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Australian Aviation Thread # 59  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 701 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 22640 times:

In thread # 58 the following points were discussed:

* Brisbane Airport - expanded domestic services
* Jetstar capacity increases ex-MEL/OOL and cancellation of BNE-CHC
* Virgin Australia announces significant expansion of flying ex-BNE (with Alliance F100s)
* Melbourne Airport passenger growth
* QantasLink 717 schedules ex-Brisbane
* Royal Brunei increases Melbourne services to daily
* Foreign airline expansion in Australia
* Tiger Airways announces it is recommencing CNS services later in 2012
* Alliance Airlines 737-400 commences services
* A Virgin Australia 77W heads to AKL for schedule maintenance - first of many to come
* Second Sydney Airport and discussion on curfew
* Qantas and a possible new service to Berlin to coincide with AB's Oneworld membership
* Etihad deploys 77Ws on SYD-AUH due VA 77W scheduled maintenance
* Qatar Airways will now launch PER services with 77L equipment, in lieu of 332s
* Scoot Gold Coast services
* Air Asia X and its Gold Coast services
* Qantas aircraft leaving the fleet
* Long haul Qantas network - rumours of FRA/JFK being cut (weren't in the end)
* Air Mauritius will suspend its SYD/MEL services from June 2012
* Brisbane Airport growth for JAN12 - best since Jan 2008
* Air New Zealand announces Sunshine Coast-Auckland seasonal services from mid 2012
* Australia-South Africa air services - IASC has not extended QF/SA agreement past Dec 2012

On 17 February 2012, Air Australia was placed into voluntary administration. The Airline flew A320 aircraft from BNE-MEL/PHE/DPS, PER-DCN and A330 aircraft from BNE/MEL-HNL/HKT.


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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 22630 times:

* Air Vanuatu is scaling back its operations to Melbourne - services between 05APR-21JUN and 07OCT-20DEC have been cancelled. The carrier will however operate nonstop flights from Port Vila during the peak school holiday periods

* Virgin Australia has announced it will add an additional Monday to Friday ATR service from Brisbane to Emerald from early April 2012. The Airline also plans to open a new lounge in Hobart according to a recent AusBT article

* Alliance Aviation Services Limited on 29JAN12 reported revenue for the half year ended 31 December 2011 of $84.7 million, a 45% increase over the previous corresponding period. Pro-forma EBITDA increased by 24% to $22.5 million. The Statutory NPAT for the period was $6.6 million. Alliance predominately operates contract FIFO flying and recently commenced F100 operations on behalf of Virgin Australia to ports such as Cairns and Newcastle

* Air Asia has confirmed it will suspend its Darwin - Bali/Denpasar services from April 2012. The last service is currently slated for Sunday 29 April 2012 (according to the online booking engine)


User currently onlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3029 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 22472 times:

The Air Vanuatu MEL service suspensions are hardly unexpected.

Making it a seasonal non-stop flight makes sense.


User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 22241 times:

Could someone help shed some light please. Last time I was at BNE I noticed that the Alliance F100's parked at the DJ terminal that where 'all white'

When QF had the wet lease of the F100's the tails were left in the Alliance scheme. With the all white tails, with DJ think this is a contractual arrangement ?



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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 22097 times:

ZuluAlpha from what i have been told re the white F100's .They will be painted in Virgin Australia livery shortly.

Alliance and Virgin both decided not to get them painted initially, as Alliance are down 2 aircraft in their fleet and if there was a maintenance issue with one of the other aircraft in their fleet , then that aircraft would then have to be replaced by a Virgin branded F100 even if it was doing a fifo to Telfer.

Since then Alliance have acquired a 737-400 to help relieve this problem and shortly another newly acquired F100 will come out of pre service maintenance.This then will fill the fleet void.

I would expect both will be painted in 2 months time.

And to answer your other question yes this lease arrangement is different to the Qantas-Alliance one.


User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21988 times:

Some QF fleet news:

*New B73H VH-VZY has been delivered.

*B734 VH-TJW has been retired and ferried to Victorville.

*B717-200 VH-NXR will arrive into Australia this month, the next B717 VH-NXJ will arrive in April/May.

Thanks


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5945 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21979 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 4):
yes this lease arrangement is different to the Qantas-Alliance one

I was under the impression that this agreement was short-term to cover maintenance on the E90s. Is it actually more permanent than that? Is the relationship more like the one with SkyWest regarding the AT7s?



Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21961 times:

Skytrans has confirmed it will commence services with its Dash 8 aircraft from Toowoomba to Sydney in July, with fares/schedule available from April.

http://www.skytrans.com.au/PDFs/MR_Mar_2012.pdf

Initially the Airline will commence 6 weekly services before moving to 10 weekly services later in 2012.


User currently onlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3029 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 21776 times:

^^ Lets hope that is a success. Certainly opens up new markets for many.

User currently offlineADDICT4QF From Australia, joined Feb 2011, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 21572 times:

Does anyone know what AB flights QF is going to codeshare on, and from what date they can be booked on the qantas website?

User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 21310 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 6):

I was trying to find the article in the Australian newspaper a few months ago, which stated the F100's will operate to routes in Queensland for 1 year and then will be replaced by new build 738's .

Not sure if this was mentioned but the 6th ATR is on it's way today to BNE.

Cheers.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5945 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 21227 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 10):
which stated the F100's will operate to routes in Queensland for 1 year and then will be replaced by new build 738's

Oh OK, interesting. But why is it that they're not using E90s? Lack of aircraft availability?



