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KLM (767?) Incident In Oporto, Portugal.  
User currently offlineTP343 From Brazil, joined May 1999, 312 posts, RR: 4
Posted (16 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

It was reported yesterday by the "Telejornal" of RTPi (Portuguese International TV Channel) that a KLM plane flying Lisbon - Oporto - Amsterdam route the-day-before-yesterday detected a disfunction of the right engine, which was reported to be "abnormally vibrating", which caused the last flight leg to be cancelled, leaving the passengers inland at OPO.

The news service has not advanced what aircraft was making the route, but since this route is normally flown with a 767 and it was said that "nearly 250 passengers were left inland", I presume the equipment was really a B767. It was not advanced as well what time had the plane taken off from Oporto, nor if the plane stayed inland and other plane had to come from AMS. All that was said is that the KLM service was not really serviceable, and there was a big lack of information and care.

Could any of our Portuguese friends here (Mirage, CV990, JR737, etc.) confirm this and eventually add something new and more concrete?


TP343, São Paulo, Brazil.

P.S. KLM's 767s are GE CF6 powered.

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User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (16 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

It seems that the plane was in fact a 763 from Martinair flying on behalf of KLM. The registration is PH-MCI and was the flight KL 1695. It arrived on the Nov 1st at 1130 (STA).
Yesterday (Nov 2nd) there was more two KLM flights: KL 1693, 763, PH-BZC and KL 7431, MD11 wich, I think, went to carry the passengers from the KL 1695 from the day before (the one with engine problems).
PH-MCI has the manufacturer fuselage number 400 and is powered by 2 PW PW4060 (same type as those of Egyptair 990).

Any thoughts?

Mirage, Faro, Portugal

User currently offlineTP343 From Brazil, joined May 1999, 312 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (16 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2956 times:

Thank you, Mirage!

"Any thoughts?"

Well, yes. It seems that things are becoming delicate for Boeing, for the 767 and and for the PW side... Let's, meanwhile, wait and see how will this develop.

Thank you again!

TP343, São Paulo, Brazil.

P.S. did you know 2 passengers of this delayed flight decided to go to the beach because they had to stay in Portugal one day more and they were killed and taken by the sea? How destin is! If the engine hadn't any problem, they would be safe at home in the Netherlands...

User currently offlineMirage From Portugal, joined May 1999, 3125 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (16 years 6 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

That was really sad and I couldn't belive that news while whatching the TV. The "Telejornal" version was not very good. I saw in other local television (SIC) that the wave pushed two young childs as they were walking along the beach, the father went to the water and could save one but then he lost energies and died with the other son. I was shocked while whatching this, really sad. I know they were going to Holland but didn't know it was that flight.

Back to aviation, I also saw on TV that while at LAX an employee from Egyptair told something about the aircraft was with some kind of problem but he couldn't say what it was (he told this to his girlfriend). Also they told that one thrust reverser was turned off on the SU-GAP. I don't know what this really means but it's just another note.
Now this Martinair 763 with the strong vibration on the engine......I don't want to speculate on this, I'm just stating the facts.

Luis, Faro, Portugal

User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3535 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (16 years 6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

Man, I really think that the 763's should be grounded until everything's in order again... I bet something will happen in a near future...

User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (16 years 6 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

I don't think that 767 should be grounded. I aircraft has had an excellent record. In fact, I feel that the 767 is one of the safest around and would never hesitate for one second to fly on one. This is just coïncidence. To have three (or was it two) hull losses in almost 20 years of service is incredible. And plus, we don't even know what happened to fl990, as right know anything is still possible, so until a cause is found, especially a recurring problem, suchas the thrust reversers (as in Lauda Air), I think it would be detrimental to the airlines that operate the 700+ 767's flying round the world.


P.S. I was watching CNN or MSNBC, and a woman was on, and do you know what she said...thrust reversers are only used on landing...and on take-off. Now maybe I'm a cynic, but if you don't know about the vital systems of an aeroplane, than don't do on TV acting as thouhg you do. A little humour always lightens up the news.

« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (16 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

LH123 wrote:
> I was watching CNN or MSNBC, and a woman was on, and
> do you know what she said...thrust reversers are only used
> on landing...and on take-off.

Those Yakkity-Yak TV shows are full of such airheads, but on a more serious note, thrust reversers do come in handy on an aborted take-off.

I'm not sure however, if thats what the lady was trying to say.

User currently offlineStlbham From United States of America, joined May 1999, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (16 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2912 times:

It seems that when a crash involves a certain trype of aircraft anything that happens to that type of aircraft for a few weeks makes the news. Even though these incidents, (the one earlier and also a delta one the other day) could be tragedies, the news channels like to make something out of nothing. All over the world these incidents happen each day and nothing much is made of them, until something major happens. The same thing happened with the MD-11 last year. That is just my opinion.



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