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Ryanair Forced To Cancel Budapest Flights  
User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5140 posts, RR: 12
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19585 times:

Ryanair is forced to xxl 13 flights the next two weeks because suddenly the Hungarian borderpolice demand the crew to pass customs on their 25min turnarounds if the flight originates in the UK or Ireland.

I think this is another stunning idiotic decision by our President as this current Hungarian government is trying to get as much isolated as possible from the EU.

There is not a single other airport in Europe where this is nescesary, its just not needed.


Quote from the Ryanair website:

http://www.ryanair.com/hu/news/budapest-flight-cancelations-3-16-mar


RYANAIR TO CANCEL 13 BUDAPEST FLIGHTS OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, AS BUDAPEST BORDER CONTROL REFUSE PERMISSION FOR FLIGHTS TO DEPART

Ryanair, Hungary’s favourite airline, today (Fri 2nd Mar) announced that it would cancel 13 return flights to/from Budapest over the next two weeks (see below), as the Border Control Police at Budapest Airport insist that some Ryanair pilots and cabin crew get off the aircraft and clear through immigration on 25 minute turnarounds, despite the fact that these crews live and work in Budapest. There is no EU requirement for such immigration clearance for pilots and cabin crew on turnaround and this stupid procedure is not required or implemented at any of Ryanair’s 170 other EU airports

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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1688 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19566 times:

Probably the government is looking to (re)-start a national airline and they don't want FR to increase too much at BUD. How to prevent this....Make flying impossible from a practical side. This is just politics....nothing more, nothing less
Honestly.....I find it rather funny and very very inventive 



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User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5140 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19500 times:

Quoting DALCE (Reply 1):
Probably the government is looking to (re)-start a national airline

Its 2012, why would an EU government wants to start its own airline? I though governments would have learned by now that they should stick to ruling a country instead of running an airline.


User currently offlinerichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19449 times:

Are they just doing this to ryanair and not easyJet or BA?

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19229 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19417 times:

What a weird development!

Quoting richardw (Reply 3):

Are they just doing this to ryanair and not easyJet or BA?

Indeed.



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1688 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19420 times:

I fully agree that it is complete BullS**t. In these days it is rather unheard for such ideas and moves in Good Ol' Europe.
But still I think the governments of some mainly eastern-european countries still might think slightly different.
Basicallly I agree on most if not all your points, but still I'm having a good laugh about it, mainly because it is FR 
I wonder if the government would do the same for other UK airlines. Probably not......



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User currently offline777klm From China, joined Apr 2005, 530 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19350 times:

Does this same rule apply to the crew of other airlines -such as BA, U2 and EI- if they're on a turnaround? Do they comply to this rule?
Edit: Question already asked.

[Edited 2012-03-05 08:37:22]


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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2640 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19291 times:
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Well, I think this has more to do with the relationship between Ryanair and Hungary rather than the Hungarian government trying to re-start their own airline. If they were so keen on re-launching a national carrier then they would have sabotaged Wizz Air as well. Let us not forget under what circumstances Ryanair returned to Budapest and how much they are paying.
Not to mention Ryanair's arrogance of selling tickets before the Hungarians agreed to give in to their demands. This is just the Hungarian border police bullying Ryanair. I see nothing wrong with it, especially not since it's a tactic used by Ryanair.


User currently offlinerichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19227 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 7):
This is just the Hungarian border police bullying Ryanair

What is their long term gain? or is it just short term?


User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2640 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19123 times:
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Quoting richardw (Reply 8):
What is their long term gain? or is it just short term?

I guess that the initial shock of Malev's demise is gone and that the airport has overcome the initial challenges. Meaning that now they do not need to be bullied by Ryanair and to give them the extremly low charges at the airport.
Airlines have added capacity and frequencies to Budapest to compensate for what was lost.

Budapest airport was reluctant to accepted the terms Ryanair offered. My guess is that Hungary has little to lose if Ryanair is to withdraw from the airport. After all, it would not be their first time, if the airport survived in 2010 then I do not see a reason why it wouldn't in 2012.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9638 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18659 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4):
Quoting richardw (Reply 3):

Are they just doing this to ryanair and not easyJet or BA?

