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Indian Aviation Thread: Part 96  
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 18197 times:

Indian Aviation Thread: Part 95 (by LAXDESI Nov 21 2011 in Civil Aviation)
Part 95 has hit 200 posts, so its time for a part 96!

Turkish Airlines and Air India sign a codeshare agreement:
http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/bus...-shareturkish-airlines_675618.html

Quote:
The national carrier Air India today signed a code-share deal with Turkish Airlines which will allow the latter's passengers connect to Air India flights on the Hyderabad, Chennai, Ahmedabad, Bangalore, Kolkata and Amritsar routes.

The deal will also allow both the airlines to market each other's flights by their own code and flight numbers on a free sale basis, a Turkish Airline statement said.

...

Even after being rejected by Star Alliance, it looks like Air India is continually improving bonds with Star Carriers...


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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 17922 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Thread starter):
Turkish Airlines and Air India sign a codeshare agreement:

Good move. I plan on flying Turkish in the future from LAX to MAA with stops in IST(sightseeing) and BOM(visit sister).

Indigo to hike frequencies on domestic, international routes.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...al-routes/articleshow/12112403.cms

Quote:
No-frills carrier Indigo Airlines said it will increase frequencies on the domestic and international routes this summer as it adds nine aircraft to its fleet by the year end.

He said the airline plans to add nine aircraft to its fleet this calendar year, taking the total fleet size to 60.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 17778 times:

Kingfisher misses deadline, more accounts frozen.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...ts-frozen/articleshow/12117550.cms

Quote:
The service tax department has frozen some more bank accounts of debt-crippled Kingfisher Airlines for missing the deadline for clearing dues. Vijay Mallya-promoted Kingfisher had been given time till Wednesday to pay Rs 10 crore as arrears, but it could not meet the deadline till evening. Following this, the department attached all the bank accounts of the airline.

Kingfisher was allowed to operate some accounts on the promise that it would pay up by February 29. A senior service tax official said the airline's management is in talks with CBEC officials to resolve the issue. Kingfisher declined to comment on the matter. The income-tax (IT) department, too, has frozen the airline's bank accounts for non-payment of TDS (tax deducted at source) dues of over Rs 300 crore. Senior officials said the repayment schedule offered by the airline was not acceptable to the department.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 17732 times:

So why did the runway at BLR fail? Interesting piece...
http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...-bangalore-airport-should.html?m=1



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 17398 times:

SpiceJet foresees tough times marred by high fuel and interest cost.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...eil-mills/articleshow/12144595.cms

Quote:
Budget carrier SpiceJet's chief executive Neil Mills feels the aviation sector, marred by high fuel and interest cost in the coming fiscal, will continue to face "tough operating conditions".

"I think the tough conditions will continue for a while in the coming fiscal. Our futures are pegged with oil prices and they are very high right now," Mills said in an interview.

Jet fuel now constitutes about 50 percent of the total operating cost of airlines in India. Domestic airlines are estimated to have lost around Rs.3,000 crore in the first six months of this fiscal.


User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 17305 times:

Does anyone have any suggestions for transit hotels at DEL? I'll have about 12h - scheduled to arrive from IXC at 6 PM and then out at 6 AM the next morning with RJ. Should be a fun trip, but I'd love to catch at least a few hours of sleep and have a proper meal. Has anyone stayed at the on-airport facility (Eaton)? The website is very confusing - it looks like it's inside security and you can't leave as it's in a "transit" area. Very strange. Would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks in advance!

User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17179 times:

It's not all doom and gloom for India's embattled airline sector.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...urbulence/articleshow/12157847.cms

Quote:
IndiGo, a low-fare carrier launched in 2006, has climbed to second place in market share at the expense of Air India and Kingfisher Airlines and is the only one of India's six main carriers making a profit, for now at least.

IndiGo also sells and leases back its planes, sparing its balance sheet and allowing itself to maintain a young fleet. Industry watchers say there is no great secret to IndiGo's success, which they attribute to rigid adherence to a disciplined business plan, a task that grows more complex as the 50-plane airline adds a new plane every month.

IndiGo has 21 percent of the domestic market, behind the combined low-cost and premium operations of Jet Airways, but up from its 17 percent share at the end of 2010. The Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation (CAPA) expects IndiGo to take the top spot from Jet in a few months in an aviation market that grew 17 percent in 2011 and is expected to expand by about 12 percent annually over the next few years.

Last year, IndiGo placed what was then the biggest-ever commercial airline order for 180 Airbus A320s worth $16 billion to be delivered starting in 2015 when an earlier 100-plane order is completed. It also began flying to a handful of foreign destinations using the same narrow-body plane type.

The airline has said it would consider an IPO, but Ghosh said recently it has no current plans to do so. IndiGo says it earned 6.5 billion rupees ($131 million) in the fiscal year that ended last March, a result that Kingfisher's Mallya has questioned.


User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 16953 times:

IT suspended from the IATA Clearing House yet again.

http://www.thehindu.com/business/companies/article2970627.ece


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16703 times:

FYI
Iraqi Restarts Mumbai After Two Decades (by Cricket Mar 15 2012 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16415 times:

http://www.rediff.com/business/slide...oeings-787-dreamliner/20120317.htm

pictures of the AI 787 from HYD... the Y seat colors are not quiet "classy"..... anyone been there?


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 16138 times:

DGCA does not seem to have heard about volksairways.....

Is there no thread on Aviation India 2012 or Im not able to locate it.

[Edited 2012-03-19 01:10:24]


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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 16044 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):
DGCA does not seem to have heard about volksairways.....

Hmm. Interesting... They've been hiring... If the DGCA hasn't heard of them yet, they'll hear pretty soon

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):
Is there no thread on Aviation India 2012 or Im not able to locate it.

No thread



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User currently offlineAI From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15885 times:

http://www.samachar.com/JetLite-disc...gets-Konnect-link-mdtsNrefijd.html

Have read the whole article, & I find Jet's strategy quite confusing.

Apparently JetLite & JetKonnect are merging to form a single low cost entity which will be called JetKonnect. But somewhere else the article quotes Chief Commercial Officer Raghavan "Jet Airways and JetLite will continue as distinct business entities operating under their own airline operating permits" !!

The article also mentions that some JetKonnect flights will have S2 code while others will have 9W codes.

& the article alos mentions "Though low-cost, JetKonnect, he said, will offer premiere services on certain routes, where guests may enjoy service, identical to that enjoyed by the full-service parent Jet".

I am not sure what Jet are trying to do. Why not keep it simple by having a full service bit (Jet - 9W) & a low cost bit (JetKonnect or whatever else they want to call it).


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 15850 times:

Quoting AI (Reply 12):
Have read the whole article, & I find Jet's strategy quite confusing.
Quoting AI (Reply 12):
I am not sure what Jet are trying to do.

I have been already confused by their existing strategy. So they are maybe going from one thing I don't understand to another thing that I don't understand.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 15649 times:

Important week for Kingfisher....

[Edited 2012-03-22 02:37:57]


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 15646 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 11):
No thread

We need to start one then........



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15413 times:

I hope you guys saw this - pics of an old IC A320 which has been scrapped (anyone know which registration and is IC scrapping many of the eight-wheelers?) that got stuck in Narela northwest Delhi
http://www.hindustantimes.com/photos...neondelhiroad/Article4-830330.aspx



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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15353 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 16):
I hope you guys saw this - pics of an old IC A320 which has been scrapped

unique pics.

sad reality - For most onlookers thats the closest they will get to an aircraft.


User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15194 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 16):
(anyone know which registration and is IC scrapping many of the eight-wheelers?) that got stuck in Narela northwest Delhi

I have no idea. But I have the information that there were six IC/AI A320s stored in India and it could be one of that six:

VT-EPE Stored at BOM
VT-EPK Stored at BPM
VT-EPL Stored at CCU
VT-EPP Stored at BOM
VT-EPR Stored at DEL
VT-EPT Stored at DEL

I think, it must be Romeo or Tango...


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 15098 times:

Just to share the outcome of meeting between EK and MoCA.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/e...-indian-aviation-pie/1/179015.html

Cricket: Any additional light you can throw on the above, will be good.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 15040 times:

The question is can INDIGO sustain their profits over the next few quarters......


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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 14923 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 20):
The question is can INDIGO sustain their profits over the next few quarters......

As long as they keep receiving a few planes every quarter, they'll continue in the black and given their order book, they'll be getting at least one plane every month for the next ten years...



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 14895 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 21):

As long as they keep receiving a few planes every quarter, they'll continue in the black and given their order book, they'll be getting at least one plane every month for the next ten years...

So its the new aircraft thats saving them the losses......Is that what you are saying.

Are they returning any older ones back.



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User currently offlineOwleye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 962 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 14880 times:

Captain Gopinath had a cargo-parcel logistic service Deccan 360, he is also initiator of LCC Air Deccan later re-named as Simplify Deccan, later rebranded as Kingfisher Red. What is the status of Kingfisher Red at this moment and will it go bust as well or does it continue under a different brand when parent brand Kingfisher dissappears off the market?