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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 21089 times:

To allow extra flights and capacity out of BNE above and beyond what the current fleet of 737/E190's can offer.
Remember VA have just added a extra 8 flights out of BNE.

[Edited 2012-03-03 18:20:44]

User currently offlineZuluAlpha From Thailand, joined Mar 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21032 times:

Quoting ADDICT4QF (Reply 9):

Does anyone know what AB flights QF is going to codeshare on, and from what date they can be booked on the qantas website?

As of Friday, there were no codeshare flights loaded into the QF reservation system. As to the flights they will codeshare with, it would only be a guess. Maybe where the common ports are e.g. BKK and SIN



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5014 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 20971 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 5):

I saw VH-TJW parked on the freighter ramp in HNL on the 1st of March...

EK413



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User currently offlinealangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 20950 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 8):
Does anyone know what AB flights QF is going to codeshare on, and from what date they can be booked on the qantas website?

This seems rather complicated. I have seen on a thread that AirBerlin is cancelling their Munich to Bangkok flights, so that will not be the code share. Then, we see that AirBerlin now has a codeshare deal with Etihad - AB flies Berlin to Abu Dhabi, and these flights connect with EY flights to Australia. So, you might even have Virgin codesharing with AB before Qantas does.


User currently offlineADDICT4QF From Australia, joined Feb 2011, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 20361 times:

...and they are cancelling TXL-BKK and DUS-BKK from the 28th and 29th of March 2012 respectively.

User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3189 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 20228 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 5):
*New B73H VH-VZY has been delivered.

I believe that VH-VZZ is also due for delivery in April. That will take the QF 738 fleet count to 58 with 12 more on order for delivery through to late 2013.

Also for those interested, the remaining QF 744's will be start conversions on the following dates;

VH-OEE - March 29th
VH-OJU - May 10th
VH-OEF - June 29th
VH-OJS - August 5th
VH-OJT - September 13th

So all of the 744's to be converted will be done by the end of this year. (Dates sourced from Australian Aviation Magazine)

Given the decision on South Africa I'd have thought QF would need to retain 1 or 2 more 744's to cover the loss of codeshare rights on the PER-JNB route from the beginning of next year.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 13):
As of Friday, there were no codeshare flights loaded into the QF reservation

QF and Air Berlin have not yet lodged any applications for codeshare flights with the relevant Australian authorities.


User currently offline9MMPD From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 20210 times:

Quoting sydscott (Reply 17):
Given the decision on South Africa I'd have thought QF would need to retain 1 or 2 more 744's to cover the loss of codeshare rights on the PER-JNB route from the beginning of next year.

I wonder if they will keep VH-OJP, OJQ since they are the next two youngest 744s for it.

Is there any slack in the A332 International fleet to queeze in PER-JNB-PER (or PER-JNB-CPT-JNB-PER)?
Since I think that route would most likey go A332

Is there any slack in the A380 fleet for a PER-JNB-PER service? It would be great to get the A380 from MEL or SYD to PER then onwards to JNB.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 20197 times:

Quoting 9MMPD (Reply 18):
Since I think that route would most likey go A332

So would I, but they really don't have enough planes to send an A332 either.

Quoting 9MMPD (Reply 18):
Is there any slack in the A380 fleet for a PER-JNB-PER service? It would be great to get the A380 from MEL or SYD to PER then onwards to JNB.

A stop in PER a few times a week is the most likely outcome in the short term, in my opinion. Don't forget that QF's flight out of SYD will see a drop in numbers without SA's support, so they will be looking at ways to retain daily 744's.

It's impossible to know if QF has any slack in the A380 fleet, given that we don't know their plans for frames 13 and 14 and how that might impact on existing services (ie QF127/8 to HKG). But if they've earmarked JNB for the A380 out of SYD then I'd expect to see it in PER  


User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1010 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 20158 times:

Quoting 9MMPD (Reply 18):

good one   PER (WAC) cope with a A380 ... they can bearly cope with an A330..  
There will be slack in the A332 fleet when AKL-LAX ends and a re-shuffle of routes.



Next Trip: PER-DPS-KUL-BKK-HKT-CNX-BKK-SIN-PER
User currently offlineBAeRJ100 From Australia, joined Nov 2011, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 20128 times:

The word going around PER the last few months actually has been that QF would use an A380 to JNB, originating from either MEL or SYD (as was speculated above). The only issue related to WAC with the international terminal is the a/c would have to be boarded via the tarmac, as they don't have any bridge bays that are wide enough for an A380 (this is set to change within a couple years).


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5014 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 19988 times:

I forgot to mention there was a Air Australia A320 on a remote stand in HNL on the 1st of March... Was the aircraft on a ferry positioning flight???

EK413



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User currently offlinesydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3189 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 19920 times:

Quoting BAeRJ100 (Reply 21):
The word going around PER the last few months actually has been that QF would use an A380 to JNB, originating from either MEL or SYD (as was speculated above).

I doubt they will use an A380 on PER-JNB. What I think is more likely is that QF uses a mix of 744's doing SYD-PER-JNB and the A380's on SYD-JNB. In that way they can maintain daily service from Sydney with say 4 direct A380's a week and then send the 744 on SYD-PER-JNB on the days the A380 doesn't operate. That would be a more likely scenario.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 19):
It's impossible to know if QF has any slack in the A380 fleet, given that we don't know their plans for frames 13 and 14 and how that might impact on existing services (ie QF127/8 to HKG). But if they've earmarked JNB for the A380 out of SYD then I'd expect to see it in PER

The A380 on QF 127/128 was made possible by frames 11 and 12. So I'd say that takes care of their existing fleet. But don't forget that they still have Nancy Bird Walton that has been sitting on the Tarmac in SIN for a year or so that is coming back into service shortly. So they will have a spare A380 up their sleeve it the need one.