Indeed.

If I understand it correctly, the reason why it only applies to Ryanair is that they have Budapest based crews. The same requirement existed for Malev crews if they did a turn through Budapest from a non schengen country.

Ryanair can simply use crews not based in Budapest for flights to non schengen countries if they are turning around and not swapping out crews in Budapest. Ryanair can easily work around the problem, but they choose to be vocal and cry foul. I understand disagreeing with the policy, but I don't think canceling flights is a fair protest.

Ryanair arbitrarily decided to stop complying to the procedure. Regardless of how unusual it is, I think it makes sense that their flights were denied permission to depart.



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User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5140 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18659 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 7):
This is just the Hungarian border police bullying Ryanair. I see nothing wrong with it, especially not since it's a tactic used by Ryanair.

What a load of ....... . What business the airport does with Ryanair has nothing to do with the government. Its business with business, and if the FR tactics worked its good for FR, and for the passengers.

Please leave your FR bashing out of this discussion.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 9):
My guess is that Hungary has little to lose if Ryanair is to withdraw from the airport.

Wrong again, Hunagry has finally access to tickets which are affordable for a large group of people who could never ever afford Malev.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 9):
Airlines have added capacity and frequencies to Budapest to compensate for what was lost.

Wrong here too. Nobody has added flights to MAD, AMS etc.. besides that FR is going after a leisure market, Crete, Rhodes, Sicily etc etc.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 10):
Regardless of how unusual it is, I think it makes sense that their flights were denied permission to depart.

Why? The crew would spend 25 minutes on the tarmac before departing again. Why get checked? Do that in the beginning and at the end of their shift when they have to pass customs anyway.

And indeed, why not Wizzair too? They are based in BUD too.

[Edited 2012-03-05 11:57:39 by srbmod]

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9638 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18522 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 12):

Why? The crew would spend 25 minutes on the tarmac before departing again. Why get checked? Do that in the beginning and at the end of their shift when they have to pass customs anyway.

And indeed, why not Wizzair too? They are based in BUD too.

I am not arguing about whether it is a reasonable requirement or not. I am just stating that I am glad that the flights were not allowed to depart. A company should not be permitted to just violate a regulation that they do not agree with. Ryanair just stopped compliance effective March 1st. Before that they did comply. In an effort to save money, they violated a regulation. That is not a good thing in my mind at all.



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User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18439 times:

Quoting DALCE (Reply 1):
Probably the government is looking to (re)-start a national airline and they don't want FR to increase too much at BUD

Probably not relaunching a national airline, but a bit of a protectionistic move in favour of Wizz Air who is in direct competition with Ryanair. Personally I have no problems with Ryanair getting harassed a bit as that is what they do to everybody else if they can get away with it.



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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2640 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18335 times:
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Quoting kl911 (Reply 11):
What a load of ....... . What business the airport does with Ryanair has nothing to do with the government. Its business with business, and if the FR tactics worked its good for FR, and for the passengers.

Please leave your FR bashing out of this discussion.

It's not Ryanair bashing, it seems to me that it's rather your blind support for Ryanair that is the problem here. Border police is usually provided by the police of the country or the army.
I am not sure if there are cases where this is granted to a private company, but as far as I remember Budapest airport has a proper police force, provided by the Hungarian government.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 11):
Wrong again, Hunagry has finally access to tickets which are affordable for a large group of people who could never ever afford Malev.

Blind support again, cheap tickets were available even before as Wizz Air and other low cost airlines operated from Budapest airport.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 11):
Wrong here too. Nobody has added flights to MAD, AMS etc.. besides that FR is going after a leisure market, Crete, Rhodes, Sicily etc etc.

Could you please concentrate on what I wrote, I wrote that airlines have added capacity (and flights) to compensate. I did not state that every single route Malev operated was launched. Your post about Amsterdam is pointless since in my sentance I have included the word ''capacity'', which means additional seats on the route, not flights.


Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 14):
Probably not relaunching a national airline, but a bit of a protectionistic move in favour of Wizz Air who is in direct competition with Ryanair. Personally I have no problems with Ryanair getting harassed a bit as that is what they do to everybody else if they can get away with it.

It will be interesting to see with the complaint Ryanair placed with the European Commission related to an issue with Wizz Air's ownership.

[Edited 2012-03-05 11:59:38 by srbmod]

User currently offlinePezySPU From Croatia, joined Dec 2011, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18225 times:

So, this only applies to flights from Ireland and the UK. What's the big deal? It's not like FR only flies there...

Quoting DALCE (Reply 1):
Probably the government is looking to (re)-start a national airline and they don't want FR to increase too much at BUD.

By making them cancel 13 flights? Flights, not routes...

Quoting kl911 (Thread starter):
Ryanair, Hungary’s favourite airline
Quoting kl911 (Thread starter):
this stupid procedure

You got to love them  Big grin

[Edited 2012-03-05 10:59:45]

User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5140 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18140 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 15):
Your post about Amsterdam is pointless since in my sentance I have included the word ''capacity'', which means additional seats on the route, not flights.

Neither KLM nor Iberia added capacity to BUD.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9638 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18117 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 14):
Probably not relaunching a national airline, but a bit of a protectionistic move in favour of Wizz Air who is in direct competition with Ryanair. Personally I have no problems with Ryanair getting harassed a bit as that is what they do to everybody else if they can get away with it.

I don't see why it is favoritism. If anything it is favoritism for airlines that don't have crews based in Budapest, since they don't have to comply (why any country would try to push an airline from having crews based in its own country is completely nonsensical to me). Wizz Air has to do the same as Ryanair.



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User currently offlineju068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2640 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18045 times:
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Quoting kl911 (Reply 18):
Neither KLM nor Iberia added capacity to BUD.

Once again, read what I wrote, I did not specify which airlines nor which route saw an increase. I just said that there was an overall increase of flights and frequencies at the airport. You were the one to use Madrid and Amsterdam as examples, though I do not know if KLM is sending bigger aircraft I can say that you are wrong about Madrid since Wizz Air is adding additional 5 weekly flights.
You are presenting things as if Ryanair is the next best thing to happen to Budapest airport.


User currently offlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5140 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17379 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 20):
You are presenting things as if Ryanair is the next best thing to happen to Budapest airport.

No im not. Ryanair is the best thing to happen to a huge part of the Hungarian population who can now finally go on holiday abroad.  


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16887 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 21):
Ryanair is the best thing to happen to a huge part of the Hungarian population who can now finally go on holiday abroad.

It is on people like you, that believe Ryanair is always the cheapest option, that FR makes profits every year. When you add all the extra charges that FR have, they do not come out much cheaper than other carriers.



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User currently offlineozzietukker From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16717 times:

Ryanair might have some strong opinions.

But in this case Ryanair is fully in its right not to let their cabin crew undergo such stupid timeconsuming procedure.
The crew is not actually arriving in Hungary, but just staying on the plane for the next flight and thus not passing Hungarian borders. It would ofcourse be different if one crew member want to go inside the terminal for any reason, then normal immigration laws apply.

I am not saying Ryanair should ignore rules, and it is good that they were not allowed to depart since they knew those regulations where in place, the bigger question is why the Hungarian Authorities want these regulations in place, the procedure for not having to clear the crew to immigration at other airports is so the airline and crew not have to bother with immigration laws, otherwise you an airline would be restricted of the crew they can use on flights.


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16675 times:

Quoting DALCE (Reply 5):

Does this same rule apply to the crew of other airlines -such as BA, U2 and EI- if they're on a turnaround? Do they comply to this rule?
Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 10):
If I understand it correctly, the reason why it only applies to Ryanair is that they have Budapest based crews. The same requirement existed for Malev crews if they did a turn through Budapest from a non schengen country.