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14705 times:

Deccan 360 A310Fs are not flying anymore.

KF is rumoured to lay off 35000+ staff.Hopefully KF pay them their dues 1st.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14786 times:

Kingfisher Red is being phased out currently. In theory anyway.


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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14646 times:

Does these mean a brighter future for Indian Aviation?


More foreign destinations from India


Pvt carriers free to fly

Indian carriers to fly to 11 new international routes

... Some respite for the ailing Indian aviation market I suppose.   

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 24):
KF is rumoured to lay off 35000+ staff.

Well as of now Kingfisher is rather on a Holding plan rather than layoff.

Kingfisher discloses 'holding plan', no layoffs announced



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 27, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 14615 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 26):

Well as of now Kingfisher is rather on a Holding plan rather than layoff.

Different names  



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User currently offlinebuck3y3nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14581 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 26):

Question is, who actually has the means to fly routes such as DEL-MEL; DEL-SYD? The only one I could think of 9W. Do they have enough planes to start this? Any speculation on start of such service?
Cheers


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14562 times:

Quoting buck3y3nut (Reply 28):

Question is, who actually has the means to fly routes such as DEL-MEL; DEL-SYD? The only one I could think of 9W. Do they have enough planes to start this? Any speculation on start of such service?
Cheers

No.

Nobody is likely to start any of these routes any time soon. The move had basically no impact whatsoever.



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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 30, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14540 times:

Quoting buck3y3nut (Reply 28):
Question is, who actually has the means to fly routes such as DEL-MEL; DEL-SYD? The only one I could think of 9W. Do they have enough planes to start this? Any speculation on start of such service?

"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" - let them eat cakes. This is what a French Queen - supposedly Marie Antoinette - said when she came across peasants who had no bread to eat (sometime before the French Revolution).

The Government of India's very generous route distribution is quite akin to the above. Most of the routes given can only be served by 9W - who is simply in no condition to expand into these markets in the immediate future.

Prediction - Indian Aviation is heading for a revolution. Weak carriers like IT and even AI (to my immense dismay) must die out if the market has to emerge stronger.

brgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14387 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 29):
Nobody is likely to start any of these routes any time soon. The move had basically no impact whatsoever.

well, its as promised....

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 19):
Just to share the outcome of meeting between EK and MoCA.

Singh said that the issue of increasing flight frequency was discussed. In the next six months, Indian carriers will utilise their capacity. "Then, we will discuss it with airlines," Singh said. The minister had recently informed that about 500 to 600 new international routes would be opened up for private carriers mostly to countries like Uzbekistan, Egypt, Ethiopia and Vietnam besides parts of Europe and Australia.

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/e...-indian-aviation-pie/1/179015.html


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 32, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14331 times:

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 30):

Prediction - Indian Aviation is heading for a revolution. Weak carriers like IT and even AI (to my immense dismay) must die out if the market has to emerge stronger

Agree totally.
Get a few more Cargo operators in the market too.



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User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14262 times:

I vaguely remember a bunch of Air India connector flights to/from the international terminals of DEL/BOM to various cities in India (again, to/from the international terms) at odd times of the night. Can anybody tell me if these flights still exist? I looked up the AI website as well as makemytrip but they aren't showing these flights. I'm looking for flights from BLR-BOM departing on the night of 29/04 to make it to the LHR flight departing at 0630 from BOM. I remember the flight departing BLR at either 0030 or 0130. Thanks in advance!

User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14253 times:

Quoting anshuk (Reply 33):
I vaguely remember a bunch of Air India connector flights to/from the international terminals of DEL/BOM to various cities in India (again, to/from the international terms) at odd times of the night. Can anybody tell me if these flights still exist? I looked up the AI website as well as makemytrip but they aren't showing these flights. I'm looking for flights from BLR-BOM departing on the night of 29/04 to make it to the LHR flight departing at 0630 from BOM. I remember the flight departing BLR at either 0030 or 0130. Thanks in advance!

Yes, these flights still exist. They are very convenient.. They often continue on to middle-eastern destinations...
Yeah, these flights still exist. I think that BLR doesn't have any more to BOM/DEL though...



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User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14216 times:

Yeah, they were extremely convenient flights. Somebody I know is looking at AI to fly to the UK, but the last flight from BLR to BOM departs at 2200. 9W it is, I suppose.

User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14235 times:

Quoting anshuk (Reply 35):
Yeah, they were extremely convenient flights. Somebody I know is looking at AI to fly to the UK, but the last flight from BLR to BOM departs at 2200. 9W it is, I suppose.

Flying BLR-DEL-LHR on AI is actually very convenient...



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User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14220 times:

The DEL flight gets into LHR in the evening, a morning arrival is more convenient for us. No doubt, flying through DEL is way more convenient, but we're also looking at BA direct from BLR.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 38, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13948 times:

VJM has promised to pay his staff pending salaries this week.
But things still look tough for KF....



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User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13931 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 34):

Yes, these flights still exist. They are very convenient.. They often continue on to middle-eastern destinations...
Yeah, these flights still exist. I think that BLR doesn't have any more to BOM/DEL though...

Me and my friend took one of these connector flights last year...it was BOM-BLR. We missed our Go Air flight back to BLR so this was our only option left. Wasnt a bad flight actually...we got a sandwich and a muffin as snacks  


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 13920 times:

Quoting caliatenza (Reply 39):
Me and my friend took one of these connector flights last year...it was BOM-BLR. We missed our Go Air flight back to BLR so this was our only option left. Wasnt a bad flight actually...we got a sandwich and a muffin as snacks

Why would you expect a bad flight??? AI has by far the best product for domestic India flights with comfortable seats, good food (I trust the sandwich and muffin were tasty), and reasonably (although probably money-losing) fares....

From a passenger perspective on domestic flights, it really doesn't get better.

I won't comment on Air India's finances - those are obviously a completely different story.



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User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13862 times:

Quoting caliatenza (Reply 39):
Me and my friend took one of these connector flights last year...it was BOM-BLR. We missed our Go Air flight back to BLR so this was our only option left. Wasnt a bad flight actually...we got a sandwich and a muffin as snacks  

What time was the flight? If I recall correctly, when I took the flight back in 2008, I only got a sandwich as well! And a bunch of noisy kids kicking my seat from the back, of course  


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 42, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13827 times:

$3.6 billion Air India restructuring plan approved.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...-approved/articleshow/12519826.cms

Quote:
The long-awaited Rs 18,000 crore financial restructuring plan for cash-strapped Air India has finally been approved by a consortium of 19 banks led by State Bank of India, an official said here on Tuesday.

As part of the airline's restructuring plans, the government had announced an infusion of Rs.4,000 crore($800 million) during the current fiscal, raising the airlines' equity base to Rs 7,345 crore, in the union budget for 2012-13.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 13749 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 42):
$3.6 billion Air India restructuring plan approved.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...-approved/articleshow/12519826.cms

Quote:
The long-awaited Rs 18,000 crore financial restructuring plan for cash-strapped Air India has finally been approved by a consortium of 19 banks led by State Bank of India, an official said here on Tuesday.

As part of the airline's restructuring plans, the government had announced an infusion of Rs.4,000 crore($800 million) during the current fiscal, raising the airlines' equity base to Rs 7,345 crore, in the union budget for 2012-13.

Good, now they have the capital to run the airline. I hope that the management will actually make a decent effort at turning the airline around financially. Not optimistic though  



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User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13651 times:

Does anyone have any recent information or photos from CCU regarding the new terminal?

User currently offlinevikramv1 From India, joined Jul 2011, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 13578 times:

Indian aviation grows 12.3% in February as per reports

http://airliners1.com/?p=1719

Quote :
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Despite severe financial pressures and collapses of airlines, the Indian aviation industry carried 12.3% more passengers than the previous year. This however is much lower than the 16% capacity addition by airlines as compared to the previous year.
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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 46, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13511 times:

Any news on VJMs meet with the staff this week....any Outcomes?.


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User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13416 times:

Does anyone know all the booking classes on AI or where I can possibly find them?

User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 13418 times:

Quoting anshuk (Reply 47):
Does anyone know all the booking classes on AI or where I can possibly find them?

https://www.flyingreturns.co.in/html/er_airindia_flights.php



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 49, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 13362 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 46):
Any news on VJMs meet with the staff this week....any Outcomes?.

As per ET, junior staff will be getting paid a portion of their pending salaries.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...-salaries/articleshow/12536752.cms


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 50, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 13347 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 49):

That was yesterday....They Did not get paid all the arrears.
Heard the Pilots/Engineers are next.....

[Edited 2012-04-04 13:36:05]


Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 51, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 13337 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 50):
That was yesterday....They Did not get paid all the arrears.
Heard the Pilots/Engineers are next.....

If the pilots and engineers are paid(even if partially), it may suggest that the management has an interest in saving the airline.

In other news, it was stated by SBI(lead banker) that IT can survive if the management were to inject equity.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...quity-sbi/articleshow/12534811.cms

Quote:
State Bank of India, the largest lender to Kingfisher Airlines, today said the cash-strapped company will be viable if it gets more equity.