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 19822 times:

Wouldn't a W routing on a 744 make more sense for PER-JNB than SYD-PER-JNB? I.e. SYD-JNB-PER-JNB-SYD. Perhaps adding a SYD-PER 744 flight to position the flight crew, but probably not.

Quoting 9MMPD (Reply 18):
Is there any slack in the A332 International fleet to queeze in PER-JNB-PER (or PER-JNB-CPT-JNB-PER)?
Since I think that route would most likey go A332

Not a bad idea. It also replaces the feed into CPT which is lost without SA.

If it is prioritised highly enough there would be enough A332s.


25 kiwiandrew : BA franchise Comair operate CPT-JNB, so QF would still have feed. However, I find it hard to believe that they would put the A380 on the route, QF ar
26 thegeek : There's also no A380s free for the route. I never meant that was a possibility.
27 sydscott : There is Nancy Bird Walton which is currently unutilised.
28 thegeek : Wasn't that required to up the SYD/MEL-LHR/LAX A380 flights to daily, and allow maintenance?
29 Airvan00 : SYD/MEL-LHR/LAX A380 flights are already daily. With the return of VH-OQA, maybe that will allow SYD-HKG to become daily.
30 thegeek : I suppose they could go back to 744s for SYD-HKG if there was a reason to use the A380 on JNB flights. Which there isn't, really. Interestingly SYD-HK
31 9MMPD : So that accounts for frammes 1 - 12 in the A380 fleet then we have frames 13 & 14 due so where will they go? Wouldn't it be the other way around?
32 sydscott : Nope the LAX & LHR flights are already daily. Nancy is Surplus at the moment. That wouldn't surprise me. If they do make SYD-HKG daily that'll ju
33 qf002 : To be clear... QF needs 10 A380's to run LHR/LAX at daily from SYD/MEL. Frame number 12 was used to open up HKG, but the fleet is currently stretched
34 Airvan00 : (just look at how many QF11/12's are 744's over the next couple of weeks, I assume because of scheduled maintenance But on most of those days 107/108
35 qf002 : Nope. QF107/8 only becomes an A380 when QF11/12 doesn't operate -- that's twice in the next month. There are regular periods of mixed operation on QF
36 Airvan00 : Nope. QF107/8 only becomes an A380 when QF11/12 doesn't operate -- that's twice in the next month. I must have got lucky, those where the two I saw.
37 sydscott : That's what I would expect as well. We also have to remember that A380's 13 and 14 are supposed to be the first one's in the new QF 3 class layout on
38 qf002 : Agreed. I'd have thought it would make more sense for QF to scrap the plans for the three class A380's for now -- it's going to cause a lot of inflex
39 thegeek : That is practically certain. What else would they do? Fly the 787 there on a higher frequency?
40 Ben175 : Wait, is it confirmed QF will start PER-JNB or is it just speculation because of the ending agreement with SA?
41 sydscott : Agreed. DFW will definitely be ready for an A380 by then although it'll be interesting see if they try something like MEL-DWF when the 789 appears. B
42 qf002 : I'm not sure anything is practically certain with QF these days... Frames 13 and 14 are due early next year, DFW is only going to daily in July. I kn
43 RyanairGuru : There was some speculation (note the word!) on here a while back that they may well do this. Apparently over 50% of passengers on QF8 deplane in BNE,
44 thegeek : Very unlikely. The load restrictions reduce the revenue potential, and the diversions are pretty expensive. They would be more likely to reduce frequ
45 sydscott : According to the A380 production list they're not due until the 3rd quarter of 2013. Alan Joyce has stated that DFW is an ideal 787 route and he's ri
46 thegeek : Did he say from SYD though? I wouldn't be surprised if this route is performing strongly enough in 2013 to have a daily A380 SYD-DFW + 3pw 787 BNE-DF
47 QF175 : Effective 14APR12 QantasLink (Cobham) will begin operating the 717-200 on Saturday Brisbane-Alice Springs-Brisbane services. Sunday services will cont
48 eaglefarm4 : BITRE DFW-BNE,SYD figures are out with BNE now getting 66% of pax terminating,and SYD getting 34%.
49 thegeek : Hmm, so is there a chance of the 744ER continuing to fly ???-DFW-BNE after the 2013 A380 arrives?
50 qf002 : Not if the connecting passengers can continue to access one stop DFW-Australia via SYD. The local BNE market is easily less than 20% of the total tra
51 RyanairGuru : Where did you have in mind? I'm pretty certain that the market from the USA to Cairns, Townsville and even Mackay is comfortably larger than the like
52 TruemanQLD : Maybe, but you would have higher frequencies (admittedly, wouldn't make huge difference) to the large capitals (PER/MEL/ADL) and better coverage to T
53 CXfirst : What he is saying is that even though it is shorter flying through BNE to the likes of PER, ADL, MEL, etc. The additional flights per day from SYD in
54 Post contains images qf002 : For example, you would arrive in PER from DFW faster flying through SYD (assuming a 6-6:15am arrival) than BNE. You'd get into ADL almost two hours e
55 ZuluAlpha : Another thing to possibly consider is Queensland and it's mining. With the flights to GLT, EMD, MOV and RMA with the connections ex Texas (especially
56 Post contains links sydscott : An interesting tidbit from the IASC. This is the response of Qantas to Virgin attempting to transfer Indonesia capacity from the current Virgin Airlin
57 koruman : It's terrific that BNE is getting 66% of DFW terminating passengers to SYD's 34%, but of course that is probably a mixture which I will arbitrarily gu
58 Post contains links thegeek : http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=d...E=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE= The extra 171km involved? About 1/3 the extra of getting to SYD. Wha
59 eaglefarm4 : The company TQ i used to work for most of my working life brought out a group of famil people including business leaders and government people,travel