It looks like it has to do with the following:

- When a crew flies (for example) BUD-STN-BUD-SKG-BUD, they leave the Schengen zone for the STN flight, and re-enter the Schengen zone for the SKG flight. I can see a (theoretical) reason why the border police wants to check pilots who left the Schengen zone; when they re-enter the Schengen zone they could theoretically have added a non-visa carrying pilot from Ireland. I can also understand that for practical reasons, the EU has made regulations that allow pilots to fly their segments without passing border control all the time.

- When BA, U2 or EI crew fly to BUD and back, they won't enter Schengen anyhow so they can return.

- W6 probably faces the same problem. But for example, they fly a route BUD-LTN-BUD-LTN-BUD, and then they don't need to check in the turnaround because they stay in the non-Schengen zone.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 7):
Let us not forget under what circumstances Ryanair returned to Budapest and how much they are paying.

Aren't they paying exactly the same as W6? Besides that, at least they are paying. Unlike MA.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 7):
This is just the Hungarian border police bullying Ryanair. I see nothing wrong with it, especially not since it's a tactic used by Ryanair.

Governments purposely 'bullying' private enterprises is disastrous for any free market economy. If companies don't obey the law, sue them in court for an independent judge. Don't bully. It's extremely bad for the reputation of a country.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 9):
My guess is that Hungary has little to lose if Ryanair is to withdraw from the airport. After all, it would not be their first time, if the airport survived in 2010 then I do not see a reason why it wouldn't in 2012.

In 2010 there was still Malev and they cancelled 4 routes. Now there is no Malev. The airport is in a very bad position, having just fired hundreds of people following MA's demise. FR withdrawing would be a disaster. It would also give W6 a unique bargaining position towards the airport, which is even worse for the airport.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 10):
Ryanair can simply use crews not based in Budapest for flights to non schengen countries if they are turning around and not swapping out crews in Budapest. Ryanair can easily work around the problem, but they choose to be vocal and cry foul.

Now, when they would start using crews from other countries than Hungary, who is actually losing? Indeed, the Hungarian employees.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19229 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16515 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 20):
When you add all the extra charges that FR have, they do not come out much cheaper than other carriers.

Per FR's 2011 annual report, its average revenue per passenger - including fare and all ancillaries - was €50.37. This was achieved by dividing its total revenue (scheduled and ancillary) of €3,629,500,000 by its total passengers of 72,062,659. In comparison, EZY's avergae fare in its 2011 FY - including fare and all ancillaries - was £63.34 (about €75) calculated by dividing total revenue (£3,452,000,000 divided by total passengers (54,500,000). So, EZY's average all-in to-pay amount was about 50% higher than FR's.

[Edited 2012-03-05 12:21:31]


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User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16468 times:

Ok, let's put things into perspective here. There is no bullying going on here, and (I know it is hard to believe) no political motive behind this...just the usual FR making up their own rules, and spitting and whining when finally someone comes along and forces them to comply with EU-Schengen (and not Hungarian) legislation.

The problem here is that authorities at BUD simply monitor the flights coming in and out of BUD and when a plane is flying a V route (something like MAN-BUD-FKB-BUD-MAN) where one leg is within the Schengen zone while the other is not, legislation demand the crew to pass border control at the point of entry into Schengen zone (which in this case is BUD airport) since they are going to fly an intra-Schengen route. It is very logical and the only thing that can be blamed on the Hungarian Border Police is that they are not willing to go to each and every plane on the tarmac and carry out the paperwork on board the FR planes. It is only these cases that are not to the taste of FR, but these routines are obligatory for every crew doing such routes, no matter if it is W6, FR or anyone else...and it was obligatory for MA crews too, and it is obligatory not just at BUD airport. The process might differ, but the rules are the same.

added:

Quoting joost (Reply 22):
It looks like it has to do with the following

It seems you where faster than me, but very well put joost, finally someone who actually understands the issue before claiming BS on everything  checkmark 

[Edited 2012-03-05 12:25:02]


