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AC Jazz Q400's To The West?  
User currently offlineHawaiian763 From Canada, joined May 2009, 259 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6613 times:

Just curious to know, now that Jazz is taking delivery of more Q400's, could we potentially start to see them come out west? If we start to see the Q400's out west in cities like YYC and YVR, what routes could they be deployed on?

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User currently offlineheathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6576 times:

I don't think it will happen any time soon. Out of YYC, I can maybe see YQU and YLW, possibly YYJ. I guess they may even want to cinsider it on YYC/YEG to YXE, YQR or even YWG. Everything else doesn't need the capacity of the Q400. I'd think we'll see more expansion in the East first.

User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6528 times:

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Thread starter):
Just curious to know, now that Jazz is taking delivery of more Q400's, could we potentially start to see them come out west? If we start to see the Q400's out west in cities like YYC and YVR, what routes could they be deployed on?

Have Jazz exercised their options ? If so I missed it.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1908 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6476 times:

How many are they taking delivery of?

Possibly as a replacement for some of their DH8-100/300s? The oldest in the fleet is 26 years old.



Flying refined.
User currently offlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6292 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 3):
How many are they taking delivery of?

Possibly as a replacement for some of their DH8-100/300s? The oldest in the fleet is 26 years old.


15 being delivered with 15 options.

They are replacing CRJ100/200s.

Maybe with a possibility of Qs operating for WS you may see them out west sooner than planned.


User currently offlineYTZ From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 2215 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6286 times:

I wonder why Jazz even flies CRJs these days. Fuel prices must be killing them. I would think flying a Q400 is cheaper than a 50 seat CRJ. Or am I wrong?

User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6261 times:

Quoting YTZ (Reply 5):
I wonder why Jazz even flies CRJs these days. Fuel prices must be killing them. I would think flying a Q400 is cheaper than a 50 seat CRJ. Or am I wrong?

Because the CPA with AC is quite favourable to Jazz.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6115 times:

Quoting Hawaiian763 (Thread starter):
Just curious to know, now that Jazz is taking delivery of more Q400's, could we potentially start to see them come out west?
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 2):
Have Jazz exercised their options ? If so I missed it.

My guess is that the options have already been exercised and it's just a matter of them announcing it.


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6067 times:

YVR to YXJ, YXS, YKA, YLW, SEA & PDX would all make perfect sense.


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User currently offlineCRJ 900 From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 594 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5963 times:

From what we have been told at Jazz the first 15 stay in YYZ. Even though you will see them in YUL, only YYZ base is trained to operate the type. No options have been switched to confirmed orders. AC makes the decision which aircraft on which runs.

User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5597 times:

Quoting heathrow (Reply 1):
I don't think it will happen any time soon. Out of YYC, I can maybe see YQU and YLW, possibly YYJ. I guess they may even want to cinsider it on YYC/YEG to YXE, YQR or even YWG.

Any YYC route with CRJ or Dash 8-300 is a candidate for the Q400.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 2):
Have Jazz exercised their options ? If so I missed it.

Not yet. 10 delivered, 5 to go. 15 options active.

Quoting whiteguy (Reply 4):
They are replacing CRJ100/200s.

Well that is what they stated. But Jazz is using them on alot of former Dash 8-100/300 routes.

Quoting CRJ 900 (Reply 9):
Even though you will see them in YUL

The AC Q400's in YUL are the SkyRegional to YTZ. Unless Jazz Q400 flies to YUL now, which I didnt think they did.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlinechrisa330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5588 times:

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 10):
The AC Q400's in YUL are the SkyRegional to YTZ. Unless Jazz Q400 flies to YUL now, which I didnt think they did.

The Jazz Q400s do fly through YUL...just not YYZ-YUL. For example, they are flying YUL-YQM/YYG


User currently offlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5551 times:

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 10):
Well that is what they stated. But Jazz is using them on alot of former Dash 8-100/300 routes.

CRJs are leaving or left the fleet and Q400s have been added. Doesn't matter what routes theyre using them on.

And they are being used on some former RJ routes.


User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5530 times:

Quoting whiteguy (Reply 12):
Quoting yyz717 (Reply 10):
Well that is what they stated. But Jazz is using them on alot of former Dash 8-100/300 routes.

CRJs are leaving or left the fleet and Q400s have been added. Doesn't matter what routes theyre using them on.

Since the current 10 Q400's joined the fleet last spring, no CRJ's have left the fleet. The CRJ fleet has been at 48 active aircraft for over a year now.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlinebmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

As I understand it, the Q400's were specifically intended for AC's Express service from YTZ-YUL. Of course AC will probably expand their use as more arrive.


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User currently offlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5498 times:

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 13):
Since the current 10 Q400's joined the fleet last spring, no CRJ's have left the fleet. The CRJ fleet has been at 48 active aircraft for over a year now.

Since 2010 10 CRJs have left the fleet being parked or returned to lessor. There are another 5 or 6 scheduled to leave between Jan and April this year, some may be gone already. 1 CRJ was removed and transferred to the charter side of Jazz.

