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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112  
User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 21041 times:

Welcome to the New Zealand Avition Thread # 112.
In New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 111 we discussed:

  • - Air NZ Interim Result
  • - Air NZ orders two more 789s
  • - Air NZ Sep 77W charter to EZE
  • - Air NZ HNL flights
  • - Air NZ AKL-GRU possibilites
  • - Pre-clearance suggestion for US flights
  • - 77L/77W/789/77E range/payload comparisons
  • - ZK-SJE now XA-VIT for Viva Aerobus
  • - Air NZ defers delivery of 4th and 5th 789s
  • - IATA website fuel price chart
  • - Air NZ Frequent Flyer changes eff. 30 May
  • - Extra Air NZ AKL-LAX flights due QF ceasing
  • - Medical emergency on DJ/NZ flight
  • - Air NZ Management


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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 20979 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 201):
Xiaotung, Well done for getting mentioned in the Herald.. You could become the "Erin Brockavich" of the airpoints scheme....

Unfortunately the reporters don't check the a.net forums, otherwise the bitching and moaning about Airpoints would have appeared in the media a lot earlier.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 20950 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 1):
Unfortunately the reporters don't check the a.net forums, otherwise the bitching and moaning about Airpoints would have appeared in the media a lot earlier.

fortunately this keeps my dissent out...:-P


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 20944 times:

Quoting PA515 (Thread starter):
Air NZ Frequent Flyer changes eff. 30 May

Good on Xiaotung for going to the Herald, but they only quoted from the first post of his thread. There's plenty more that could be quoted by the Herald.

I spent a couple of hours reading the FT thread of over 330 posts in four days. It was like a book I couldn't put down. All posters negative except two who had just joined and were accused of being Air NZ 'plants'. One of those referred to Frequent Flyers as "spoilt children" on a Frequent Flyer forum!

And the spin in the response e-mails from Air NZ, shameful insulting rubbish that makes it even worse. This is potentially much bigger than the 77W PE seating disaster of last year as these pax say they no longer trust Air NZ. And Rob Fyfe is away until the 20th March!

PA515

[Edited 2012-03-05 03:12:14]

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 20838 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 3):
Good on Xiaotung for going to the Herald, but they only quoted from the first post of his thread. There's plenty more that could be quoted by the Herald.

And the spin in the response e-mails from Air NZ, shameful insulting rubbish that makes it even worse. This is potentially much bigger than the 77W PE seating disaster of last year as these pax say they no longer trust Air NZ. And Rob Fyfe is away until the 20th March!

The last week has probably been the most telling one I can recall in Air New Zealand's history - and I'm well into my fourth decade of flying long-haul with the airline.

The changes to the loyalty program may now have been partially reversed (a very small part), but they spell out loud and clear what Air New Zealand's current management think of their passengers.

It is all a business, of course. Many businesses go out of their way to ensure the loyalty of their best customers. Borghetti has been doing that at Virgin Australia, and Starwood hotels have just introduced numerous extra perks for their top tier elites, from free breakfast to 10 suite upgrades per year.

Air NZ's management don't think that that is a good investment. They have realigned their loyalty program to be a retail and banking loyalty program, and have decided to strip out the benefits which they know their elite frequent flyers most appreciate in favour of seeking more ancillary revenue from infrequent flyers buying upgrades with money.

It was John Macilree on this board a couple of years ago who drew my attention to something I'd never previously noticed: under Rob Fyfe the airline was exclusively concentrating on new monopoly routes. It has become ever clearer over the last week that the airline believes that the exit of Qantas enables it to treat its best Trans-Pacific customers without any loyalty because it knows that they have nowhere else to go.

The next steps will be fascinating. It is obvious that at least half of their top tier frequent flyers will now transfer their loyalty elsewhere, but it is clear that the airline is planning to operate with limited long-haul capacity and that it views frequent flyers and their feelings of entitlement as a burden, a liability, and that they believe that they are better off without them.

My respect for John Borghetti has skyrocketed since he left Qantas for Virgin, and I find myself nodding my head in admiration at each step he takes to boost the yield-base of the airline. And of course now Virgin's profits have overtaken those of Qantas.

Messrs Fyfe, Luxon and Mackrell obviously feel that that it is foolish, and that the right horse to back is the low-cost model, and that passengers will endure anything for the cheapest fare.

They have drawn a clear line in the sand, and their elite frequent flyers now know that aren't part of that plan. And if frequent flyers didn't at first understand that they most certainly got the message when they were described as "children" and accused of "gaming the system", not to mention when they received - and continue to receive - emails telling them that black is white and that they had been too stupid to understand what the changes were.

Fascinating! My guess is that the airline's fate has actually been sealed now. The frequent flyer base was already antagonised by Seats To Suit and rampant Airpoints devaluation and now sees what was universally viewed as the last remaining worthwhile benefit of their frequent flyer accounts eliminated. Emirates, Singapore Airlines and Qantas are obvious beneficiaries westwards, but to the East it will be United who will gain when they open IAH-AKL.

I can't think of any airline which has so universally and profoundly antagonised its elite frequent flyers and then told them that they are idiots for misunderstanding. Plenty of airlines have slowly devalued their earning or inflated the burn rates, but this seems unique in modern aviation history. It has been a frontal assault on their own best customers, followed by transparently misleading propaganda to tell them that they should be grateful and not upset.

So we're about to find out whether elite frequent flyers are an asset or a burden.

[Edited 2012-03-05 05:10:28]

User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 20831 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 3):
Good on Xiaotung for going to the Herald

I don't think he did.

Someone obviously has - it wasn't me either   - but they have just been lazy and cut and pasted comments from the first post in a long thread.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 20702 times:
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Quoting koruman (Reply 4):
The frequent flyer base was already antagonised by Seats To Suit and rampant Airpoints devaluation and now sees what was universally viewed as the last remaining worthwhile benefit of their frequent flyer accounts eliminated. Emirates, Singapore Airlines and Qantas are obvious beneficiaries westwards, but to the East it will be United who will gain when they open IAH-AKL.

