 07:57:48]
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
something From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 24 Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 23018 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 11): I may even go to Toulouse for the first delivery ceremony (or Hamburg maybe)?
All Europe and Middle Eastern destined A380s are delivered from XFW, all others from TLS. So yes, Hamburg.
behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4487 posts, RR: 43 Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 22931 times:
so what exactly is BA's A380 configuration...525 or 425? With it being a premium focused airline with a 4 class configuration on its long haul fleet, I also feel that the A380 would be a 450 seater maximum.
sq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1594 posts, RR: 21 Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 22748 times:
Quoting mikey72 (Thread starter): BA will take delivery of 12 525-seat A380s starting next year and is looking at using the double-deckers on high-density routes from London’s Heathrow airport to Hong Kong, Beijing and Singapore, as well as on its busiest trans-Atlantic service.
Didn't realize Beijing was so far up on their list. I would have thought Narita would get them before PEK?
HKG and SIN makes sense. Is PEK premium heavy for BA?
jetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 412 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 22688 times:
I think JNB would be another target for their A380s. LH, AF, and EK all flying A380s to JNB currently
BlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1737 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 22667 times:
Well, well, well... So much for "BA will never fly A380 to NYC because they prefer frequency over size from LHR" - mantra, populated by many A380 bashers here.
The only thing I have to add is "I told ya!"
I guess we all can put another A.net legend to its well-deserved rest, along with "American will never buy Airbus" one...
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7413 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 22610 times:
Quoting mdavies06 (Reply 5): If EK can put 3 daily A380 flights on LHR-DXB (and no doubt will go to 5 daily in the near future), BA can do the same on JFK surely...
IF BA had 90 A380's then JFK would be all A380, they have 12 and they have to be spread around. JFK will get 1 or 2 but then J'berg , HKG, SIN, PEK, LAX, MIA, YYZ, SFO and IAD could be ports of call for the monster too.
Quoting behramjee (Reply 15): so what exactly is BA's A380 configuration...525 or 425? With it being a premium focused airline with a 4 class configuration on its long haul fleet, I also feel that the A380 would be a 450 seater maximum.
525 is an Airbus "standard" number, 425 is mine because BA has such huge J classes. It could be under 400.
N62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3755 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 22555 times:
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 10):
Bloomberg must be the master of the obvious.
All the media pretty much just use the press releases. Actually speaking to someone is virtually unheard of these days!
aquablue From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 94 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 22442 times:
Will they be upgrading their terminal now, or using T4/T1 at JFK? There won't be time to finish T8 I believe?
mikey72 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 1780 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 22180 times:
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 19): Well, well, well... So much for "BA will never fly A380 to NYC because they prefer frequency over size from LHR" - mantra, populated by many A380 bashers here.
The only thing I have to add is "I told ya!"
Well hang on a minute...there's a big difference you know between substituting 2 services for 1 A380 as oppose to keeping the frequency and simply increasing the size of the aircraft used.
i.e frequency ''and'' size !!
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Speedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 847 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 21013 times:
Read the article, the only statement was that BA would be using the A380 in high density and slot restricted routes and the author of the article assumes that means JFK. BA/IAG has not named any routes and current plans do not include JFK. Terminal 7 can't accomodate the A380 and BA has no plans to move within the next year.
25 Irishpower: I thought SFO and LAX would be getting A380 service for sure! Bummer.
26 mikey72: If BA don't sooner or later send the A380 to LAX i'll eat my hat !
27 mogandoCI: Any armchair CEO with no access to internal data could still predict where BA would deploy those A380s with reasonable accuracy. (I might have guesse
29 rjm777ual: With EY opening IAD from Abu Dhabi, Thats plenty of time for Emirates to send the a380 from DXB.
30 mogandoCI: Wouldn't it'd be shocking if one day they actually deploy the A380 to Newcastle (if the airport could handle it) ?
31 Bongodog1964: If BA do get the BD deal sewn up, and then use some of the slots for new long haul routes, might they not leave the 767's on their existing routes, a
32 B747forever: Do you know on what route(s)? How about ARN I am sure LAX will see the BA A380.
33 BOACCunard: It's about time we see the A380 connecting the world's two greatest cities! I look forward to flying it.
34 anshuk: Subject to Government approval, is there any chance of seeing BA send the A380 to either DEL/BOM? They operate double daily (1X747, 1X777) to both des
35 teme82: If memory serves me right JNB currently is 2x daily 744. So A388 should not have any issues to be at least daily. And from my experience those flight
36 RyanairGuru: I was trying to think where these could go in Europe. FRA, CDG, ZRH, FCO, MAN have A380 service? Anywhere else? Also I could actually seeing it flyin
38 rogercamel: With BA moving to A380 LHR-SIN that means that 5 of the 7 daily flights on the route would be on 380s... 2 out of 3 SQ, 2x QF, and presumably 1 of 2 B
39 sydscott: I would have thought so. I doubt that BA would send their A380 on SIN-SYD but you never know what might happen considering SIN is QF's primary asian
40 RayChuang: I think BA is keeping their 747-400 fleet around for some time because of usefulness to fly to busier US destinations like JFK, LAX, SFO, and so on. I
41 flyglobal: With frequency theory possibly working for LHR - JFK agreed, but going from 7 to 6 daily and replace 2 744 with 2 A380 would still work as a frequenc
42 BlueShamu330s: Though not an outrageous decision, I am still somewhat surprised that JFK is named as being an A380 route from the outset. This lends me to believe th
43 weebie: New York was a sure thing but it will be a long time before other American cities get the A380 Service. Surely Bangkok, Indian cities and Johannesburg
44 JerseyFlyer: Yes, but where are the "New destinations"? These will be places beyond the range of the 763, such as KUL, Jakarta, Manila.
