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SAN: Phil's BBQ coming to Terminal 2  
User currently offlineirelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5358 times:

Phil's BBQ is coming to Terminal 2!!!

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/peopl...6-64ad-11e1-830b-0019bb2963f4.html

-IR

EDIT: My 1000th post on A.net!

[Edited 2012-03-04 16:29:55]

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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5143 times:

Mmmmmmmmmmmm! Yeah, there's going to be lots of good food and shopping at the airport later this year and next.

Here's a link to the list of new concessions/retailers at SAN:
http://www.san.org/sdia/at_the_airport/upcoming_concessions.aspx

p.s. Congrat's to you on your 1000th post, IR!

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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1481 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5070 times:

I agree with the major compaint regarding food offerings in Terminal 1. The only sit down offering is in the WN gates 1 and 2 section. Since security lines are long, many arrive rather early for flights. A couple of relaxing places would be great. I recognize the space limitation and the need for reconfiguration to accomplish this.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4972 times:

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 2):
I agree with the major compaint regarding food offerings in Terminal 1. The only sit down offering is in the WN gates 1 and 2 section. Since security lines are long, many arrive rather early for flights. A couple of relaxing places would be great. I recognize the space limitation and the need for reconfiguration to accomplish this.

There's a LOT of remodeling going on at SAN these days besides the Green Build (10 new gates and elevated roadway being the major components.) Unfortunately, a complete remake of T1 is some years away -- probably waiting until all the dust settles from the current construction, and they decide exactly what they will do about T1.

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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4945 times:

The WN (and AS) terminal sucks. I've harped on this time and time again. It sucks. It's the worst terminal in the system. There's no sit down place in the gate 1-2 area (or wasn't last time I was there). There is that Yan-Can-Cook place before security for the horrible mess.

I show up for my WN flight, 30 minutes before departure and zip through the priority line. I love the terrible glares I get from people who wait for 1+ hour to get through, and I'm in and out in 10-15 minutes.

I love SAN and that airport is really convenient, but the WN digs are awful. Is AS moving to the "new" T2?


User currently offlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 283 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4858 times:

Phil's BBQ at SAN sounds good, but unless they provide plenty of seating, they might end up with lots of people waiting to be seated, like the long line at the Sports Arena Blvd location (I like their beef ribs, so I usually go there at lunch time during weekdays to avoid the long line).

If an airport restaurant at a busy airport makes good food, then there's a chance that there will be long wait times for a table. I was transiting through IAH this past Friday, so I had lunch at Pappadeaux Seafood Kitchen. I was fortunate enough to arrive at the restaurant around noon, because I didn't have to wait for a table. After 1:00 pm, there were a lot of people that were waiting to be seated.

[Edited 2012-03-04 21:46:09]


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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 824 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4723 times:
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Quoting chrisair (Reply 4):
The WN (and AS) terminal sucks. I've harped on this time and time again. It sucks. It's the worst terminal in the system.

T-1 is 1960's era, pretty ancient by today's standard. I think they're deciding what to do with it. They've remodeled
it so much now, I'm betting the final decision is to eventually demolish it and rebuild from the ground up.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 4):
I love SAN and that airport is really convenient, but the WN digs are awful. Is AS moving to the "new" T2?

I'm not sure about AS moving, but UA is supposed to be the new tenants of the new 10 gates in T-2. When UA moves
it will be the first time UA has moved to the new terminals. They have been at Terminal 1 since it opened in
1967. That's 44 years! One interesting thing I saw today, CO is gone from the signage, It now says United on the T-2
signs but also has in small print "Houston and Newark flights".

As for Phil's Barbecue opening at SAN, I'm guessing the airlines are not going to like barbecue stains all over their
cabins! 

[Edited 2012-03-04 23:08:06]


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4684 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 4):
The WN (and AS) terminal sucks. I've harped on this time and time again.

Yes you have and it is duly noted. (And surprise surprise, you're not the only traveler who doesn't care for T1!. Which is one reason I said what I did in my post #3.)

The terminal is approaching its 50 year anniversary although the pre-security parts (such as the ticketing lobby and baggage claim area) don't seem that bad but I know the gate areas are in need of, well, replacement is probably the best term to use! WN, UA and AS are the only cx but they make pretty heavy use of all 19 gates there. I have noticed that WN's pax volume has been steadily decreasing for most of the last year (even though the ariport's overall pax traffic level has held steady) so maybe people are finally getting tired of the bad conditions and are choosing other cx.

UA will be moving their T1 op's over to the new gates (the Green Build T2W expansion) before next summer. I have had no luck finding out what AS's plans are; perhaps they will take over the entire West Rotunda once UA leaves, or maybe they will also move to T2W.

