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Rogue Jeep On PHL RWY Yesterday (w/ Video)  
User currently offlinemattya9 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 130 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5234 times:

Not sure how many people heard about this yesterday but apparently it happened early yesterday morning at PHL. Driver went through a construction gate and right on to 9L/27R. Arrivals and departures were delayed for only about 5 minutes until they apprehended the guy. Here's a link with video from a pilot in the cockpit of one of the planes...

http://news.yahoo.com/video/world-22...unway-caught-on-tape-28482975.html

I can see these pilots being nervous about what this guy might do. Aircraft waiting for takeoff are obviously sitting ducks had the guy been driving a jeep full of explosives. Anyone think the FAA will make changes to perimeter fencing and/or vehicle entrance gates? I've worked OPS at airports for 4+ years now and a 10 foot chain link fence isn't going to stop a vehicle going even 30mph. If someone wants to get through the fence onto the airport it's not hard at all, unfortunately. However, I'm not sure if there's an easy/cost effective fix for a problem like this. Anyone have any suggestions?

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User currently offlinemmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5219 times:

Well...

Maybe we should equip every airport with a seawizz defense system...hell; why stop at just airports? Might as well include national landmarks and other important locations.

This isn't something that happens often; to justify the expense of heavier fencing.

Do we all forget that an airport is just a certified piece of concrete? chalk it up to shit happens, and continue moving on.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

Runway incursions are always dangerous. Fortunetly this guy was caught by the PPD and Airfield Operations.

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9376 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

It is always amazing that the USA, which imposing rules and regulations to the rest of the world how they have to defend to defend their airports against intruders and - example - cars driven onto the tarmac - does not do their homework., Or should I say, have sub-standrad rules and regulations at home?


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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5013 times:
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"PHL officials say 'No changes will be made' ."

Yup. That's the Philadelphia that I know.   


User currently offlinemmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 3):
It is always amazing that the USA, which imposing rules and regulations to the rest of the world how they have to defend to defend their airports against intruders and - example - cars driven onto the tarmac - does not do their homework., Or should I say, have sub-standrad rules and regulations at home?

We were once a nation of implied civil liberties...now everytime some idiot breathes. I lose more of MY civil liberties; which is complete and utter crap. I'm personally getting sick of it.

I shouldn't have the first lady controlling the size of my snicker bar, nor get happy felt at an airport. This is becoming retarded and instead of us as a nation; ending stupidity, we reward it, with more rules and regulations.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 3):
It is always amazing that the USA, which imposing rules and regulations to the rest of the world how they have to defend to defend their airports against intruders and - example - cars driven onto the tarmac - does not do their homework., Or should I say, have sub-standrad rules and regulations at home?

The problem with rules, regulations, and laws anywhere in the world is they only prevent the innocent from violating them. Germany has had airport security issues, too. Like the airport worker at FRA who shot and killed 3 USAF Airmen boarding a USAF bus, and wounded some others before he was stopped by other Airmen.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9376 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 6):

The problem with rules, regulations, and laws anywhere in the world is they only prevent the innocent from violating them. Germany has had airport security issues, too. Like the airport worker at FRA who shot and killed 3 USAF Airmen boarding a USAF bus, and wounded some others before he was stopped by other Airme

That happened in the public area at the bus station and not in a security zone, hence it was not an "airport security issue". I guess they have changed the place were US soldiers board busses now, they should have done that in first place.

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User currently onlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1551 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 3):
It is always amazing that the USA, which imposing rules and regulations to the rest of the world how they have to defend to defend their airports against intruders

I guess only in the US (and not in Germany) a vehicle can crash through a gate. Physics must be different in Europe.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlinewagz From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 516 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4733 times:
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Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 4):
"PHL officials say 'No changes will be made' ."

Yup. That's the Philadelphia that I know.

That's not accurate from what I've seen. Local news media here have reported he is being charged at least with DUI, recklessly endangering another person, resisting arrest and "related offenses". If they really wanted to, I'm sure they could charge him with one count of recklessly endangering another person for every person on every plane present. That would be a bit absurd though, so maybe just one count for every plane affected.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23011 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4682 times:

Quoting wagz (Reply 9):
If they really wanted to, I'm sure they could charge him with one count of recklessly endangering another person for every person on every plane present.

