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American 777-300ER Updates?  
User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2448 posts, RR: 23
Posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 20434 times:

Hello All:

Sorry If this is mentioned elsewhere, but I'd like to know when or if Boeing started building the first AA 777-300ER yet, and what the delivery date is.


ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
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User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2298 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 20401 times:

First delivery isn't scheduled until November. What's the build time of a 77W?


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User currently offlinebpat777 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 19881 times:

That's going to be one clean and mean shiny bird. I can't wait to see it flying around.

User currently onlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 857 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19794 times:

With that 3-5-3, 31" seat pitch, 4 lav economy cabin it will be anything but a "LuxuryLiner."

User currently offlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4518 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19743 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 3):
With that 3-5-3, 31" seat pitch, 4 lav economy cabin it will be anything but a "LuxuryLiner."

Give me a break. No airline in the world has 3-5-3 on a 777. It'll be 3-4-3 just like EK and others.



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User currently offlineripcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19718 times:

Nothing offical is out of the cabin lay outs.....Just another hater

User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5828 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19721 times:

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 4):
Give me a break. No airline in the world has 3-5-3 on a 777. It'll be 3-4-3 just like EK and others.

Ah, another airlines B77W to avoid!

Gemuser



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User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1029 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19505 times:

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 5):
Nothing offical is out of the cabin lay outs.....Just another hater

It has been, check their facebook page. Hate is a very harsh word to use my friend..
Its 3-4-3 on their Y. And its not even 32-34 inches like EK where you might get a little relief.



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User currently offlineripcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 19445 times:

Again There is nothing Offical From AA on FB or anywhere else there is a lot speculation from FB posts that is it..Again Nothing Offical so until you can see the seat map on AA.com you should old off comments.

User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 3020 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 19344 times:

Quoting gemuser (Reply 6):
Ah, another airlines B77W to avoid!

In my experience, AA is an airline to avoid anyway   

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 7):
It has been, check their facebook page.

What I saw on their fb page was 2-5-2... Just as easily possible...


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 19275 times:

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 7):
Its 3-4-3 on their Y.

With the AA/BA revenue-sharing joint venture on the Atlantic and similar AA/JL joint venture on the Pacific, it seems strange that AA wouldn't want to align their product with BA and JL which are both 3-3-3 on 777s (excluding JL's high-density aircraft used on domestic routes).


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 19174 times:

Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 7):
Quoting ripcordd (Reply 5):
Nothing offical is out of the cabin lay outs.....Just another hater

It has been, check their facebook page. Hate is a very harsh word to use my friend..
Its 3-4-3 on their Y. And its not even 32-34 inches like EK where you might get a little relief.

Which was never supposed to be posted in the first place - and AA temporarily took the pictures down, but the damage had already been done.

While 3-4-3 is very possible, no cofiguration has been settled upon. About the only thing guaranteed is that F will have eight seats.



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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2401 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 19130 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 3):
With that 3-5-3, 31" seat pitch, 4 lav economy cabin it will be anything but a "LuxuryLiner."
Quoting jayeshrulz (Reply 7):
It has been, check their facebook page. Hate is a very harsh word to use my friend..
Its 3-4-3 on their Y. And its not even 32-34 inches like EK where you might get a little relief.

There's nothing ANYWHERE that officially states any of these statements. We might see 3-4-3, but that's not even concrete. And where did you get that they'll have 4 lavs?

Sometimes I wonder...  



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User currently offlinetotesen From Mexico, joined Dec 2008, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 18997 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 9):
In my experience, AA is an airline to avoid anyway   

Agreed haha. flying AA Has been way worse than any other experience on any US carrier, and needless to say that us carriers are quite bad in their service



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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 18572 times:

Haven't heard anything. I'm still admiring the pictures AA posted. The F and C cabins look pretty nice. Good tones and trim looks decent for a 3*. The bar looks teeny, but it's a nudge in the right direction. As far as the 3x4x3 Y, oh well... it's not like it's unheard of... and it might not even be config'd that way.

Can't wait to see this super-long shiny tube take off!