"Fresh viability is there for everyone to see. If they (Kingfisher) get more equity, the company is viable," SBI Chairman Pratip Chaudhuri told reporters here in reply to a question.


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 4
Reply 52, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13352 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 40):
Why would you expect a bad flight??? AI has by far the best product for domestic India flights with comfortable seats, good food

  

Couple of years ago when I was in India, I traveled NAG-BOM on an AI A319......plane was relatively new, clean and spotless, FAs were polite and courteous and I got a warm snack and fruit juice on a domestic flight lasting an hour and 10 minutes....


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 53, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13118 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 51):
If they (Kingfisher) get more equity, the company is viable," SBI Chairman Pratip Chaudhuri told reporters here in reply to a question.

But without a revised mgmt team......Things wont Improve.



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 54, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13075 times:

Jet Airways plans more overseas flights by December 2012.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...mber-2012/articleshow/12554033.cms

Quote:
Naresh Goyal's Jet Airways is spreading its wings to reach more overseas destinations by winter of 2012, and thus coming strikingly close to Air India, India's national airline which currently flies to more overseas destinations.

With the civil aviation ministry ending Air India's monopoly over bilateral traffic rights, allowing all Indian carriers to utilise these, Jet Airways has sought government permission to expand its international services to 518 flights per week from 370 at present by winter of 2012.

The carrier has sought the ministry's approval to add 35 new flights to Germany and seven each to France and Belgium, in addition to seven each to Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sharjah and Vietnam.

Civil aviation minister Ajit Singh recently liberalised the policy on overseas flights where approvals can be granted up to five seasons in advance.

It was in February that the government took away Air India's Right of First Refusal (RoFR) or its exclusive privilege to fly on foreign routes, on which private carriers could not operate unless AI said it won't fly on them.

This was done to increase the utilisation of bilateral rights, of which only 30-35% were so far used by Indian airlines.


User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12974 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 40):

Why would you expect a bad flight??? AI has by far the best product for domestic India flights with comfortable seats, good food (I trust the sandwich and muffin were tasty), and reasonably (although probably money-losing) fares....

Its been ages and ages since ive flown..well ok i never flew AI i flew IC, but in the past few years i did tend to hear less then complementary things about AI, but i was impressed with the service for such a short flight and at such a late hour.

Quoting anshuk (Reply 41):

What time was the flight? If I recall correctly, when I took the flight back in 2008, I only got a sandwich as well! And a bunch of noisy kids kicking my seat from the back, of course

i remember it was past midnight..maybe around 1-1:30 am.


User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12958 times:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/...e/article3287633.ece?homepage=true

"Bengaluru" Airport is to be renamed Kempegowda International Airport. I quite like that they've done it, to be honest.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 57, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12944 times:

Quoting anshuk (Reply 56):
"Bengaluru" Airport is to be renamed Kempegowda International Airport. I quite like that they've done it, to be honest.

Out here its all about naming.....The rest takes a backseat  



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12950 times:

So basically the condition of the Indian Aviation Arena is much like one being having

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 54):

Jet Airways plans more overseas flights by December 2012.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...mber-2012/articleshow/12554033.cms

Ah.... the only category of Aviation News that I love listening to. When was the last time similar stories were heard in the past? maybe 3-4 yrs ago....      

However the Question is --- Where is the metal for all the routes that 9W is so ambitiously and exponentially planning to increase??      



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlinevin2basketball From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12952 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 54):
Naresh Goyal's Jet Airways is spreading its wings to reach more overseas destinations by winter of 2012, and thus coming strikingly close to Air India, India's national airline which currently flies to more overseas destinations.

With the civil aviation ministry ending Air India's monopoly over bilateral traffic rights, allowing all Indian carriers to utilise these, Jet Airways has sought government permission to expand its international services to 518 flights per week from 370 at present by winter of 2012.

The carrier has sought the ministry's approval to add 35 new flights to Germany and seven each to France and Belgium, in addition to seven each to Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sharjah and Vietnam.

Civil aviation minister Ajit Singh recently liberalised the policy on overseas flights where approvals can be granted up to five seasons in advance.

It was in February that the government took away Air India's Right of First Refusal (RoFR) or its exclusive privilege to fly on foreign routes, on which private carriers could not operate unless AI said it won't fly on them.

This was done to increase the utilisation of bilateral rights, of which only 30-35% were so far used by Indian airlines.

Translation: They'll add 20 odd int'l flights daily.

They have "plans" for MNL, SGN, CDG, FRA,PVG and some more to the Gulf,

Additionally, I'd like to seem them add a BLR-BRU-ORD type rotation to fill in the major gaps on the US and Indian sides

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 58):
Ah.... the only category of Aviation News that I love listening to. When was the last time similar stories were heard in the past? maybe 3-4 yrs ago....      

However the Question is --- Where is the metal for all the routes that 9W is so ambitiously and exponentially planning to increase??      


They're taking on a ton of 737NGs over the next few years, will have 5 77Ws rejoin the fleet plus 5 332s and 5 333s coming online in 2012-2013


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12846 times:

Quoting vin2basketball (Reply 59):
Additionally, I'd like to seem them add a BLR-BRU-ORD type rotation to fill in the major gaps on the US and Indian sides

Exactly my thoughts 

Btw any chance they could reopen the PVG-SFO route and also are there any chances of DEL-AMS, which 9W mulled much over last year, to open?

Also whatever happened to 9W planning to join Skyteam. I'm pretty sure they'll reopen talks by year end.



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12843 times:

Quoting caliatenza (Reply 55):

Its been ages and ages since ive flown..well ok i never flew AI i flew IC, but in the past few years i did tend to hear less then complementary things about AI, but i was impressed with the service for such a short flight and at such a late hour.

IC has been the more impressive part of AI for as long as I can remember. The most profitable part as well... However, AI is usually pretty good as well in my experience. Their product is way better than the crappy old aircraft that the European airlines send to India anyway...

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 58):

However the Question is --- Where is the metal for all the routes that 9W is so ambitiously and exponentially planning to increase??

They are scheduled to get a bunch of A330s this year apparently.



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User currently offlinehimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 62, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12791 times:

Why is 9W adding 35 flights on India-Germany sector. Are there plans for a second European hub at FRA/MUC?


An airplane might disappoint any pilot but it'll never surprise a good one.
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12775 times:

Quoting himmat01 (Reply 62):
Why is 9W adding 35 flights on India-Germany sector. Are there plans for a second European hub at FRA/MUC?

They aren't launching 35 flights on India-Germany, unless they want to follow Kingfisher.



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 64, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12711 times:

Quoting himmat01 (Reply 62):
Why is 9W adding 35 flights on India-Germany sector.

If this were to become a reality, I'm pretty sure a third German destination, probably DUS or BER might be linked to India because no way is 9W going to make a hub there as per my guesses.

In any case 35 more flights to Germany from India is still a distant dream.



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 65, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12626 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 64):
In any case 35 more flights to Germany from India is still a distant dream.

I wonder if it is related to 9W joining Star Alliance with a JV with LH in the next few years.


User currently offlinevin2basketball From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12568 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 65):

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 64):
In any case 35 more flights to Germany from India is still a distant dream.

I wonder if it is related to 9W joining Star Alliance with a JV with LH in the next few years.


9W to Star isn't looking too good thanks to the hullabaloo around the AI Star fiasco. 9W might just be pushed towards OneWorld as SkyTeam is actually looking at IndiGo as a feed partner a-la Gol in S. America.

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 60):

Exactly my thoughts 

Btw any chance they could reopen the PVG-SFO route and also are there any chances of DEL-AMS, which 9W mulled much over last year, to open?

Also whatever happened to 9W planning to join Skyteam. I'm pretty sure they'll reopen talks by year end.


PVG-SFO leg isn't likely to happen, as the primary Indian demand to SFO is from BLR, but PVG-SFO would be paired with BOM as BLR does not have enough demand today to PVG.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 63):
Quoting himmat01 (Reply 62):
Why is 9W adding 35 flights on India-Germany sector. Are there plans for a second European hub at FRA/MUC?

They aren't launching 35 flights on India-Germany, unless they want to follow Kingfisher.

Forget the business case, they physically can't add 3 weekly flights to Germany. Lufthansa is at 46 weekly ( FRA-BOM/BLR/DEL/MAA daily, FRA-PNQ 4w, MUC-DEL/BOM daily) and AI is at 7 weekly (DEL-FRA). Germany flights are restricted to 63/wk by the liberalized bilateral.

So best case scenario, they could add daily BOM-FRA with a 3w BOM-MUC or something along those lines, another potential combo is 5w BOM/DEL-FRA.


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12530 times:

Quoting vin2basketball (Reply 66):
Forget the business case, they physically can't add 3 weekly flights to Germany. Lufthansa is at 46 weekly ( FRA-BOM/BLR/DEL/MAA daily, FRA-PNQ 4w, MUC-DEL/BOM daily) and AI is at 7 weekly (DEL-FRA). Germany flights are restricted to 63/wk by the liberalized bilateral.