45 bastew: My thoughts also. The article states that the 787 will be intended for new 'asian' destinations. Yet on the other hand they are also meant to be repl
47 VV701: I do not think you could replace 2 744s with a single 380. The 380 might be big but it is not that big. Last summer BA operated six daily 744s and on
48 LHRFlyer: JFK is logical as an initial route for a number of reasons: 1. It can complete a rotation within 24 hours 2. There's plenty of back up if there are te
49 bastew: Hey Speedmarque. Has this been confirmed? Do you know the config breakdown?
50 CHRISBA777ER: Agree with that but we pretty much knew that from the outset. I think BA's workhore in a few years time is going to be a mixed A380 fleet of the curr
51 OA260: Glad to hear it will be on the JFK route , makes sense and will be good for them to have their flagship on their more popular routes. Cant wait to see
52 speedmarque: Hi, Yes that's confirmed. Config is fixed too. It won't be long before its released. There were some briefing trials recently with Worldwide and Mixe
53 RyanairGuru: So the A380 will be operated by both WW and MF? Do you know when it will become clear what type each will be de-rated on to re-train for the A380? I
54 APYu: I wouldnt have thought so at least initially with a relatively small fleet, and wouldnt assume it just as both sets were invited to the briefing - th
55 sq_ek_freak: I'd imagine they would need special permission to put the A380 given that the government of India has barred (rather ridiculously I might add) all ai
56 astuteman: Upgauging 1 of 7 daily flights from a 744 to an A380 is a minute increase in capacity, with zero impact on frequency. Of course, all this shows is th
57 emalad: Am just wondering which routes BA will trial their A380 on before sending it to JFK. It would be brilliant to see it on some European routes, but whic
58 bastew: Hey Ryanair. It was part of the post industrial action 'agreement' last year that 'legacy' crew on the mainline fleets will continue to be trained on
59 RyanairGuru: Interesting. I'd managed to forget the 787! Introducing both could be interesting. Maybe BA will adopt a "C" WW and a "B" MF to be able to integrate
60 laca773: Since LHR-JFK is one of their shorter transatlantic trips, it does make sense, to a point, for BA to start A380 service, if only to train crews on th
61 AirbusA370: I would love to see the A380 on LCY-JFK
62 LJ: The Indian government doesn't allow A380s in DEL (or else EK would use them). Don't know if they have a similar policy for BOM.
63 VV701: I think the starting point here is the potential purchase of BD by IAG and its merger into BA. This immediately reduces the LHR slot problem, at leas
64 contrails15: Is Terminal 7 at JFK 380 ready? From my point of view they have one of the most cramped ramps at JFK and the terminal inside isn't much better.
65 yyz717: What a mistake to put the A380 on the LHR-JFK route. Boarding will take 30 minute longer than the 744 or 772? That's not much fun for the business tra
66 DTWLAX: How can you say that? With one additional jetbridge, I do not see any problem.
67 BlueShamu330s: Respectfully, have you ever witnessed or been part of an A380 boarding process? I've only done 4 A380 sectors, though each boarding was far, far quic
68 anshuk: I'm aware of the policy, perhaps I should rephrase - suppose the Indian Government allows for A380 operations into India, would BA send their A380 th
69 EddieDude: I agree with both sq_ek_freak. NRT PVG were a more obvious assumption than PEK. Interesting! True. BA could do 7x A380 weekly and 7x 77W weekly. I ag
70 skipness1E: Not sure you'd need to worry about the Shannon stopover if you did lol!
71 Speedbird2155: The 787s were always planned to be integrated into LHR and the only impact that the BD purchase may have is to extend the life of the 767s within BA.
72 OA260: As above I found the process alot more organised than on the B744 . Disembarking was equally easy on a full flight.
73 mikey72: I must be missing something here ? It's proving to be a very well received aircraft from a passenger perspective e.g the A380 effect ! You get on, yo
74 rutankrd: All this talk assumes BA are getting a mountain of A388 capacity all at once. They are NOT . In 2013 i think they will have just 2 deliveries , a furt
75 VV701: It is currently 2 x daily, 14 x weekly to JNB all operated by 744s. However it goes to 17 x weekly on 25 March. I do not think JNB is likely to be an
76 lightsaber: Nitpick: The government of India has had a clause in everybilateral I've seen a scan of that says something along the lines of "Nothing larger than a
77 EddieDude: Do you have more info about this proposed BA move to T8? I must say I don't know JFKs T7 or T8... never been there. All I know is that AA's T8 is inc
78 VV701: This is an extract from a slide show in a presentation to BA investors and analysts in May 2010 by Craig Keeger, Senior Vice President International,
79 EddieDude: Thank you very much Alistair. Very appreciated. If I am not mistaken, fellow oneworld member AY is also now at T8. MX would still be there too had it
80 BOACCunard: Also AB. And 9W, not that 9W is about to join oneworld. Yes. It was the only terminal in the US operated by a foreign airline until T1 came along, un
81 AABB777: And QR uses T8, as well as the Admirals Club and Flagship Lounge for Business Class customers.
82 VV701: No. The distinction I make is between what I understand to be a leased and an owned building. I understand that the land and building that comprise T
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