Quoting questions (Reply 3):
"LuxuryLiner."

You're right, it won't be because for about a decade no American plane has carried the "LuxuryLiner" title.   



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User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 17776 times:

Surely they will not go 10 across in Y??!! They should be consistant with what BA at least have onver the pond and lets not forget those two countries have a few larger people can I say politely. I am sure it will be 3-3-3 when details are realeased. I Hope!   

User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8201 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 16534 times:

It will be 2-5-2, no question of it.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
it seems strange that AA wouldn't want to align their product with BA and JL which are both 3-3-3

No, it seems strange that AA wouldn't want to align their product with the 47 Boeing 777s they already have! Anyway it's not in question. 2-5-2 is what it'll be.



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User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 674 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 16475 times:

Quoting ripcordd (Reply 8):
Again There is nothing Offical From AA on FB or anywhere else there is a lot speculation from FB posts that is it..Again Nothing Offical so until you can see the seat map on AA.com you should old off comments.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
While 3-4-3 is very possible, no cofiguration has been settled upon. About the only thing guaranteed is that F will have eight seats.
Quoting ual777uk (Reply 15):
Surely they will not go 10 across in Y??!! They should be consistant with what BA at least have onver the pond and lets not forget those two countries have a few larger people can I say politely. I am sure it will be 3-3-3 when details are realeased


I find it somewhat hard to believe AA would go 3-3-3 on 772s but 3-4-3 on the new 'flagship' 773s. I suppose we will see what happens, but for an airline that just brought back its 'more room in coach' program, stuffing 3-4-3 on the 777s seems a stretch.


User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 16308 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
While 3-4-3 is very possible, no cofiguration has been settled upon

With deliveries scheduled this year shouldn't orders for seats have been placed by now?


User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1670 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 16256 times:

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 17):
I find it somewhat hard to believe AA would go 3-3-3 on 772s but 3-4-3 on the new 'flagship' 773s.

Why? KL has (unfortunatly) done exactly that...



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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1670 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 16257 times:

Quoting bpat777 (Reply 2):
That's going to be one clean and mean shiny bird. I can't wait to see it flying around.

Indeed!!!   Airliner porn in my book



Live From Amsterdam!
User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1029 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15648 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 12):
There's nothing ANYWHERE that officially states any of these statements. We might see 3-4-3, but that's not even concrete. And where did you get that they'll have 4 lavs?
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
Which was never supposed to be posted in the first place - and AA temporarily took the pictures down, but the damage had already been done.

While 3-4-3 is very possible, no cofiguration has been settled upon. About the only thing guaranteed is that F will have eight seats.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
With the AA/BA revenue-sharing joint venture on the Atlantic and similar AA/JL joint venture on the Pacific, it seems strange that AA wouldn't want to align their product with BA and JL which are both 3-3-3 on 777s (excluding JL's high-density aircraft used on domestic routes).

Well, from what they had posted in FB, it was 3-4-3. I dint know they had taken down. But can assure that that one could clearly see 3-4-3.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2374 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15570 times:

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 17):
I find it somewhat hard to believe AA would go 3-3-3 on 772s but 3-4-3 on the new 'flagship' 773s. I suppose we will see what happens, but for an airline that just brought back its 'more room in coach' program, stuffing 3-4-3 on the 777s seems a stretch.

AA is just introducing an premium economy section with extra leg room a la UA's Economy Plus or DL's Economy Comfort. It is not throughout coach as MRTC was and has no bearing on what the comfort (or lack thereof) of AA's economy class will be, other than making sure it is less comfortable.


User currently offlineMAV88 From United States of America, joined May 2011, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15492 times:

Aside from the seat configuration talk, where will AA be deploying these birds?