Im pretty sure that the BASA includes 63 weekly flights per nation, not total.


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4834 posts, RR: 44
Reply 68, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12442 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 67):

Im pretty sure that the BASA includes 63 weekly flights per nation, not total.

100% correct !

Quoting himmat01 (Reply 62):
Why is 9W adding 35 flights on India-Germany sector. Are there plans for a second European hub at FRA/MUC?

I think they will code share on LH operated flights here rather than use their own metal.

With regards to the new routes, it most likely shall be as follows:

DEL-SGN daily B737 which will serve both as a feeder for CDG/MXP as well as rapidly expanding India-Vietnam tourism/business market segments!

DEL-CDG daily A332

BLR-BRU daily A332...hopefully JFK will be suspended and instead ORD launched!

DEL-RUH daily B737...desperately required !

The extra DOH daily frequency will come from South India (either TRV or MAA)
DEL-BKK is in desperate need of a second daily B737 operated frequency with a 0200 departure out of DEL and arrival back between 2200-2330.

For KWI, it should be MAA-KWI nonstop as the annual market size on this sector is 178,000 pax and only KU operates it 4 times per week nonstop using an A310. FYI MAA-KWI is the largest Indian subcontinent market segment out of KWI...yes even bigger than KWI-COK/BOM/DEL/TRV!!!

What is the delivery schedule of the newly ordered 9W A333s?

9W needs to also look at MAN-BOM nonstop 5 times per week using an A332 as there is a huge O&D market that needs a nonstop service i.e. 78,000 pax in 2011 alone. Plus they will get excellent feed via BOM to DAC/CMB/BKK/HKG/South India/AMD!


User currently offlinesimfanatic From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12426 times:

9W did however once state that they were interested in starting a route to BER, once it was open. So I guess they would actually physically stay out of FRA and MUC, and then go for DUS and BER, either codesharing with LH on their FRA/MUC-India sectors, or with AB from their Hubs in DUS and BER. The latter however is the less realistic option.


Don't be a fool, think about what you're writing!
User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12301 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 61):

IC has been the more impressive part of AI for as long as I can remember. The most profitable part as well... However, AI is usually pretty good as well in my experience. Their product is way better than the crappy old aircraft that the European airlines send to India anyway...

I still fondly remember my flights with IC as a child...the candies that were handed out before take off, along with the mango juice  . Even the international flights were quite good (i used to fly IC to BLR from SIN back when BLR was a quaint town with very limited international air service). I never got the chance to fly AI internationally. I fly ex LAX to India...and i never flew AI in that brief period they had service to LAX.


User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12116 times:

Quoting caliatenza (Reply 70):
I still fondly remember my flights with IC as a child...the candies that were handed out before take off, along with the mango juice  . Even the international flights were quite good (i used to fly IC to BLR from SIN back when BLR was a quaint town with very limited international air service). I never got the chance to fly AI internationally. I fly ex LAX to India...and i never flew AI in that brief period they had service to LAX.

I remember as a kid I used to stay up till half past midnight every Saturday to watch an AI flight come in to land. Don't remember where it was from but I think it was an A300/310. Good old days!  

Looks like IT has finally paid out salaries after a full four months:

http://www.thehindu.com/business/companies/article3296945.ece


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12065 times:

Quoting anshuk (Reply 71):

Looks like IT has finally paid out salaries after a full four months:

For December.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 73, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11782 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 72):

For December.

Disappointing......



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11779 times:

Does anyone know if VS plans to expand beyond BOM in India? I suspect not but wanted to get your opinions.
Also what do you think will be the next international carrier to come to India?

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 44):
Does anyone have any recent information or photos from CCU regarding the new terminal?

Btw, any news on this? Please let me know if someone has been to CCU lately or has any information.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11758 times:

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 74):
Does anyone know if VS plans to expand beyond BOM in India?

Doubtful - they'd be competing head on with BA on any viable destination.

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 74):
Also what do you think will be the next international carrier to come to India?

Scoot



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User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11703 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 75):

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 74):
Does anyone know if VS plans to expand beyond BOM in India?

Doubtful - they'd be competing head on with BA on any viable destination.

This is what I suspected as well. Even without BA I doubt VS would have made further inroads into India. Maybe DEL but with BA even that is out. One of our partners in India was asking so I thought I would collect some more thoughts. Thank you.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 75):
Quoting pnd100 (Reply 74):
Also what do you think will be the next international carrier to come to India?

Scoot

Hmmm interesting. There is no doubt that India-Australia is underserved. What other segments or markets do you all think may be viable ex India?


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 77, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11696 times:

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 74):

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 44):
Does anyone have any recent information or photos from CCU regarding the new terminal?

Btw, any news on this? Please let me know if someone has been to CCU lately or has any information.
Mamata Banerjee asks Airports Authority of India to commission new terminal by June

However, based on the progressions I saw when I flew through CCU last month, June is still a far cry. None of the jetways were fully completed, and only the outer shell of the terminal building was in place. Judging by the pace of the work, I think only around Diwali this year is the inauguration even remotely possible.

Unless AAI and Mamatadi want the roof to fall down, I don't believe summer is possible, but again, Indian workforce is known to pull off last minuters... viz Commonwealth Games, F1 Indian GP.  http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/507/img00295.jpg/sr=1
This is a picture from around Nov '11, but what I saw last month was somewhat similar.



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11674 times:

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 76):

This is what I suspected as well. Even without BA I doubt VS would have made further inroads into India. Maybe DEL but with BA even that is out. One of our partners in India was asking so I thought I would collect some more thoughts. Thank you.
Not sure what you mean? VA already has announced DEL (A330 from July) - I thought that was already included in destinations when you said expansion. If not, I will make the sage prediction that VA will serve DEL  

Further expansion is highly unlikely.

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 76):

Hmmm interesting. There is no doubt that India-Australia is underserved. What other segments or markets do you all think may be viable ex India?


The GoI would like to stregnthen relations with countries in Africa and Central Asia (the "stans"), along with Iran and Russia. Part of this effort by the foreign ministry has been putting pressure on AI to launch routes to destinations in these countries, even if it would be highly unprofitable. However, there are also a lot of destinations in these countries which are currently underserved or will become underserved in the near future.

India-China is also underserved, but that is mostly because of the frosty relationship between India and China.

India-Pakistan is underserved - there is some demand on these routes, which currently all goes through the gulf. A Karachi/Lahore/Islamabad-Mumbai/Delhi route on a A320 would be a very successful route for any airline that wanted to try it (would probably be IC (AI) if it happened)

[Edited 2012-04-11 11:08:55]


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User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11483 times:

Thank you, I was aware of the speculation re VS-DEL but unaware of the announcement. Therefore your "sage prediction" has educated me

Regarding the markets, India-Pakistan is the obvious one but that is outside of airline hands. India-China I think will grow over time, I'm not sure if it can be considered underserved at the moment based on traffic reports. It seems right for the current traffic. Future traffic or traffic potential is not what I am asking. I was more interested in which markets have flights where current demand would warrant more. From your point Russia & Iran were interesting. I could see both of these markets growing ex India now. Conversely what current markets are saturated in everyone's view?

JOYA380B747, thanks for this information, I was beginning to worry that no one would be able to respond! As for the last minute Indian work ethic, in my opinion based on my experience, this can be pulled off in India, but not necessarily in Kolkata. I do not see a CWG / F1 type of scenario happening here. Nevertheless CM Bannerjee has made things happen before that no one could have predicted so let's see


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 80, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 11463 times:

Thread on AI restructuring.
AI To Get $6B, Relocate 19,000 Employees (by LAXDESI Apr 12 2012 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 11457 times:

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 79):
Conversely what current markets are saturated in everyone's view?

Thailand, big time. Far too much capacity available to BKK, which usually tends to be (relative) trash yield leisure traffic.

India-UK is also overserved somewhat - there is more capacity than profitable demand. Obviously, there is tons of demand if airlines slash fares sufficiently.

Service to the Gulf is saturated, but misallocated. There is a lot of demand on the types of routes that IX flies, but not a lot of capacity. Conversely, there are too many flights on major Gulf metros to major Indian metros.



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 82, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11258 times:

Taken from ET

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/photo/12656355.cms



Is it true the first 787 will do domestic?! I'm guessing that will obviously do DEL-BOM, but are the domestic gates in the major Indian airports large enough to accommodate it?

Also will the Aussie flight be DEL-MEL-SYD as it says here OR DEL-MEL/ DEL-SYD



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 83, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11219 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 77):
However, based on the progressions I saw when I flew through CCU last month, June is still a far cry. None of the jetways were fully completed, and only the outer shell of the terminal building was in place. Judging by the pace of the work, I think only around Diwali this year is the inauguration even remotely possible.

I had a quick tour of the work in progress in CCU yesterday (I am in the airline industry). The terminal looks quite impressive in concept and design, glassy, curvy, high ceilings, reminiscent of LHR T5 (on a much smaller scale). And quality of workmanship seems quite high, hundreds of construction workers working away. Nice motifs such as tastefully done large font Tagore scripts on the ceilings etc. Much more architecturally impressive (and larger) than BLR for sure. Will have 17-19 airbridges. And a direct flyover access from the main road.