My mum who has only recently become interested in flying and aviation is now telling me to give up NZ and fly QF/DJ via Australia or even take EK or an Asian airline to the USA for less then what NZ charges. Lets see how my up-coming QF flight this week goes!


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1246 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 20607 times:

Personally I gave up on NZ years ago, ie when they introduced airpoints I knew where this was heading. That feels pretty good right now.

But after reading korumans post, which I agree with, I wonder if this really will hurt NZ that much. What customers will they loose from this?
people like us will to a man know this is bad and that there is little point in giving our loyalty to NZ. But we are the minority. Most NZ based customers and expat kiwis wills till think NZ is their airline.

Their Australian operation is virtually dead as it is. With more non-stops from non Sydney to the US west coast there isn't much of a competitive edge for NZ to use in Australia. They might loose what was left of that market.

What about corporate contracts. First I have never seen NZ push these especially hard. Its like they expect the kiwi based companies to choose them no matter what. And they are often right, kiwi companies tend to use NZ domestically and across the Tasman by default.
I frequent the European business association in Auckland. Continental Europeans are there. Very few there gives NZ their traffic. I don't think this will drain their corporate contracts. Kiwi companies will just go on flying NZ by default until they get gobbled up by a foreign entity.

So whats left to loose a few aware flayers that shop around for Frequent flyer programs. I think NZ are prepared to loose them. I also think that they are less than 5% of the total Gold elites, golds etc.

As Koruman said, NZ don't operate many international routes in direct competition with strong airlines. Sure you have HongKong but thats about it. The people looking to Asia already uses other airlines than NZ so what is there to loose for NZ?
To LAX etc there is no choice and NZ has a quasi monopoly on the domestic market.

But for those of you looking to get rewarded for loyalty no matter what class, no matter what status all I cans ay is shop around. There are so many better programs out there than airpoints.



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User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 287 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 20557 times:

Monarch Airlines 757-200 on its way into AKL from PPT today 6th March.
At this stage eta 1440.
Looks like a Captains Choice Tour
Flt # MON9930
Unfortuantely AKL is operating on 05R at the moment.

[Edited 2012-03-05 15:05:27]
Flight is just transitting AKL for fuel enroute to SYD.


[Edited 2012-03-05 15:10:08]

User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3005 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 20540 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 4):
It has become ever clearer over the last week that the airline believes that the exit of Qantas enables it to treat its best Trans-Pacific customers without any loyalty because it knows that they have nowhere else to go.
Quoting koruman (Reply 4):
to the East it will be United who will gain when they open IAH-AKL.

I'm hearing that AC are thinking about AKL-YVR (which would connect on AC to LHR and FRA) and/or AKL-LAX-YYZ (which would connect on AC to LHR, CDG, FRA, CPH, MAD, MUC). If AC decided to get really aggressive, they could reciprocate what Airpoints does and not allow Aeroplan points to be accumulated on NZ flights, which would probably see them pick up a substantial part of the higher-yield FF market. AC's product is significantly better than UA's, and Aeroplan is better than MileagePlus.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25279 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 20520 times:
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Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 7):
people like us will to a man know this is bad and that there is little point in giving our loyalty to NZ. But we are the minority. Most NZ based customers and expat kiwis wills till think NZ is their airline.

Whoa! I live in NZ and I surely don't think of Air New Zealand as "my" airline. I don't think of any airline as "my" airline.

I will continue to investigate Air NZ when I want to travel as I will investigate the competitors, and I will go with the airline that gives me the best deal - which isn't necessarily about the fare.

I'm going to Perth in June and based on what I am presently being offered, Air NZ may well win.

mariner



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 20509 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 4):
Air NZ's management don't think that that is a good investment. They have realigned their loyalty program to be a retail and banking loyalty program, and have decided to strip out the benefits which they know their elite frequent flyers most appreciate in favour of seeking more ancillary revenue from infrequent flyers buying upgrades with money.
Quoting koruman (Reply 4):
It is obvious that at least half of their top tier frequent flyers will now transfer their loyalty elsewhere, but it is clear that the airline is planning to operate with limited long-haul capacity and that it views frequent flyers and their feelings of entitlement as a burden, a liability, and that they believe that they are better off without them.
Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 7):
I wonder if this really will hurt NZ that much. What customers will they loose from this?
people like us will to a man know this is bad and that there is little point in giving our loyalty to NZ. But we are the minority. Most NZ based customers and expat kiwis wills till think NZ is their airline.

Their Australian operation is virtually dead as it is. With more non-stops from non Sydney to the US west coast there isn't much of a competitive edge for NZ to use in Australia. They might loose what was left of that market.

I'm not sure that the Australian long-haul operation was actually already dead, but it sure as hell is now.

Air NZ's niche from Australia has been Brisbane and Melbourne, and most of their passengers, like myself, have a degree of control over their bookings. I usually find that around 4 or so other passengers (outside my booking) in Business Class on each NZ136 BNE-AKL continue on to my AKL-LAX or AKL-SFO flight. I'm assuming that that market will now no longer continue to fly Air NZ, and that NZ5/6 (LAX) and NZ7/8 (SFO) are now going to become marginal propositions. Only the exit of Qantas from AKL-LAX may give Air NZ a reprieve.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 7):
So whats left to loose a few aware flayers that shop around for Frequent flyer programs. I think NZ are prepared to loose them. I also think that they are less than 5% of the total Gold elites, golds etc.

I agree with you that what Air NZ is going to lose is the motivated, savvy frequent flyers. And that they think that they are not a good investment.

I'm just not sure whether or not I agree with the airline that those passengers are not worth retaining. It is basically Mariner's position, isn't it, that frequent flyers are essentially worthless and a liability rather than an asset. But it is not the prevailing view in global aviation, and Virgin Australia's newfound profitability is on the back of an enhanced frequent flyer program, Status Matching elites from other carriers and adding Business Class to narrowbody aircraft which previously operated under a Seats To Suit-style model.