However, next year you will have lots more eating opportunities in T1 so I hope that will help. (Just go to the link I placed in my reply #1, and click the "Download New Concession Map" button which shows all the new places in each terminal.)

(Sorry SANMAN' for the duplication of our posts; I got pulled off A.net for a while mid-way through this post.)

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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
Yes you have and it is duly noted.

I'm going to continue harping on it until they obliterate that terminal. The City of San Diego and Southwest should be ashamed of that terminal. It's (post security) a disgrace to an otherwise wonderful city. It really makes an awful impression on first time visitors, especially since WN is the dominant carrier there.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
However, next year you will have lots more eating opportunities in T1 so I hope that will help. (Just go to the link I placed in my reply #1, and click the "Download New Concession Map" button which shows all the new places in each terminal.)

I try to spend as little time in there as possible. I have one secret place that's quiet and away from the sea of humanity in that terminal, and I guard its location like KFC guards the secret recipe.

That being said, I miss the Boudin Bakery in the food court. I was sad when they replaced it with that deli.


User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 824 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3889 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
I have noticed that WN's pax volume has been steadily decreasing for most of the last year (even though the ariport's overall pax traffic level has held steady) so maybe people are finally getting tired of the bad conditions and are choosing other cx.

My theory about the pax dropoff from WN is that the airfares are now equal to legacy carriers. Pax are going to
other carriers because the other carriers offer more in-flight services than WN, such as IFE, more snacks (B.O.B) than just peanuts and soft drinks. I don't think it's just T-1 at Lindbergh, but it's the higher airfares. Why pay more
for hardly any amenities when you can pay the same amount for more amenities?

Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
(Sorry SANMAN' for the duplication of our posts; I got pulled off A.net for a while mid-way through this post.)

No problem! 'B!

Quoting SANFan (Reply 1):
there's going to be lots of good food and shopping at the airport later this year and next.

With all the new retail and eateries, I'll bet T-2W is going to look like an indoor shopping mall! Last summer I was at
RDU and they recently opened their new Terminal-2, and it looks almost like a mall, their older, Terminal-1 had only
WN and FL there, similar to Lindbergh. I counted 52 new retail and eateries coming to SAN!



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User currently offlineirelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 1):
Here's a link to the list of new concessions/retailers at SAN:
http://www.san.org/sdia/at_the_airport/upcoming_concessions.aspx

p.s. Congrat's to you on your 1000th post, IR!

I see Stone Brewery is on that list! And thanks!

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 6):
When UA moves
it will be the first time UA has moved to the new terminals. They have been at Terminal 1 since it opened in
1967. That's 44 years!

That's pretty interesting. It definitely shows. Whenever I arrive at or leave T-2 I think...ok this is a modern looking airport. T-1 though...T-1 is a disgrace. The gate 1 and 2 area is nice in that whenever I get a flight that departs from there (LAS and BWI so far) but that's just because the security line is super short. I think if they built a connector bridge between the two , wiped out some counters and moved the baggage claim to the normal location, they could have 3 security lanes that all feed into one terminal and improve the situation a little. I wonder how feasible that is?

It's obviously pre 9/11 but the food court is completely useless. I can't eat there unless it's McDonald's, and even then I can't get coffee because I can't finish it in time. Who gets to the airport with enough time to have a sit down meal there? I think that's maybe why Rubio's left.

That's another thing. The one thing SAN does NOT have is real SoCal Mexican food!!!! Both Rubio's and a taco shop would do VERY well there. I mean SoCal Mexican food is MADE for travel (burritos, tacos, quesadillas). If I could get a California burrito before my flight I'd be a happy man. Who cares if it smells.

I think the ultimate solution to this problem, if this is going to be THE airport for the region until 2050 (which it looks like it will be) is tear down T1 completely and build the "green build" on the other side as well. Just having one terminal would free up some space too. I think they could maybe even add a gate or two in the process by using the space more efficiently.

I mean while you are at it, tear down the United Cargo building, move it to the cargo ramp, and connect the commuter terminal with the rest of the airport.

Also, does anyone know if they plan to do the whole trolley stop thing with the underground walkway? Or was that just a pipe dream?

-IR


User currently offlinerangercarp From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3397 times:

Quoting irelayer (Reply 10):
I mean while you are at it, tear down the United Cargo building, move it to the cargo ramp, and connect the commuter terminal with the rest of the airport.

Please do! I flew out of the commuter termial last night after flying into T2 last week. I was very impressed with T2. It felt like california as soon as I stepped into the terminal from the jetway. With only four gates the comuter terminal seems pointless, and I hate beiung sequestered in a small area with out being able to walk around the rest of the airport.