Opening will likely be October, with a soft or limited opening hoped for July (apparently three smaller foreign airlines have been asked if they want to be the guinea pigs). Who knows, they may make it, judging from how in India things get done in a scramble at the last minute. I hope the finish is good, and that operational processes and customer service are also improved, not just the building! For a starters, they should keep it clean and clear the trash!


User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11209 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 81):
India-UK is also overserved somewhat - there is more capacity than profitable demand. Obviously, there is tons of demand if airlines slash fares sufficiently.

The fares you to be extremely low about 2.5-3 years ago, but since then they have been on a steady upward climb. BA seems to do well from all the stations it flies from, but I'm not sure about 9W and AI.

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 82):
Is it true the first 787 will do domestic?! I'm guessing that will obviously do DEL-BOM, but are the domestic gates in the major Indian airports large enough to accommodate it?

ET is quite an unreliable newspaper. Nonetheless, 787 on domestic routes is entirely plausible for the purposes of crew familiarisation.

AI already flies the A330 on domestic routes and I'm pretty sure 9W has occasionally flown both the A330 and the 77W on DEL-BOM.


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Reply 85, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11193 times:

Quoting anshuk (Reply 84):
AI already flies the A330 on domestic routes and I'm pretty sure 9W has occasionally flown both the A330 and the 77W on DEL-BOM

Thanks but just out of curiosity and my humble lack of knowledge, where in the domestic area would/do they park them?
T3 domestic stands at the gates are very closely spaced for a widebody and BOM barely has space at all.

Quoting sankaps (Reply 83):
I had a quick tour of the work in progress in CCU yesterday

Thanks very much, first person I found to give an actual account of what the terminal is going to be like. Despite all the flaws with CCU and the State govt I sincerely hope shortcomings are not shown in the new terminal as and when it begins, as they usually do with every thing in my State. To say Calcutta, the 3rd largest city, has the 5th busiest overall and 9th busiest international airport in the country is a personal shame. Get it right Mamata.



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User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11179 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 83):
I had a quick tour of the work in progress in CCU yesterday (I am in the airline industry). The terminal looks quite impressive in concept and design, glassy, curvy, high ceilings, reminiscent of LHR T5 (on a much smaller scale). And quality of workmanship seems quite high, hundreds of construction workers working away. Nice motifs such as tastefully done large font Tagore scripts on the ceilings etc. Much more architecturally impressive (and larger) than BLR for sure. Will have 17-19 airbridges. And a direct flyover access from the main road.

Opening will likely be October, with a soft or limited opening hoped for July (apparently three smaller foreign airlines have been asked if they want to be the guinea pigs). Who knows, they may make it, judging from how in India things get done in a scramble at the last minute. I hope the finish is good, and that operational processes and customer service are also improved, not just the building! For a starters, they should keep it clean and clear the trash!

First of all sankaps thank you for the detailed description! It appears very encouraging but you hit the nail on the head with the last couple of sentences. There is no doubt that with such a large population Indians have great building & finishing power but sometimes Indian talent for service remains untapped. DEL was impressive not for the gold elephants in the building but because of the service they provided. I mean when we saw the smiles on their faces & genuine desire to help we were floored given our experiences of the indifferent staff prior. This is something I hope is recreated at CCU as well.

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 85):
Thanks very much, first person I found to give an actual account of what the terminal is going to be like. Despite all the flaws with CCU and the State govt I sincerely hope shortcomings are not shown in the new terminal as and when it begins, as they usually do with every thing in my State. To say Calcutta, the 3rd largest city, has the 5th busiest overall and 9th busiest international airport in the country is a personal shame. Get it right Mamata.

It is encouraging to see someone with your attitude. I've been to CCU many times & any suggestion of improvement is often misinterpreted as an insult by locals. They don't see that if we suggest improvement its because we want to see the city / country / airport do better. I was not able to see Calcutta in the heyday of the 1960s but it also saddens me to see the former capital of the country, a city with so much potential in the state that it is today. CCU used to be the gateway airport to India, served by Pan Am & BOAC. Today it's almost mockingly called the gateway to the northeast? I really hope they get the new terminal right & that it serves as a springboard to improvement in infrastructure throughout Kolkata.


User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11168 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 85):
Thanks but just out of curiosity and my humble lack of knowledge, where in the domestic area would/do they park them?
T3 domestic stands at the gates are very closely spaced for a widebody and BOM barely has space at all.

I have no idea, to be honest! I know in BOM they tend to park domestic flights on the international and cargo aprons during busy times (as the peak hour for international travel starts late at night) and bus the passengers to the terminals. I can tell you for sure soon as I know someone who will be travelling on BLR-BOM on AI 610 soon, which is operated by the A330. I'm not sure if its a daily A330 or only on certain days of the week.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11170 times:

AI is able to operate domestic flights as international flights - they could just fly T3 International to Sahar.


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Reply 89, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11177 times:

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 86):
I was not able to see Calcutta in the heyday of the 1960s but it also saddens me to see the former capital of the country, a city with so much potential in the state that it is today. CCU used to be the gateway airport to India, served by Pan Am & BOAC

In the 50s and early 60s, CCU was one of the busiest international airports in Asia... on par with HKG and perhaps second only to HND, ahead of BOM, DEL, BKK, SIN, etc. DXB was just a village.

Alas, those days are long gone and looks like with the current Chief Minister, things will only get worse in terms of industry and economy.

[Edited 2012-04-14 09:23:44]

User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11156 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 88):
AI is able to operate domestic flights as international flights - they could just fly T3 International to Sahar.

AI 609/610 operate from Terminal 1 of BOM..


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 91, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11139 times:

Quoting anshuk (Reply 87):
I can tell you for sure soon as I know someone who will be travelling on BLR-BOM on AI 610 soon, which is operated by the A330. I'm not sure if its a daily A330 or only on certain days of the week.

If its an A330, then most definitely parking in the international apron. I very much doubt BOM airport has provision for a Code D in the domestic side. May be in Terminal 1A.

Ojas? Any idea?



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User currently offlinevin2basketball From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11135 times:

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 86):
It is encouraging to see someone with your attitude. I've been to CCU many times & any suggestion of improvement is often misinterpreted as an insult by locals. They don't see that if we suggest improvement its because we want to see the city / country / airport do better. I was not able to see Calcutta in the heyday of the 1960s but it also saddens me to see the former capital of the country, a city with so much potential in the state that it is today. CCU used to be the gateway airport to India, served by Pan Am & BOAC. Today it's almost mockingly called the gateway to the northeast? I really hope they get the new terminal right & that it serves as a springboard to improvement in infrastructure throughout Kolkata.

Remember, CCU is a very educated area, with lots of talent. In spite of the poor govt. environment, Bengal has attracted a ton of FDI, especially in IT. If CCU had the govt of Gujarat (w. regards to education), I firmly believe that CCU would be India's second city (economically), though communism might be ingrained by now.


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Reply 93, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11085 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 91):
If its an A330, then most definitely parking in the international apron. I very much doubt BOM airport has provision for a Code D in the domestic side. May be in Terminal 1A.

I know for a fact that a few domestic flights are parked on the international apron during the domestic peak hours. Not sure if this still happens but it definitely happened in the past. But yes, Ojas can probably tell us best!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 94, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11068 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 91):
f its an A330, then most definitely parking in the international apron. I very much doubt BOM airport has provision for a Code D in the domestic side. May be in Terminal 1A.

Not any more.....If not mistaken Domestic Bays are all max code c.
Code D are at the International apron.



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User currently offlineVIDP From India, joined Feb 2010, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10986 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 95):
Not any more.....If not mistaken Domestic Bays are all max code c.
Code D are at the International apron.

I wonder how jet manages when they repo their A332 once a week from DEL to BOM. Are they transferring pax from international apron to the domestic terminal ?? That would be one long affair.


User currently offline15A From India, joined Jan 2006, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10929 times:

Quoting VIDP (Reply 95):

9w parks several 737 as well on the international apron since they rotate aircraft between domestic & international runs. It is one long & very painful ride & the bags take forever to come as well. So for 9w (& their suffering pax) transferring pax between the domestic & international apron is common


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 97, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10892 times:

Quoting VIDP (Reply 95):

I wonder how jet manages when they repo their A332 once a week from DEL to BOM. Are they transferring pax from international apron to the domestic terminal ?? That would be one long affair.

A332 is at the International Apron....Including a number of B737/A320s too....The Boarding starts very early & there is a Looong drive to the International bays  



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 98, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10891 times:

Royal Brunei BI098 Emergency Landing In Mumbai (by fauzi Apr 15 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Anyone aware...

[Edited 2012-04-15 02:07:39]


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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 99, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10879 times:

Photo of the new CCU airport terminal taken today.

Kolkata (Calcutta / CCU)'s new terminal under construction, expected to open later in 2012.