The anger and hurt aroused by all this is essentially silly: it is a business proposition for airline and consumers alike, and each side is free to take their product or custom where they like. It is just awful for NZ-based passengers who have no real choice either domestically or across the Pacific, and who are effectively held captive to Air NZ. The Australian market will now evaporate overnight: every NZ elite I know in Australia already considered the airline to be on its last chance, and we are spoilt for choice with alternative carriers.

My view is that Air New Zealand will also be damaged in New Zealand, and that they will now lose even more market share to Europe and Asia, but North America will hold on artificially until a new entrant (United) enters the market. "Earn To Fly" has massively expanded the base of Airpoints membership in New Zealand, but they are now going to discover that there is nothing worthwhile to spend those Airpoints on, and that will inevitably lead to a drift away. We have already seen that with the OneSmart Mastercard - lots of people activated it for the raffle, but I've yet to meet anyone who then continued to use it, because the fees were not worthwhile.

Even if Australian feed and departing Gold Elites only account for let's say 5 passengers in Business Class per flight, I think that that will compromise revenue and yields on all flights to the USA and Canada..

I'd now be surprised to see an independent Air New Zealand in 2016: I suspect that Virgin Australia or Qantas will take full control by then, and that the airline will be reduced to operating short-haul A320s and 787-9s for inbound Chinese visitors and a single daily LAX service. I cannot imagine that they will be able to fill 77Ws.

Several weeks ago I named my management team to run the airline. Unfortunately I failed to identify who was actually going to take over:

CEO: JIM HICKEY. Popular bloke. Flat tummy, looks decent with his kit off and he's good company. Not sure that he knows anything about aviation. He could delegate to his management team, but they are all either just out of Uni or accountants who've never worked in an airline, so this might not go too well.

(If any of you watched the 2009 remake of Reggie Perrin, his two adolescent advertising sidekicks now appear to have free rein to "innovate" in ever more unorthodox ways. A bit like Air NZ's current management unit.)

Head of PR: JOSEPH GOEBBELS - with the innovative new task of spinning propaganda to his victims, rather than his accomplices. "With this new enhancement to the product, you only pay for what you want. So we charge you more than we used to last year when it was all-inclusive, and then you pay us even more money to have luggage, IFE, food, drink or Airpoints. We call it Seats To Suit Us".

Head of Loyalty: SIR ROGER DOUGLAS. "What do you mean you expect your loyalty to get you free flights or upgrades? It's User Pays! So you want to upgrade your $5000 Premium Economy ticket to Business Premier, which retails for $8000? OK, you need to put in an auction bid for at least $3000 roundtrip, with your credit card details, plus pay the taxes which were included in the $8000 fare if you'd bought it in the first place. And you're lucky I'm letting you do that."

Head of Route Planning: Simpilicity / REALDEAL. "Forget using the 789s to North America. Let's put 700 seats on them and fly them to Invercargill" (Well, it's now looking like 340 seats from China for the 789s instead of 260 seats to North America).

[Edited 2012-03-05 15:41:42]

[Edited 2012-03-05 15:45:09]

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25279 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 20470 times:
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Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
It is basically Mariner's position, isn't it, that frequent flyers are essentially worthless and a liability rather than an asset.

When did I say that?

mariner



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7193 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 20435 times:

Quoting planenutz (Thread starter):
If you choose Air New Zealand Airpoints, you will still have to pay the joining fee.
Your miles will not transfer. Only your status.

hahahaha I read this on the Status match for Spanair frequent flyers thread. Like anyone is going to be stupid enough to join airpoints for a fee, lose their current mileage when there are better free memberships out there.

If any carrier did a status match for NZ right now, they would really be in business...


***Edited to add that G-MONJ is the registration of the Monarch 752 due soon at AKL.***

[Edited 2012-03-05 17:23:55]

User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 20346 times:

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 9):
AC's product is significantly better than UA's, and Aeroplan is better than MileagePlus.

Would be nice to see AC here. It's been ten years since I flew with them, and I remember thinking back then that their product was not quite on a par with NZ's. What sort of comparison would you make now?


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 20334 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 12):
When did I say that?

I think a couple of threads ago I recall you arguing cogently that airlines had made a rod for their own back by giving away far too much for loyalty, to the point that it was bad for business.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25279 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 20311 times:
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Quoting koruman (Reply 15):
I think a couple of threads ago I recall you arguing cogently that airlines had made a rod for their own back by giving away far too much for loyalty, to the point that it was bad for business.

I certainly said airlines had made a rod for their own backs - as we see in this thread. The torrent of upgrades to first class in the US were one of the major contributing factors to the decline of standards in first class in the US and there is probably more whinging about the lack of availability of award seats than any other single issue.

I don't use FF programs much - I only collect miles (points, whatever) because they're there and I've just given away more than a quarter of a million miles on US carriers to charity. I am probably going to book Air NZ in a day or two (where I have few miles) instead of Virgin Australia (where I have quite a lot).

But none of that means that means that having created the monster those frequent fliers should be disregarded, or that those fliers are "worthless."

Within reason, I think some form of loyalty program might be a valid idea but they became candy boxes in the good times and withdrawal from any addiction is always painful.

mariner



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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3005 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 20254 times:

Quoting gasman (Reply 14):
Would be nice to see AC here. It's been ten years since I flew with them, and I remember thinking back then that their product was not quite on a par with NZ's. What sort of comparison would you make now?

Still not quite on a par, although drastically better than 10 years ago. The international hard product is very close (although no PE), but few airlines match NZ's onboard service throughout the plane. However, most J pax would find little difference. It's way better than UA - AC consistently wins "best North American" awards. The domestic/North American product is superior to NZ's (e.g. touchscreen seatback AVOD on all aircraft, front-of-cabin and extra-pitch seating reserved for FF status pax, status pax offered first choice of meals, etc.). AC's frequent flyer program is probably the best in the business - it's been spun off to a separate company, and actually generates profit. Banks, hotels, car rental companies compete to be partners, but it's still effectively based on and rewards loyalty. I have no problem using AC Aeroplan points for rewards/upgrades on other * carriers - except NZ, which makes it impossible.