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25 Post contains images kl911 : Trust me, I dont need to pay extra charges. Just carry on luggage and go. so a 25 euro return ticket is really only 31 euro for me, incl creditcard c
26 B747forever : And by how much has this fare increased for the last few years?
27 kl911 : ?? Its about 2011, just 2 months ago...
28 Pe@rson : You could of course go and do it yourself! It increased from just over €44-odd (I forget the exact figure) in 2010, although its passenger volume s
29 Post contains images Revelation : Seems some spin is being applied, methinks... I won't be crying for Ryanair, meself...
30 aerokiwi : But they don't actually enter any zone if you stay airside at the terminal and don't pass through immigration, right? So in actual fact, aren't the f
31 RussianJet : Indeed. Just got a return to Finland from the UK for about fifty pounds all in. I defy anybody to find a fare that cheap on using another carrier. Th
32 SonomaFlyer : No matter whether the crew left the "zone," if they are doing a 25 min turn around to go right back out of BUD (especially staying on the a/c), what i
33 UALWN : What happens in the US to a pilot flying, say, MEX - IAH - DFW? Does he have to go through customs and immigration at IAH? If so, it would be the sam
34 SonomaFlyer : I am certainly no fan of RyanAir as a business model but BUD/Hungary is in the wrong on this one. I don't think a US-Mexico comparison that is an apt
35 AWACSooner : While I think this is stupidity on the part of the govt, I can't help but laugh because FR is finally on the receiving end of the bullying they've bee
36 SonomaFlyer : I can't argue with that but this decision could go far beyond FR to other airlines which could serve BUD.
37 UALWN : Why not? There's a border between the UK and Hungary, while there's no border between Hungary and, say, Germany, just as there is a border between Me
38 lightsaber : That was my thought. We'll make flights difficult if you employ our people?!? This just seems silly. Lightsaber
39 RyanairGuru : But whether the additional crew member is a British or Irish citizen, or a British or Irish visa holder, is surely irrelevant? They still have the ri
40 Checo77 : Congrats to the Hungarian government!! Finally somebody stood up to that arogant airline! Hopefully this will make them realize they are not the ones
41 panais : This has all the signs of extortion tactics on behalf of the Border Control Police. Nothing can be clearer. Someone is asking money to make Ryanair's
42 ju068 : What do you mean unlike Malev? Malev contributed to roughly 40% of the total income of the airport. I guess that they are not paying the same thing b
43 PEET7G : Ok let me explain this, so maybe it will clear things up. EU is not the same as the Schengen Union. Within the EU borders still exist, while the whol
44 Post contains images planesmith : Ryanair is NOT a UK airline - it belongs to Ireland. I think the expression is "They've been O'Learied"
45 Post contains images LOWS : They have trains, and many fine leisure destinations, within a few hours. I can hardly feel sorry for FR. Getting a taste of their own medicine.
46 usdcaguy : Most definitely. They would need to clear customs and immigration at IAH to even reach their departure gate. Usually, all other exits are sealed off
47 cmf : No they are not. They have the right to complain about it and work to have it changed. But until it is changed their options are to comply or not go
48 WildcatYXU : Yes. Exactly. Contributed. But it doesn't anymore and 40% of BUD's revenue is gone. FR is here and it's paying. Probably less than MA, but it's bette
49 ju068 : Well, on a flight good loads do not mean good yields. So additional traffic from Ryanair doesn't necessarily mean it is generating cash for the airpo
50 Pe@rson : That has nothing to do with what FR, or any other airline, would pay the airport. Indeed, FR would pay a landing charge (normally based on MTOW) and
51 ju068 : He mentioned what Malev used to contribute to Budapest and then stated that Ryanair is at least something. To what I replied that Budapest airport wa
52 Post contains images PEET7G : No, passengers are either bussed or walk to the FR plane at BUD, but they are not coming from the same Terminal section. Schengen and non Schengen pa
53 ju068 : But did they receive these charges for a certain period for just opening their base in Budapest or...? If I am not mistaken wasn't this one of the ma