60 jetfuel : 100% makes sense TSV
61 TruemanQLD : Because you fail to account for the passengers that aren't tourists and would be inconvenienced by having to stop in CNS rather than Brisbane. It is
62 Post contains images RyanairGuru : By that, 36% of people are going to CNS. That does seem a bit high, but overall I will give you credit for your numbers, overall they look pretty rea
63 thegeek : For a 747? Also does it have customs/immigration full time? It doesn't have regular flights. Even ADL used to at least only bring in customs/immigrat
64 jetfuel : Strategic Airlines started twice weekly to Denpasar from 3 December 2010. It is Townsville International Airport, and the 11th busiest in the country
65 qf002 : I think you are. Sure CNS might make sense through the peak holiday periods, but that's only a few months a year. The additional time spent getting t
66 Ben175 : JQ operates PER-CNS with a 320 a couple of times a week.
67 qf002 : Bit of a drop down from the widebody services out of BNE, which themselves are a drop down from the A330's out of SYD. Would also involve a 12 hour l
68 747m8te : TSV has had 747 ops in the past, and in more recent times has had 747 charters for sporting events. Also it has immigration facilities...it used to b
69 thegeek : Hmm, perhaps reserves would be less into CNS by more than enough to compensate for the additional distance. Anyway, it is exceedingly unlikely to have
70 Post contains images ZuluAlpha : With the current debate regarding the QF8 inbound loadings and on carriage, I managed to source this information for the most currently flight. This i
71 IndianicWorld : ^^ Interesting analysis. In the end though, once a plane can fly SYD-DFW-SYD, BNE will be dropped. It's the way QF operate and it has been their aim f
72 qf002 : Wait, am I missing something here? 241 (DFW-BNE) minus 39 (BNE-SYD) minus 90 (connections) equals 112. Or is the 39 SYD pax considered separate to th
73 PITrules : I'm corn-fused as well over this. I assume the total load out of DFW is 280 then? Also, with only 39 people on the BNE-SYD leg, I'm curious how many
74 ZuluAlpha : Yes QF002, you are correct, my apologies, I forgot to allow for the 39 pax to SYD remaining on the QF8. My apologies. Yes the loads are light that da
75 eaglefarm4 : QF002 what you cant get your head around and this applies to Qantas eccentric belief that all pax have to fly via SYD. It makes sense to the Qantas of
76 747m8te : Have you tried booking a return ticket from BNE to the US east coast...everything routes you through DFW, the LAX flight isn't even provided as an op
77 thegeek : Still, nearly half of the flight terminating in BNE is extraordinary. Will there be incentive to have BNE-DFW-BNE once SYD-DFW-SYD is implemented? See
78 koruman : Zulu Alpha, with respect your figures must be misleading. You are saying that of passengers embarking at DFW: - 90 connect onward on Qantas to other A
79 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I'm from Brisbane so don't flame me (!) but BNE is hardly SIN either! There is that. The stopover basically means that only people going from seconda
80 thegeek : I don't think the data from a single flight is significant. This data shows in Nov-2011 from 17 flights. 4763 people flew DFW-BNE-SYD (76% average lo
81 eaglefarm4 : In regards to the reasonably low load factor remember that the extra 2 flights from 4 to 6 a week only commenced 7-8 weeks ago.It will need to time to
82 Post contains links TN486 : A photo of an ATR 72 destined for VA, currently with Danish Rego, taken at Maastricht in the Netherlands. Chris Grunwell was the photographer and perm
83 jupiter2 : Seriously, you guys read far too much into one flights stats. All that QF 8 flight told me was that there were probably 39 pax from the Dallas area go
84 Post contains images QF175 : What's the significance of Alice Springs listed in the Virgin Australia online booking engine? (under 'origin' - need to make a dummy booking first an
85 qf002 : You're massively misinterpreting me here... Koruman gets it: If there are so few passengers flying DFW-SYD compared with DFW-BNE then it makes absolu
86 eaglefarm4 : QF002 6 flights a week did commence 17 jan however then got reduced to 5 then goes back up to 6 in April then back to 5 in May.However for the flight
87 koruman : Precisely. The whole DFW-BNE-SYD flight is horribly misconceived. Anyone wanting to fly into SYD will fly 1-stop via LAX. Anyone wanting to fly into
88 thegeek : Not for the reason you say. There are numerous destinations in the US which cannot be reached non stop from LAX, that is the entire point of the DFW
89 koruman : It might be able to eke out the range, but it would fly with 30-40% loads on either route, because it is massively too big for the routes. I don't mi
90 qf002 : It's not a subfleet if they're the only 777's that QF owns... Yet we're seeing some stunning load figures come out of the existing flights... Remembe
91 TruemanQLD : On what evidence? Like most Koruman statements, there is none. Loads have, by all accounts, been good, in fact, full apart from the seats blocked out
92 RyanairGuru : I should add PHL and CLT as East Coast business centres not served by AA from LAX, but at the end of the day the number of people going to NYC, WAS a
93 thegeek : Not to mention overflying a sizeable portion of the continent and then making people backtrack to reach their destination. I don't know if you are tr
94 koruman : The most generous towards SYD (and patently incorrect) interpretation of those figures is that if the first Australian port was SYD the number of pas
95 qf002 : Some might say it's as crazy as making CNS the main entry point from North America's biggest hub... What you fail to grasp is that HBT isn't the majo
96 dynamicsguy : You should, however, remove BOS since that is served non-stop by AA from LAX.