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10817 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 99):

Much appreciated for the upload, Thanks a ton  

Whats remains to be seen also is how well are they going to develop the airport complexes, approach roads like easing traffic at VIP road-airport road-Barasat crossings, and also whether the train link is going to be converted and merged with the new Metro routes at least in this decade or not.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10803 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 99):

Looking nice  



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2981 posts, RR: 25
Reply 102, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10757 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 91):
If its an A330, then most definitely parking in the international apron. I very much doubt BOM airport has provision for a Code D in the domestic side. May be in Terminal 1A.

Ojas? Any idea?

At BOM, it is the international apron and mostly at some remote bay, the same can be done at BLR.



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User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10747 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 99):

Amazing sankaps! Thanks for the upload of a great shot. Looks like the October prediction is more reasonable but it's looking better than expected. Fingers crossed that the staff, procedure, cleanliness is also up to par. Maybe there is some hope for CCU after all?


User currently offlineCOEWR787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 338 posts, RR: 3
Reply 104, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10713 times:

I am looking forward to use the new terminal at CCU when I visit in December. It is starting to look real finally!

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Reply 105, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10666 times:

Another, closer view of the CCU terminal under construction, from the series of photos taken upon takeoff yesterday...

CCU new airport terminal under construction, photo taken April 15, 2012


[Edited 2012-04-15 17:31:15]

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Reply 106, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10658 times:

Scale relative to existing CCU domestic terminal (completed in the 90s, but looks like it could be from the 50s!) is evident in this photo (note that only half of each terminal is visible here)

CCU new terminal scale vs current domestic terminal


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Reply 107, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10563 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 102):
At BOM, it is the international apron and mostly at some remote bay, the same can be done at BLR.

Bangalore, all contact stands and mixed 2 x Code C / 1 x Code E capable. But I understand AI has not yet commenced A330 ops in BLR. Still all narrow body.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 108, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10521 times:

Amazing pics of CCU.


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User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10447 times:

You guys need to help me, historically speaking it is scary to look forward to any project related to Kolkata & CCU. We've been let down so many times before  

sankaps, your pictures have given us a dangerous hope! Bring me back down to earth with tales of delayed construction or missing items. I mean right now I am actually thinking there is hope for CCU after all! :p


User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10406 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 107):
Bangalore, all contact stands and mixed 2 x Code C / 1 x Code E capable. But I understand AI has not yet commenced A330 ops in BLR. Still all narrow body.

Just checked for flights on the AI website, the A330 is definitely operating into BLR. Not sure on what days, but until unless the maiden flight is day after tomorrow, this is not the case.


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10383 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 106):
Scale relative to existing CCU domestic terminal (completed in the 90s, but looks like it could be from the 50s!) is evident in this photo (note that only half of each terminal is visible here)

But if you look at it.... when the domestic terminal was upgraded in the mid/late 90s, it was the best domestic terminal in India, with high ceilings, double floors and escalators jetways and all, I still remember traveling through it when I was a kid.
DEL and BOM T1s were ridiculous compared to it, then.....

and then we grew up, but CCU never did... up until now  



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Reply 112, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10369 times:

Update on India's plan to develop 90-seat aircraft. Expected to cost nearly $1 billion to design, and another $600 million for test aircraft and testing.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...gn-bureau/articleshow/12685860.cms

Quote:
India is working on developing its own 90-seater civilian aircraft with the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) saying "the strategy for its production has already been evolved" with the design "planned to have unique features like enhanced fuel efficiency, use of bio fuel with low carbon footprint, short to long range haul, shorter air strip requirement and ultra modern avionics".

A design bureau has been set up to undertake indigenous design and development of the plane, called the National Civil Aircraft (NCA-90 ). A total of seven prototypes are proposed to be developed by CSIR along with the National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL) "to prove the design and demonstrate compliance with respect to airworthiness requirements and certification".

According to the CSIR, most developed countries have their own national aircraft. "It is a niche technology. No country wants to share it with others. India has its desired expertise through NAL to develop its very own national civilian aircraft," Dr Kumar said.


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Reply 113, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10368 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 112):
Update on India's plan to develop 90-seat aircraft. Expected to cost nearly $1 billion to design, and another $600 million for test aircraft and testing.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...gn-bureau/articleshow/12685860.cms

Quote:

Is this some sort of an ego competition with Brazil and/or China? Until unless the Government forces AI to buy it, I doubt there are going to be too many customers for this $1.6 billion project!


User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10327 times:

Quoting anshuk (Reply 113):
Is this some sort of an ego competition with Brazil and/or China? Until unless the Government forces AI to buy it, I doubt there are going to be too many customers for this $1.6 billion project!

I agree that buyers may be hard to find. They will have stiff competition though from established RJ manufacturers in Canada, Brazil, Russia & Ukraine along with the new players in China & Japan. However, even if the aircraft itself is not a commercial success it could still have ancillary benefits to Indian companies (parts, etc). At least the $1.6 billion project will gain technical expertise & experience for those in the Indian aerospace industry.

What kind of return do you think the Indian RJ project would have had with $6 billion instead of $1.6?


User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10329 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 111):
But if you look at it.... when the domestic terminal was upgraded in the mid/late 90s, it was the best domestic terminal in India, with high ceilings, double floors and escalators jetways and all, I still remember traveling through it when I was a kid.
DEL and BOM T1s were ridiculous compared to it, then.....

and then we grew up, but CCU never did... up until now  

Agreed. Kolkata is strange in that sense. Infrastructure all over the city has this "frozen in time" quality to it. How it was then is how it still is years later. That may be great in terms of a historic monument but not for infrastructure that is meant to be used by millions. It is my sincere hope that the city gets this right. Upgrades when necessary. Maintenance on time. Otherwise it will go the way of other once proud buildings & systems in Kolkata.


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 116, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10241 times:

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 115):
Agreed. Kolkata is strange in that sense. Infrastructure all over the city has this "frozen in time" quality to it. How it was then is how it still is years later. That may be great in terms of a historic monument but not for infrastructure that is meant to be used by millions.

There is actually a whole lot of infrastructure development going on in Calcutta right now (started by the previous regime, not the mad lady) -- Metro extension, flyovers, hotels, office complexes, malls, new residential developments, etc. The city looks like a construction site in many places, and that is a good thing. Would post some photos I have taken, but this is the wrong forum...


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Reply 117, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10194 times:

Quoting anshuk (Reply 110):
Just checked for flights on the AI website, the A330 is definitely operating into BLR. Not sure on what days, but until unless the maiden flight is day after tomorrow, this is not the case.

AI was supposed to operate an A330 but it is still A320 as of now. Got the information direct from airport operations, not AI web site.



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Reply 118, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10189 times:

The link below suggests that Indigo had profits in the range of $10-$20 million for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2012. It had reported a profit of nearly $120 million for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2011.
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2012/04/indigo-raises-hope-in-skies.html

Quote:
Amid the carnage in the Indian aviation sector, budget airline IndiGo, promoted by InterGlobe group, has recorded profits for last financial year. Industry official aver that IndiGo will be the only domestic airline to do so, in 2011-12.


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Reply 119, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10170 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 118):
The link below suggests that Indigo had profits in the range of $10-$20 million for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2012.

There is no doubt that IndiGo is a well run and efficient operation. However, I get this niggling suspicion that their profits are more due to their sale and lease back rather than their operational efficiencies itself. I am hoping that I am wrong.

Pity they are not publicly listed.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 120, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10133 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 111):
But if you look at it.... when the domestic terminal was upgraded in the mid/late 90s, it was the best domestic terminal in India, with high ceilings, double floors and escalators jetways and all, I still remember traveling through it when I was a kid.

Hahahaha, so do I. In the early 90's Kolkata was one of the first domestic sides of any Indian airport to get aerobridges. I
used to fly IC 263/4 and IC 401/2 between DEL and CCU at least twice a year. The waitlists!

But these pics of the new terminal of CCU look really nice, but I hope they can finish it by the end of the year. And then not stop, use the new terminal as a basis to break down and rebuild the old side of the airport!



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User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10073 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 119):
There is no doubt that IndiGo is a well run and efficient operation. However, I get this niggling suspicion that their profits are more due to their sale and lease back rather than their operational efficiencies itself. I am hoping that I am wrong.

Pity they are not publicly listed.

I agree that the profits may be more due to the sale / lease back. Having dealt with IndiGo for business I was also impressed with the "tight ship" their management appeared to run. They are among the most professional airlines in India in terms of staff. By the way BLRAviation, check your private messages.


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Reply 122, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10048 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 119):
There is no doubt that IndiGo is a well run and efficient operation. However, I get this niggling suspicion that their profits are more due to their sale and lease back rather than their operational efficiencies itself.

The future quarters will determine the course of the next few yrs.



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9994 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 120):
But these pics of the new terminal of CCU look really nice, but I hope they can finish it by the end of the year. And then not stop, use the new terminal as a basis to break down and rebuild the old side of the airport!

Judging by the terminal design as sankaps pics point out, I'm pretty sure they have expansion in the future in mind. They can easily demolish the old terminals later and keep extending the new terminal once that reaches capacity, much like BLR terminal's extendable design.