There are now either 11 or 12 Q400 in the fleet. Fin 412 was just delivered. Fin 409 is showing delivered or not delivered yet, depends where you look.


User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5480 times:

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 14):
As I understand it, the Q400's were specifically intended for AC's Express service from YTZ-YUL.

No. The YTZ-YUL operation is run by 5 used Q400's operated by SkyRegional.

The 10 (or so) Jazz Q400's are based at YYZ. The 2 fleets are not mixed although they look identical (other than small "operated by...." stickers).



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5467 times:

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 14):
As I understand it, the Q400's were specifically intended for AC's Express service from YTZ-YUL. Of course AC will probably expand their use as more arrive.

The YTZ operation is separate from Jazz. They are operated by Sky Regional.


User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2642 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5283 times:

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 16):
The 10 (or so) Jazz Q400's are based at YYZ

Since were on the subject. Can anyone confirm all the AC and Jazz pilot bases per aircraft type.

Is the following correct?

A333 - YYZ, YVR
B763 - YUL, YYZ, YVR
B777 - YYZ, YVR, (YUL ?)
E170/190 - YUL, YYZ, YVR, (YYC ?)
A319/320/321 - YUL, YYZ, YYC, YVR

Jazz
Q400 - YYZ
CRJ1/2 - YUL, YYZ, YVR, YYC
CRJ9 - YYZ, YUL
Q100/300 - YUL, YYZ, YVR, YYC
B190 (Air Georgian) - YUL, YYZ

Thenoflyzone



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User currently offlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 18):
Is the following correct?

A333 - YYZ, YVR
B763 - YUL, YYZ, YVR
B777 - YYZ, YVR, (YUL ?)
E170/190 - YUL, YYZ, YVR, (YYC ?)
A319/320/321 - YUL, YYZ, YYC, YVR

Jazz
Q400 - YYZ
CRJ1/2 - YUL, YYZ, YVR, YYC
CRJ9 - YYZ, YUL
Q100/300 - YUL, YYZ, YVR, YYC
B190 (Air Georgian) - YUL, YYZ

For AC there is no pilot base for any aircraft in YYC.

There is a YWG base for A320 pilot group.

For Jazz the CRJs are all in one group and the bases are YYC, YVR, YUL, and YYZ.

Jazz also has a YHZ base. Not sure which aircraft. I think both.

YYZ is also a bases for the B757 pilots. An aircraft is based in YVR this winter, not sure if they're YYZ based or YVR pilots.

Air Georgian also has a YYC base now since taking over the CMA flying in the fall.


User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2642 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5177 times:

Quoting whiteguy (Reply 19):
For AC there is no pilot base for any aircraft in YYC.

Jeez. Considering the substantial amount of ops AC has at YYC, that's a surprise. The E jets and the A320 family should have a base at YYC.

Thenoflyzone



us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5118 times:

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 8):
YVR to YXJ, YXS, YKA, YLW, SEA & PDX would all make perfect sense.

Those too would be my choice's adding YYC and YEG to YLW YKA YQU YMM YXE YQR, YWG to YXE YQR YQT and lastly YYJ to YYC.


User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5054 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 2):
Have Jazz exercised their options ? If so I missed it.

Nope, not yet.

Quoting whiteguy (Reply 15):
Fin 409 is showing delivered or not delivered yet, depends where you look.

It has NOT been delivered. FIN's 401-408 + 410-412 have been delivered so far. FIN 412 arrived in YYZ at 1425L/01MAR and is under going our fleet modifications.

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 18):
Jazz
Q400 - YYZ
CRJ1/2 - YUL, YYZ, YVR, YYC
CRJ9 - YYZ, YUL
Q100/300 - YUL, YYZ, YVR, YYC
B190 (Air Georgian) - YUL, YYZ

Our bases break down as follows...

FA's

DH1/3: YVR, YYC, YYZ, YUL, YHZ
CRJ/CRA: YVR, YYC, YYZ, YUL, YHZ
DH4: YYZ, YUL
757: YVR, YYZ, YUL, YHZ

Pilots

DH1/3: YVR, YYC, YYZ, YUL YHZ
CRJ/CRA: YVR, YYC, YYZ, YUL
DH4: YYZ
757: YVR, YYZ, YUL

Quoting whiteguy (Reply 19):
Air Georgian also has a YYC base now since taking over the CMA flying in the fall.

Georgian has pilots based in: YYC, YYZ, YUL, YHZ



Last Flight(s): YHZ-YUL-YYC-YVR-YYJ // YYJ-YYZ-YSJ-YHZ.....Next Flight(s):
User currently offlinewhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 816 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4852 times:

Quoting RJLover (Reply 22):
It has NOT been delivered. FIN's 401-408 + 410-412 have been delivered so far. FIN 412 arrived in YYZ at 1425L/01MAR and is under going our fleet modifications.

Thanks for the info. I didn't think it was delivered yet. Any reason why? Is it involved in testing or something?


User currently offlinemultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4745 times:

Did Jazz (Chorus) buy/lease the planes, or did AC?