97 Post contains images IndianicWorld : koruman, you seem to have some very passionate views on this subject, but you seem to be off the mark on several points. - Likening SCL to HBA is so u
98 RyanairGuru : Well that's going a tad far: SCL is LAN's hub. It's just unfortunate that LAN don't fly to Recife, but that's hardly QF's fault! Hopefully once LANTA
99 TravellerPlus : Koruman, having Santiago as an entry point to South America is like having Singapore as an entry point to Asia. It is fantastic hub and Chile has the
100 koruman : Singapore has fantastic connections to every continent. Santiago can't even offer me a flight to the 7th largest city in South America (Belo Horizont
101 eta unknown : I'm deeply sorry to hear the plight of one of our more entertaining posters (queue the violins). It's a shame you must endure lengthy transits in orde
102 Post contains images RyanairGuru : (Sorry Koruman ) I agree in theory, however given that we are talking about an airline with such a limited presence in Asia (the true powerhouse of t
103 koruman : I don't really understand the personal tone of many of the criticisms on this thread. Why is constructive criticism frowned upon? My point was really
104 jupiter2 : Koruman, God help any airline if you ever got to be a fleet planner !!! I love the passion in your arguements, but the practicalities of a large numbe
105 AA909 : How do you rate the inter-terminal transfer in LAX? I prefer the DFW terminal D experience. Also immigration at LAX? I audibly cursed on my last expe
106 RyanairGuru : *deep breath* Koruman, I don't think anybody on here is against "constructive criticism". However you do manage to frustrate some people with your un
107 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I don't mind it really. After all TBIT and T4 are only about 100m from each other and after a 14 hour flight I like to walk it in order to stretch my
108 AA909 : Agreed on the logic of SCL being a better destination right now than GRU. With Argentina's deteriorating economy and Chile's strengthening, the switc
109 eaglefarm4 : Last week JetGo the newest FIFO carrier in Australia had it's first ERJ 135 arrive at BNE.VH-JTG is the aircraft reg.
110 Sydscott : I think the only reason QF aren't in GRU is because they don't have an aircraft that has the range to make it with any sort of decent payload. If the
111 qf002 : China is the second largest economy in the world, and has a far greater relevance to Australia, yet QF only flies a single daily flight into the coun
112 mariner : The cities of costal northern Brazil aren't all that popular from the US. I don't think any US carrier flies to Fortaleza or Natal, but American does
113 thegeek : If we want to come up with alternate routings for Koruman's trip, it is actually possible as a two stop, just not on a single ticket. QF/NZ/DJ BNE-AKL
114 aerokiwi : It may possibly because of the noise generated arising from your very personal, and dare I say, specific (OOL/BNE-REC) circumstances. And then of cou
115 qf002 : I was just having a look around AusBT (seems like a bit of a slow news day...) and noticed a question off the side about QF's ADL-SIN service... As a
116 JQflightie : you'll find that there is a A332 on PER-SIN throughout May too, so im guessing its geting rotated up via SIN
117 Post contains images ZuluAlpha : I know that QF does not have an Interline agreement with AR, I am not sure if DJ and NZ have an interline agreement with AR. If I was to do your trip
118 RyanairGuru : To give some credit to Koruman, given what I've heard about AR from a friend who recently returned from Argentina I think I would rather walk...
119 qf002 : Yeah, I noticed that in the question as well... I suppose that supports the maintenance theory, given that these changes probably represent one aircr
120 mariner : Oh. I've only flown with 'em across the Tasman, but I quite enjoyed it. The staff were all efficient enough and pleasant enough, the seat was comfort
121 thegeek : I need to amend that. Actually you can do BNE-AKL-EZE on one ticket through AR. DJ provide the service out of BNE, with 2h25m in AKL. Seems pretty goo
122 MillwallSean : In this case I agree with Koruman. (Even though petro and banking makes GDP rather limited as a comparative tool) Brazil is the only game in town in
123 thegeek : A 744ER can't manage that flight, I thought. Needs an A345 which QF don't have and are unlikely to get. JJ could probably do it, but aren't inclined.
124 koruman : Wow, that's a lot of interest in my itinerary. I'm flattered! If you read my original post in tragic detail, you would have read that I wrote that I w
125 qf002 : Flying to the North East of South America will just leave QF with the same issues they face today in Europe, overflying the entire continent and dest
126 koruman : Except for the fact that the northeast of South America is the only important market. Brazil's economy is as big as the rest of South America put tog
127 RyanairGuru : Mariner, I'm really glad you had a good experience with AR. Working of just two people's experiences (one positive and one negative) it is difficult t
128 mariner : I'm sure. I've had bad experiences on just about every airline I've flown with on any regular basis. I once swore I would "never fly British again!"
129 MillwallSean : In this case its about serving the biggest, richest and most profitable market and thats Sao Paolo. When that ripe fruit has been picked Im sure QF c
130 mariner : I would look to the points of established economic contact first, as markets that already have relationships - and thus traffic - and Brazil is a rel
131 NZ107 : Well it's true that a whole lot of airlines quit NZ first.. GA, BA, UA to name a few.. Even QF nearly falls into that category.
132 mariner : That's sort of my point. Both United and British fly to NZ by code share and British scarcely serves Australia with its own metal. I'm not totally co