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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 824 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3394 times:
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Quoting irelayer (Reply 10):
I mean while you are at it, tear down the United Cargo building, move it to the cargo ramp, and connect the commuter terminal with the rest of the airport.

I thought that would be a good idea if they would simply move the UA cargo building over to cargo side, that
could free up more space for expansion. I agree, T-1 needs to be replaced. They can't do much more to it
to bring it up to today's standards. T-2E, the concourse that resembles T-1 was built in 1979, and they called it
the West Terminal at the time. As SANFan mentioned, as soon as the Green build is open, they'll decide what to
do with T-1. A plan was proposed to put a central terminal on the North side and incorporate the Trolley and
Amtrak into it. But the biggest problem I have with this proposal is the gates will still be on the South side, but
connected by an underground people-mover system to the central terminal. The biggest question is how do they
plan to tunnel under the active runway?

Quoting irelayer (Reply 10):
The one thing SAN does NOT have is real SoCal Mexican food!!!! Both Rubio's and a taco shop would do VERY well there. I mean SoCal Mexican food is MADE for travel (burritos, tacos, quesadillas). If I could get a California burrito before my flight I'd be a happy man. Who cares if it smells.

Maybe a Roberto's Taco shop or two? Imagine the "natural gas" smell on a long flight after eating bean burritos? 



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3332 times:

Quoting irelayer (Reply 10):
I think the ultimate solution to this problem, if this is going to be THE airport for the region until 2050 (which it looks like it will be) is tear down T1 completely and build the "green build" on the other side as well. Just having one terminal would free up some space too. I think they could maybe even add a gate or two in the process by using the space more efficiently.

I mean while you are at it, tear down the United Cargo building, move it to the cargo ramp, and connect the commuter terminal with the rest of the airport

The problem is T1 (and over to the east past the UA Cargo Bldg and the Commuter Terminal) are all very close to the runway. As the airport gets busier, there really needs to be room for either 2 taxiways south of the runway (one going east and one going west) or at least plenty of room for planes to pass each other going in opposie directions.

There has been mention of a linear terminal to replace T1 -- primarily for WN -- as there is more room available east of the CT as the Ryan/Teledyne buildings are removed and the land cleaned up. There is about to be a long-term plan undertaken which will address the (probable) replacement of T1 and the CT and how all the "new" land available on the southeast part of the airport property will be best used.

One last thing to be remembered is that with the single runway, there is not a whole lot more expansion of gates and terminals that can occur at Lindbergh; the single runway will only support so many flights, which will only require so many gates, etc. (Seems to me the max number of gates expected is somewhere around 65-ish and with the completed Green Build, mainline gates will number 51 + the 4 CT gates.)

Believe me, the SDCRAA (and SDIA) are aware of the age and issues with T1 and will do something about it as soon as feasable. I would tend to think that the 10 new gates in T2W will come in very handy as T1 is gradually "emptied out" so something can be done to it!

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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 824 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3300 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 13):
I would tend to think that the 10 new gates in T2W will come in very handy as T1 is gradually "emptied out" so something can be done to it!

What they would probably do is demolish the T-1W rotunda after UA moves to T-2W, and begin construction on
the replacement terminal , while WN is still in T-1E, WN can move over to the completed half while demolition
and construction begins on T-2E, simply build one half at a time.



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 12):
Maybe a Roberto's Taco shop or two? Imagine the "natural gas" smell on a long flight after eating bean burritos?

El Indio would be MONEY. 


User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 824 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3155 times:
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I realize it's not authentic Mexican food (I think it's owned by Jack-in-the-Box), but Qdoba Mexican Grill
is included in the new restaurants coming to SAN.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 12):
I thought that would be a good idea if they would simply move the UA cargo building over to cargo side, that could free up more space for expansion. I agree, T-1 needs to be replaced. They can't do much more to it
to bring it up to today's standards. T-2E, the concourse that resembles T-1 was built in 1979, and they called it the West Terminal at the time. As SANFan mentioned, as soon as the Green build is open, they'll decide what to do with T-1. A plan was proposed to put a central terminal on the North side and incorporate the Trolley and Amtrak into it. But the biggest problem I have with this proposal is the gates will still be on the South side, but connected by an underground people-mover system to the central terminal. The biggest question is how do they plan to tunnel under the active runway?

It's pretty interesting to look at all the concepts they have for SAN Terminal 1. Check them out here, starting on page 13 (We can only hope for the later plans with the new runway!):
http://www.san.org/documents/amp/ado...iminaryConceptDev_V04-21-08_LR.pdf

All the info in located here: http://www.san.org/sdcraa/airport_in...tives/master_plan/master_plan.aspx

For now bringing Phil's BBQ to the airport is going to be a nice.