User currently offlinesuperjeff From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15327 times:
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Quoting MAV88 (Reply 23):

Initial routes are JFK-LHR and JFK-SAO


25 PRAirbus : DFW-GRU and DFW-LHR are supposed to be AA's first B773ER's routes.
26 LAXdude1023 : No. DFW-GRU is the first route.
27 Roseflyer : With deliveries set this year, yes the configuration has been established so well informed insiders know, however I believe he is implying only those
28 sxf24 : The seats have certainly been ordered and the configuration is set, otherwise the plane will not be delivered in November (or delivered without seats
29 gulfstream650 : Correct. Was originally LHR but will now be GRU - sadly.
30 LAXdude1023 : And you know this how?
31 Post contains links and images divemaster08 : If this is the photo your talking about then I don't see how this assumption has come about. [/URL] Yes it shows at least 4 seats in the middle, but
32 ckfred : Everyone person has his or her least favorite airline, although I know a fair number of people who hate flying US. For me, it's UA. I had such a bad
33 Post contains links rotating14 : Start to finish its about 83 days. http://www.airlinereporter.com/2012/...oes-it-take-to-build-a-boeing-777/
34 AAIL86 : If you have proof, produce the goods! The pictures themselves do not prove anything... as they are of a mock up at the manufacturer.... could be 3-4-
35 777STL : You have no more idea that it'll be 2-5-2 than those who claim it'll be 3-4-3. Which really means nothing, who's to say the existing 772s won't be re
36 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : Youre telling a guy who spent over a decade at AA that he doesnt understand? Yeah right. This stuff isnt worth arguing over. The truth is that no one
37 Viscount724 : However the aisle appears very narrow, exactly like a 10-abreast 777. AA wouldn't want even a mockup photo to make the cabin appear worse than it's g
38 ATL : Dude, look at the second middle row from the front of the aircraft/picture. Now, look in between the 3rd and 4th seat from the right of the third mid
39 ripcordd : The rear of the 777 is 2-4-2 keep that in mind
40 GSPSPOT : FWIW, I'd prefer there to be at least one side in Economy with "2" seating. I usually travel with my significant other, and that's how I prefer to tra
41 usxguy : And from a marketing perspective, if AA was going with its standard 777 configuration, they would have said so by now. AA would have made a statement
42 SonomaFlyer : Bet cash that it will be 3-4-3. Although AA would never come out and say it, they are effectively saying, "if you want more room, upgrade or fly a dif
43 klkla : I have no idea whether it will be 3-4-3 or not but from the picture I would say 2-5-2. If you look at the second row of seats at the very top left ha
44 YULWinterSkies : "Product consistency" did not stop AF, KL, and soon AZ to go 3-4-3 on their 777s and DL to stick to 3-3-3 on theirs so far (although they do not seem
45 ripcordd : usax they have not stated what the 319/321/787 will seat yet either.....again when they post you can say what it will be. Maybe they will go 10 across
46 ATL : Right. But that seat is not aligned with the the other 4 of the second row properly. Make a mental line across the second row and you'll see that thi
47 usxguy : they also haven't produced images of these planes interiors and THEN completely redo them. So why, oh why, would an airline take the photo (above) an
48 MAH4546 : Get used to it. Fuel is getting more expensive and people aren't willing to pay more to fly. It's only a matter of time before 3x4x3 becomes the norm
49 DL_Mech : Look how skinny those armrests are.......I say 3-4-3.
50 LDVAviation : Two solutions to the problem: 1) Americans can lose weight. 2) Americans can purchase a Business Class Seat.
51 einsteinboricua : Or: 3. Avoid the airline altogether.
52 LDVAviation : So be it. But consumers who are price-sensitive rarely have that choice (in the absolute).
53 AAIL86 : Given that this is true- shouldn't the model be: Bare-bones, cramped Y with minimal fuss for absolute lowest fare ; comfortable premium economy with
54 questions : What are the cabin widths of the 747, 777, 787, 330/340?
55 ual777uk : On routes where AA will fly the 77W they probably will have a choice of another carrier at similar prices unless AA go the route of bucket shop. What
56 qf002 : I didn't realise that passengers were leaving EK, EY, AF, KL, NZ etc in droves. Aren't some of these among the most successful and strongest airlines