133 qf002 : London is about a whole lot more than the size of the economy. The UK and Australia have ties deeper than probably any other two countries on earth,
134 RyanairGuru : Oh don't get me wrong, no one is perfect all the time. Probably the worse flight I've ever been on from a service perspective was on QF (SYD-HNL). To
135 Post contains links and images QF175 : * Skywest Airlines has begun using a leased 737 on Tue/Wed/Thu Perth-Derby (Curtin) services, with Mon/Fri services remaining F100s. Skywest expects t
136 qf002 : This is exciting. I wonder what their new product will look like...
137 IndianicWorld : BNE growth was affected by the floods last year which further boosts it's % growth this year. OOL seems to be suffering on the international front in
138 byronicle6 : Scoot has opened bookings for those "members" who have registered with the site. Flights to SYD begin June 26th & OOL also June 26th. Sydney fligh
139 qf002 : SYD starts on June 26th, OOL starts a day later on the 27th. Also, OOL is only 5 weekly to start with...
140 Post contains links tayser : various MEL news releases http://melbourneairport.com.au/News-...by-55percent-in-february-2012.html Feb YoY International: 529,923 5.5% Domestic: 1,65
141 byronicle6 : From what I can see on the website, the inaugural OOL flight departs SIN at 22:25 on Tuesday June 26. And sorry yes, 5x weekly to OOL. Not flying Wed
142 Post contains links tayser : And now the reports on the new terminal are up on the site: http://melbourneairport.com.au/About...cts/southern-precinct-program.html direct links to
143 qf002 : The flight to OOL leaves almost 24 hours after the flight to SYD... I've just checked, and you are technically correct. From Australia, however, SYD-
144 TruemanQLD : Scored myself 3 return tickets to SIN from OOL in July... $88 fares each way + $22 for baggage + $30 to chose your seat ensuring you sit next to someo
145 Post contains links and images tayser : the "big" render from the docs above
146 smi0006 : I think the new domestic terminal will be impressive and much needed for Virgin in Melbourne. Has it been mentioned if JQ will move down there? Hopefu
147 MillwallSean : It would be interesting to understand the reasoning behind your conclusion that chile is more relevant than Brazil. Anyway here are some facts: Austr
148 CXfirst : Would it have been possible to add a level to concourse e (the one closest to t2), and make the gates on that concourse able to handle domestic and i
149 koruman : But why not use a 747 on SYD-PPT-GRU? Sydney-Tahiti = 3,806 miles Tahiti-Sao Paulo = 6,541 miles. And the French Polynesian government might consider
150 Post contains links mariner : I don't think there is any doubt about it. But no matter how good Australia's trade is with Brazil, it is dwarfed by the trade with Asia and especial
151 TravellerPlus : I've looked at ABS data on visitor arrivals and Australian deaprtures to/from South America Since 1991, 27% of Australians have had Chile as their pri
152 MillwallSean : Hmm not that I dispute your findings but they do differ pretty substantially from the numbers based upon the last 5 years. (Thats all I have infront
153 qf002 : Fair enough, I should have done a little more research before making such a sweeping statement. I stand by my point though, that Brazil's economy has
154 747m8te : Well if you are going to do it with a stop over...why not kill two birds with one stone and do SYD-SCL-GRU on the 747 and cover both markets?
155 RyanairGuru : No you're not. QF has the minimum number of stops physically possible between SYD and GRU and GIG. If it emerged in 6 months time that 50% of pax fly
156 TravellerPlus : My data source was the Australian Bureau of Statistics arrival and departure data since 1991. The numbers you've provided only show that Brazil is no
157 airnewzealand : This is currently our passenger demographic on our current SYD-EZE route. When we operate it Portuguese and Spanish announcements are done on all fli
158 RyanairGuru : That's interesting, thanks. But in all honesty, how many Portuguese speakers does QF employ?!
159 9MMPD : Yes and via DXB with EK and soon DOH with QR. It would be interesting to see how many Australians are on EK, QR and SQ's flights to Brazil. PS This t
160 ZKOKQ : Cant wait to see the interior of this new bird. Wonder if it will be much different to the one they already have.
161 thegeek : What about a triangular flight SYD-GRU-EZE-SYD as well as the SYD-SCL one? A 744ER would manage that flight. The merit in the SCL flight is obvious, s
162 CXfirst : Not true, one could also go the other way around the world through DXB. That's one-stop from BNE, MEL, SYD and PER (or through JNB for SYD and PER).
163 koruman : I hope the employees saw through that piece of dishonest spin as easily as Brazil-based passengers must. Santiago offers no connections whatsoever to
164 thegeek : They've been able to do this for a number of years. The only thing QF are adding is no longer needing to stop in AKL. Interesting suggestion. Main li
165 Post contains images RyanairGuru : I actually think that the triangular route is a good idea. However, it would have to come at the expense of SCL. airnewzealand has told us that 50% o
166 mariner : I know South America pretty well, both coasts (mugged in Guayaquil!) and I don't think what Qantas said is spin or dishonest. mariner
167 RyanairGuru : Koruman, regardless of whether there are important markets unserved in Brazil by LA (yes, this was acknowledged about 50 posts ago!) there is NO deny
168 koruman : I don't know, I think I should get an award for weaving Jade Goody into an aviation thread. Seriously, I see two major Qantas symptoms here: 1. Come
169 Sydscott : You mean transfer of an existing service from a city, EZE, with virtually no ability to feed pax onwards to a city, SCL, where an alliance partner ca