54 WildcatYXU : Oh, I see now. I didn't realize that FR is not using gates. OTOH it means that the crews basically don't need to enter the terminals and may stay on
55 PEET7G : According to my source, they are paying close to list-price, and there are certain thresholds that if they hit, then they can receive further discoun
56 Aquila3 : "Ki a kicsit nem becsuli, a nagyot nem erdemli" ? Would you mind to translate? Even with all the nice Hungarian people here in VIE (especially of the
57 ju068 : Thank you very much for the explanation! It seems that Ryanair is cancelling four destinations out of Budapest due to weak demand. These routes are:
58 Post contains images kl911 : Chania and Trapani still for sale, and I have booked for september. I can see those once a week flights be very popular.
59 LJ : Well, my colleague tend to disagree. She is traveling with a party of 40 people to BUD this Summer and they pay more for FR than they did with MA pre
60 kl911 : No, I had the 738 at least 3 times of December and mid January. Cant remember now if it was the morning or evening flight. The other flight was indee
61 ozzietukker : I think it is clear what you try to explain. Yet is is perfectly allowed for the airline crew on any airline arriving in an UK Airport to stay onboar
62 magyar : More or less: Those who do not appreciate the small gain, do not deserve the big one.
63 PEET7G : I can assure you that I as a Hungarian can not operate a flight from BUD to LHR then have passengers loaded for MAN and operate the LHR-MAN sector as
64 WildcatYXU : Well, then why can't a H based crew do H-GB-H run (without leaving the plane) and then fly the next sector from BUD to any Schengen destination witho
65 prebennorholm : When a planes enters the Schengen region (e.g. BUD) and continues on an intra Schengen flight, then it is the duty of the passport police to check th
66 RyanairGuru : That is, in a nutshell, FR's argument. Yes. Except in IROPS FR never o/n away from base. True. But nowhere has it been suggested that FR are operatin
67 Post contains images PEET7G : I pretty much agree with your post, actually that is why I wrote that FR needs to work together with the airport authorities to work out these proces
68 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Despite being an FR admirer since way back when (hence the user name ) I cannot disagree with anything you've written. Re-thinking about my own post
69 Post contains images Pe@rson : I would do the same: it would provide good amounts of free publicity in that marketplace and thereby increase its awareness. While it is certainly no
70 kl911 : True, even this discussion on the forum generates publicity when you take into account the three million page views from 200,000 individuals daily as
71 VV701 : Neither have BA offered additional capacity between LHR and BUD. In the first 6 days of November 2011 they offered 3,888 seats - 24 flights all on a
72 Pe@rson : From FR's 2010 Annual Report, it states that its average sector "is less than 1,500km" (stated in reference to a legal obligation, hence the imprecis
73 Revelation : Indeed, that's the strategy, but is it being effective? Is losing two weeks worth of revenue and losing some local goodwill from both officials and p
74 kl911 : Yes, an example would be TFN - BLL which would be 2250 Miles, or 1970 NM . Btw, Fuerteventura is no base yet.
75 Pe@rson : Indeed. I couldn't remember if it was or not and the computer in the university library did not have whatever is required to use its route map, which
76 N1120A : This is a good point. Its about having BUD-based crews. FR wanted to pay cheaper wages by basing in BUD, so they need to deal with this. Why would an
77 kl911 : Please update your info my friend. Those days are partly behind us. Ryanair nowadays gets me from Budapest airport to for example Rome, Dublin, Manch
78 Post contains images RyanairGuru : They don't, but a non-EU citizen working in Ireland under an Irish work visa would need to satisfy Hungary's immigration requirements. And a few such
79 kl911 : Ok, Ryanair reached an agreement with the borderpolice. All flights will be reinstated as of 17 March. Makes me wonder why they dont reinstate them im
80 LJ : Transavia just announced 4 weekly AMS-BUD flights... KLM, Ryanair, Wizz and Transavia ll serving the Budapest - The Netherlands market... we now have
81 Post contains images kl911 : Yes, I posted that yesterday on the Budapest routes update thread. Obviously the Transavia management read my post and decided to start BUD immediate
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