Come on. No one on any planes on the ground was in danger. In a crash between a 3,500 pound Jeep and a 100,000 pound airplane, the airplane is going to win - by a lot.



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User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2443 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4619 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
Come on. No one on any planes on the ground was in danger.....

They were all potentially in danger. The fear was the Jeep may have been loaded with explosives.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23011 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4601 times:

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 11):
They were all potentially in danger.

Sure. But unless Pennsylvania has some really odd criminal law, the driver can't be criminally liable for potential explosives that did not, in fact, exist.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9376 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4573 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 8):
Physics must be different in Europe.

Not physics but the access. There is no direct access from public areas / roads to the restricted zone at the major German airports.



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User currently onlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1551 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 13):
Not physics but the access. There is no direct access from public areas / roads to the restricted zone at the major German airports.

So there are no gates that allow for vehicles to enter the airfield?

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9376 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 14):
So there are no gates that allow for vehicles to enter the airfield?

You know what an onion is, right? The first layer is the airport perimeter road. If you want to access the general service areas, like for cargo, you have to register. Either you have a swipe card and are pre-checked or you enter a gate house to register and get a swipe card for one-time use.

From where you are then, you will have a hard time to access the "red zone" which used to be available with "red" swipe cards. No longer since a couple of years. Whoever enters that zone service vheicle, mechanics, everybody will be screened, drive into the screening area, gates close behind and only after screening gates open so they can drive out.

All by special request of our freinds across the pond., Whoever wants to crash through a fence won't succeed.

Funny you don#t do it in ya' onw country. Looks like your airport authorities, which are usually community run, have a good lobby so they dont have t spend the money which our privately organised airports simply have to pay and impose on the customers.

Next added security will be, starting April 29th, the delivery of all items sold or used "air side".



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User currently offlineB727LVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 6):
The problem with rules, regulations, and laws anywhere in the world is they only prevent the innocent from violating them.




Exactly, laws in all countries are only mean to keep the honest people honest. If someone wants to break a law, they are going to do it, the only recourse is the punishment established by that country's judicial system.

Quoting mmedford (Reply 1):
Maybe we should equip every airport with a seawizz defense system...hell


A bit over the top, but it would be effective!

Quoting mmedford (Reply 1):
why stop at just airports? Might as well include national landmarks and other important locations.



They already have... The TSA is doing random vehicle inspections on I-40 in Tennessee: http://tennesseenewspress.com/2011/1...sa-checkpoints-now-on-tn-highways/

Quoting mattya9 (Thread starter):
I've worked OPS at airports for 4+ years now and a 10 foot chain link fence isn't going to stop a vehicle going even 30mph.



Very true, an easy and relatively cost effective way is to use scrap metal, from ships, buildings ect. and build an inner barrier about 3 feet tall, just inside the fence line. It doesn't have to be this elaborate contraption, just something that would keep a vehicle from going much further. I would only construct these in the areas were a "runaway" vehicle is most likely to enter. The whole perimeter does not need it.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23011 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 15):
From where you are then, you will have a hard time to access the "red zone" which used to be available with "red" swipe cards. No longer since a couple of years. Whoever enters that zone service vheicle, mechanics, everybody will be screened, drive into the screening area, gates close behind and only after screening gates open so they can drive out.

It took me about a minute to find a German airport (with TATL flights) that lacks this type of arrangement. Take a look at this shot of STR.



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User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4454 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 4):
"PHL officials say 'No changes will be made' ."

Yup. That's the Philadelphia that I know.

What more do you want them to do? The guy guy crashed through a closed and locked gate/ fence.
Would you like them to post a guard there? He likely would have crashed through the guard too. In fact, there were construction workers right near that gate that witnessed the incident.

Obviously, this guy was determined to do wrong. Nothing could be done to prevent it and he was quickly apprehended by the airport police and airport operations before anyone was hurt.


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4413 times:
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