170 Post contains links qf002 : I realised this very shortly after posting! I was going to edit my post, but figured that it's such an unattractive routing that it will probably get
171 RyanairGuru : Seems to have worked for EK and goodness know how many other airlines That's a good point. I've always thought that strengthening relations with LAN
172 thegeek : Indeed, but flying to BER would do much to change this. Who knows? Maybe QF will actually do it.
173 aussie747 : I can tell you now Qantas will not service any other Sth American city. It is a strong VFR market and yields would be too low especially on such an UL
174 TruemanQLD : Sorry, but what about your idea... then fly passengers to Brazil and then, if they want to go to any other destination they would have to back track
175 Post contains images koruman : That's not my suggestion - not at all. I believe that there should be two flights operated by 240 seater aircraft: SYD-SCL for the lower-yielding Spa
176 TruemanQLD : Well I have nothing against the A345 but I think it would be a waste to invest in 4 aircraft, which would be a costly exercise and then flying them t
177 QF175 : * Darwin-based Airnorth will introduce an additional frequency on its Darwin to Karratha (via Broome & Port Hedland) service. From 04JUL12 service
178 qf002 : Cue a rapid QF refurb, using the furniture displaced by the introduction of new stuff in SYD and MEL over the past few years...
179 Post contains links QF175 : Per haggis73's post in the 'AR Bleeding' thread, it looks like Aerolineas may be implementing drastic changes to its Australia/New Zealand schedules.
180 tayser : MEL-HBA is pretty much VA's for the taking re: premium traffic. currently 4x daily on VA only 2x daily on QF (QF group is backed up by all the JQ freq
181 ADDICT4QF : QF B747-400 VH-OJO, delivered in May 1992, has her last revenue service next week before being prepared for retirement.
182 vhebb : Are you sure VH-OJO is being retired? QF have announced they are retiring 6 B744s and have 6 B744s currently listed for sale: VH-OJG VH-OJH VH-OJJ VH-
183 timb777 : I could see this working with the 787, especially if TN goes bust, which wouldn't surprise me given it's recent troubles. It would be a good way of t
184 IndianicWorld : The 787 would have the same ETOPS issues than the 332. The issue with a SYD-PPT-GRU would be yields, so unless the underwriting was significant, the
185 EK413 : Which aircraft will AR utilize on the SYD-EZE route...? Is the A343 capable of operating this route non-stop...? EK413
186 Post contains images RyanairGuru : SYD-EZE is almost exactly the same length as SYD-DXB, so I'm thinking an A345 would be necessary. Cue speculation that AR is about to buy the ex-TG b
187 Post contains links EK413 : Was this before or after AR had been reported to be losing 2.2 million dollars a day AR Bleeding : Daily Loses Of 2.2 Million Dolars (by Gonzalo Mar
188 qf002 : Don't AR have a handful of A342's? They would have the necessary range. In any case I find it extremely unlikely. They can't afford the fuel and won'
189 Post contains links thegeek : No ETOPS issues for SYD-PPT-GRU: http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=s...&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=&ETOPS=180 An A332 could do it, but I'm gu
190 RyanairGuru : I was been sarcastic, hence the smiley!
191 ZK-NBT : The 342, 343 would be able to do it East bound. AR loaded EZE-SYD non stop when QF announced EZE in 2008 but later removed the flights before they st
192 IndianicWorld : In regards to the MEL terminal expansion, it does seem very odd that there is no real thought being placed towards International space provision for t
193 cwalt2 : Qantas ceo Alan Joyce and Jetstar ceo Bruce Buchanan are to make a "major announcement" this morning. Any ideas on what it could be? 787 delivery date
194 Post contains images Sydscott : It's the creation of Jetstar Hong Kong, a new venture with China Eastern.
195 koruman : So Qantas has now got into bed with two Skyteam airlines: Vietnam Airlines (who control Jetstar Pacific) and now China Eastern, who will clearly contr
196 timb777 : Interesting that the 332 could do the PPT - GRU sector. I suppose, if a LAN 763 can make it to South America, then so can a 332. Re yields, if one is
197 Post contains links 6thfreedom : Silk Air services to Darwin kick off today as well.. http://www.ausbt.com.au/singapore-ai...=flipper&utm_campaign=home-flipper
198 RyanairGuru : Like the HNL flight that simply refuses to die, when you have a "premium" leisure destination that people are willing to assign a high value to then
199 TruemanQLD : No chance UNLESS BA move across as well and AA does actually go under. QF has its whole network built around its OW partners (SCL, LHR, LAX, DFW, NRT
200 EK413 : Totally agree its a smart move considering SCL is a OW hub... Too late don't you think considering VA have jumped into bed with SQ... EK413
201 IndianicWorld : The QF plan for Asia is falling into place, piece by piece. Capture the LCC market potential with JQ partnerships, whilst at the same time using those
202 qf002 : Perhaps in terms of the low end of the market, but at the same time they're falling to pieces at the top end... But I agree that JQ has been very ste
203 IndianicWorld : As I said though, that is something it can work on with its partners. It will struggle operating many routes on its own, even in some peoples most op
204 TruemanQLD : 100% agree, it was more a total hypothetical, was more pointing out that QF will never change alliances. I don't see QF/SQ ever partnering up, even t
205 koruman : Yes, it certainly is. My daughter was hoping to go out with the handsome, classy, well-educated Singaporean boy from a good family, whose dad drove a