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 19847 times:

How far off are we going to get a deadline on this?

A blow for CHC if it happens! maybe NZ will jump in and fill the route?


''AirAsia X set to cancel NZ operations''

Large numbers of New Zealand tourists will have their holiday plans affected if AirAsia X pulls out of the Christchurch to Kuala Lumpur route, a leading travel agent says.

Industry sources say the Malaysian budget airline has approached Air New Zealand about the availability of special fares to cater for passengers who will have their travel plans disrupted by their flights being cancelled.

The fares needed to be available in the next few weeks, sources said.

http://tvnz.co.nz/travel-news/airasi...x-set-cancel-nz-operations-4764129



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4990 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 19796 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 18):
'AirAsia X set to cancel NZ operations''

I wonder how much their cancellation of KUL to Europe services is contributing to their woes out of CHC. It was a pretty attractive fare for the backpacker market segment.


User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1761 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 19764 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 18):
''AirAsia X set to cancel NZ operations''

I don't really have faith in this airline, IMO it is better they pull out.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 19725 times:

A good turn up but very silly!!

Customs staff in Auckland have intercepted 2kg of cocaine worth over $1.5 million, bound for Australia.


Two Australian nationals aged 27 year and 49, a Brazilian national resident in Australia aged 26 and a 23-year-old Brazilian have been arrested.
The cocaine was on its way from South America, passing through New Zealand on its way to Australia.



http://www.3news.co.nz/Auckland-cust.../423/articleID/245530/Default.aspx



NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 19674 times:
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Wellington is getting a 'plane spotters' cafe beside the RNZAF terminal - http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post.../Cafe-planned-near-airports-runway

User currently offlineTravellerPlus From New Zealand, joined Nov 2008, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19385 times:

I notice that from April 1st, JQ will be making some significant adjustments to their NZ domestic schedule. They will be reducing the turn around time by 5 minutes at various times in the day. It means that their fleet will get an extra return flight each day. On some days they will be up to 3 times daily between AKL and ZQN and the AKL-DUD service will still operate daily, but some days it will be an evening service and other days it will be a morning one.

I'm personally annoyed as they've moved forward my usual Monday morning WLG-AKL and pushed back the time of my usual Friday AKL-WLG. Hmmm... more time in the office, what fun!

Also, I flew back from SYD on Sunday in a QF 737-800 with the Boeing new sky interior. It does offer an improvement, particularly with the mood lighting and the overhead bins. The windows seemed bigger, and thus the cabin seemed lighter, with the new window panel architecture.

The flight was packed so stowing all the cabin baggage is always be a challenge in such circumstances. Still, I find it so rude when a passenger sitting towards the back of the plane deliberately puts their hand luggage in a forward overhead locker before they continue back to their seat.



What goes around comes around....unless your luggage is not on the carousel...
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19353 times:
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Quoting TravellerPlus (Reply 23):
QF 737-800 with the Boeing new sky interior.

What rego does the aircraft have?