In fact the sooner they finish the terminal, the quicker they can regain their lost position amongst the major Indian airports for both domestic and international pax. I still believe it can trounce COK, TRV, AMD, and others and maybe even HYD in international pax once the terminal is in full swing.



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 124, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9810 times:

Airfares on busy routes go up by 10-25 per cent. If sustained, higher fares should help the sector reduce its large losses.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...-per-cent/articleshow/12718382.cms

Quote:
One reason for the high fares was that the airlines, including the no-frill carriers, were cashing in on the severely curtailed services of the ailing Kingfisher Airlines.

On the busiest Delhi-Mumbai route on which the last- minute return economy airfares averaged about Rs 9,000-10,000 in February when Kingfisher was carrying out large-scale cancellations, now range between a low of Rs 11,300 and a high of Rs 22,800.

Similarly, on the Delhi-Bangalore sector, economy return fares rose from an average of Rs 12,000-15,500 to Rs 17,000- 23,000. The Delhi-Kolkata route saw a jump from Rs 10,000- 12,000 to between Rs 15,000 and Rs 18,000, while that for Delhi-Srinagar ranged from Rs 10,500 to as high as Rs 34,194. The Delhi-Chennai return fare now ranges between Rs 15,000 and Rs 20,500, while that on the Delhi-Hyderabad sector between Rs 15,000 and Rs 19,000.

Travel agents also confirmed the development, saying reduction of Kingfisher flights on some sectors have led to almost doubling of fares, with low fare buckets vanishing very soon. They also expected the fares to shoot up further when the holiday season actually began in May.


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Reply 125, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9773 times:

Spicejet(B737 fleet) says approached by Gulf, Asian carriers for a stake. FlyDubai(B738 fleet) and AirAsia(A320 fleet) as potential investors come to mind.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...-carriers/articleshow/12720739.cms

Quote:
Spicejet has been approached by several Gulf-based and Southeast Asian airlines but will not jump into negotiations until the government reaches a crucial decision on foreign investment, its chief executive said on Wednesday.

"We have been approached by several Gulf and Southeast Asian airlines, all on a tentative basis," Neil Mills, the loss-making budget carrier's chief executive, told.

India allows up to 49 per cent foreign investment in Indian carriers but bars foreign carriers from picking up stakes. The government is expected to make a decision on Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) rules this week.


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Reply 126, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9587 times:

Some good news for AI on revenue and load factor. Is it the Kingfisher effect?
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2012/04/...dia-bounces-back-with-healthy.html

Quote: Riding on high yields and an increased passenger load factor, state-owned Air India posted a healthy 46% revenue growth last month over the same period last year, airline sources said today.

"The yields on domestic sector had significant improvement of 38.5% in March vis-a-vis last year. The seat factor during this period also increased nearly 7.9%. Consequently, the airline posted a healthy growth in revenue of 46.1%," the sources told PTI.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 127, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 9429 times:

When is the Foreign Airlines FDI in Indian aviation companies going to be permitted.......


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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 9436 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 127):
When is the Foreign Airlines FDI in Indian aviation companies going to be permitted.......

Don't hold your breath on it. It will happen eventually, but everyone is dragging their feet on this issue.



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User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 4
Reply 129, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 9336 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 126):
Some good news for AI on revenue and load factor. Is it the Kingfisher effect?

Good to hear this.....I'd say it is partly due to IT.....but there must be some other factors in play too....just hope it continues to stay that way and they don't slide back to their previous condition.....


User currently onlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13446 posts, RR: 100
Reply 130, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 9310 times:
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Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 54):
This was done to increase the utilisation of bilateral rights, of which only 30-35% were so far used by Indian airlines.

That is a number I do not understand. The rights should be allocated on a 'use it or lose it' basis.

What is happening to IT's international rights and LHR slots?

Quoting vin2basketball (Reply 66):
9W might just be pushed towards OneWorld as SkyTeam is actually looking at IndiGo as a feed partner a-la Gol in S. America.

I'd be curious to know more about this. Is Indigo pursuing code-shares?

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 126):
Riding on high yields and an increased passenger load factor, state-owned Air India posted a healthy 46% revenue growth last month over the same period last year, airline sources said today.

WOW! I have trouble imagining that is all the "Kingfisher effect." What has AI changed that might have attracted more business clientele?

Lightsaber



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User currently offlinevin2basketball From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 9280 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 130):
Quoting vin2basketball (Reply 66):
9W might just be pushed towards OneWorld as SkyTeam is actually looking at IndiGo as a feed partner a-la Gol in S. America.

I'd be curious to know more about this. Is Indigo pursuing code-shares?

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 126):
Riding on high yields and an increased passenger load factor, state-owned Air India posted a healthy 46% revenue growth last month over the same period last year, airline sources said today.

WOW! I have trouble imagining that is all the "Kingfisher effect." What has AI changed that might have attracted more business clientele?

Lightsaber

At the moment, Indigo is being pursued more than actively pursuing anybody, but they will hit a "growth wall" at some point, when they'll have to consider them (a-la B6). SkyTeam really needs an Indian partner and Jet has apparently spurned their overtures

It's part KF effect, part Indian carriers haven't rushed back in to backfill all of KF's lost capacity, and part general economic growth.


User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 9283 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 130):
WOW! I have trouble imagining that is all the "Kingfisher effect." What has AI changed that might have attracted more business clientele?

I know my family all shifted to AI when IT started facing all those problems.. Its a pity, because the Kingfisher First AmEx card was so bloody good! So useful!


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 9227 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 82):
Also will the Aussie flight be DEL-MEL-SYD as it says here OR DEL-MEL/ DEL-SYD

This idiotic fixation with DEL has annoys me to no end. Why the hell can't AI launch routes out of BLR and HYD with eh 787s?

Does anyone know if these 787s are going to be range-limited? I'm guessing that BLR-SFO is out of the reckoning.

[Edited 2012-04-25 15:33:16]

User currently onlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13446 posts, RR: 100
Reply 134, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9162 times:
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Quoting vin2basketball (Reply 131):
At the moment, Indigo is being pursued more than actively pursuing anybody, but they will hit a "growth wall" at some point, when they'll have to consider them (a-la B6). SkyTeam really needs an Indian partner and Jet has apparently spurned their overtures

So just speculation. While I agree Indigo will eventually 'hit a wall,' I think the A320NEO range delays when they have to partner. However, I could see them doing it earlier rather than later as 'insurance.'

However, now that IT has contracted, I would say that both OneWorld and Skyteam would be in play... (Just my opinion.) 9W will be the most sought after partner in India.


Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 133):
Does anyone know if these 787s are going to be range-limited?

I've heard of ranges of 7450nm to 7600nm. While I cannot confirm the numbers, that is beyond BLR-SFO which is 7560nm with still air. In general, one needs to add 14% to 17% (more for shorter flights that cannot avoid the jetstream).

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineabrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 5126 posts, RR: 55
Reply 135, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9147 times:

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 133):
Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 82):
Also will the Aussie flight be DEL-MEL-SYD as it says here OR DEL-MEL/ DEL-SYD

This idiotic fixation with DEL has annoys me to no end. Why the hell can't AI launch routes out of BLR and HYD with eh 787s?

Does anyone know if these 787s are going to be range-limited? I'm guessing that BLR-SFO is out of the reckoning.

= It is actually sensible network planning. Demand from DEL is significantly more and higher yielding than BLR or HYD.

Saludos,
A.



Live, and let live.
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9139 times:

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 133):

This idiotic fixation with DEL has annoys me to no end. Why the hell can't AI launch routes out of BLR and HYD with eh 787s?

Does anyone know if these 787s are going to be range-limited? I'm guessing that BLR-SFO is out of the reckoning.

The fixation with DEL is not at all idiotic. AI is building a hub. DEL has a nice terminal, good O&D, and good geographic positioning.

Unlike 9W, AI actually is able to give people in BLR, HYD, CCU 1 stop itineraries to the USA and Europe.



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9030 times:

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 133):
This idiotic fixation with DEL has annoys me to no end.

Don't worry.... at the rate at which the charges are increasing at DEL now, both for the airlines and the passengers, if such increase continues with DEL for another round, I'm sure airlines will start backing out of there....

I'd love if someone shed light on the actual reason for this increase in charges and losses for GMR and also why isnt Govt doing something, after all it will benefit them too.



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3272 posts, RR: 9
Reply 138, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9029 times:

^^ That being said, with the tag of the "world's most expensive airport" soon - DEL is going to make airlines (and pax) cry with the fees!


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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2397 posts, RR: 28
Reply 139, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8964 times:

I am trying to do some research to find out which Kingfisher Airlines aircraft are still operating its reduced and now apparently fairly stable summer schedule. From what I can see, to operate the schedule, the following aircraft would be required overnighting at the different airports (or well, not really overnighting in the Port Blair case):

320 (6): PNQ, IXZ, BOM, BOM, BOM, DEL
321 (3): BOM, BOM, DEL
AT7 (8): BLR, BLR, BLR, DEL, DEL, DEL, DEL, BOM

Do you know which specific aircraft are still operating and which others have been stored somewhere in India instead. I assume the last two ATR 42-500s have been parked as well for example. Do you know where they are parked?