57 rwsea : AF has a lot bigger problems than 10-abreast on the 773, but it is certainly NOT amongst the most successful and strongest airlines at the moment. KL
58 mogandoCI : That 10-Y was distinctly painful on my 7 hour quick hop from JFK to CDG... can't imagine doing it for 13+ hours. That experience has alone has remind
59 LAXdude1023 : Isnt all this 10-Y talk a bit premature? There have been no confirmations of seating configuration, yet this board is blowing up with the rumors.
60 usxguy : ... because some of us know people at AA who *do know*.... however its too late. I am part of the crowd that will actively book away from AA's 777.
61 aacun : Very interesting to hear that people will stay away from booking an AA 777 beacuse of a 3 4 3 configuration. People, this is reality. Airlines cannot
62 777STL : Unfortunately, I agree with you, and that's why AA and other airlines continue this race to the bottom. Most people either don't know enough to avoid
63 usxguy : ... but the fact is some of us DO notice and DO pay more. I'm paying for first class on Alaska Airlines fairly soon because its a longer flight and th
64 Roseflyer : For the 5% that care, there's a new premium economy that is speculated to be at 3-3-3. For the 95% of economy passengers booking on price alone, then
65 mogandoCI : That's the most uncompetitive premium economy i've heard of : 3-3-3 3-3-3 is industry standard Y and now AA calls it W all of a sudden it's "somethin
66 usxguy : And that is the purpose of most of this thread.... AA marketing is doing its best to SPIN this airplane... up front looks marvelous - lets give them
67 MAH4546 : It is not premium economy! It is an extra legroom section that will be free for elites. Seems the purpose of this thread is more about spreading misi
68 mogandoCI : And you have concrete verified info that it's *not* 3-4-3 ?
69 MAH4546 : The only thing known so far is that it's 8F.
70 mogandoCI : Actually we also know it's 1-2-1 J, but not everyone is the 1% that affords F/J. We care about Y too.
71 LDVAviation : Believe me, if AA had made the decision to install its current business class product on these planes, or even a true lie-flat without full aisle acc
72 mogandoCI : AA's new first is on par with UA, and far behind SQ or EK. AA's new business is the last among the big 3 legacies to be flat bed. That's hardly "trum
73 AAIL86 : Those are all aircraft that most of us would consider to have a sub-par hard product... yet people still pay to fly them all the time.... Good point.
74 LDVAviation : AA's new first is a true suite, meaning the seat is independent of the shell enclosure, just what one would expect in a true international F product.
75 AABB777 : Upfront can also be attributed to higher revenue for AA and a higher ATV. Upfront customers - F & J - are also more product-sensitive & brand
76 qf002 : 5-6 airlines, who operate what, 25-30% of all 777's across the world between them? By the time you add in the few others, UU, NH (domestic) etc, you'
77 mogandoCI : And have you noticed EK's service and customer reputation has dropped off a bit? At least NZ was innovative enough to come up with the 3-seat economy
78 ripcordd : Well AA just broke out that Y+ in the 777-300 will 3-5-3 and Reg Coach will 3-6-3 and Sub Par coach will be 4-7-4 in all standing room only section. W
79 LOWS : And just when I was hoping they'd go with those saddle seat things with 20" at 6-6-6 across.
80 MAH4546 : For one, a superior mileage redemption and elite program that actually allows people to redeem miles on popular flights and doesn't restrict upgrade
81 SXDFC : Does anyone know the registrations of the first 77Ws?
82 usxguy : so a little e-mail from a pal in mgt at American is saying that it looks like they are reshuffling the configuration of the airplane, so it sounds lik
83 NZ1 : Hi Everyone, Please kindly remember to keep on topic. Also try to respect that others do have differing opinions, all of which are welcome provided th
84 AAplat4life : AA's issue is not whether it can get away with more coach seats per row based on EK and AF has done, but whether it can do this based on UA and DL. AA
85 RobK : WE301 N717AN 31543 WE302 N718AN 41665
86 airbazar : There are a couple of things that the AA chearleaders are missing completely. That is the impact that a bad experience can have for the rest of the ne
87 Post contains images klkla : LOL But on a serious subject has AA announced what the total seat count will be on the 773?
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