25 aerorobnz : There have been a number of newer VH-VZ* regos operating lately. VZS/VZR have both been used
26 TravellerPlus : The rego was VH-VZT: Kalgoorlie. There is an article on its delivery flight from Seattle in this month's Australian Aviation. It was an Australian cr
27 Post contains images kiwiandrew : In other words, they will have even less ability to recover from any abnormal operations than they currently do.
28 777ER : Two questions, anyone able to tell me what aircraft operated NZ135 AKL-BNE (B77W) on Monday morning? Any QF people able to tell me what aircraft is op
29 cchan : I checked this flight sometime ago when my parents went on it, the aircraft goes QF117 SYD-WLG then QF118 WLG-SYD then QF47 SYD-WLG then QF38 WLG-MEL
30 eaglefarm4 : 05-Mar-12 09:40 ANZ C81E22 ZK-OKQ B77W ANZ135 Auckland Brisbane
31 byronicle6 : It was ZK-OKQ operating NZ135 on Monday 5th March
32 viasa : Any news about ZK-OJK?
33 aerokiwi : True, but an 1h05 for AKL-WLG is just schedule padding, especially when the flight itself is all of 45 minutes (or, on WLG-AKL the other day, a rippe
34 TravellerPlus : Given my experience of flying them every week, and as the Kiwis are giving the JQ network its best on time performance, I'd say the move makes good b
35 A330NZ : A source from Canterbury Tourism has informed my father, who informed me, that D7's decision about the CHC flights will likely be made tonight
36 Post contains links and images zkojq : Does anyone know the registration of the Pacific Blue 737 that was involved in the incident which has been in the news lately? Many New Zealand based
37 alangirvan : From Air Asia's Facebook page the official announcement. AirAsia X, the long-haul, low fare affiliate of AirAsia, today announced the suspension of it
38 NZ1 : OJK is not routing straight to AKL. It will be stopping off in SIN for a wee while first. NZ1
39 NZ107 : I wonder if the D7 pullout could attract JQ into SIN-CHC.. If D7 could attract 80% load factors on an A333, JQ could effectively fill up their A332. B
40 koruman : I hope that the powers-that-be at Air NZ have learned the lesson here: the only airline using a long-haul a la carte unbundled product in New Zealand
41 aerokiwi : To be fair, they chose a risky market in CHC that was thwacked by an entirely unpredictable natural disaster. They should've gone for AKL in the firs
42 MillwallSean : No they wont go to Christchurch. Not now, Christchurch as a destination for Asians isnt attractive enough after the quakes. JQ is struggling as it is
43 byronicle6 : Disappointed to hear the AAX announcement on KUL-CHC, but it was very much expected. Hoping they will consider AKL, HLZ or WLG
44 PA515 : Unfortunately the data.flight.24 info for positioning flights is unreliable as it can assume the previous origin and destination of the flight number
45 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''Chch Airport confident it will replace AirAsia X'' Christchurch International Airport is confident another airline will fill the gap left by budget
46 Mr AirNZ : Official internal announcement yesterday confirming what most already expected. New Atr 72-600s will be operated by Mount Cook alongside the existing
47 777ER : ZK-PBF (Poly Blue) is now painted in the Virgin Australia livery. What other PacBlue aircraft are in the new livery? Thought my QF experience was very
48 NZ107 : When is the first due again?
49 ZKOJH : Think the 1st ATR 72-600 is due in November of this year, and be based up at AKL?
50 NZ1 : ZK-PBJ has also just been painted in the new livery but is currently undergoing maintenance in CHC. Not due out till early next month. NZ1
51 Post contains images kiwiandrew : For a second there I got all excited when I read "just been painted in the new livery" , then I realised that we are not talking about an NZ aircraft
52 Post contains images legalkiwi : Like this a lot
53 PA515 : ZK-OJK / PR-MBJ as TAM9394 has avoided Africa. It departed Malta and about an hour ago was north of Riyadh at 39,000ft heading 090 towards Bahrain wh
54 aerorobnz : They missed a beat there to streamline IMO. The subsidiaries should be merged into one - it is just redundant excess to have 3 for such small fleets.
55 SXI899 : Was flying Malta-Abu Dhabi. As far as I can tell the routing to this point is GRU-SID-MLA-AUH. Between AUH and SIN, the aircraft will probably stop i
56 PA515 : Thanks Yorden. I picked it up later between BAH and AUH and there was flightradar24 coverage in the BAH area then. Coverage in some places is intermi
57 nascarnut : The 12th ATR is due into service approx 21st Oct while the 13th ATR is due into service approx 16th December
58 Post contains links TravellerPlus : Here is a link to a great advert from CX featuring men in black rugby jerseys and petite, perfectly groomed CX air hostesses. Enjoy.... http://www.you
59 Post contains links ZKOJH : Sooner or later it was going to happen! when oil is still around US$ 126.010 ''Air NZ lifts prices as fuel cost rises'' Air New Zealand is increasing
60 Post contains images NZ107 : Great ad! I'd take the Business Class boarding pass to hand a ball over Maybe the Hong Kong team would have a chance if they did that against some te
61 777ER : Well its a different colour scheme for New Zealand skys. After seeing it in person at WLG and MEL earlier this week I think it does look nice even th
62 Unclekoru : I see an NZ 763 will be operating SYD-WLG-SYD on 22 Mar. Anyone know what this is about?[Edited 2012-03-15 12:25:34]
63 Post contains links ZKOJH : I picked this up last night on my I-Phone and had to share; ''Air New Zealand Chief Sees Risk of Boeing Delivery Delays'' Air New Zealand Ltd. (AIR),
64 aerorobnz : Only about 5 years too late to be any good for the company...
65 alangirvan : If you read Airways magazine you may have seen on their back cover they are promoting a cruise around the Caribbean, including a visit to St Maarten w
66 nascarnut : For those of you going to the Ohakea 75th anniversary Airshow, keep an eye out for Air NZ Black 77W. It will be operating AKL-Ohakea-AKL on the day. I
67 Post contains links gytr31 : Mount Cook has cancelled all services today, From Radio New Zealand: Air New Zealand has cancelled all flights by its fleet of 68-seater ATR planes af
68 Post contains links NZ1 : Here is a link to the article on Stuff re the ATR groundings: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6594...2/Air-NZ-discovers-cracks-in-plane 2 aircraft are
69 777ER : Presume its the 3pm-ish departure from WLG? SWEET! Any ideas on times yet?
70 Post contains links aerorobnz : Just sent from a friend I work with, http://www.aero.de/news/United-Conti...haelt-erste-B787-im-September.html Basically looking good for those of you
71 sunrisevalley : Have UA published expected flight times? I am estimating at something like 14h 15m westbound with an ESAD of close to 6900nm. Would like some confirm
72 NZ107 : Any update on progress?
73 NZ107 : Can anyone tell me what happened to NZ510? I was tracking it on flight radar and before approach to AKL it was in a holding pattern before flying over