25 CRJ 900 : Jazz owns them, well I should say Chorus owns them and they lease them to Jazz. division. The 15 options are Jazz's as well.
26 bobloblaw : My understanding is the block hour costs are nearly equal but you get 20 more seats on the DH4 so CASM is much lower on the DH4.
27 9252fly : I believe that Jazz has their DH4 configured with 74 seats,that suggests a 1/3 or 33% fuel savings per seat. With that in mind,I can see how it would
28 heathrow : This is an increase of 24 seats which is really not needed on a lot of these routes. I understand the aircraft can do the same job, but it's better s
29 9252fly : That may be true,but the market keeps evolving and AC has to keep an eye on the competition. If WS selects the DH4 for their upcoming regional carrie
30 ANM604 : Agreed. I'd love to see AC/Jazz increase their flying out of YLW, one of the fastest growing areas in BC. Tons of potential for some increases in cap
31 YVRLTN : YXJ is all CRJ, but see this Same operating cost with extra chance for revenue. Why wouldnt you? All the more reason to get something nicer on the ro
32 Viscount724 : As a sidenote, in the 2011 Canadian census results issued a couple of weeks ago, Kelowna was Canada's 4th fastest-growing metropolitan area between t
33 RJLover : I *heard* some part of the structure had to be rebuilt (or something like that) and that changed the lineup, but I have no idea if that is the truth
34 ANM604 : I have also heard this as well. It's a shame they revert back to QK, I think AC should be increasing their footprint there. Especially with WS's impe
35 9252fly : The impression I get is that AC is chasing yield not volume in a lot of markets,hence the utilization of QK to provide the frequency that appeals to
36 ANM604 : I would think there is some good yields flying into YLW, lots of tourists headed to Big White and others. And certainly during the summers as well, t
37 connies4ever : I believe that's correct, the single engine driftdown rate over the Rockies is the reason the 175s don't go further than YYC. In fact, I'm not even s
38 9252fly : They are often scheduled out of YXE / YQR to YOW / YYZ. I had seen one once in YYC but that was a rarity and most likely due to a swap and lack of ot
39 Hawaiian763 : Anyone know the reason why Air Georgian took over some of the regional flights out of YYC from CMA?
40 longhauler : The airplane can do it, but there are restrictions. AC with the Lido flight planning system requires 2000' above the highest obstacle, (Transport Can
41 Post contains images cyeg66 : ^ And yet CRJ's fly around like mosquitoes b/w YYC/YEG and any points west. Bizarre that the E175/190 have to have special operating procedures in the
42 longhauler : Not the E190, just the E175. Remember that the E170/175 share a wing, so the E175 is a little "underwinged", while the E190/195 share a wing, so the
43 threepoint : Kelowna is not a high-yield market, despite its rapid growth. Not sure when you last visited, but many of those "big money developments" are in varyi
44 whiteguy : CMA let the work go. More money in the charter side these days!
45 Post contains images heathrow : I fly PD about every other weekend, and it truly is an amazing product. This cannot be expected from AC and certainly not QK. The Q would give them g
46 cyeg66 : I was referring to your specific comment about E190's needing special ops around YLW. Aware of the major differences between E170/5 and E190/5's. Sti
47 longhauler : Again I am not familiar with procedures of other airlines. When the E190 first flew into YLW, a special procedure was engineered in the case of an en
48 ANM604 : There may not be the same amount of money in Kelowna as in YVR, but don't kid yourself, there are a lot of people that either live there, or vacation
49 YYCFlyer : I was talking with a Jazz Flight Attendant this week and she said that the YVR base was about to start training for the DH4?
50 9252fly : Perhaps they are short flight attendants in YYZ? Seems a bit early to be training flight attendants for western ops when there are no DH4 aircraft in
51 YVRLTN : Not had occasion to check out cargo capacity yet for the Q400 - how does it compare with the DH3? There are bags for potentiialy 20+ extra pax, so bo
52 CRJ 900 : Just spoke to one of my colleagues who is in Annual training in YVR at this very moment and they are not being trained on the Q4, so I don't know whe
53 Boeingorbust : AC Express has got to love using them for the Eastern Triangle and short routes over there. Not as much deployment efficiency in the West I wouldn't t
54 yyz717 : The big question for AC Express is what are they going to replace their 40+ CRJ fleet with, and their 60+ Dash-8-100/300? This is most of their fleet.
55 yyz717 : Several reports indicate that the SkyRegional Q400's average about a 30% LF. I bet the operation loses money. Porter seems to be holding its own in t
56 threepoint : Of all the people on this forum, I am very well attuned to this fact. However...how many of them fly vs drive when they leave town? Uh huh. For how m
57 Viscount724 : That would weaken their position in my opinion. The problem with routes like YTZ-YUL and YTZ-YOW is that demand varies widely depending on the time o
58 pnwtraveler : Onslaught might be a bit of an overstatement. In terms of flights in the triangle, AC still has a very strong lead. I am sure there has been some err
59 ANM604 : Look at the price of driving to YVR from Kelowna then compare that to a flight. Might be cheaper for a family of 5 but for 2-3 people flying would pr
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