206 TruemanQLD : Ah was waiting for it, so far all the discussion had been positive, but then koruman joins the conversation and we have to go back to bashing for the
207 koruman : Firstly, we are talking about three aircraft based in Hong Kong SAR, not China. Secondly, the problem with every Qantas Asian fantasy is this. They a
208 Flyingsottsman : I dont think Qantas realy know what they are doing or what they want its like they think Red Q was a good idea at the time looks like that wont happe
209 Flyingsottsman : Great news for Perth. No way QF is a major player with OW in this part of the world, the conections it gives BA and AA here in Australia, not to ment
210 RyanairGuru : If you finished your sentence there then I think you would be bang on the money. (I'm not too familiar with the nature of government intervention in
211 qf002 : Here's how your story goes in my eyes: Your daughter is rejected by the Singaporean family, who think they know better for their son. Of course, it t
212 6thfreedom : This thread has turned into a wills and boons romance, that I'm thoroughly enjoying. Never thought we would see it on a-net of all places! Can someone
213 ZuluAlpha : I can see the cover of the book now, some semi-shirted guy, long waiving dark hair, holding a girl, close to his semi shirted chest, her head thrown
214 jupiter2 : Yer...... Ansett had to bend over the barrel, forced by all parties concerned with the business and well, they got........ Along came the upstart Virg
215 mariner : How has it been a farce? mariner
216 qf002 : I fear we're going a little off topic here... This concept would translate well into a movie down the track, I think we need to get onto some publish
217 mariner : There is a difference - in my mind - between "negative" and "a farce." We have a simple rule in my business - it is very bad luck talk about a contra
218 Zkpilot : Not in Asia with its partners, but JQ Australia is still benefiting from clever accounting where in effect Qantas pays for everything back of house a
219 RyanairGuru : I'm sorry but this is as old as the "Emirates get free oil" line. When we see some proof, then we discuss this. Farce was probably the wrong word to
220 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Not to mention that this so-called virgin had simultaneous affairs with men from the UAE, NZ and USA
221 mariner : Each to their own. I thought Qantas laid out an overview of a strategy - one part (but not the only part) of which has just locked into place. Anothe
222 NZ107 : I don't see it posted anywhere else.. But it looks like VA have FINALLY codeshared with VS on SYD-HKG. I wonder if they'll continue that codeshare thr
223 qf002 : Apologies for the confusion, but I'm thinking about these issues as two unrelated parts of the business. I don't see this HKG deal as being related t
224 TruemanQLD : Once again, you fail to read the information properly. They will have 3 aircraft initially but move to 15 aircraft by2015. A smart move to test the w
225 RyanairGuru : I meant their approach to negotiations, it has been mentioned before that QF are 'difficult to deal with' I think it's a good sign that VA have noted
226 mariner : I'm not sure how many constitutes "a string" and so I wonder how many failed attempts you think there are? I cannot imagine anyone thought this would
227 mariner : I don't know who has mentioned it before, or what their sources are, but I rather hope Qantas is "difficult to deal with." I have little doubt that Q
228 AusA380 : I went from SYD to PEK last year for a conference flying J - excluding the mainland China Airlines (which were only marginally quicker and cheaper),
229 qf002 : Agreed. I have a friend who flies to Japan via Singapore... It adds something like 25% to the total journey, but it's the best way to get there on *
230 Bluebird191 : Actually on Thursdays and Saturdays. A few months back they retimed their BNE-TPE leg from a morning to a night departure (probably for easier connec
231 Post contains links mariner : I can only repeat myself. It was always, as I understood it, a five year plan and always fraught with difficulties. At the same time, if he hadn't an
232 Sydscott : It's bandied around this board by the usual QF haters without offering a shred of evidence to back it up. Being difficult to deal with is a good thin
233 eta unknown : I believe this is a last ditch attempt to save the BNE-TPE route... probably same crew operates the aircraft back to TPE that night with minimum crew
234 QantasAirways : Thanks, that's interesting info. Does anyone know how CI is doing on the same route, considering they also re-timed their flights to be red-eye and a
235 RyanairGuru : How many days a week do China Airways fly? There's standing your ground in a negotiation, and then there's refusing to concede anything and basically
236 mariner : I'm sure several of the union leaders consider Mr. Joyce "difficult (impossible?) to deal with." But - I believe - they seriously underestimated him
237 qf002 : Oops, you are quite correct. 3.
238 IndianicWorld : There sits the issue. We do not know what actually happened and how these dealings were handled. Who were the ones not budging? It may well have een
239 Post contains links Boof : For those interested the US website flightaware has expanded to Australia. This incorporates the Mobile apps and all the flight info to and from Austr
240 qf002 : So am I! I just saw the email that they've sent out to all their members promoting this, and it looks like it'll be as fully featured as the internat
241 ADDICT4QF : QF B747-400ER OEJ re-entered service today with A380 product to DFW [reconfigured aircraft #4]. QF B747-400ER OEE positioned to Avalon today to be rec
242 Post contains links wilco737 : Please continue with part #60: Australian Aviation Thread # 60 (by QF175 Mar 28 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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