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User currently offlinefreqflyer From India, joined Apr 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8775 times:

I could count 8 parked IT ATR's at MAA last month alongwith a Deccan 360 ATR, apparently stored while another landed and taxied past . This was on 26 March IIRC. there was another ATR, probably IT, but its tail was hiden from view and I could not make out the other markings.

[Edited 2012-04-27 00:29:06]

User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 141, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8765 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 134):

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 82):
Also will the Aussie flight be DEL-MEL-SYD as it says here OR DEL-MEL/ DEL-SYD

This idiotic fixation with DEL has annoys me to no end. Why the hell can't AI launch routes out of BLR and HYD with eh 787s?

Does anyone know if these 787s are going to be range-limited? I'm guessing that BLR-SFO is out of the reckoning.

Actually the number of students to Australia from north India is crazy. The total demand is much higher ex-Delhi and even ex-Mumbai, which made me wonder why Qantas operated a BOM-SIN flight.



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 142, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8758 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 138):

^^ That being said, with the tag of the "world's most expensive airport" soon - DEL is going to make airlines (and pax) cry with the fees!

I did an analysis on the new fees at Delhi airport. http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...e-in-airport-charges-and-fees.html

It is high.

The international UDF table is below


Keep in mind this UDF is over an above the Rs. 1,300 ADF charged on international departing passengers, and PSF of Rs. 133 or 233 (there is some confusion there).

The domestic UDF table is below. Again ADF of Rs. 200 and PSF is extra.


A point that seems to have been missed by everyone is that these high fees are primarily due to the expense of building the luxurious T3. Yet, the passengers of LCCs, who are 60% of total traffic at DEL, and who use T1C and T1D also have to cough up these charges, despite the cost of their terminals being much much much lesser.

Doesn't this violates rules of natural justice? How do airports in other countries handle modernisation and their charges?



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 143, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8763 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 126):
Some good news for AI on revenue and load factor. Is it the Kingfisher effect?
http://avindia.blogspot.com/2012/04/....html

I hope you don't mind. AvIndia is just an aggregator site which copy pastes news stories from others. The URL for the source story is always below the post in "| To Read the News in Full |"

In this case http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report...ith-healthy-growth-revenue_1677567

IMHO, we should give links and credit where it is truly due. Thanks for time.



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 390 posts, RR: 14
Reply 144, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8728 times:

Lufthansa has confirmed it will upgrade FRA-DEL and FRA-BLR to B748i during this current summer 2012 schedule. This should occur ahead of its service upgrade to ORD and LAX (in this sequence) as per the release.

http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...news-lufthansa-upgrades-delhi.html



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User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8697 times:

9W announces the launch of a second daily flight from CCU-BKK.

9W072 1100 dep 1510 arr 737
9W071 1600 dep 1705 arr 737

http://www.jetairways.com/EN/IN/Pres.../KolkataandBangkok.aspx?tcid=9wfan


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 146, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8574 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 144):

Lufthansa has confirmed it will upgrade FRA-DEL and FRA-BLR to B748i during this current summer 2012 schedule. This should occur ahead of its service upgrade to ORD and LAX (in this sequence) as per the release.

marvellous news.... it seems I can finally fly the 748 this year after all...   
thanks



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User currently offlinedarkroast From Canada, joined Jan 2011, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8399 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 146):

LH just became my first option to BLR this fall  


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 148, posted (2 years 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8402 times:

When is the 1st AI B787 scheduled to arrive?.


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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 149, posted (2 years 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8087 times:

New Kolkata airport terminal to be commissioned in four months.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...ur-months/articleshow/12936450.cms

Quote:
The new terminal building of the NSC Bose International Airport here with four million passenger capacity would be commissioned within four months.


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 150, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7971 times:

JAL 787 from NRT-DEL

Starts from Tuesday, anybody in Delhi please do take a nice shot of it..  

Regds



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 151, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7875 times:

DEL seems to be in the early schedule sequence for both new Boeing types - JL with the 787 and LH with the 748


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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 152, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7956 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 151):
JL with the 787 and LH with the 748

JL claims it is suited for DEL as its only 186 seater?
LH bring in as they cant get their 380, so the next best.......


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7904 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 151):
DEL seems to be in the early schedule sequence for both new Boeing types - JL with the 787 and LH with the 748

Forget JL, AI is expected to start domestic hops ex-DEL next month for crew familiarization flights..



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 154, posted (2 years 7 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7837 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 153):
Forget JL, AI is expected to start domestic hops ex-DEL next month for crew familiarization flights..

That should be fun, I'll check out the sectors and try and catch a ride. But JL will still beat AI to operations.



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User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 155, posted (2 years 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 7637 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 152):
LH bring in as they cant get their 380, so the next best.......

Any word of when the 748i will operate on FRA-BLR?


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 156, posted (2 years 7 months 9 hours ago) and read 7621 times:

Quoting anshuk (Reply 155):
Any word of when the 748i will operate on FRA-BLR?

No official word yet from LH on when will the DEL and BLR flights start. Not until further deliveries of the new jumbo to LH happen. If at all consider their deployment on BLR and DEL routes not before Sept-Oct '12.

Quoting Cricket (Reply 154):
But JL will still beat AI to operations.

Actually any airline could....   



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 4
Reply 157, posted (2 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 7483 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 156):
No official word yet from LH on when will the DEL and BLR flights start. Not until further deliveries of the new jumbo to LH happen. If at all consider their deployment on BLR and DEL routes not before Sept-Oct '12.

Why isn't LH considering the 748 for BOM? Wouldn't it make a lot of sense?


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 158, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7315 times:

Just transited BOM en-route from LHR to HKG on 9W. And was transported back to the bad old days of Sahar in the 1980s, absolute chaos, no line discipline, no signage, and no space to gather bags from the belt at transit security, resulting in large backlogs.

People losing tempers, people jumping lines (including those brazenly walking past an obvious attempt at a line pretending it does not exist), x-ray machines jamming up with bags, and 9W and AI staff just hanging around doing absolutely nothing about it.

Shocking really. What's the point of making shiny shops and restaurants at Sahar if they cant fix the basics first???

And then I saw Jet Airways boarding a flight by shouting out the flight number, no PA announcement, no attempt to board by row number or separate priortity pax, nothing. A true back to the future experience!

No amount of shiny new hardware can make up for poor software and planning!


User currently offlinepnd100 From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 159, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7241 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 158):
Just transited BOM en-route from LHR to HKG on 9W. And was transported back to the bad old days of Sahar in the 1980s, absolute chaos, no line discipline, no signage, and no space to gather bags from the belt at transit security, resulting in large backlogs.

People losing tempers, people jumping lines (including those brazenly walking past an obvious attempt at a line pretending it does not exist), x-ray machines jamming up with bags, and 9W and AI staff just hanging around doing absolutely nothing about it.

Shocking really. What's the point of making shiny shops and restaurants at Sahar if they cant fix the basics first???

And then I saw Jet Airways boarding a flight by shouting out the flight number, no PA announcement, no attempt to board by row number or separate priortity pax, nothing. A true back to the future experience!

No amount of shiny new hardware can make up for poor software and planning!

100% agree with your last sentence sankaps. This is what I fear for the new terminal at CCU. This is the reason we were impressed with T3 at DEL. It wasn't just shiny, it was efficient, professional & friendly. That was back in February, 2011 & I hope it has remained that way. In June of 2009 we transited through the domestic terminal at DEL & felt the same way. BOM is surprisingly behind DEL in this regard imho. BOM has good points too but it definitely needs to work on running a smoother experience for passengers. The attitude of the staff needs to change. MAA & CCU have similar infrastructure & both are run by the AAI. However MAA staff & operations efficiency is far superior to CCU. Overall I found the GMR operated airports (DEL, HYD) to be the best in India.


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 160, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7228 times:

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 159):
This is the reason we were impressed with T3 at DEL. It wasn't just shiny, it was efficient, professional & friendly.

Agree, DEL T3 is the closest we have to a world-class airport in India. Though even there some things make you shake your head. Like for instance why can't they have proper signage at int'l to int'l connections? Why can't they make it clear there are two sets of security, so not every lines up at the first while the second is empty? And why is transit security so slow, why can't they get a sense of urgency?

But yes, other than the above, a refreshing change! I will never pick BOM again for an int'l to int'l connection, but have no problem picking DEL -- in fact it is one of my preferred connection hubs (and a welcome alternative to the fish market that is Dubai!).


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 161, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7031 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 158):

No amount of shiny new hardware can make up for poor software and planning!

Its all about Training........



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 162, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7039 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 161):

Its all about Training........

No it's not. It's all about attitude. You can train employees as much as you possibly could, but if they are apathetic in customer relations, it's going to create problems...



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User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 163, posted (2 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6974 times:

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper...al/tp-tamilnadu/article3382607.ece

I found this rather nice article on the new terminal at MAA. It looks quite good, I must say!