74 Unclekoru : Yes, the aircraft operates AKL-SYD-WLG-SYD-AKL (NZ102/105 have gone to the A320). Not sure if it had anything to do with it, but there appeared to be
75 NZ107 : Interesting.. Because as soon as it climbed over the airport, a JQ A320 landed. Surely maximum crosswinds can't be too much different between an A320
76 Post contains links texan : As a reminder to those who plan on flying into Ohakea for the event, please refer to the info contained in AIP Supplement 47/12 and read the key poin
77 Unclekoru : Perhaps it was just a gust, happens sometimes, you get in but someone else doesn't There only needs to be a knot's difference when it's near the limi
78 Post contains images NZ107 : And what if you're scheduled to go south on an AT7?
79 aerokiwi : Or, as the media call it... the "ATR 500". Sigh. Speaking of cracks - didn't NZ have an issue with the 737-200s back in the mid-late 90s? Was it some
80 NZ107 : Hahaha I heard that too, couldn't stop laughing.
81 aerorobnz : Not to my knowledge.
82 777ER : Havn't booked any USA flights yet for late this year but will seriously considering UA for at least a oneway trip. Why the change of aircraft? SYD-AK
83 ZKOJH : More increase from ANZ to - - - wait for it - PVG!! As per 19MAR12 GDS timetable and inventory display, Air New Zealand in Northern Winter 2012/13 sea
84 Unclekoru : Sorry but I'm not sure of the reason behind the change. There are 3 x WLG-SYD returns on Sunday too. An unexpected upgrade??
85 Post contains images zkojq : Interesting. Thanks for the info. Sorry, I must have misinterpreted your comment. TV3 had a picture of several HS 748 behind the presenters as they w
86 ZKOKQ : Hi there. First post on the forum! And as an ex-pat kiwi now living in Australia I wanted to post here first. The main reason I joined, was to voice m
87 777ER : departing/arriving times? All A320s? ZK-OKQ - Welcome to a.net
88 aerorobnz : VH-OEE operating to AKL tomorrow am as QF8 DFW-AKL-BNE-SYD
89 NZ107 : Thanks. Damn, looks like I'll be pushing back as it arrives if it sticks to that schedule..
90 sunrisevalley : Where would they operate the additional 77W's? They are not that attractive on ORD-AKL where all they could uplift is about 37t which is a 85% passen
91 Kaiarahi : Anyone know why there is zero seat availability AKL-NPE for the entire month of April? Edited. Looks like it's a Canada site problem - seats are showi
92 aerorobnz : My understanding is that the 77W is substantially more efficient than the 77E and that It would burn comparable fuel operating a 26/36/242=304 passen
93 aerokiwi : Speaking of which, if you're wanting to cut costs, wouldn't you want to give up your premium real estate in the CBD/waterfront, and shift HQ out to m
94 kiwiandrew : I believe that this was looked into ( from my understanding the Auckland Airport company tried very hard to persuade them to move) however, I believe
95 sunrisevalley : Rob, just playing around with what you have said based on the load/range tables. On a 6000nm sector a 77E with a payload of ~45t which puts it at abo
96 aerokiwi : Why would you have to pay for transportation costs for employees? Companies move headquarters - deal with it. Sub-lease the property if you need to.
97 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''Singapore Airlines to change to B777-200ER aircraft on Singapore-Auckland SQ281/282 route'' Singapore Airlines will be changing from the current B77
98 cchan : I wonder which of these will stay longer in the NZ fleet. At the moment it looks like the 744s will be retired first, but NZ doesn't seem to be in a
99 ZK-NBT : The 744s will go first, the sooner the better but they have decided to keep them rather than lease other aircraft. The 763 is still pretty efficient.
100 haggis73 : From an email I received at work on Friday morning, "Aerolineas Argentinas have advised that they are withdrawing their services at the end of Jun wit
101 777ER : Interesting that AR are removing their AKL services. Wasn't there a big demand for AR flights?
102 nascarnut : Appears AR will operate as follows effective 1st July EZE-AKL-SYD-EZE AR1182 EZE ETD 0830 AKL ETA 1310+1 days 135 AR1182 AKL ETD 1440 SYD ETA 1630 da
103 kiwiandrew : Air NZ ... opportunity is knocking at your door.... loudly ... please open it.
104 RAGAZZO777 : I agree with you. Time for ANZ to launch AKL-EZE-GRU !
105 kiwiandrew : Sadly, I don't see it happening, current management at NZ are strongly opposed to one-stop services. It is also questionable whether they could get s
106 aerorobnz : This has been rumoured for at least 5 years within certain circles, finally happening.. TBH it makes a lot of sense. Most passengers and cargo travels
107 DavidByrne : Interesting that this comes just a few months before NZ's first charter flight to Argentina with the "All Black" 77W. Given the antipathy toward one-s
108 kiwiandrew : In the longer term, after JJ withdraws from *A Avianca Brasil will join ( although currently they are not part of the AV/TA accession). While they op
109 ZKOJH : Now finally up and running, ANA / Air New Zealand Launches Codeshare Service Air New Zealand and ANA starting begins codeshare operation from 25MAR12,
110 DavidByrne : I guess there's nothing to stop NZ code-sharing with Varig-Gol, though, assuming they're not in a competing alliance (and even then, they've code-sha
111 kiwiandrew : Bother! just realised that I missed out the word 'probably' i.e. what I meant to type was In the longer term, after JJ withdraws from *A Avianca Bras
112 NZ2 : You need to know a little about employment contracts. You cant employ people to work at a certain location and then shift that location "significantl
113 ZK-NBT : Notice it becomes a daylight flight EZE-AKL. I always thought AR actually carried a reasonable amount of PAX Freight ex AKL.
114 NZ2 : Hmmmm, interesting, 10 of us just booked flights AKL EZE in Sept for the AB game, hope they dont force us to go via SYD, we booked AR due to the dire
115 PA515 : A similar concept could be applied by Air NZ AKL-GRU-EZE-AKL or AKL-GIG-EZE-AKL. The 'Great Circle Mapper' has AKL-GRU-EZE at 13,767 kms, AKL-SYD-EZE
116 IndianicWorld : Given AR's current issues, I could see AKL being cut completely at some point, or both SYD and AKL gone from their network. The loss of direct QF comp
117 koruman : I hope you don't mind me making a cameo reappearance from the Australian thread, my depressing new home! We've been discussing South America at lengt
118 aerokiwi : Happens all the time with corporates. If that's all that's stopping the idea, then it just confirms that NZ is not serious about cost cutting. Everyt
119 koruman : Aerokiwi, that's a little uncharitable. It's quite unnecessary to personalise it like that but it's also plain wrong in this case. I do go to PPT when
120 mariner : Oh, come on, Koruman, that's a very simplistic representation of the counter argument. I'm fully aware of Brazil's economic prominence - being really
121 aerokiwi : I disagree. As Mariner summarises, you waded into the discussion when your own personal needs weren't satisfied. Which is fine but equally, you shoul