Tugg



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User currently offlinen92r03 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Slightly off topic but... Nothing will be as good at the Windsock Bar/Grill was. The old school folks form SAN will remember.

User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 18):
Slightly off topic but... Nothing will be as good at the Windsock Bar/Grill was. The old school folks form SAN will remember.

You are right, I do remember it and remember it fondly. Though I remember Boomers Restaurant even more fondly...     

Tugg



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2754 times:
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Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 6):
As for Phil's Barbecue opening at SAN, I'm guessing the airlines are not going to like barbecue stains all over their cabins!

That's amazing. Phil's web site says he has a large operation out in San Marcos -- where my brother lives -- yet I've never heard of him.

Anyway -- renderings of the new T-2 "Green Build" make it look like quite the Ritz.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWiUB06uEug&feature=related

[Edited 2012-03-05 15:44:42]

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5604 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 18):
Slightly off topic but nothing will be as good at the Windsock Bar/Grill was. The old school folks form SAN will remember.

This whole thread is "off-topic" so not to worry!

Quoting tugger (Reply 19):
You are right, I do remember it and remember it fondly. Though I remember Boomers Restaurant even more fondly...

Ah yes -- fond memories of both, listening to the tower and pilots while sipping a tall cool one...  

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User currently offlineSANMAN66 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 824 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2629 times:
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Quoting SANFan (Reply 21):
Ah yes -- fond memories of both, listening to the tower and pilots while sipping a tall cool one...

IIRC, it was called Booms Trenchard's before Windsock. I remember they had stuffed potato skins (delicious!)
I'll never forget the little phone receivers by the picture windows to listen in on the ATC. It had a WWII theme.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 22):
Booms Trenchard's

YES!! That's it! Don't like that I screwed that one up!    Of course I was a bit young so never "tossed back a cool one" there (that I did at Windsock's) but I always loved going there and eating and watching the planes and the activities at the airport.

Tugg



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User currently offlinen92r03 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 23):
but I always loved going there and eating and watching the planes and the activities at the airport.

Absolutely. I remember tossing back a couple and the DL L1011 would come in from Honolulu (I think?) and then leave for LAX. The sound was fantastic of her powering up for take off.


25 777ord : Glad to hear they're really making SAN a great airport. Having lived in SAN for the last year or so, and now, traveling to SAN as a UAL employee to vi
26 irelayer : Is this where one of the final scenes in Top Gun was filmed? You know the one...Mav is about to quit the Navy, and Kelly McGillis comes in and says "
27 SANMAN66 : I kind of like the "concept C" proposal too. If we could just get that second runway, it would be even better! However, If they were able to build a
28 n92r03 : Yes, if you look close in the background you can see a WN 737 coming in to land. The place was pretty cool back in the 90's. Many "locals" were there
29 chrisair : SAN will never get a second runway. Unless they move to Miramar.
30 Post contains images tugger : The "Concept F" that has a new runway is possible and I could see it happening because the MCRD will move someday. Either up to Pendelton or merged i
31 irelayer : I had originally just submitted the article link, which was a Q&A with the Airport Authority CEO, and the title got changed from "SAN Article" (a
32 SANMAN66 : Before we get back on topic, if they were to build a new runway, would they close the current rwy 27? I wonder what would be the length of the new ru
33 irelayer : They can't get parallel runways (I think it's stated in the concept text), but what they can do is make the new runway a bit longer and orient it to
34 SANMAN66 : They would have to keep the existing runway 27 for takeoffs to the east, but they could probably do simultaneous landings from the west. The new runw
35 Post contains images kgaiflyer : Oh gawd! Don't even go there. I can already see Kearney-Mesa PTA moms and nimbys making placards.
36 JAAlbert : I love, love, love Phil's BBQ, but I'm not so sure I want a heavy BBQ meal before I board a 5 hour flight someplace. I wonder also how they'll handle
37 Post contains images SANMAN66 : Yeah, the same ones where they get teary-eyed kids holding placards saying "Not near our schools!" (Puleeeeze! give me a break! ) I've never eaten at
38 Post contains images SANMAN66 : One good thing about eating a heavy barbecue meal before a long flight is you'll be able to sleep throughout the entire flight!
39 777ord : Considering the overall size of SAN they do a great job for how many flights they operate daily. IF you take into account the size of MCRD next door,
40 SANMAN66 : They would most likely use "27R" for takeoffs only, while "27L" for landings. It looks like there would still be room for a relocated cargo area on t
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