122 koruman : I am not trying to recreate the other thread's discussion here. I was specifically responding to the suggestion on this thread that Air NZ has a Bueno
123 sunrisevalley : I assume when you refer to ETOPS in these contexts, you are alluding to the Australian EDTO rules. The NZL ones are very clear and NZ will be at 330-
124 aerorobnz : Exactly. My first 3 trips to Latin/South America I visited Argentina/Brazil/Peru then Argentina, Chile, Cuba and third Venezuela,Brazil,Colombia. I f
125 Post contains links mariner : Ultimately, all our posts are self-serving - what we want to see happen. If we've discussing any aspect of Latin America, then I'll plump for Mexico
126 Post contains images kiwiandrew : Why does this remind me on an old joke with the punchline "I said 'thank god that cows don't fly' " ? I guess a big difference is that AKL-LAX-MEX ,
127 aerorobnz : bang on the money. LA is a very profitable, and ruthless airline. They know good profits when they see them and they have built the route over 11 yea
128 Post contains images mariner : I am not really advocating AKL-MEX - much as I would love to see it - just as I am not, at this stage, advocating AKL-GIG/GRU. Although if NZ had fif
129 kiwiandrew : That was my rationale behind AKL-LIM, even though it is not ideally placed geographically it would give NZ access to the whole continent via a partne
130 RAGAZZO777 : Half of South America's 10 major cities are unserved from SCL ?!! South America's 10 major cities are (in decreasing order): São Paulo, Buenos Aires
131 Post contains links zkojq : Looks like Air New Zealand will be flying to LAS on 17th June for another grabaseat event: http://bit.ly/H6I62j Koruman's idea may not be perfect but
132 PA515 : Doesn't appear to be a nonstop flight ths time. "230 seats" and "direct to Vegas", sounds like a 763 via HNL? Edit: It's 288 seats with a minimum of
133 MillwallSean : I haven't looked at a flight to South America from AKL and don't know if I see potential market. There is potential from Australia in my humble view b
134 Post contains images zkeoj : It's only 428 off Cheers micha
135 BlackLabel : Indeed. All of my employment agreements have reserved the right of the employer to shift the work location within the same metropolitan area (or betw
136 IndianicWorld : Exactly. With JJ also looking likely to enter OW, via the merger with LA, this will open up even more options for QF, wheras NZ will lose some opprtu
137 aerorobnz : Unconfirmed, but it appears on the ground that AR is likely to pull AKL flights altogether - losing 2.2m system wide a day as a company is catching up
138 DavidByrne : I'm not sure that number is properly sourced, or whether it is a journalistic stab in the dark by the newspaper that published it. IIRC, the number w
139 NZ107 : Which then would seem to cut out a lot of the J availability from NZ across the Tasman. Yet those trans Tasman sectors are flown at usual 'down' time
140 eta unknown : Re the above aircraft utilisation... from what I've heard the longhaul review isn't officially over- there may be some further changes (including LHR)
141 mariner : Sure, but I'm not yet completely convinced that Air NZ needs a South American strategy at this stage of the game. I'm ready to be convinced, but anyw
142 aerorobnz : precisely. there are likely still frequency reductions to be done on NZ2/NZ39 + a few others. There is also still room for a 3 flights a week operati
143 gasman : What's the deal here, with yet another charter?? They think LAS might be a viable route but don't want to commit to it just yet?? Any why only the "p
144 ZK-NBT : Currently loaded as longhaul 777/744 routes. AKL-LAX-LHR daily 77W AKL-LAX daily 6x 77W 1 x 772 AKL-SFO daily 4x 744 3x 772 AKL-YVR 5x weekly 772 AKL
145 Post contains images zkeoj : Just my own view on this (i.e. personal interest): AR was never a consideration for me to go AKL-EZE-FRA/LHR. NZ going AKL-EZE and LH to FRA certainl
146 Zkpilot : The difference might come from a few factors. 1) AR has a lousy reputation both in terms of reliability and in terms of product and service. 2) AR is
147 sunrisevalley : or $US139.40 /b ex refinery for Jet fuel....
148 aklrno : When I first read that I couldn't figure out what gasman had against Henderson. There is a very nice hotel there at Green Valley Ranch. Then I realiz
149 Post contains images gasman : Nope, Henderson, Auckland. Think "Nascar" meets "Deliverance". Well it'd be interesting to know what NZ are actually paying to use the Tropicana. If
150 sunrisevalley : GRU-AKL is tough it would probably range from between about 6900 to 7300nm ESAD according to two different flight plans that I have seen. EDTO 330 is
151 Post contains links and images timb777 : Some of you may be interested in this pic of NZ seats. There looks to be alot going on under the BP seats!
152 Post contains links NZ1 : NZ is pulling out of Beijing in favour of upping Shanghai services. Link below: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/worl...Z-pulls-Beijing-route-ups-Shang
153 motorhussy : Just a thought, and not sure this is the right thread for it, but pretty sure there will be some infomred opinions here. Since NZ stopped the weekly f
154 Mr AirNZ : Virgin have a finite number of A330's with these frame already dedicated to high yield Aussie routes and maybe in the future, a number of Asian route
155 Post contains links 777ER : Fiji's military regime has seized control of FJ. http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/worl...tary-seizes-control-of-Air-Pacific What implications could thi
156 sunrisevalley : It probably depends on how important these are to NZ. Probably they have written down the value of their equity to little or nothing. How dependent i
157 777ER : FJs B737 fleet MX gets done in CHC. I believe QF loan FJ a B763 when QF does an FJ B763 MX. How does FJ cover a B744 MX period? Could FJ now send the
158 legacyins : Out of curiosity, who was this flight targeted for? Two flights a week is not geared toward the business market . My guess is that they were looking
159 Post contains images agent99nzboi : Hey guys, just some photos of the ATRs under maintenance from the grounding if anyone is interested. They will be replacing the effected frames, howev
160 NZ107 : Which they have since disposed of in favour for another 738. They wetleased 744s off UA last time their 744s went for heavy maintenance.
161 ZKSUJ : I was told they used NZ 744s a few times to pick up the slack. Though I'm not sure how they would do it now with 2 frames left
162 cchan : The Fijian government ceases control of the airline doesn't mean foreign investments will be written off. But considering that those morons will prob
163 zkojq : That is very interesting, thanks for sharing. I assume all those seats are from ZK-NBT and ZK-NBU? Very nice photos, that Mount Cook Airlines hangar
164 sunrisevalley : You mean frames that the windscreens are mounted into ?
165 ZKOJH : R.E. PEK chop. its funny that a few weeks ago FYFE says that they would not withdraw from any market and now we have this ha-ha, its taken 4 years to
166 nz747 : I am told that the Fiji Government has had pretty much had full control over Air Pacific since 2010 when they replaced the previous CEO with their ne
167 kiwiandrew : I could be mistaken, but I believe the current Air Services Agreement permits a maximum of 7 weekly flights from each side. CZ already operate a dail
168 legacyins : Funny, I saw the same ad. Sometimes I get bored in traffic and play the survey games. As for CA, I could see them starting the route, possible A332,
169 motorhussy : Can anyone confirm FJ's ownership shareholding? I know the Fiji Govt. has a 51% shareholding but QF are reported to have 46.3% and NZ 3% which doesn't
170 Post contains links mariner : According to this, Air NZ has 1.94%: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ass-control-of-air-pacific-370029/ "According to Flightglobal, the Fiji g
171 motorhussy : Thanks for this, it is as I expected, but someone at NZ is saying the airline has 3%.
172 Post contains links motorhussy : Ironic to see that this Flightglobal article, on the 787-9's horizontal stabiliser production, is illustrated with an artist's impression of an FJ 789
173 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''Air NZ experiences slight passenger dip'' !! Natural disasters and the strong NZ dollar continues to weigh down Air New Zealand, with the carrier ex
174 cchan : Most passengers probably wouldn't know the NZ 77Ws are 10 across until they first step on the plane, but frequent flyer mileage accumulation rates an
175 agent99nzboi : Correct. Not the Whole Aircraft. Sorry, I can see how it can be interpreted that way now.
176 Aeroflop : Lets be honest, majority of the Air NZ frequent flyers have their tickets paid by their company. So lets say a "businessman" flies AKL to WLG 3 times
177 ZKSUJ : The dip could be partially the fact ahat the 77W is smaller than the 744, hence passenger numbers that could be carried will drop anyway by default..
178 motorhussy : Given that QF have pulled out of the market and the American economy continues it's plight in the doldrums, I don't think it's due to NZ doing anythi
179 BlackLabel : You might be quite surprised. Many frequent business travelers have a lot of discretion in which airline they fly. I certainly do - both directly (I
180 KiwiRob : I can fly whoever I want to fly, so long as I can get to where I want to go without breaking the bank, the only thing I can't do is fly business clas
181 NZ107 : Next year? As far as I knew, it was still on schedule for late this year.
182 Post contains links cchan : I think for most organisations, the only requirement for booking an air ticket is to book it through the appointed travel agent. As long as the ticke
183 aeroflop : Ok fair enough. My mother used to cross the ditch twice a week and I guess the company she worked for had an agreement with Air New Zealand because s
184 aerorobnz : quite correct. Until such time as more slots are negotiated between NZ-China Govts. NZ as a carrier will know full well that is not a can of worms th
185 NZ107 : They've always got the A380 (or even 772, A333) up their sleeves if an increase in capacity is required for the meantime. I suppose an op-up could be
186 xiaotung : Not to mention sometimes the decision makers are often the ones who fly and collect miles as well. You are quite right.
187 KiwiRob : I collect air miles but they are mostly a waste of time, the only real benefit to me is the lounge access, more important to me are hotel points, I'v
188 aerorobnz : Yep, exactly. When I come back from Europe I will be star Gold again, and I don't care if I never make use the points, just as long as I can access S
189 777ER : ZK-OKQ operated the Ohakea flight today. According to Dave Morgan while being interviewed the callsign was All Black 1
190 Post contains links and images kiwiandrew : Any seen the latest "grab a seat" add.... clue... it is specially timed for today http://promos.airnz.co.nz/gas/straightup/ I love the 'fine print' :
191 NZ2 : I mentioned a week or two back that a bunch of us had booked AR to Buenos Aires for the rugby test in September. With the subsequent AKL omission the
192 alangirvan : And in the same vein, Air New Zealand is just about to announce that the new CEO will be Michael O'Leary.
193 xiaotung : My goodness. The Ryanair guy and Irish. NZ is becoming a LCC officially I guess? Can NZ not copy QF for once? Wait. I just got what you meant. A bit
194 alangirvan : Some discussion in other threads about Cathay considering switching to Star Alliance. Would this mean a lot to AirNZ if Cathay becomes a fellow member
195 aerorobnz : If this was the case, straight away NZ39 HKG-LHR would cease and the HKG market consolidated. It would improve the loads if NZ went to Sth Am, using
196 ZKOJH : AKL Airport seems to be loosing routes quite quickly theses day's so far we Lost AR, NZ to PEK , BI, and yet were only going to Pick up UA later this
197 NZ107 : Well CI and CZ have only recently commenced operations here. EK is going 2x daily A380 in a few months. Unfortunately there aren't tonnes of options
198 IndianicWorld : Those are soe good wins. Very true. Unfortunately NZ's geographical position, which is the same in many ways to Australia, is actually a disadvantage
199 kiwiandrew : I'm not so sure about that. Their long term plan is to replace the A340s with 787s. The NZ CAA will allow ( subject to meeting EDTO criteria ) the us
200 RAGAZZO777 : Why would LAN drop AKL when it's going to become the only airline flying between South America and New Zealand (at least for the time being) ?
201 aerorobnz : Also considering LA and QF hate each others guts (especially given they are alliance partners). LA have still not forgiven QF for starting direct SYD
202 kiwiandrew : I am curious... when have LA been particularly unreliable? they have slowly and steadily built up the SCL-AKL-SYD route from 3 x weekly to daily serv
203 IndianicWorld : Not saying it will happen per say, but it could well be a possibility. It all depends how big of a market that LAN see NZ as. It may look at other op
204 ZK-NBT : Delays! Just not as regular as AR. But often 12 hour delays due maintenance with the AKL-SYD sector XXLD. While they probably have more SYD traffic t
205 Post contains images HLZCPH : Yes, we made the trip down and visited the airshow. Big queue for the interior walk through, so settled for a close up of the GE90 and landing gear G
206 IndianicWorld : Will all depend I guess on future strategy. Will be interesting to see what occurs.
207 ZK-NBT : Yep! Well LAN are planning on having the 787 on SCL-MAD-FRA by years end which will free up A343 capacity which could be used for additional AKL flig
208 aerorobnz : They are more stable since CC-CQG arrived, but when it was just 4 aircraft in their fleet they were as bad as AR for ontime performance and for keepi
209 Post contains links cchan : Thank you for your contributions. Please continue the discussion in New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113 (by cchan Apr 1 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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